Watchmen vs. Ultimate Knights

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MAIN RULES:

  • The available members in Watchmen team are Rorschach, Ozymandias, Nite Owl, Dr. Manhattan and the Comedian.
  • The available members in Ultimate Knights team are Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, Dr Strange and the Punisher (He is a member in Marvel Knights 616).
  • All the Ultimate Knights members are in their Ultimate (1610) Universe  version (nuff said).
 
 
 
 
 

Battle's Rules:

Rorschach vs. Iron Fist:

  • The fight takes place inside an abandoned house with all the furniture and objects/elements that are inside a normal house.
  • Rorchach has 10 minutes of prep-time, he is waiting for the Iron Fist in the kitchen.
  • The Daniel Rand is not going to use the Iron Fist.
  • Both are bloolusted.

Ozymandias vs. Shang-Chi:

  • The fight takes place inside Ozymandias penthouse.
  • No prep-time for both.
  • This is just a h2h fight.
  • Adrian Veidt is alone (no Bubastis).
  • Both are bloodlusted.

Nite Owl vs. Moon Knight:

  • The fight takes place on a building's roof.
  • They have all their normal equipment.
  • Both are bloodlusted.

Dr. Manhattan vs. Dr. Strange:

  • The fight takes place inside the Sanctum Sanctorum.
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  • Everything that they are able to do is allowed.
  • Dr Strange has 5 minutes of prep-time.
  • Dr. Manhattan has 1 minute of prep-time.
  • His atemporal perception is blocked with the magic of the Dr. Strange.
 

The Comedian vs. The Punisher:

  • The fight starts in an alley but they can go to the street too.
  • The equipment for both is two guns 12 caliber semiautomatic (30 shots with each gun), a knife and a grenade launcher with 5 grenades, they can also use anything in the street.
  • No prep-time for both.
  • Both are bloodlusted.
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#2  Edited By Avenging-X-Bolt

rorshach wins because he fights too damn dirty
i wanna say ozymandias 
moon knight rapes 
i wanna say dr strange but im not sure 
Punisher wins
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#3  Edited By Deadcool
@Avenging-X-Bolt:  Explain how/why are they going to win... (I should have posted that in the OP)
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#4  Edited By Avenging-X-Bolt

rorshach will probably suprise iron fist by gouging out his eyes of dumping boiling water in his face 
Ozymandias just seemed way too powerful for some reason, but then again Shang-Chi's the master of kung fu for a reason 
moon knight is just so much stronger and more vicious than nite-owl 
im still not sure about the doc manhattan/doctor strange fight  
and punisher  just seems like he would beat comedian to me not sure why, i guess hes more vicious and more serious.
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#5  Edited By Deadcool
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

" rorshach will probably suprise iron fist by gouging out his eyes of dumping boiling water in his face

What makes you think that he would not notice him?

i wanna say ozymandias 
...
Ozymandias just seemed way too powerful for some reason, but then again Shang-Chi's the master of kung fu for a reason 

So, who wins?
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#6  Edited By Avenging-X-Bolt
@Deadcool:
if the conditions were right rorshach could sneak up on him  
and ult iron fist dosnt seem to be remotely as good a fighter as 616 iron fist 
 
and i already said im not sure about the other fight
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@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

" @Deadcool: if the conditions were right rorshach could sneak up on him  and ult iron fist dosnt seem to be remotely as good a fighter as 616 iron fist 

 OK...

and i already said im not sure about the other fight "

I didn't understood what did you mean, sorry for that...
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#8  Edited By Deadcool
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
moon knight is just so much stronger and more vicious than nite-owl
Do you know that Nite Owl has more gadgets than Moon Knight, right?
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#9  Edited By Avenging-X-Bolt
@Deadcool:
i thought as much but i still dont see him having the chance to use them much
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@Avenging-X-Bolt:  Ok, I just wanted to know...
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#11  Edited By ReverseNegative

I love them both, but there is no way in hell that Rorschach is beating Iron Fist.
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#12  Edited By Deadcool
@ReverseNegative:  COOL, A different answer, what makes you think that?
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#13  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

This is Dr. Strange vs Manhattan, as nobody else from either team can stand against them.
 
That said, I say Strange wins.

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#14  Edited By Deadcool
@JediXMan: ... Did you read the OP?
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#15  Edited By ReverseNegative
@Deadcool said:
" @ReverseNegative:  COOL, A different answer, what makes you think that? "
Most of the Knights have powers, and most of the Watchmen don't.
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#16  Edited By Deadcool
@ReverseNegative:  Yeah but he is not using his Iron Fist, how do you think that he would deal against Rorchach inside a house?
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#17  Edited By MarvelJackAss433

where is silk spectre?
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I really want to coment on this battle but I don't read the Ultimate line and there is not enough info on the characters on their pages yet :(
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#19  Edited By Backflip

Ultimate Strange was totally pathetic in relation to 616 Strange.... Just to point out.

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#20  Edited By ReverseNegative
@Deadcool said:
" @ReverseNegative:  Yeah but he is not using his Iron Fist, how do you think that he would deal against Rorchach inside a house? "
Iron Fist is still a martial artist.
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#21  Edited By Deadcool
@ReverseNegative:  =) yes, good thought, lets see what the other users say...
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@MarvelJackAss433:  I don't wanted to use her, same with Spider-man and Daredevil, and Captain Metropolis, I wanted a fight between equals...
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#23  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@Deadcool said:
" @JediXMan: ... Did you read the OP? "
Sorry.
 
Ultimate Knights win in every round.
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@JediXMan:  No, problem...
Could you please explain your answer? How and Why are they going to win?
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#25  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@Deadcool said:
" @JediXMan:  No, problem... Could you please explain your answer? How and Why are they going to win? "
Because none of them are above fighting normal thugs. Nite Owl is out of shape. Rorschach is just a dirty street fighter. Ozymandias' best feat is beating said dirty street fighter.
 
Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, Punisher, and I'll even add Dr. Strange are better fighters than them (Strange was taught by Wong).
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@Donovan Montgomery said:
" I really want to coment on this battle but I don't read the Ultimate line and there is not enough info on the characters on their pages yet :( "
Here is all you need:
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@JediXMan said:

" @Deadcool said:

" @JediXMan:  No, problem... Could you please explain your answer? How and Why are they going to win? "

Because none of them are above fighting normal thugs. Nite Owl is out of shape.Rorschach is just a dirty street fighter.Ozymandias' best feat is beating said dirty street fighter.  Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, Punisher, and I'll even add Dr. Strange are better fighters than them (Strange was taught by Wong). "

-Yeah, but Nite Owl has more much gadgets than Moon Knight and he is skilled enough to defeat 5 armed thieves.
-Rorschach has high intellect and he is pretty good using improvised weapons, had a good education, he is good in gymnastics and boxing, and they are fighting inside a house.
-Ozymandias caught a bullet.

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@Deadcool:
Thanks, the only one I might give to The Watchmen is the battle of physitions (re: Drs.), otherwise the Knights have this.
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@Donovan Montgomery:  I see, How do you think that they could win in each individual fight?
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@Deadcool:
Personaly, I just think the Watchmen are just out classed.   Even Ozy vs Shang Shi. 
Like I said the only one I think stands a chance is the Dr.
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#31  Edited By Deadcool
@Donovan Montgomery:  I see, ok...
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Woah, some of the arguments here are hilarious. The ultimates stomp

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@brucerogers said:

Woah, some of the arguments here are hilarious. The ultimates stomp

All rounds?

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@laylah said:

@brucerogers said:

Woah, some of the arguments here are hilarious. The ultimates stomp

All rounds?

After further reading, I will say I am unsure about Strange vs Manhattan. 616 Stephen will clean his clock, but I haven't seen anything impressive from his ultimate version. What do you think?

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@brucerogers said:

After further reading, I will say I am unsure about Strange vs Manhattan. 616 Stephen will clean his clock, but I haven't seen anything impressive from his ultimate version. What do you think?

Ultimate Stephen is actually called Stephen Strange, Jr. and is the son of the original one with Clea. He's too immature and was kinda of a novice in the mystical arts as shown/said in Ultimate Marvel Team-Up#12, so I think prep might help him in here. He doesn't have many feats aside from defeating Nightmare in the Dream World with a bit of help from Wong( Which was still able to recreate many duplicates of Spidey's villains even in the real world during Ultimatum and shape the entire reality while inside of his domain) and has some cool feats against Xandu. He also has some minor feats like defeating Spidey by BFR'ing him and imprisoning Matt IIRC.

Anyway....Strange only hope if we discount Manhattan's new feats during Rebirth would be prep and Stephen still had all of his father's artifacts, so maybe can come up with something with Wong's help.

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@laylah: I see. Thanks for the info.

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@deadcool: moon knight stomps owl. None of the watchmen are even on punishers level of h2h.