Which HST Duo can beat Vegeta ?

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#1  Edited By MudaMudaMuda

Basically, you choose two characters from Bleach/Naruto/One Piece who you think as a team could beat this Vegeta (if there are any).

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Rules :

  • Vegeta is Saiyan Saga.
  • Your two characters are at their strongest.
  • Your team gets 1 week of prep.
  • Basic knowledge for both sides
  • Vegeta is in-character
  • Your team will have perfect teamwork
  • Win by any means

Arena : (Indestructible)

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Danzo and Tobi.

Danzo respawns after Vegeta kills him and looks him in the eye, putting him to sleep. Or Tobi just remains intangible and puts Vegeta under a genjutsu from there.

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No duo from Bleach/OP can do it.

For Naruto, any duo from Kaguya/Madara/Sasuke/Naruto beat him.

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#5  Edited By MudaMudaMuda

@itachi_totsukablitz said:

No duo from Bleach/OP can do it.

For Naruto, any duo from Kaguya/Madara/Sasuke/Naruto beat him.

Both characters don't necessary have to come from the same series. For example you can choose Madara and Yamamoto or Sasuke and Law etc

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Tobi cant stay intangible for long and Vegeta could take him once his intagibility wears off.

Dont really get Genjutsu so I wont comment on that.

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@mudamudamuda:

In that case, the weakest duo that would beat him is Minato+Sugar.FGT+ Hax touch means Vegeta turns into a toy.

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Tobi cant stay intangible for long and Vegeta could take him once his intagibility wears off.

Dont really get Genjutsu so I wont comment on that.

5 minutes is plenty.

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#13  Edited By MudaMudaMuda

@mudamudamuda:

In that case, the weakest duo that would beat him is Minato+Sugar.FGT+ Hax touch means Vegeta turns into a toy.

This actually is a surprisingly good duo lol +1

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@comicstooge: Since when does Obito have Genjutsu?

He used it in his fight with Kakashi and against Yagura.

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@comicstooge: Since when does Obito have Genjutsu?

Obito is a Genjutsu specialist.

He Genjutsu'd the Kyuube inside Kushina, kept the the Hidden mist's Mizukage under Genjutsu for years, Genjutsu'd Danzo's men, Genjutsu'd Kakashi etc

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@mudamudamuda Current Yhwach and Prime Kaguya is a little bit overkill I believe.

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vegeta beats HST in seconds

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Perona + Sugar

Aizen + Sugar

Tousen + Sugar (has to be really quick)

Doflamingo + Tsuchikage Onoki

Boa Hancock

Doflamingo + Giolla/Jora

Crocodile + Itachi

Barragan + Absalom/Blueno/Yoruichi/anyone else that can get him close enough

Depending on if he still needs to breath, a Caesar Clown combo

Doflamingo + Gecko Moria

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@andr413 said:

@mudamudamuda Current Yhwach and Prime Kaguya is a little bit overkill I believe.

Perona + Sugar

Aizen + Sugar

Tousen + Sugar (has to be really quick)

Doflamingo + Tsuchikage Onoki

Boa Hancock

Doflamingo + Giolla/Jora

Crocodile + Itachi

Barragan + Absalom/Blueno/Yoruichi/anyone else that can get him close enough

Depending on if he still needs to breath, a Caesar Clown combo

Doflamingo + Gecko Moria

Would you mind elaborating a bit ?

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Crocodile + Law

Crocodile distracts Law sets up the room ;)

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Ichibei/Naruto

Naruto/Jora

Kaguya/Yhwach

Kakashi/Kizaru

Law/Madara

Basically any hax duo with the speed to keep up for a little while.

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@ssj_god said:

please

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#25  Edited By SinnTek1

EOS Team 7 could take Vegeta.

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@mudamudamuda Kaguya would BFR him and her prime was stated to be stronger than Kaguya in manga. Yhwach would support Kaguya by forecasting future, negate the attack and Kaguya does the rest.

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@andr413 said:

@mudamudamuda Kaguya would BFR him and her prime was stated to be stronger than Kaguya in manga. Yhwach would support Kaguya by forecasting future, negate the attack and Kaguya does the rest.

That's a good plan as well.

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Sage Mode Naruto and Law

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Barragan and Hagoromo.

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Juubi Madara and Prime Kaguya.

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@andr413 said:

@mudamudamuda Current Yhwach and Prime Kaguya is a little bit overkill I believe.

@blacklegraph said:

Perona + Sugar

Aizen + Sugar

Tousen + Sugar (has to be really quick)

Doflamingo + Tsuchikage Onoki

Boa Hancock

Doflamingo + Giolla/Jora

Crocodile + Itachi

Barragan + Absalom/Blueno/Yoruichi/anyone else that can get him close enough

Depending on if he still needs to breath, a Caesar Clown combo

Doflamingo + Gecko Moria

Would you mind elaborating a bit ?

Perona uses negative ghost to depress him and Sugar turns him into a toy.

Aizen releases kyoukasuigetsu to put him under complete hypnosis, then Sugar turns him into a toy.

Tousen uses his bankai to remove all his senses, then Sugar turns him into a toy.

Doflamingo uses parasite string to immobilize him, then Onoki uses disintegration on him.

Boa Hancock turns him into stone.

Doflamingo uses parasite string to immobilize him, then Giolla turns him into art.

Itachi puts him under a genjutsu, then Crocodile drains him with his right hand.

Absalom makes Barragan invisible, then Barragan ages him to dust.

If he needs to breath, Caesar Clown either poisons his breath or deprives him of air.

Doflamingo uses parasite string to immobilize him, then Moria takes his shadow letting the sun disintegrate him.

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Perona uses negative ghost to depress him and Sugar turns him into a toy.

Aizen releases kyoukasuigetsu to put him under complete hypnosis, then Sugar turns him into a toy.

Tousen uses his bankai to remove all his senses, then Sugar turns him into a toy.

Doflamingo uses parasite string to immobilize him, then Onoki uses disintegration on him.

Boa Hancock turns him into stone.

Doflamingo uses parasite string to immobilize him, then Giolla turns him into art.

Itachi puts him under a genjutsu, then Crocodile drains him with his right hand.

Absalom makes Barragan invisible, then Barragan ages him to dust.

If he needs to breath, Caesar Clown either poisons his breath or deprives him of air.

Doflamingo uses parasite string to immobilize him, then Moria takes his shadow letting the sun disintegrate him.

I agree with most of these.

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A lot of people has the hax to one shot Vegeta but they heavily lack the morals and speed to use them right off the bat...

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Since there are no Saibamen around, nor any Saiyans to challenge, Vegeta would kill anyone in his way.

Need total time control that won't effect his partner+someone who can planet bust (or close to it, since they'll maybe have two shots) or delete his body, but that can be said about most characters. And that's granting that he doesn't just kill them first.

Kaguya needs too much outside help.

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@mudamudamuda:

From Bleach: I'm going to have to say Post-Hogyoku Aizen + Post RG Rukia. 1 week of Aizen prep + Rukia's Bankai + Aizen's immortality + Aizen's power + Aizen's teleportation could work.

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@jeepeh said:

@mudamudamuda:

From Bleach: I'm going to have to say Post-Hogyoku Aizen + Post RG Rukia. 1 week of Aizen prep + Rukia's Bankai + Aizen's immortality + Aizen's power + Aizen's teleportation could work.

Agreed.

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@jeepeh said:

From Bleach: I'm going to have to say Post-Hogyoku Aizen + Post RG Rukia. 1 week of Aizen prep + Rukia's Bankai + Aizen's immortality + Aizen's power + Aizen's teleportation could work.

My thoughts exactly. The only problem is Vegeta's speed, so I think Aizen needs a massively fast AOE binding, which I am not sure he has--did Black Coffin ever even kill someone (does he have better now)? Once it releases for Rukia to strike, she might have to anticipate incredibly well. I'm not sure about Rukia's speed Post RG, but from what I've heard, it sounds comparable to Vegeta. What do you know of it?

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A lot of people has the hax to one shot Vegeta but they heavily lack the morals and speed to use them right off the bat...

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@colliderz said:

A lot of people has the hax to one shot Vegeta but they heavily lack the morals and speed to use them right off the bat...

Yeah, not sure how Aizen and Rukia would work together...although, they do have 1 week prep.

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#40  Edited By Jeepeh

@ssjbatdan said:

@jeepeh said:

From Bleach: I'm going to have to say Post-Hogyoku Aizen + Post RG Rukia. 1 week of Aizen prep + Rukia's Bankai + Aizen's immortality + Aizen's power + Aizen's teleportation could work.

My thoughts exactly. The only problem is Vegeta's speed, so I think Aizen needs a massively fast AOE binding, which I am not sure he has--did Black Coffin ever even kill someone (does he have better now)? Once it releases for Rukia to strike, she might have to anticipate incredibly well. I'm not sure about Rukia's speed Post RG, but from what I've heard, it sounds comparable to Vegeta. What do you know of it?

I'm picturing more like, Aizen uses prep to do something that locks Vegeta in place (Or he could use the time-stop forbidden Kido that Tessai used? I assume he can do it too if he wanted) and then Teleport in with Rukia, Rukia says "Bankai" game over.

Kurohitsugi absolutely wrecked (nothing was left, nothing. Urahara stated that he's even more powerful now than when he fought Ichigo) thousands of minions that represented the power of the Soul King bubbling over from Juha after he absorbed him. And Aizen did that while sealed and bound to a chair. lol

Rukia's speed? She doesn't have many speed feats yet. She blitzed As Nodt in Shikai, and we can power scale. That's all I can do. But her speed isn't really important when Aizen can just grab her and teleport. All she has to do is say "Bankai".

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@jeepeh said:

@ssjbatdan said:

I'm picturing more like, Aizen uses prep to do something that locks Vegeta in place (Or he could use the time-top forbidden Kido that Tessai used? I assume he can do it too if he wanted) and then Teleport in with Rukia, Rukia says "Bankai" game over.

Kurohitsugi absolutely wrecked (nothing was left, nothing. Urahara stated that he's even more powerful now than when he fought Ichigo) thousands of minions that represented the power of the Soul King bubbling over from Juha after he absorbed him.

Rukia's speed? She doesn't have many speed feats yet. She blitzed As Nodt in Shikai, and we can power scale. That's all I can do. But her speed isn't really important when Aizen just grab her and teleport. All she has to do is say "Bankai".

Vegeta can bust a planet, so I question how long Aizen could hold him, if he even could. Though, Guldo's time magic did prove effective even though he was so weak. Now we're comparing racial traits to shinigami spells...It's so open to interpretation, because DBZ characters are simply so well rounded. Their ki lets them do more than they should be able to, and in all areas of combat. Shinigami have a variety of spells/techniques in exchange, but it is hard to overpower the argument that if he can bust a planet, he break out of Aizen's lock, since the only in-universe example is that of a unique racial trait (there were more, but none near this time---all overcome, though).

I think, given the circumstances, a lot of it is open to interpretation. Many combination could go either way.

Also, note that DBZ character's ki has protected them from the core of the sun. This is important, because even though Rukia has "Absolute Zero" at her disposal, there is no guarantee it will pierce a ki shield of Vegeta's level. Just because the attack has absolute zero potency does not mean it can't be counteracted. Correct me if I am wrong, but every zanpatou seems to have an exploitable weakness (except maybe Ichigo's--I can't remember if someone only thought his had a weakness, then was proven wrong). Has that technique ever failed? (by the way, when did Rukia get a Bankai? Isn't her Shikai, Absolute Zero enough? xD)

However, I think Absolute Zero would work if Aizen can hold Vegeta long enough.

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#43  Edited By Jeepeh

@ssjbatdan said:

said:

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A lot of people has the hax to one shot Vegeta but they heavily lack the morals and speed to use them right off the bat...

Yeah, not sure how Aizen and Rukia would work together...although, they do have 1 week prep.

The OP said the team would have perfect teamwork?

Vegeta can bust a planet, so I question how long Aizen could hold him, if he even could

Then energy attacks can planet bust, not his physical stats so much. Unless you can prove otherwise

but it is hard to overpower the argument that if he can bust a planet, he break out of Aizen's lock, since the only in-universe example is that of a unique racial trait

Aizen's binding spells would be impossibly beyond anything we've seen so far, normally 1/3rd of Kurohistugi's normal form wasn't enough to kill Komamura, but after evolving to Butterflaizen, it could warp time and space. I'd be worried what a simple Rikujōkōrō from modern Aizen would be capable of.

And if Aizen used the time-stop Kido, there's not much Vegeta would be capable of doing, but wait for Rukia to kill him.

even though Rukia has "Absolute Zero" at her disposal, there is no guarantee it will pierce a ki shield of Vegeta's level.

Absolute 0 infinitely > The sun. Absolute 0 stops all molecular motion, the shield would be frozen. Absolute 0 is similar to the speed of light, it requires an infinite amount of heat/energy to be removed from a system. So if it is achieved via magic/Zanpakuto power then it requires an infinite amount of energy to be reintroduced to warm back up. Vegeta does not have infinite energy.

Correct me if I am wrong, but every zanpaktou seems to have an exploitable weakness

Um, not really. Even if they did, nothing says Vegeta would be capable of exploiting them. I mean, fudge. Aizen could just cast an illusion immediately and have Vegeta talk to Goku or Nappa, while Rukia just walks up to him and kills'em

Has that technique ever failed?

Her Bankai? No. The only person I'd agree to be capable of countering it would be someone like Juha, who's ability is to negate abilities. Even then I'd be skeptical.

by the way, when did Rukia get a Bankai? Isn't her Shikai, Absolute Zero enough? xD

Rukia got Bankai in the Royal Palace, around the same time Renji got his true Bankai. Her Shikai merely lowers the temperature of HER. And she can only use absolute 0 for 4 seconds without hurting herself. And the Absolute 0 seems to remain contained to her, because when she cut As Nodt, he was frozen, but it didn't stop all of his molecular motion.

Her Bankai, on the other hand. Is more like Soi Fon's Bankai, it's one attack, Rukia turns into an ice statue, and what it hits is Frozen to Absolute 0. As Nodt didn't get out of that one.

However, I think Absolute Zero would work if Aizen can hold Vegeta long enough.

Between 1 week of prep, illusions, time-stop kido, Kido-seals, I believe he can.

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A lot more HST characters than you think beat this character from the overrated power levels that are the Saiyan Saga

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A lot more HST characters than you think beat this character from the overrated power levels that are the Saiyan Saga