Below are a list of certain things that people in comics have been known to control/manipulate, but instead of throwing in certain characters, lets just this: -everybody is exactly the same, except for what they manipulate -everybody has complete mastery over the thing they manipulate
Ok here are the things that are maniupulated: -Metal -Water (Ice is also part of this) -electricity -earth -air -fire
Any questions, just ask.....I'm not sure who would win, so I'm letting you decide for me. BTW sorry for the spelling error in the topic title.
"My first reaction was metal, but now I'm thinking electricity, since that can be used to manipulate metal to a degree. "
Are you sure, I've never heard of that? Anyways this is how I look at it. Metal is one of the strongest because it has no real weakness, but yet if you were stranded somewhere in a desert lets say, the only thing you could do would be to fly away unless there is metal in the desert. Water and ice are also very effective, its real only weakness being extreme heat which would make it melt of evaporate on contact. Electricity is similar to fire, both very powerful and destructive but is shorted out and put out by water. Earth on the other hand has no super huge weaknesses but no real positives either that makes me want to jump at it. Air is probably the strongest seing as it also has no weakness and is very powerful and its everywhere on Earth.
Well, it really depends where the fight is taking place. The Metal and Electric manipulators are three kinds of screwed if this is in the middle of a forest, and vice versa if it is in the city.
But I would say the air manipulator wins. All he/she has to do is stop his/her opponents from breathing by removing the oxygen from their lungs, causing the oxygen to gather in a single spot in their bloodstreams and thus cause a heart attack or stroke, or just create a vacuum in their lungs.
"Well, it really depends where the fight is taking place. The Metal and Electric manipulators are three kinds of screwed if this is in the middle of a forest, and vice versa if it is in the city. But I would say the air manipulator wins. All he/she has to do is stop his/her opponents from breathing by removing the oxygen from their lungs, causing the oxygen to gather in a single spot in their bloodstreams and thus cause a heart attack or stroke, or just create a vacuum in their lungs. "
well, that only works on individuals that rely on breathing imo, ps if you can manipulate water you've got oxygen
"Well, it really depends where the fight is taking place. The Metal and Electric manipulators are three kinds of screwed if this is in the middle of a forest, and vice versa if it is in the city. But I would say the air manipulator wins. All he/she has to do is stop his/her opponents from breathing by removing the oxygen from their lungs, causing the oxygen to gather in a single spot in their bloodstreams and thus cause a heart attack or stroke, or just create a vacuum in their lungs. "
well, that only works on individuals that rely on breathing imo, ps if you can manipulate water you've got oxygen "
Which one of them wouldn't need to rely on breathing? They are still human.
Also, by that logic the air manipulator would be able to manipulate water as well because of the presence of oxygen in it's chemical make up.
@Ferro Vida: Electricity is equally viable. You can control the electrical impulses to neurons, with minute conrol you can literally make people do what you want.
" @Ferro Vida: Electricity is equally viable. You can control the electrical impulses to neurons, with minute conrol you can literally make people do what you want. "
So would water then (control through the blood in your veins). I just think that trying to control their bodies would take more effort then it would for the air manipulator to collapse their lungs. All he would need to do is stop air from re-entering them.
a human body is 80-90 composed of water so if you control water you can also dehydrate your opponents as well everyone has a point here so i quess there is no clear winner, it just depends on what your favor
I should point out that if by metal, you mean magnetism (very different) then you can control every other element on this list. By manipulating elctrons on an atomic and sub-atomic level, which magnetism allows, ther is very little you can't do and that is only one small facet of the power.
@yodagod: Electricity and magnetism are inherently linked. Electric fields and Magnetic fields are effectively identical depending on your frame of reference. Following that train of thought, electrical manipulation is just as badass as magnetic manipulation.
@TheGuy: That's not entirely accurate. The fields are radically different and function differently. And while the example I gave would also apply to electricity, electricity lacks th pure versatility of magnetism. Earth, air, fire, water, and electricity are all fundemental elemental forces, but magnetism as one of the four fundemental forces of the universe encompasses them all. I think that is where much of the confusion lies. Since magnetism is so often linked to electricity, they are seen as interchangable when they are not.
They are the two, main elements in the body, so in tern, you could control the human body. :) and they are both very versatile. We survive on air and water after all.
"I'd say Water and Air They are the two, main elements in the body, so in tern, you could control the human body. :) and they are both very versatile. We survive on air and water after all. "
Extremely good point, but that would lead me to believe that Air is the stronest seeing as it has no weaknesses to speak of, but water can be evaporated.
Air. It exists everywhere. A person with air manipulation could take away someoones ability to breath, destroy their lungs, crush them under wind pressure.
Electricity manip is the greatest someone who has mastered that should be capable of creating Electromagnetic fields and then go on from there, Electromagnetism being one of the Fundamental forces just makes it overpowered
" @yodagod: Magnetism is not a Fundamental force of the universe, I assume you know that electromagnetism is the fundamental force. Asides, Maxwell's laws define them as inextricably linked. Magnetism at any scale is produced by a moving electric charge, you cannot deny that. "
@TheGuy: Actually it's Einstien's theory of special relativity that links them into electromagnetism, and then only peripherally through Maxwell's equations which state that Magnetism can produce an electric field and vice versa. It is only inferred that magnetism is dependent on electricity because of the polarization shown in electrons, which is actually simply an aspect of paramagnetism. There are no satisfactory proofs that magnetism is dependent on electrical fields, though it is proven that electricity requires magnetism. This is functionally the chicken-egg arguement. And based on the same logic that dictates that while the egg is only a potential chicken, the chicken is an actual chicken and since actuality precedes potentiality the chicken must have come first. The same logic insists that magnetism trumps electricity and is able to manipulate all the other elements listed here.
"they all have high importance and equal value here "
Still its not a solid answer on which one has the most advantage/least disadvantages or which one is the most practical? "
this is like the question which is more valuable: gold or soil? but, in reality, the answer is that its all relative. all these elements will have their own certain advantages or disadvantages affecting one another in certain ways. so therefore its not about which one is more practical but which one is most preferred by an individual. personally id prefer water, fire, or (any)metal/magnetism. water because of the many state that you can create ;solid liquid or gas; fire because you can disintegrate any matter; and (any)metal/magnetism durable and can create machines/ technology if one is adept in science.
@Lost_Rellik: there is no one thing that is better than othere here, as i said they all have equal value and everyone has made their valid points that are not arguable, u have used a humans as an example to manipulate these elements and there can not a clear winner in my humble opinion assuming that all people that are using these manipulation have the same power level and same common sense as well as intelligence
@vaage-aina: That would be true were electricity and magnetism not included. Among the primal elements, if they are all used to their maximum effect, they would all cancel each other. But electricity, by manipulating the elecrons themselves would be able to control the other four, then Magnetism is an even greater force which allows sub-atomic control of nearly every aspect of all the other elements.
" @yodagod: Magnetism is not a Fundamental force of the universe, I assume you know that electromagnetism is the fundamental force. Asides, Maxwell's laws define them as inextricably linked. Magnetism at any scale is produced by a moving electric charge, you cannot deny that. "
@TheGuy: Actually it's Einstien's theory of special relativity that links them into electromagnetism, and then only peripherally through Maxwell's equations which state that Magnetism can produce an electric field and vice versa. It is only inferred that magnetism is dependent on electricity because of the polarization shown in electrons, which is actually simply an aspect of paramagnetism. There are no satisfactory proofs that magnetism is dependent on electrical fields, though it is proven that electricity requires magnetism. This is functionally the chicken-egg arguement. And based on the same logic that dictates that while the egg is only a potential chicken, the chicken is an actual chicken and since actuality precedes potentiality the chicken must have come first. The same logic insists that magnetism trumps electricity and is able to manipulate all the other elements listed here. "
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