Weakest Dragon Ball character who can beat esdeath?

@tdsx2: Yeah, I agree with you about the scaling and Roshi being moon level, but attacking someone without presenting an actual argument is just unnecessary.

@tdsx2: From what I know Toriyama is doing just fine my dude.

@tdsx2: Bro, you literally think Galand is moon level and are a running joke on this board. Don’t tag me with stuff like that.

@tdsx2: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/galand-nntsds-is-actually-a-moon-buster-confirmed-2109939/

@tdsx2: That’s your alt. I just went through your post history right now and you have multiple instances where you called Galand moon level so don’t try and lie

Ummmm...just my two cents, but attacks in DB must be taken into context, for example, Vegeta's sacrificial move in the Buu saga is a controlled AOE, why would he want to take the earth with him after his talk with kid trunks.

@tdsx2:

Yes, Roshi blowing up the Moon happened in the manga.

Roshi

Yeah the issue is you're conflating attack potency, the ability a small attack has to create a large amount of damage over a greater area, with AoE DC that is the area of damage something has. Special beam cannon has moon level attack potency, Piccolo Jr's attack might have had high attack potency and low DC.

Taopaipai

Kid Krillin yeah,

Pretty much I'd say possibly Kid Goku from RR Arc, since that Goku would be moon level as well.

@gelato_exotic

Someone is lowballing Roshi's feat. Of course. Don't worry.

@tomth31: Even if you think Roshi is moon level (he isn't), he still gets blitzed, frozen and shattered by Esdeath. I think @tauio is right, it literally doesn't matter if every single character in OG DB is moon level because they have no counter to time stop and being frozen, or simply bisected because their defense without Ki sucks.

I mean, Roshi spent like an entire minute powering up, and we know that DB characters can rapidly increase their powerlevel as seen in Piccolo and Goku's fight with Raditz:

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As you can see, Piccolo and Goku could rapidly increase their power over 4 TIMES through channeling. So Roshi did the same thing, this makes me question how you lot are all scaling these characters, very few characters directly scale to a buff Roshi honestly.

What I'm trying to prove here is that while sure, they MIGHT be moon level but NO WAY do they operate at that level casually! Plus, he's far too slow to keep up with her. Besides, I've seen no convincing argument as to why Piccolo Jr's final blast would have a higher potency than what was shown onscreen, nor any real debunk to nuke level KP that doesn't engage in egregious double standards. Freeze GG.

@lsoon23: Well said, My friend.

they are moon level but people don't realize the massive speed difference between comparing them to a much more faster character.

@lsoon23:

You know, whether or not we agree on who scales to moon level, I take back Roshi or KP being able to one shot Esdeath, I re evaluated her speed feats and that was objectively downplay on my end (as long she doesn't let them hit her and goes for the time stop and then gets to work, she should make it to 23rd Budokai at least).

What I'm trying to prove here is that while sure, they MIGHT be moon level but NO WAY do they operate at that level casually!

Fair enough, I can get behind this, obviously Buff Roshi wasn't casual whatsoever xd.

He is moon level. What the hell are you lowballing him for, there is a feat for this in Dragon Ball.

@lsoon23

How fast is Esdeath? And what are her abilities?

I already posted my reasoning but put that beside for now as it isn't relevant. See my first post on page 1 for an outline of what Esdeath can do. She can freeze people and stop time and is MHS.

Ok.

@lsoon23

I saw what you posted about them not being able to destroy the moon casually.

And now I have to disagree,

especially if we go to the King Piccolo Arc where characters are literally in the power level range of 260.

And if Jackie Chun/Roshi was able to destroy the moon, beyond its gravitational pull and radius, which isn't a moon level feat, it's a moon+ feat.

So then saying that characters who get exponentially more powerful than this, for instance Kid Goku in the Piccolo Arc, don't perform normal moon level (not moon+) feats casually should be a stretch and fallacy.

@tomth31: No, it’s simply a moon level feat. Explain why it’s a moon+ level feat because what you’ve just claimed needs to be backed up with proof; show me the science.

Kid Goku is not exponentially stronger than buff Roshi either.

Raditz

@lsoon23

Oh really?

So the divine water was not an exponential increase to Goku's power?

I just showed you the proof and science, the literal scans show that Roshi completely annihlated the moon into utter nonexistence. Which is a moon+ feat.

And Goku transcends this in the RR Saga, and then gets exponentially more powerful with the Divine Water. Which means that this Divine Water Goku can actually casually do a regular moon level feat casually.

@lsoon23: lol Rossi is moon lvl. It’s funny how you try to deny that.

And the downplay is real piccolo and pic jr bodies esdeath

Anyway ot: stops at kid goku who trained to move like lightning and scales above Roshi.

Even if she could stop time I don’t see how she can really cut into goku from what I’ve seen anyway.

@lsoon23: “Kid Goku is not exponentially stronger than buff Roshi either.”

Just saying even if kid goku was not wayy stronger than buff roshi he would still be strong enough to Horst Es death because of the increase in speed

@lsoon23:

You’re argument is centered around stronger characters not being able to replicate the feat while Piccolo destroyed the moon casually with one hand in the beginning of Z emphasizing Akita’s intent for how strong he wanted them to be.

The not holding back argument hold’s no bar in Dragonball since 1) A moon level attack on Earth would wipe out all life in the planet which was not the intent 2) Its been established throughout the series DBZ characters can limit the destruction caused by their attacks without lowering the Attack potency. What you think characters in the Android saga were getting hurt by anything less than continental level attacks?

Frieza took a full powered Kamehama from a Goku was was CLEARLY above planet level in damage output at that point.

So I suggest you stop comparing intentional damage to damage control situations in Dragonball. It’s not a solid case.

Only Goku stomps Esdeath

Roshi

freeze time and she still got finessed by akame.

I like how they try to downplay creating the moon but claim making a fking storming equivalent to a fucking a country buster. An storm even normal humans can survive.

She not even bursting city this fan calc is just getting out of hand.

she really have no feat that prove she can flat out tank a city bustering attack or even kilotons of tnt explosion.

exactly

@coldskin1: Why randomly tag me a month later bro you good?

Interesting, bump this funny thread to say that 23rd Budokai Goku solo the fodder verse with not even island level feats. Time-stop? How cute, her head gets blasted off by Goku's ki blasts. Esdeath is overrated fodder, this Goku oneshots.

Probably Roshi. King piccolo shitstomps her.

Jiren

@pepsichipbag: ok

@trafalgaralt: sup Syncroniam you still have yet post proves in multiple threads