What If? Party Thor vs SnyderCut Superman

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Poll What If? Party Thor vs SnyderCut Superman (190 votes)

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I doubt superman even scratch this thor. There's still the issue of actually tagging him though

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Thor is stronger and more durable.

But he's still a statue.

You should edit the poll to include stalemate. Because that's the only answer here

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#4  Edited By RajjarsAlt
@killianduclark said:

Thor is stronger and more durable.

But he's still a statue.

You should edit the poll to include stalemate. Because that's the only answer here

He did follow Carol really quickly and he did use Mjolnir independently

He also dodged photon blasts so I don't think statuing would happen

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Thor one shots

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Thor wins

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#7  Edited By KillianDuclark

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

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#9  Edited By RajjarsAlt
@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

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Thor wins, this is like Thing Vs Superman, Superman gets completely worn out then gets one shotted

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Mismatch. Replace DCEU Supes with Pre-Crisis Supes to make it fair

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#12  Edited By KillianDuclark

@rajjarsalt:

/Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds/

Combat speed is not the same as travel speed.

How fast a character can throw and dodge a punch is different from how fast they can cross a distance.

/Photons are light speed no/

It's never stated. All we know is that it's named after a real life phenomenon called, photons which can move at lightspeed in a vacuum. Being named after something doesn't mean you function exactly like that thing.

Case in point. Spiderman.

/Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters/

No it's literally been calcd at mach 200.

No scaling was used, they person simply used the time it took for cracks to spread across the granite slab.

I'll link to calc in a minute

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Well I guess it's a good thing the main timeline characters scales to their what if versions. Hopefully this puts an end to Thor Vs dceu superman battles.

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#14  Edited By KillianDuclark

@joker567892:

In what reality does Superman lose in a fight against the Thing?

Clark can literally lift him up and BFR Ben

Encase him in ice with freeze breath.

Or simply KO him since Clark is significantly stronger than Ben is durable.

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Well I guess it's a good thing the main timeline characters scales to their what if versions. Hopefully this puts an end to Thor Vs dceu superman battles.

So that means Thanos <<<<< Proxima=Black Widow ?

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@killianduclark:

1. Clark never bfrs in character, he did it to DD after an extensive fight, he never tried bfring Zod or any enemies prior or after.

2. Easily breaks out of the ice

3. Ben has literally ate nukes for breakfast, Superman dies to nukes in universe.

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@killianduclark:

Fan calculations doesn't mean jack, if they are incorrect.

Should I link you to a calc that puts mcu Thor as a multi billion tonner?

The mach 200 calc is disproved by Diana and Arthur moving slowly after getting tossed aside by Clark unless you think Clark tossed them at hypersonic speeds which in that case both of them would have landed in the next state.

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@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

Scene transition/Framecut is not even a real timing.

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@drrobert said:

Mismatch. Replace DCEU Supes with Pre-Crisis Supes to make it fair

Yeah i agree. I see how MCU What If Thor stomps Cosmic Armor Superman is fight

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Seen episode and honestly hor might win.

Damn i hope that canon Thor could be that strong

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@iloveorangeyum:

Timecut is how dceu fanboys arrived at Clark being mach 3000 in flightspeed.

Lol...black widow doesn't scale to Proxima and Thanos lost against Proxima and Cull both armed with weapons that can seriously hurt him.

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#22  Edited By RajjarsAlt

@rajjarsalt said:
@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

Scene transition/Framecut is not even a real timing.

Mjolnir wasn't a frame cut I think

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Thor busted a small planet or large asteroid and tanked being punched across the globe which he ‘felt’. Supes can neither harm him nor take a hit from him. But Thor would have a hard time tagging supes (but wasn’t particularly slow). Eventually Thor should win.

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@iloveorangeyum:

Timecut is how dceu fanboys arrived at Clark being mach 3000 in flightspeed.

I do not even scale him that high

Lol...black widow doesn't scale to Proxima

And Proxima has always problems with Nat or i am missing something

and Thanos lost against Proxima and Cull both armed with weapons that can seriously hurt him.

He wasn't hit with sharp part of him. Somehow Thanos was KOed by electric weapon which all surrounding people survived paralise.

Are we saying that MCU Hela's helmet is now so fragile it is capable of being shattered by dropping from 2 meters height ?

Dude, this is different story, different origin, different martial arts training, different limit testing. Being only child might have come out differently giving him more time to test own limits

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#25  Edited By KillianDuclark

@johndeyvido:

???

/if they are incorrect./

Which they are not. They were backed by multiple viners. The calc itself was sound.

/The mach 200 calc is disproved by Diana and Arthur moving slowly after getting tossed aside by Clark unless you think Clark tossed them at hypersonic speeds /

Sure, that seems like a reasonable conclusion if we take statue feat calc as legit

/which in that case both of them would have landed in the next state./

Don't get you. They would landed where?

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@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

Scene transition/Framecut is not even a real timing.

Mjolnir wasn't a frame cut I think

It was framecut, not real timing.

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@rajjarsalt said:
@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

Scene transition/Framecut is not even a real timing.

Mjolnir wasn't a frame cut I think

It was framecut, not real timing.

I thought it was only shown from Thor/CM perspective so no cuts

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Apparently he’s a planet buster sooo…….

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@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

Scene transition/Framecut is not even a real timing.

Mjolnir wasn't a frame cut I think

It was framecut, not real timing.

I thought it was only shown from Thor/CM perspective so no cuts

It was framecut when they were punching each other to Ionosphere toward UK or USA. From perspective of that resting guy on beach they weren't moving that fast.

OT: Still impressive feats for Carol to give a UK-USA punch or Thor full speeded swing toward UK from Paris

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@kinglouie: Bruh the feat was taken out of context basically the parties Thor have are so destructive they destroy planets but it’s not him doing it, it’s literally everyone at the party and him

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Apparently he’s a planet buster sooo…….

Thor busted a small planet or large asteroid and tanked being punched across the globe which he ‘felt’. Supes can neither harm him nor take a hit from him. But Thor would have a hard time tagging supes (but wasn’t particularly slow). Eventually Thor should win.

Later he debunked this planet busting with meteor busting and he had off screen help

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@killianduclark:

Did you not see Arthur trying to get a jump on Clark whilst Barry was attempting to blitz him which he sidesteps. Arthur was falling under the effect of gravity which is 9.8m/s^2 so that puts the mach 200 as wrong.

If Clark tossed them at hypersonic speeds, Arthur and Diana would have landed in another city after the scene goes back to real time which obviously didn't happen.

The source of the shockwaves by the guy who calculated the feat is an e-book which no one has verified yet.

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#33  Edited By Johndeyvido

@iloveorangeyum:

"What if" Thor is main timeline Thor if he didn't have a brother. I don't see why having a brother would weaken him.

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@johndeyvido: the general consensus on CV is that the ‘What if…?’ series doesn’t scale to the live action MCU due to all the massive inconsistencies with feats and scalings

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@rajjarsalt said:
@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

Scene transition/Framecut is not even a real timing.

Mjolnir wasn't a frame cut I think

It was framecut, not real timing.

I thought it was only shown from Thor/CM perspective so no cuts

It was framecut when they were punching each other to Ionosphere toward UK or USA. From perspective of that resting guy on beach they weren't moving that fast.

OT: Still impressive feats for Carol to give a UK-USA punch or Thor full speeded swing toward UK from Paris

Oh no I didn't mean the punch, I meant when after they landed out in the desert, Thor recalled Mjolnir and there was no frame transition between the recall and its arrival, it was all in the same scene

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Statues can't fight back.

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@rajjarsalt said:
@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

Scene transition/Framecut is not even a real timing.

Mjolnir wasn't a frame cut I think

It was framecut, not real timing.

If we are using statements over calculations to make it fair you would have to do that for both sides in which case you could place Wonder Woman at FTL for reacting to Doomsday’s heat vision which is confirmed light and Superman statues Wonder Woman.

But in reality using what is consistent for both Superman statues nothing suggest Thor’s combat speed is above hypersonic when Captain Marvel‘s punches are clearly below mach speed, likewise Superman is supposed to be slower then flash who usually keeps his speed below LS. So Superman would be faster then Thor anyways.

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@iloveorangeyum:

What if Thor is main timeline Thor if he didn't have a brother. I don't see why having a brother would weaken

him.

Why Peggy is such all perfect Mary Sue in What If ep1, compared to normal human Peggy from CA: FA or her solo series ( if they are even canon to MCU ) ? She took that steroid drug.

Thor could have the same thing, he might have taken some amping drugs or have better training. You can't speculate how Thor's life looked like for 1500 years. Same thing could have happened to Carol, she might have had different side stories.

"What If" is non canon story showing different outcomes. Previous episodes have admitted they don't follow continuity of the verse.

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@johndeyvido said:

@iloveorangeyum:

Timecut is how dceu fanboys arrived at Clark being mach 3000 in flightspeed.

Lol...black widow doesn't scale to Proxima and Thanos lost against Proxima and Cull both armed with weapons that can seriously hurt him.

Funny how people want to scale What If....? now that someone got good feats, but when Thanos got shitstomped by Cull and Proxima, they said that it doesn't matter and they don't scale. Thanos was also turned into a zombie by humans that were infected.

^^^^^^^^^^^Exactly my thoughts. This is problem of those disgusting MCU fansimps.

When we get non canon high end showings for weakass character from canon MCU like Thor, everybody is masturbating own gen***ls screaming how OP this character is and how this guy is gonna stomp DCEU Flash or Superman.

But let take non canon high low ends for powerful character like Hela's helmet embarassing destruction everybody gets triggered

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Superman can't harm What If Thor.

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#43  Edited By frozen  Moderator
@johndeyvido said:

Well I guess it's a good thing the main timeline characters scales to their what if versions. Hopefully this puts an end to Thor Vs dceu superman battles.

They don't.

But if you play that game, Thaos gets his anti feats from What If. Same for The Black Order.

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@iloveorangeyum:

"What if" Thor is main timeline Thor if he didn't have a brother. I don't see why having a brother would weaken him.

By this logic Steve scales to Peggy. Yet we have seen him directly struggle with and max out at feats far less than hers.

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#45  Edited By RajjarsAlt
@superprimetime said:
@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@iloveorangeyum said:
@rajjarsalt said:
@killianduclark said:

@rajjarsalt:

/He did follow Carol really quickly/

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed

Plus Carol's flight speed in this episode was weird to gauge. One minute she could fly from united kingdom to America in no time flat. The next she was so slow in flying from orbit to France, that Loki and Thor could have their drawn out boom joke.

/he did use Mjolnir independently/

Mjolnir was still pretty slow. As usual.

/He also dodged photon blasts /

When has dodging photon blasts meant a character was suddenly fast enough not to get statued?

Plus he was inconsistent in dodging them

/so I don't think statuing would happen/

No he still gets statued. So either equalize speed or this ends in a stalemate

Photons are light speed no

Mjolnir followed Thor from England to USA in seconds

Statueforce scene isn't that fast either it's all reliant on scaling from inconsistent characters

Scene transition/Framecut is not even a real timing.

Mjolnir wasn't a frame cut I think

It was framecut, not real timing.

If we are using statements over calculations to make it fair you would have to do that for both sides in which case you could place Wonder Woman at FTL for reacting to Doomsday’s heat vision which is confirmed light and Superman statues Wonder Woman.

But in reality using what is consistent for both Superman statues nothing suggest Thor’s combat speed is above hypersonic when Captain Marvel‘s punches are clearly below mach speed, likewise Superman is supposed to be slower then flash who usually keeps his speed below LS. So Superman would be faster then Thor anyways.

Superman's HV is a beam of red light that acts like a laser (heated doorknob) when focused, but it also turns into a pseudo energy blast (that orange fire/plasma) per that same guidebook scan. Wonder Woman reacted to HV via travel speed AFAIK, he was about to hit Batman with it and she dropped down into the ground. Batman already got tagged by the photons of said HV well before the energy blast itself hit him/WW.

So those are the technical problems that fault the scaling independently of its consistency. Speaking of that, though.

Thor having one appearance makes his feats a lot more consistent. Photon blasts are also more consistent than HV since they weren't timed by Batman, who got blitzed by a 44 mph rush.

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#46 frozen  Moderator

@rajjarsalt: This is the wrong sub forum too. I'm moving it.

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#47  Edited By RajjarsAlt
@frozen said:
@johndeyvido said:

Well I guess it's a good thing the main timeline characters scales to their what if versions. Hopefully this puts an end to Thor Vs dceu superman battles.

They don't.

But if you play that game, Thaos gets his anti feats from What If. Same for The Black Order.

Why wouldn't he

Plus What-If anti-feats aren't that bad compared to hard canon ones lol

thanks for moving

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Thor stomps

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#49  Edited By KillianDuclark

@joker567892:

/1. Clark never bfrs in character, he did it to DD after an extensive fight, he never tried bfring Zod or any enemies prior or after./

Says a character never BFR's. Proceeds to cite an instance in which they BFR.

Whether it's consistent or not is irrelevant, he is capable of doing so and that's all that matters.

/2. Easily breaks out of the ice/

Evidence to support this claim

/3. Ben has literally ate nukes for breakfast, Superman dies to nukes in universe./

Are you still talking about live action thing or some other version?

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@frozen:

Thanos did not get any anti-feat, he was injured by an alien weapon which opened him further to more damages. Even in the main timeline, their weapons were powerful too. I mean they had weapons that can tear through vibranium like tissue paper, no-sell an infinity stone attack, no-sell Wanda energy blast, cut through the hulkbuster armor etc

Finally for giggles, the producer literally says it's canon.