What's So Wrong With Anime/Manga?

I usually don't do things like this, but the bias against Manga and Anime is really starting to get on my nerves. What makes it so different from comics? It has illustrations, dialoige, panels, story arcs, decent characters... It's almost as though there is prejudice against it on this site. Manga and anime not only allow a multitude of new fights, but mostare decent ones. My guess is that some people are just mad they can't comment on the anime vs threads, because they know next to nothing about the anime/manga. So what? I don't read Darkhorse comics, but you don't see me complaining about putting a ban on it. Some of the more prominent members on this site are complaining about how repealing the rule was a "mistake" when in reality it is being handled maturely and without a case of trolling. In fact, most users that support anime/mana have provided good arguments and backed them up. So I challenge you, please let me know the signifigant difference between anime and comics that anime deserves a ban.

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

I usually don't do things like this, but the bias against Manga and Anime is really starting to get on my nerves. What makes it so different from comics? It has illustrations, dialoige, panels, story arcs, decent characters... It's almost as though there is prejudice against it on this site. Manga and anime not only allow a multitude of new fights, but mostare decent ones. My guess is that some people are just mad they can't comment on the anime vs threads, because they know next to nothing about the anime/manga. So what? I don't read Darkhorse comics, but you don't see me complaining about putting a ban on it. Some of the more prominent members on this site are complaining about how repealing the rule was a "mistake" when in reality it is being handled maturely and without a case of trolling. In fact, most users that support anime/mana have provided good arguments and backed them up. So I challenge you, please let me know the signifigant difference between anime and comics that anime deserves a ban.

Agreed I have never entered a Anime/Manga vs Comic thread and just said "OMG DBZ stomps cause they can blow up everything". Every single time I have provided evidence and scans to back up my claims and have arguments around the board.

Literally there are people who just go on those battles and say "DC character stomps" and just leave. No argument, no explanation, just pure fanboyism.

I can name a handful of users who do this regularly.

But there is a hefty abundance of DBZ vs Comic battles, hopefully it will die down in a week.

Now that you look at it, it's the mass populous of immature viners who are the cause of the problem.

I tend to perfer classic American style, plus for me (maybe cause I have explored) but there arn't any descernable names.

The problem isn't with the franchise but with the people who post imbalanced threads.

@Strider92 So there weren't unbalanced threads even when the ban was enacted?

@ImTheDamnBatman: No but there where less of them.

Allow me to repost something I said in the other thread

@Lord_Johnathan said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

@CitizenBane May I ask, what exactly do you have aginst Anime/Manga?

The medium is very strongly subject to Sturgeon's law. There are some really excellent anime and mangas out there, but other than the really big name ones, they tend to be buried in the...less than stellar ones and the outright horrible ones. The same is true of every medium, but Anime and Manga also has a language barrier to hurdle over that western comics and cartoons don't, and when it fails to cross said barrier; the result can be amusing.

Much the same can be said of Webcomics. You have your Homestucks, Orders of the stick, and Schlock Mercenaries which are beautifully written and are actually of a higher quality than most published comic books, and then you have utter garbage that gets a dishonorable mention on TV tropes' so bad it's horrible page.

While I am a giant homestuck fangirl, I don't dare post any Homestuck battles for fear of backlash from published comic book fans.

The thing is, in America, you have things like the Nolan trilogy and the MCU movies that make Comic book characters cool and mainstream, as well as very well known. Even DBZ is positively obscure compared to Batman or Spiderman. The stigma of the stereotype of the nerdy, obsessive, creepy weaboo who loves Japan and it's stuff over their own country doesn't help either. Neither does the fact that there is some cultural differences between Ameri-European works and Japanese works. The trope of the Action Girl for example, while considered a staple of western fiction, isn't really taken very seriously in Japan.

@Strider92 Really? Because I seem to recall how every other hour there would be a "Sundipped (1 day) Superman vs Deathstroke!" Or "Batman (1 day prep) vs Darkseid!" Hell, just yesterday I saw a "Batman vs Doomsday" thread made and that had nothing to do with anime/comics.

@Lord_Johnathan: There are lots of good english dubs, like Death Note, and Black Lagoon. Btw, You just posted a clip from a shemale hentai porn called "Bibal Black", so I can understand why it's crappy.

@Lord_Jonathan Yes, but that shouldn't have anything to do with banning them, if they are done well.

@Killer_of_trolls :

Most of the better dubs are for the more well known shows. Obscure ones get shafted when they get translated for budgetary reasons. And why on earth do you know that? O.o

@Lord_Johnathan: dude do Homestuck threads , that series need more love

must be internet browsing or some forum

I can think of

Things that are wrong with anime/manga.

@Lord_Johnathan: Bibal Black and it's characters and art is quite famous. There are a lot of jokes about it online, so lots of anime fans know it. I wouldn't watch it, Although a friend of mine told me if you take the sex scenes out, you got well-written plot about fantasy, dark magic, battles.

Well, you know, this isn't the best site for anime enthusiasts.

I fell out of love with anime right around when Naruto became super popular. I felt that since DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho, and to a lesser extent Gundam, every anime that was on TV was about some guy trying to get strong, or robots killing each other. I guess I also stopped watching it because of all of the negative stuff Lord_Johnathan above me listed. But that doesn't mean I don't watch Cowboy Bebop every once and again. And Paprika is still in my opinion the best animated movie from Japan.

But you know what I'm saying, who knows these things. If the people against anime bother you that much, remember this thing: They love muscle-bound men in tights.

There really is nothing you can do since this is a western comic oriented site.

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

@Lord_Jonathan Yes, but that shouldn't have anything to do with banning them, if they are done well.

The main reason Anime vs Comics was banned was because of this dude right here. And his loathesome ilk. He didn't directly cause the ban, but guys like him did. The old vine community was vastly different than what you know now. There was once a time when moderation was pretty much completely non-existent.

@RumbleMan_Exe:

Homestuck averages six or so times more readers per day then Wolverine gets in a month. :P

@Lord_Johnathan: I am getting into problem sleuth m'self but the site seems to be wonky at the moment

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@Lord_Johnathan: I am getting into problem sleuth m'self but the site seems to be wonky at the moment

The site frequently gets more traffic than the servers can handle.

@Lord_Johnathan said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

@Lord_Jonathan Yes, but that shouldn't have anything to do with banning them, if they are done well.

The main reason Anime vs Comics was banned was because of this dude right here.

Reading that guy's forum history hurts my brain.

@Mattersuit: hes full of comedy

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@Mattersuit: hes full of comedy stupidity

Fixed

@Mattersuit said:

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@Mattersuit: hes full of comedy stupidity

Fixed

@RumbleMan_Exe: Well then, thank you, good sir. xD

That broly dude should chill with the terminator douche...they would love each other,,unless one brought up broly vs. terminator.......cowboy bebop is the f'n best!!!

There is nothing wrong with Animes/Manga. The reason why they are not taken seriously or as mainstream is the same reason why american comics are not big in Asia, it's a cultural thing. Animes and mangas value certain things which are considered weird by Western standards and such it would be really hard to market. The prevalence of nudity in animes and manga, plus the often misinterpreted pedophilia like qualities of the characters, i.e. chibi, is also a turn-off to many. Ecchi is a prevalent genre in mangas/animes and such many people have the wrong connotations about it. Not to mention, the concept of Otaku makes it even harder to enjoy certain mangas/animes with excessive nudity without coming off as a massive creepo. I personally am turned off by chibi genre, finding it too much like pedophilia. I understand it's because the Japanese value innocence, small figured individuals, etc. However, despite this, I still find it uncomfortable. Nudity is portrayed and taken very differently in America then the rest of the world. America has a very odd hyperbolic relationship with nudity. It is okay as long it is in an R-rated movie or porno, but if its anywhere near prime-time television or out in the open, people freak the fuck out. So that adds an additional barrier between Japanese comics and American comics. Well this is my two cents.

@Bane_of_sith said:

That broly dude should chill with the terminator douche...they would love each other,,unless one brought up broly vs. terminator.......cowboy bebop is the f'n best!!!

If only....

I think it's like..everything y'know, there's good and bad. You can't put down an entire medium just cause the most well known entry in your corner of the world is 'not that good'. Just like in comics, there are some good stories and some bad ones. There is amazing manga and anime with solid stories, beloved characters and tons of fan following. I myself am a huge Saint Seiya fan (grew up with it in the 90s), Mazinger, Astro Boy...I like some Dragon Ball (but not as much as some of my fellow viners) and so on and so forth

@XImpossibruX said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

I usually don't do things like this, but the bias against Manga and Anime is really starting to get on my nerves. What makes it so different from comics? It has illustrations, dialoige, panels, story arcs, decent characters... It's almost as though there is prejudice against it on this site. Manga and anime not only allow a multitude of new fights, but mostare decent ones. My guess is that some people are just mad they can't comment on the anime vs threads, because they know next to nothing about the anime/manga. So what? I don't read Darkhorse comics, but you don't see me complaining about putting a ban on it. Some of the more prominent members on this site are complaining about how repealing the rule was a "mistake" when in reality it is being handled maturely and without a case of trolling. In fact, most users that support anime/mana have provided good arguments and backed them up. So I challenge you, please let me know the signifigant difference between anime and comics that anime deserves a ban.

Agreed I have never entered a Anime/Manga vs Comic thread and just said "OMG DBZ stomps cause they can blow up everything". Every single time I have provided evidence and scans to back up my claims and have arguments around the board.

Literally there are people who just go on those battles and say "DC character stomps" and just leave. No argument, no explanation, just pure fanboyism.

I can name a handful of users who do this regularly.

But there is a hefty abundance of DBZ vs Comic battles, hopefully it will die down in a week.

This I have seen this several times over the course of a few days and I do notice it's the same people.

I see that now my mini-essay is no longer on the latest page people will no longer respond. Le sigh.

@Strider92 said:

The problem isn't with the franchise but with the people who post imbalanced threads.

This isn't true, the people who come in and say "DC stomps" Don't even attempt to debate the subject, they don't care they just don't like seeing "Insert Manga char here" vs "insert dc or marvel char here" So they come in and say what they want based off fanboyism. Someone like @XImpossibruX Could come and give very very good reasons for the manga char actually outclasses the dc char in their Base form with no add ons, and that post will be ignored the entire thread. That's the same reason the ban was lifted, Vance realized it wasn't the threads that were the problem it was the immature butthurt users that were.

The vine has always been DC country. Marvel fans have been treated to "DC" stomps for much longer then the Manga fans have.

nothing wrong with them. only 2 exceptions: dubbed anime and taken seriously manga. then we have a problem.

@theTimeStreamer:

Don't forget licensed anime. Some of it, like the Kirby and Sonic ones are good. Then we have crap fests like Beast Wars Neo. The latter, like most licensed products, is the unfortunate majority.

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

I usually don't do things like this, but the bias against Manga and Anime is really starting to get on my nerves. What makes it so different from comics? It has illustrations, dialoige, panels, story arcs, decent characters... It's almost as though there is prejudice against it on this site. Manga and anime not only allow a multitude of new fights, but mostare decent ones. My guess is that some people are just mad they can't comment on the anime vs threads, because they know next to nothing about the anime/manga. So what? I don't read Darkhorse comics, but you don't see me complaining about putting a ban on it. Some of the more prominent members on this site are complaining about how repealing the rule was a "mistake" when in reality it is being handled maturely and without a case of trolling. In fact, most users that support anime/mana have provided good arguments and backed them up. So I challenge you, please let me know the signifigant difference between anime and comics that anime deserves a ban.

Thats pretty much it. Some people don't like it because they don't have an opinion on it due to lack of knowledge. I mean what would you do if the battle forums were flooded with darkhorse threads? You wouldn't be annoyed you couldn't comment on a majority of the battles? Personally I don't mind so much. The amount of DBZ threads annoy me a lot, but there isn't much I can do about that.

My only real problem with anime/manga is that while american comics are more or less works with the same principles as far as power goes, mangas and animes are not. For example how we compare One Piece haki, with Narutos chakra too Bleachs soul based abilities? I like anime manga, and I like the debates with them, as long as the character overall comparable to western comics. And even I bored with DBZ vs Superman threads, even if i happend to like DBZ.

Saying anime sucks is like saying that films suck, anime is just a form a form of storytelling ranging from action to comedy to horror. The problem is people on the vine heavily favour the most poorly written formulaic anime around DB,Naruto, One Piece and Bleach. All 4 had great initial ideas and universes built around them but are know or have been dependent on the scaling power formula and lengthy battles to keep up the rapid production rate with any idea of a decent plot thrown to the dogs.

I have only seen 3 users on here that complain. They are going to get over it soon enough, just ignore them and flag their spite threads against anime characters.

It's nothing against anime in particular.  They're just filling up the pages.  Hopefully it does down a bit as a percentage of the whole.

@jashro44: The thing about DBZ chartacters is that they are so overpowered. But using manga like One Piece, FMA & Code:Breaker should be good

Its because the manga/anime, doesn't really state how fast someone is moving or how their power is going or whatever like comics do with just about every panel explaining things to the reader. So really all manga/anime has to go by, are the characters stating such and such which is usually frowned upon.

@jashro44 said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

I usually don't do things like this, but the bias against Manga and Anime is really starting to get on my nerves. What makes it so different from comics? It has illustrations, dialoige, panels, story arcs, decent characters... It's almost as though there is prejudice against it on this site. Manga and anime not only allow a multitude of new fights, but mostare decent ones. My guess is that some people are just mad they can't comment on the anime vs threads, because they know next to nothing about the anime/manga. So what? I don't read Darkhorse comics, but you don't see me complaining about putting a ban on it. Some of the more prominent members on this site are complaining about how repealing the rule was a "mistake" when in reality it is being handled maturely and without a case of trolling. In fact, most users that support anime/mana have provided good arguments and backed them up. So I challenge you, please let me know the signifigant difference between anime and comics that anime deserves a ban.

Thats pretty much it. Some people don't like it because they don't have an opinion on it due to lack of knowledge. I mean what would you do if the battle forums were flooded with darkhorse threads? You wouldn't be annoyed you couldn't comment on a majority of the battles? Personally I don't mind so much. The amount of DBZ threads annoy me a lot, but there isn't much I can do about that.

It's not flooded, but hey... Don't blame the water if you can't swim. I was in the animevice too, but can't comment the majority only dbz and bleach. Why would I annoyed? If I don't care the other battles then I won't read, if I found that interesting, then start reading/watching/or just read about the mentioned characters.

I love anime (especially shohen); Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Dragon Ball, Zatch, and now Fairy Tail, but they do tend to fall to the same plot devices, storytelling, character archetypes and themes. Compared to Western comics, they're lacking in production value but thats expected if its one guy crafting an entire universe with no editor and cheapa$$ producers on their backs. (looking at you, Viz Media). Because every spikey-haired overpowered youth with a heart of gold needs a broody, calm, cool, and collected, driven rival with a chip on their shoulder.....

That being said, haters gon' hate.

This might be a dumb question, but i want to understand. What is the difference between Manga and Anime? And where are posters getting there information for the Battles, from the paper and ink books, or the cartoon like shows on TV? Example a battle going on right now is Broly (who when i type in the name only a movie appears) and Kid Buu (who was in 14 issues but has extensive page). If posters are using characters and stats found in books, cool. But if they are using Movie characters and stats that not what Comicvine stands for.

@mypasswordis1234 said:

@jashro44 said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

I usually don't do things like this, but the bias against Manga and Anime is really starting to get on my nerves. What makes it so different from comics? It has illustrations, dialoige, panels, story arcs, decent characters... It's almost as though there is prejudice against it on this site. Manga and anime not only allow a multitude of new fights, but mostare decent ones. My guess is that some people are just mad they can't comment on the anime vs threads, because they know next to nothing about the anime/manga. So what? I don't read Darkhorse comics, but you don't see me complaining about putting a ban on it. Some of the more prominent members on this site are complaining about how repealing the rule was a "mistake" when in reality it is being handled maturely and without a case of trolling. In fact, most users that support anime/mana have provided good arguments and backed them up. So I challenge you, please let me know the signifigant difference between anime and comics that anime deserves a ban.

Thats pretty much it. Some people don't like it because they don't have an opinion on it due to lack of knowledge. I mean what would you do if the battle forums were flooded with darkhorse threads? You wouldn't be annoyed you couldn't comment on a majority of the battles? Personally I don't mind so much. The amount of DBZ threads annoy me a lot, but there isn't much I can do about that.

It's not flooded, but hey... Don't blame the water if you can't swim. I was in the animevice too, but can't comment the majority only dbz and bleach. Why would I annoyed? If I don't care the other battles then I won't read, if I found that interesting, then start reading/watching/or just read about the mentioned characters.

It was flooded a lot a few days ago. There are still a lot of these threads. Some people have no interest in things like DBZ and bleech and maybe they have tried to read into it but they just don't like it. Every time a goku vs superman thread or something of the like shows up, a thread like batman vs captain america and threads like that get knocked down.

Personally I actually support the lift of the ban (for the most part anyways...) but it is frustrating in some ways.

@AmishAvenger said:

This might be a dumb question, but i want to understand. What is the difference between Manga and Anime? And where are posters getting there information for the Battles, from the paper and ink books, or the cartoon like shows on TV? Example a battle going on right now is Broly (who when i type in the name only a movie appears) and Kid Buu (who was in 14 issues but has extensive page). If posters are using characters and stats found in books, cool. But if they are using Movie characters and stats that not what Comicvine stands for.

That's another difference between comics and anime/manga. Sure generally speaking the original manga is considered the canon source for information however in the sense that a character only appears in say an OVA or a Movie then that generally separate universe/timeline becomes canon unto itself. Also there are anime that don't have manga counterparts(second half of the orignial FMA, Darker than Black, Sword Art Online) that come along at a later date therefore the anime itself is canon. It's quite different finding out what is acceptable and what isn't from comics from which everything is taken from the original print issue, etc etc.

This might be a dumb question, but i want to understand. What is the difference between Manga and Anime? And where are posters getting there information for the Battles, from the paper and ink books, or the cartoon like shows on TV? Example a battle going on right now is Broly (who when i type in the name only a movie appears) and Kid Buu (who was in 14 issues but has extensive page). If posters are using characters and stats found in books, cool. But if they are using Movie characters and stats that not what Comicvine stands for.

Nothing is wrong with Japanese stuff however:

Anime ----> Animevice

Comics----> Comicvine

/thread

I for one am a big fan of anime and manga.

@jashro44 said:

@mypasswordis1234 said:

@jashro44 said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

I usually don't do things like this, but the bias against Manga and Anime is really starting to get on my nerves. What makes it so different from comics? It has illustrations, dialoige, panels, story arcs, decent characters... It's almost as though there is prejudice against it on this site. Manga and anime not only allow a multitude of new fights, but mostare decent ones. My guess is that some people are just mad they can't comment on the anime vs threads, because they know next to nothing about the anime/manga. So what? I don't read Darkhorse comics, but you don't see me complaining about putting a ban on it. Some of the more prominent members on this site are complaining about how repealing the rule was a "mistake" when in reality it is being handled maturely and without a case of trolling. In fact, most users that support anime/mana have provided good arguments and backed them up. So I challenge you, please let me know the signifigant difference between anime and comics that anime deserves a ban.

Thats pretty much it. Some people don't like it because they don't have an opinion on it due to lack of knowledge. I mean what would you do if the battle forums were flooded with darkhorse threads? You wouldn't be annoyed you couldn't comment on a majority of the battles? Personally I don't mind so much. The amount of DBZ threads annoy me a lot, but there isn't much I can do about that.

It's not flooded, but hey... Don't blame the water if you can't swim. I was in the animevice too, but can't comment the majority only dbz and bleach. Why would I annoyed? If I don't care the other battles then I won't read, if I found that interesting, then start reading/watching/or just read about the mentioned characters.

It was flooded a lot a few days ago. There are still a lot of these threads. Some people have no interest in things like DBZ and bleech and maybe they have tried to read into it but they just don't like it. Every time a goku vs superman thread or something of the like shows up, a thread like batman vs captain america and threads like that get knocked down.

Personally I actually support the lift of the ban (for the most part anyways...) but it is frustrating in some ways.

Of course, because the manga vs comic was forbidden before, but it now not flooded.

I hate censor/banning things because someones doesn't like it. If he tired, then go rest a little. :)

But banning is not a good solve, it never was. Maybe a section for "typical" battles, like Batman vs Captain America, Superman vs Hulk, Goku vs Superman, etc, where the discussion could go with no end, would solve the problem, or something similar, but banning the whole manga/anime because someones don't like it is just ignorant and stupid.