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#1 Posted by immoralimmortal (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

besides having no soul

would intangibility counter it?

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#2 Posted by AlphaQ (6471 posts) - - Show Bio

Intangibility would only be a counter if physical contact is a prerequisite.

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#3 Posted by Anomalous (635 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably not. Intangibility only protects against attacks that would otherwise affect tangible parts of the body. Souls aren't tangible to begin with

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#4 Posted by CocaColaMan (548 posts) - - Show Bio

Dat speed blitz

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#5 Posted by mm7910 (296 posts) - - Show Bio

Idk maybe having just such a dark soul. Like Magus? or someone who's soul like his was already taken? Might be off with that, but that seems to be something or one way around it, where if you had a dark soul already what would happen?

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#6 Posted by BreakOfDawn (2486 posts) - - Show Bio

Having no soul, AKA being a student.

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#7 Posted by Alsimmons77 (1787 posts) - - Show Bio

Soul protections, multiple souls at once, and maybe having especially powerful souls.

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#8 Posted by KingFrieza (1520 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the pre requisites on the soul manipulation.

Dimension hopping should counter any type of it, Obito, Kakashi, and Hit are good examples.

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#9 Posted by deactivated-5ceb58d110332 (57 posts) - - Show Bio

Resistances and immunities, duh.

Also, souls are typically intangible. So being intangible would only matter if the requirement was physical contact. That also means certain kinds of intangibility won't protect you, such as being a ghost or spirit.

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#10 Edited by The_Kidd (12329 posts) - - Show Bio

Magic & having a strong soul.

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#11 Posted by Kirkseven (3093 posts) - - Show Bio

being more powerful than anything the opponent has managed to manipulate

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#12 Posted by JOVIOLMA (7035 posts) - - Show Bio

Not having a soul, or having resistance against soul manipulation

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#13 Edited by zgtfreak (2199 posts) - - Show Bio

Too broad of a definition; so I'll go with...

Dat speed blitz

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being more powerful than anything the opponent has managed to manipulate

How does more raw power give you resistance to soul manipulation? LOL

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#14 Posted by Kirkseven (3093 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak: I don't remember saying ''raw power'', power can mean a verity of things. No?

But now you have me curious. If there was a character (let's call him X4) that only has feats of manipulating and destroying the souls of ordinary human civilians, would you assume that X4 could take out characters like Saitama, Superman Prime or WBH? assuming said example characters have no feats involving souls of course.

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#15 Posted by deactivated-5d01cd4d1eb4b (2651 posts) - - Show Bio

Idk. Sth what doesn't exist in real world is hard to define. I think probably supertechnology in fictional world with specific laws of science or magic or soul manipulation counter shields

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#16 Posted by Ashrym (3038 posts) - - Show Bio

Soul manipulation counters itself.

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#18 Posted by Lan_Fan (15979 posts) - - Show Bio

Soul manipulation resistance.

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#19 Edited by Amendment50 (15542 posts) - - Show Bio
@kirkseven said:

@zgtfreak: I don't remember saying ''raw power'', power can mean a verity of things. No?

But now you have me curious. If there was a character (let's call him X4) that only has feats of manipulating and destroying the souls of ordinary human civilians, would you assume that X4 could take out characters like Saitama, Superman Prime or WBH? assuming said example characters have no feats involving souls of course.

A better question is, having no soul related feats, on what basis would you assume that a character would have any better resistance to soul based attacks than any other character with no established level of resistance to such attacks? This is one of those battles forum non-arguments that people make all the time, that a character wins automatically just on the basis of the fact that they're considered a powerful character regardless of context, no matter how specific it is. Without any previous information about a character's "soul", attributing a level of strength for that specific characteristic is every bit as baseless as it would be to arbitrarily assume that characters have a certain level of physical strength, speed, or anything else. Is your argument that a character like WBH should just be automatically assumed to be resistant to such attacks just because they can win fights in other contexts where their other characteristics are relevant instead? What kind of reasoning is that? It is basically just an arbitrary way to justify hastily calling fights based on reputation rather than actually considering the factors of a specific matchup.

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#20 Posted by uugieboogie (13397 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on how the soul manipulator powers work

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#21 Posted by Supermanthor (21423 posts) - - Show Bio

@ashrym said:

Soul manipulation counters itself.

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#22 Posted by Rabii99 (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

Soul manipulation resistance feats.

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#23 Posted by UltraShaggy (1231 posts) - - Show Bio

A really powerfull soul or an immortal soul , like Aizen

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#24 Posted by Kalebsmarty156 (2515 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course^ aizen is multiversal.

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#25 Posted by baph (2271 posts) - - Show Bio

a stronger soul manipulator

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#26 Posted by Aristeaus (1227 posts) - - Show Bio

Resistance, magics designed to protect it, Immunities, having no soul, and general power level higher then the attack by a few categories.

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#27 Posted by TakenStew22 (2401 posts) - - Show Bio

Having strong willpower or immortality.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5d07416730d08 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

Madness.

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#29 Posted by Major_Hellstrom (18024 posts) - - Show Bio

Teleportation. Can’t get hit if you ain’t there

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#30 Posted by Rijehu (1834 posts) - - Show Bio

Soul Anchoring. Can't manipulate what you can't manipulate.

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#31 Posted by Rac95 (5051 posts) - - Show Bio

@immoralimmortal: Besides going for the easiest route of no soul/stronger soul manipulation, it all depends on different factors from both sides.

If the attacker destroys souls, multiple souls would only be a temporary protection to find a way to defend yourself.

If he on the other side tries to control souls, multiple souls could be a good counter

If physical contact is needed, superior speed, intangibility or even strength would help, just because you can't be tagged or break free.

Dimensional travel would be a good way to protect yourself, if you can transport your whole being in another plane of existence/reality.

Reality warping is also a good counter and time manipulation could stop your attacker dead on.

Superior power in general can be a way to protect yourself, but only if it is shown that the attacker has problems with stronger beings or that more power equals more resistance in the verse of the defender.

Protection through a deity/god etc. would also help (like Cyttorak for Juggernaut).

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#32 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3094 posts) - - Show Bio

Soul Manipulation Immunity

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#33 Posted by deactivated-5d065fa72d466 (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

Being Itachi

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#34 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2713 posts) - - Show Bio

Soul Manipulation resistance

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#35 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3867 posts) - - Show Bio

Soul manip resistance feats or raw power depending on the form of soul manip.

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#36 Posted by Contingency (8670 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say also having multiple back up souls could count as a defense

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#37 Posted by Kirkseven (3093 posts) - - Show Bio

A better question is, having no soul related feats, on what basis would you assume that a character would have any better resistance to soul based attacks than any other character with no established level of resistance to such attacks?

On what basis would one have to assume they're all the same? are we supposed to assume a featless Mosquito and a Skyfather (without soul feats) would all get dropped equally as easily due to a power like that?

This is one of those battles forum non-arguments that people make all the time, that a character wins automatically just on the basis of the fact that they're considered a powerful character regardless of context, no matter how specific it is.

I don't think anyone should auto win or lose due to being powerful, I do think it's unwise to assume characters can bring down people far exceeding anything they've shown the ability to take down because of weird fringe abilities/concepts some verses don't necessarily cover. (or cover that much)

Without any previous information about a character's "soul", attributing a level of strength for that specific characteristic is every bit as baseless as it would be to arbitrarily assume that characters have a certain level of physical strength, speed, or anything else. Is your argument that a character like WBH should just be automatically assumed to be resistant to such attacks just because they can win fights in other contexts where their other characteristics are relevant instead? What kind of reasoning is that?

Withoutany previous info, why would you assume they're all automatically the same? heck, it's assuming they have a soul, which may or may no be the case depending on the verse they're from.

Is your argument that a character with the right 'ability' can drop absolutely anyone who's never shown feats involving said power? 100% regardless of whether the character getting dropped is sub street level or skyfather level+ (statwise)?

It is basically just an arbitrary way to justify hastily calling fights based on reputation rather than actually considering the factors of a specific matchup.

No one is calling fights like that, some people just don't automatically assume random ass abilities can take out characters on a level far beyond what they've ever dealt with.

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#38 Posted by demonbane (109 posts) - - Show Bio

not having a soul

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#39 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (1816 posts) - - Show Bio

Willpower maybe

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#40 Posted by Reap_ii (424 posts) - - Show Bio

Eating butt-loads of soul food.

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#41 Edited by AbstractRaze (2819 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it would be a strong will, such like happened with Doomguy during Doom II: Hell on Earth (1994).

His sheer obsession to butcher Hell's army, drove him to his magnificent and legendary demonic massacre through the most disturbing slums of hell, those repelling hell's soul corruption on him.

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#42 Posted by zgtfreak (2199 posts) - - Show Bio

@kirkseven said:

@zgtfreak: I don't remember saying ''raw power'', power can mean a verity of things. No?

But now you have me curious. If there was a character (let's call him X4) that only has feats of manipulating and destroying the souls of ordinary human civilians, would you assume that X4 could take out characters like Saitama, Superman Prime or WBH? assuming said example characters have no feats involving souls of course.

A better question is, having no soul related feats, on what basis would you assume that a character would have any better resistance to soul based attacks than any other character with no established level of resistance to such attacks? This is one of those battles forum non-arguments that people make all the time, that a character wins automatically just on the basis of the fact that they're considered a powerful character regardless of context, no matter how specific it is. Without any previous information about a character's "soul", attributing a level of strength for that specific characteristic is every bit as baseless as it would be to arbitrarily assume that characters have a certain level of physical strength, speed, or anything else. Is your argument that a character like WBH should just be automatically assumed to be resistant to such attacks just because they can win fights in other contexts where their other characteristics are relevant instead? What kind of reasoning is that? It is basically just an arbitrary way to justify hastily calling fights based on reputation rather than actually considering the factors of a specific matchup.

Dang... You beat me to it and took the words right out of my mouth. Good job.

I made a thread pertaining to hax and NLF for my 2,00th post. You two may be interested; and consider this my response to Kirk: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/a-discussion-on-no-limit-fallacies-and-the-nature--2021706/

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#43 Posted by Yasindermann (1250 posts) - - Show Bio

Abilities, that can counter soul manipulation.

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#44 Posted by Nathaniel_Adam (3860 posts) - - Show Bio

Like telepathy, soul manip might be resisted with strong willpower.

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#45 Posted by PyroFN (6602 posts) - - Show Bio

In the same line of thought with @nathaniel_adam, a telepath can probably resist as well, being that their mind is a large part of their soul, which therefore means the soul can fight back.

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#46 Posted by GXrevs06 (4915 posts) - - Show Bio

Willpower

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#47 Posted by DarkDementor101 (540 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti-soul manipulation GG

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#48 Posted by gunchar16 (1882 posts) - - Show Bio

Stronger soul manipulation.

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#49 Posted by Capital-G (507 posts) - - Show Bio

Not having a soul, having a soul stronger than they can manipulate (like I imagine gods do), being better at soul manipulation.

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#50 Posted by APEX_pretador (21308 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam Warlock