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#1 Posted by Xy (279 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules:

  • Tartaros Arc base Wendy, no Carla
  • Morals on
  • No prep/knowledge
  • Standard gear
  • Location: Grand Magic Games arena
  • Starting distance: 30 meters
  • Strongest versions for RWBY characters, no Silver Eyes hax
  • Wendy is healed and rested after every round, but she cannot heal herself during a battle
  • Wendy has full access to Dragon Force for the final round only
  • Win by death or KO

Gauntlet:

R1 - Lie Ren

R2 - Sun Wukong

R3 - Coco Adel

R4 - Nora Valkyrie

R5 - Blake Belladonna

R6 - Weiss Schnee

R7 - Roman Torchwick

R8 - Ruby Rose

R9 - Yang Xiao Long

R10 - Velvet Scarlatina

R11 - Neopolitan

R12 - Penny Polendina

R13 - Pyrrha Nikos

R14 - Emerald Sustrai & Mercury Black

R15 - Team JNPR

R16 - Team RWBY

R17 - Winter Schnee

R18 - Glynda Goodwitch

R19 - Qrow Branwen

R20 - Cinder Fall & Ozpin

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#2 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@xy: that list is so out of order, it's almost cringy.

She can beat Ren, Blake, and Roman, probably a few others, but she won't clear.

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#3 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@xy said:

Gauntlet:

R1 - Lie Ren

R2 - Sun Wukong

R3 - Coco Adel

R4 - Blake Belladonna

R5 - Nora Valkyrie

R6 - Yang Xiao Long

R7 - Roman Torchwick

R8 - Weiss Schnee

R9 - Velvet Scarlatina

R10 - Ruby Rose

R11 - Neopolitan

R12 - Pyrrha Nikos

R13 - Penny Polendina

R14 - Emerald Sustrai & Mercury Black

R15 - Team JNPR

R16 - Team RWBY

R17 - Glynda Goodwitch

R18 - Qrow Branwen

R19 - Winter Schnee

R20 - Cinder Fall & Ozpin

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#4 Edited by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: What has Winter done to even claim she could be above Qrow?

Other than Stalemate a none serious Drunk Qrow who was messing around?

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#5 Posted by PyroFN (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: She wasn’t all that serious either until about near the end of their fight. Both of them were messing with each other, in spite of Winters rather stern demeanor.

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#6 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: if you watch the fight again, winter wasn't tagged once by Qrow. She showed superior skill, strength, and, just like how Qrow didn't use his abilities to the utmost level, she didn't even use her summoning glyphs to their fullest potential, as shown in the Vol. 5 teaser.

I don't think Qrow can fight a Grimm horde alongside a huntress who can match her in combat.

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#7 Edited by Xy (279 posts) - - Show Bio

Some were hard to place I admit, like Velvet and Torchwick among several others. But I tried to make the gauntlet as accurate as possible. Penny is not above Pyrrha for obvious reasons. And Qrow was toying with Winter hence why she isn't higher.

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#8 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: @sladerulez: Winter was clearly angry and actively trying to win while Qrow was drunk, using his sword and timing it for Ironwood.

By feats Qrow was beating (and would have beaten it not for Ruby) Tyrian who solo hunted Maidens, shredded Atleasean Bots during the Fall of Beacon and Ozpin clealry has large amount of faith in him.

Winter is inferior by feats (massively) and is implied to be inferior by the actual show.

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#9 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@xy: not really. The only reason she lost was due to being metal.

She showed superior strength and that bigass gun that blew away that aircraft.

Unless against some magnet based character, she is more powerful.

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#10 Posted by PyroFN (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: And yet she decided not to use her gliphs until he went for a heavy attack, in which you clearly see her smiling at him for missing an attack like that. Keep watching and you see her continuously smile everytime she gained the upper hand. She wasn’t taking it as seriously as you insinuate, not until the end when he starts to activate his weapon and she charges up for a final blow.

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#11 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: Which showed that without her Glyphs she barely had the upper hand against a Drunk None-Serious Qrow.

She was clearly arrogant and assured of her win.

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#12 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@xy: @chaos239: she was pissed with him, for insulting her, but she wasn't serious in the way she would act when fighting someone like Cinder, who she would go for the kill. she wasn't serious until she pulled her Sabre out. At that time, he was pulling out his scythe, seeing that he was being pushed back. That alone, puts her above Tyrian, who didn't push him that far. And, since when was sober Qrow superior to drunken Qrow? Especially when drunken Qrow was more impressive than sober Qrow.

And people who keep saying it was Ruby's intervention that made him lose, yet Ruby's intervention gave him the opening to get his weapon, and when Qrow and team RNJR tried to pull a team attack, only for Tyrian to fodderize all of them.

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#13 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: We have no clue how she'd fight someone like Cinder Other than she'd be hilariously stomped unless Winter>>> Ozpin?

He was going to get serious with his Scythe However he had shown no strain during the fight and was clearly messing around.

Tyrian Solo hunts Maidens, if anything that proves Qrow wasn't serious with Winter if he was going to pull out his scythe prematurely, considering it was a life or death Scenario that proves Scythe Qrow > Sword Qrow >= Tyrian > Winter.

Drunken Qrow messed around and had fun with Winter, a (nigh featless) pro Huntress while Sober Qrow was beating A Maiden Hunter.

We have no idea how Qrow was planning to get his weapon back, however his Sembalnce plus his superior skill and power clearly meant he could.

Out of all the characters I've mentioned.

Maiden Cinder > Ozpin > Sober Scythe Qrow > Sober Sword Qrow >= Tyrian > Drunk Qrow > Winter > Ruby.

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#14 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: @chaos239: arrogant is not serious, pissed is not serious.

She wasn't showing any sign of issue against Qrow, and Qrow didn't hit her once, while winter tagged him a bunch of times.

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#15 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: Pissed means she was far more serious than if she was calm.

All that proves is she is faster than a Drunk Qrow.

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#16 Posted by PyroFN (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: Drunk is normal for Qrow, as evidence of them saying he is always drunk. And she only used her gliphs three times, once to dodge a single attack, and the other two for her own attacks. The rest of the time she was dodging of her own skill and gotten the upper hand as much as he was.

Arrogant? Yes. Assured that she would win? Yes. Taking it seriously? The smiling says otherwise.

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#17 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: Drunk Qrow is inferior to Sober Qrow by feats.

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#18 Posted by Monstrous93 (773 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for Wendy?

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#19 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: you misunderstand, I mean if she faced against a major threat, she wouldn't go all out and serious.

Arrogant and pissed, while in military fashion. That is how she faced Qrow, meaning, although pissed, she wasn't that out of character for her. If someone like Tyrian, tried to kill Weiss, she would go for the kill there and now.

Tyrian doesn't kill Maidens with the amount of ease you are suggesting he does. He was sent to find the Maiden, and considering how he fought RNJR and Qrow, he was gonna lower her Aura before capturing her and taking her to Salem, instead of just poisoning her and killing her.

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#20 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@monstrous93: as a sky dragon slayer, Wendy has wind based abilities and self replenishing stamina, she can use the sky dragon roar, which Is a large wind based spiraling roar.

I'll give feats in a minute.

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#21 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: Yes, unfortunately we don't have those feats and have to judge her on her performance against Qrow.

She hasn't got feats to suggest she could kill Tyrian.

What ease? I'm stating it as it is. Tyrian solo hunts Maidens and Qrow was beating him.

This still suggests he could fight Maidens atleast on equal footing, that is better than any feat Winter has.

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#22 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: based off of what?

Sober Qrow struggled against Tyrian and lost his weapon, before losing his Aura and needing team RNJR to help him.

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#23 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: Featwise, a cocky, pissed off winter was holding her own and even winning against a drunk cocky Qrow. We have yet to see what a deadly serious Winter would do, and we already know a deadly serious Qrow struggled against Tyrian. We have no way to tell what a deadly Winter would do to Tyrian.

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#24 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: Exactly.

Qrow beating a Maiden Hunter >>> Winter holding off Drunk Qrow

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#25 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: @chaos239: that's still just stipulation, since we know Winter's more powerful than what she showed against Qrow. She barely used anything other than her two blades and no more than 4 glyphs.

If serious, she could have ragdolled Qrow via gravity glyphs.

Tyrian focuses on devastating and powerful strikes to break through someone's Aura and poison them. Winter relies on evasive maneuvers and counterattacks, while throwing her opponents off and surprising them.

Winter should be able to evade most of Tyrian's attacks due to being faster than Qrow, as you said, and Qrow is just as fast as Tyrian, so she should be faster. And a continuous hit and run tactic with several gravity glyphs and summonings should let her beat him.

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#26 Posted by AsianAntics (290 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree that Qrow is better than Winter. I also agree that Winter, like Qrow, wasn't taking it at all seriously. What I have a problem with is saying

@pyrofn said:

@chaos239: Drunk is normal for Qrow, as evidence of them saying he is always drunk.

Qrow wasjustintroduced as a character. We saw him two other times in the two earlier episodes at a bar when we originally meet him. We don't know anything about him at all. He's not a character, just someone (not) enjoying the Vytal Festival at a bar. He's mysterious but he's not a mystery. Our real introduction to his character is when he drunkenly stumbles into Beacon and destroys two of Winter's robot guards. Everything we learn about Qrow from that moment to when he calls out Ironwood in Ozpin's Council is blatantly humourous.

  • We learn his name is Qrow when Winter is confronted by him. Qrow as in Ruby's badass, teacher, uncle, fellow scythe wielder. (Backstory)
  • He openly mocks Ironwood (who people at the time hated) and Winter (who was shown as an even more uptight Weiss who worked under Ironwood. (Humour)
  • He's quite obviously intoxicated, and stumbles like a stereotypical 1990's drunk. (Humour)
  • He is very charismatic andshoves Weiss awaylike an unwanted toddler. (Humour)

AFTER FIGHT

  • Insults Ironwood numerous times while with the small council (Humour)
  • When Winter is dismissed, he looks at her like a smug kid who the adult likes more (Humour)
  • Even when he just comes in the room he tilts his head and raises his eyebrows with a shit eating grin on his face (Humour)
  • And of course, when Glynda says "He's always drunk!" and then the camera panning to Qrow taking a swig of his drink. (Humour)

There's a trend here of Qrow being used as light-comedy for the majority of the episode. This is no different. It's just a comedic moment, nothing else. You could say it's his culmination joke, with him being seen primarily with a glass/flask of alcoholic but it's just a joke. If you need anymore proof just look at him in Season 4. That's it. He's quite obviously sober for all the episodes, even 4 where it doesn't even seem like he's tipsy at the bar. So it stands.

@chaos239said:

Maiden Cinder > Ozpin > Sober Scythe Qrow > Sober Sword Qrow >= Tyrian > Drunk Qrow > Winter > Ruby.

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#27 Posted by PyroFN (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: Since when have we ever seen a sober Qrow? Qrow was confirmed to always be drunk.

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#28 Posted by PyroFN (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

@asianantics: Perhaps it is a little unfair to judge Qrow so early on, but considering we don’t entirely know what a sober Qrow looks like confirmed on the show, we can’t necessarily say he is any better sober. We can only go by what we are given and so far, for humor or not, the only thing given about Qrows state throughout the show is that he is always drunk, as if it’s by a normal basis.

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#30 Posted by PyroFN (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: Proof? Cuz if I’m not correct he was at a bar beforehand and carries a flask of alcohol every where he goes.

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#31 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: Are you joking?

Your reaching now wtf.

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#32 Posted by PyroFN (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: I’m reaching? Me saying that he carries around with him a flask of alcohol, seen on-screen right after Glynda says he is always drunk is reaching? No, we don’t see him bring it out, but we know he is still very competent while fighting so the reaching thing is wrong.

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#33 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: Your reaching massively.

Qrow would not be drunk In a life or death scenario to protect his Niece, we see literally no evidence suggesting it and we know for a fact he isn't an idiot.

Stop reaching.

Qrow > Tyrian >>>> Winter

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#34 Edited by PyroFN (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: You don’t know that. We barely get any character from him in season 4. He may care about his niece, but there is no evidence saying that he was aware of Tyrians presence until he met with RNJR. And clearly from the fact that he showed up at RWBYs school drunk, he isn’t against drinking in front of his niece. Like I said, he is perfectly capable of taking care of himself even while drunk. There was absolutely no difference in his fighting style from the instance against Tyrian in comparison to against Winter.

Stop accusing me of reaching.

Qrow ranking vs Winters ranking TBD.

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#35 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: My god.

Qrow knew Ruby was being hunted, hence why he was following them.

Your the one who's claiming Qrow was drunk, prove he was.

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#36 Posted by Watcher5000 (7480 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn said:

@chaos239: Proof? Cuz if I’m not correct he was at a bar beforehand and carries a flask of alcohol every where he goes.

That was the day before the fight though, by the that amount time he would have no longer been drunk.

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#37 Posted by Monstrous93 (773 posts) - - Show Bio

@monstrous93: as a sky dragon slayer, Wendy has wind based abilities and self replenishing stamina, she can use the sky dragon roar, which Is a large wind based spiraling roar.

I'll give feats in a minute.

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#38 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, here's the respect thread.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3cv3z7/respect_wendy_marvell_fairy_tail/

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#39 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: @chaos239: @watcher5000: @asianantics: OK, well, I leave and this happens.

When it comes to Qrow's character, it isn't that he's always drunk or that he only drinks on his free time. He drinks whenever he can.

Qrow, no matter the situation, will drink to his heart's content. This is shown not only when meeting up with Ozpin, but when meeting his sister. He is an avid drinker who drinks away the pain he has lived through. Right up to the point where, drunk or not, he can fight at full capacity. He never staggered or slipped when fighting winter. He staggered before fighting her, then cleaned up his act and got ready to fight. He pushed his hair back, a sign that Qrow's ready to fight, and began his battle.

There is nothing that suggests a drunken Qrow is inferior to a sober Qrow.

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#41 Posted by Watcher5000 (7480 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: @chaos239: @watcher5000: @asianantics: OK, well, I leave and this happens.

When it comes to Qrow's character, it isn't that he's always drunk or that he only drinks on his free time. He drinks whenever he can.

Qrow, no matter the situation, will drink to his heart's content. This is shown not only when meeting up with Ozpin, but when meeting his sister. He is an avid drinker who drinks away the pain he has lived through. Right up to the point where, drunk or not, he can fight at full capacity. He never staggered or slipped when fighting winter. He staggered before fighting her, then cleaned up his act and got ready to fight. He pushed his hair back, a sign that Qrow's ready to fight, and began his battle.

There is nothing that suggests a drunken Qrow is inferior to a sober Qrow.

When he was in the bar before his talk with Raven he was completely focused on watching over team RNJR and didn't order a drink, he only had a drink because Raven ordered one for him. So it is completely reasonable to think that if given a good enough reason he won't always be drinking.

There is nothing that suggests a drunken Qrow is inferior to a sober Qrow.

Seriously? Do you know how alcohol effects the mind?

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#42 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: The whole reason a human can't drink drive is due to t slowing reaction times down massively.

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#43 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@watcher5000: it does effect the mind, yes, but Qrow fought winter with the same finesse he did against Tyrian.

This means that he is either always drinking, or he has adjusted to alcohol so well, that he can fight just as effectively with or without alcohol.

And with that moment, I think he wasn't drinking mainly due to the recent events. We don't know how long Qrow was at that bar, while RNJR just made it to the hotel. He either: A. Already had a drink and the waitress took his empty cup away, or B. He just made it to that bar and hasn't ordered anything yet. All we do know is that he did ask for a double almost immediately after she left, despite the fact that he is still watching over RNJR.

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#44 Posted by passingthroughv2 (798 posts) - - Show Bio

Everybody forgets that alcohol in fiction affects everybody differently though I see drunk Qrow as non-serious Qrow.

Here are two chars stronger the drunker they get

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#45 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: proof of what? Him drinking in any situation? Ozpin and Raven were tense situations, but he drank anyways.

Qrow's drunken state not being inferior to sober Qrow? He fought winter with the same finesse he did against Tyrian. There's nothing that implies that alcohol stunts his fighting skill.

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#46 Posted by Chaos239 (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: We saw about 10% of his fight with Winter.

It's human logic and the body itself, your reaching for unknown reasons.

Qrow >>> Winter

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#47 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@passingthroughv2: exactly. Characters like Qrow can fight with impressive skill whether drunk or not.

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#48 Posted by sladerulez (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: and from what we saw annoyed, non-serious winter>= drunk Qrow.

You have not shown me how Qrow can get around her bigger summons and glyphs. All you have done is scale them. So I ask you: how does he get around her glyphs?

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#49 Posted by Watcher5000 (7480 posts) - - Show Bio

@watcher5000: it does effect the mind, yes, but Qrow fought winter with the same finesse he did against Tyrian.

The thing is Tyrian is above winter in power.

And with that moment, I think he wasn't drinking mainly due to the recent events. We don't know how long Qrow was at that bar, while RNJR just made it to the hotel. He either: A. Already had a drink and the waitress took his empty cup away, or B. He just made it to that bar and hasn't ordered anything yet. All we do know is that he did ask for a double almost immediately after she left, despite the fact that he is still watching over RNJR.

This doesn't even matter, because the fight against Tyrian took place the next day, and there is no proof that he had drank that day.

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#50 Posted by AsianAntics (290 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: Yes, but alcohol is still going to prohibit his full finesse. Just because he fights well drunk doesn't mean he fights just as well sober. Like it's alcohol. Conor McGregor drunk isn't as good as Conor McGregor sober. Also when they said proof, they didn't mean of him taking a drink. They meant proof as in of how he's just as good. That's how I interpreted it anyway.