What power logically counters Time Manipulation?

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#51  Edited By GrandTOAA

@sungsam: I said logically which is why I mentioned Fire melting Ice, ice freezing water, water quenching fire which is logically how it goes but In fiction we have seen stronger ice users beat weak fire users and strong fire users (Like Natsu) beat elements that fire should be weak against like water, wind etc. Saying stronger time Manipulator isn't a good answer, it's like saying a stronger fire Manipulator would beat a weaker one, duh! Which is why I stress the word 'logically'. Forget the user of the power, let's imagine they are of equal powers or skills, which powers logically beats Time manipulation? I am not interested in the user but the power itself and everyone here have been giving good answers. It seems you are the only one who didn't understand the question.

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#53  Edited By Sungsam

@grandtoaa said:

@sungsam: Which is why I stress the word 'logically'. Forget the user of the power, let's imagine they are of equal powers or skills, which powers logically beats Time manipulation? I am not interested in the user but the power itself and everyone here have been giving good answers. It seems you are the only one who didn't understand the question.

If the warping powers are equal, how would they beat one another? So they can't beat one another.

The only way any type of power would beat another type of power if it operated VIA greater feats. You just answered your own question again. That's why I see zero point in productivity to your answer, furthermore because this forum is a battle board on fictional characters instead of just archetypal power discussions like you're trying to have it here.

If a character has the feats of operating at a superior potency than another, it matters not which kind of power they use.

I see your point, but all the answers are so pointless because it depends on their damn feats.

Literally ANYONE'S answer on this thread can be negated with, WHICH Time Manipulator are we talking about? Because there are many forms of it. You didn't even explain it.

Street level time manipulation? Quantum time manipulation? Universe level Space time manipulation? What?

You are venturing into the seas in a boat with no real intended destination.

Okay, you say it doesn't matter, just so long as they're equal. Okay, if they're equal powers, they wouldn't beat one another.

Other people can hawk around with their super speed beating Time manipulation, I don't even know how that even makes sense because Speed and motion functions on duration and duration functions on Time. It's like saying Super Matter Manipulation can beat Quantum Universe manipulation because you put super in it.

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Speedforce or having neck feats.

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Uhh, super speed is not countering time manipulation. Yes a character might be able to blitz a manipulator of time before they use the ability but it doesn't outright counter the ability itself. As to what does? Well you either have resistance to it to some degree, control it better than your opponent or outright be above time as a concept(which probably falls under resistance technically anyway).

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Omnipresence and super speed are forms of time manipulation?

I'm thinking Han Solo holds the answer, Carbonite Stasis

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None. If you have a body in reality and someone stops time your body would also be stopped because its a physical form. You'd literally need to be above such concepts.

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It's like the legendary trio Pokemon of Sinnoh.

Either by space manipulation or dimension manipulation.

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@sungsam: Once again, the user here doesn't matter, just the powers itself. I get what you keep saying about the character with better with feats should win; In DBS, Jiren broke out of Hit time Manipulation, simply because he was stronger. This happens a lot in animes when time Manipulation is involved. Not the kinda answers i am looking for. Logically if a fire user and ice user of equal strength meet, the fire user wins. In fact, Pokémon does it best where an element can strong against one element and then weak against another. I don't think Super speed counters time Manipulation since speed is movement and time Manipulation should be able to stop time and all form of movements, regardless of how fast it is. Lots of people have mentioned powers like Acasuasity, Omnipresence, Temporal lock, space/dimension Manipulation, destiny Manipulation and gave reasons too.

But if you still don't get what am asking, then let me simplify it this way for you by giving a scenario using the both of us. I (GrandTOAA) have been given the power of time Manipulation (Stop time, Rewind time, etc.) by some deity and I plan to raise hell. What exact power would you (Sungsam) ask for that can counter or overpower my Time Manipulation.

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I tend to notice this in a lot of fiction, but does Super speed counter time stop by making you move slow instead? Doesn't all movement cease when time is stopped?

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4-d transcendence?

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Judomaster has a passive force field that makes everything miss. Something like that would force a stalemate unless the time manipulator can bust a gas main.

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Dimensional Manipulation

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#64  Edited By Wanderez

Acausality is a direct counter to time hax.

Standing in a higher dimension also works.

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Better time manipulation or reality warping, extreme speed in verses that don't give a shit about what makes sense.

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Reality Warping and Temporal Lock

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What counters time manipulation?

Being above 4th dimensional.

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@d2therj said:

What counters time manipulation?

Being above 4th dimensional.

Nah, it depends on what kind of Time.

If we are talking about, Conceptual Change, simply being above 4-D is not good enough,

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Reality manipulation can counter

Time Manipulation Resistance depending on the series some characters can travel through time and space with their own abilities thus BFR’ing themselves momentarily to escape whatever time manipulation is being spammed

Or good old fashion speedblitzing

The said person or character can possibly get speed blitzed before they are able to perform the time feat

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Time Anchoring and Time Transcendence, Time Consumption or Time Destruction, or just greater Time Manipulation.

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#71 Yasindermann  Online

Time Transcendence (Is not really a power when we talk about execution powers like manipulation (to which the OP probably refers), but rather a state of being. I hope that counts.

There are also powers that are explicitly there to counter time manipulation.

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@xlr87t3: all of your examples required the person to function during frozen time which can’t be possible if they’re frozen in time lol

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#73  Edited By shirso

Existing outside the timestream itself.

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@etriel said:
@d2therj said:

What counters time manipulation?

Being above 4th dimensional.

Nah, it depends on what kind of Time.

If we are talking about, Conceptual Change, simply being above 4-D is not good enough,

Are we talking from a theoretical physics point of view, or in relation to comics?

From what I understand, space and time are the 4th dimension. So technically being 5th to 10th dimensional should ultimately make time a meaningless concept?


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Anti-Time Manipulation

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#78  Edited By SagaTheLegend

@d2therj: Pretty sure 5th to 10th are spatial dimensions, there is only 1 temporal dimensional in both string theory and M-theory so no.

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depends solely on the author, many chinese xianxia and xuanhuan just having overwhelming power above your enemy can negate hax or time/space abilities.

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#80  Edited By GrandTOAA

@wanderez: What's Acausality exactly if I may ask?

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@raziel2014: Bringing up overwhelming power over your enemy takes it to the DBZ/DBS style, where all you need to break out of any Hax is to be stronger than your opponent. What I am looking for is logical counters.

In a fight between two opponents who are equals, if one has time manipulation, what power does the other need to counter the Time Manipulation. Does the Xianxia and Xuanhuan having such abilities?

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@grandtoaa: "Acausality is the ability to act unrestrained by conventional cause and effect, on a scale that varies depending on the character. For some characters, this means not being affected by changes to the past; for others, this means defying all logic and acting with disregard for traditional causality."

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@lucano: The last sentence makes it sound like Reality Warping.

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#85  Edited By MattyBoi

Reality Warping

Existing Beyond Time

Time Hax Resistance/Immunity

Probability Manipulation

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Being a Infinite 5D Existence, which meaning you're not bound by time

Examples:

Hagoromo (Naruto)

Imp (DC)

Celestialsapiens (Ben 10)

Any of the Creation Trio (Pokemon)

Etc...........

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#87 Cruelrain  Online

Weather manipulation

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@grandtoaa:

Time balance protection.

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IE: Chronos preserves the balance.

Or as a counter to another ability.

"This eye of Chronos preserves the balance of time in this room"

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Not being able to manipulate time, but having the ability to preserve the timeline.

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@animefreak1 said:

Being a Infinite 5D Existence, which meaning you're not bound by time

Examples:

Hagoromo (Naruto)

Imp (DC)

Celestialsapiens (Ben 10)

Any of the Creation Trio (Pokemon)

Etc...........

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@d2therj said:

Are we talking from a theoretical physics point of view, or in relation to comics?

From what I understand, space and time are the 4th dimension. So technically being 5th to 10th dimensional should ultimately make time a meaningless concept?

Time Dimensions are not the same as Space Dimensions. There are theories around where there is a Time Dimension for every respective Spatial Dimension.

So being 5-D does not even necessarily mean you transcend the Change in the 5th Dimension.

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time manip is a very very very broad term. so just to simplify it if we are talking about time stop, the most simple and well-known form of time stop, you would probably need to be a casual or at the very least have a very nice defence so its a stalemate, anything above that is infinitely harder to answer

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The answers in this thread are incredibly thought out, so those.

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@cruelrain: how would weather manipulation counter time manipulation

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@cruelrain: How does Weather manipulation affect time?

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@animefreak1 said:

Being a Infinite 5D Existence, which meaning you're not bound by time

Examples:

Hagoromo (Naruto)

Imp (DC)

Celestialsapiens (Ben 10)

Any of the Creation Trio (Pokemon)

Etc...........

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@gaoron said:
@coolguy18 said:

@animefreak1 said:

Being a Infinite 5D Existence, which meaning you're not bound by time

Examples:

Hagoromo (Naruto)

Imp (DC)

Celestialsapiens (Ben 10)

Any of the Creation Trio (Pokemon)

Etc...........

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Being a Infinite 5D Existence, which meaning you're not bound by time

Examples:

Hagoromo (Naruto)

Imp (DC)

Celestialsapiens (Ben 10)

Any of the Creation Trio (Pokemon)

Etc...........

See this is what I thought initially.

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@zgtfreak said:
@gaoron said:
@coolguy18 said:

@animefreak1 said:

Being a Infinite 5D Existence, which meaning you're not bound by time

Examples:

Hagoromo (Naruto)

Imp (DC)

Celestialsapiens (Ben 10)

Any of the Creation Trio (Pokemon)

Etc...........

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