Stop at 6. Ban can deal with Sakura for obvious reasons and I think current Meliodas can take pre-god amp Sasuke and Naruto with extreme difficulty, at least after Ban has stolen their physical stats and besides, he can come to assist Mel once he's dealt with Sakura.
Also, without limbo Madara shouldn't be above current Meliodas and Ban IMO.
Stop at 6. Ban can deal with Sakura for obvious reasons and I think current Meliodas can take pre-god amp Sasuke and Naruto with extreme difficulty, at least after Ban has stolen their physical strength.
Also, without limbo Madara shouldn't be above current Meliodas and Ban.
Kakashi is there as well.
Madara has ps and the gedo you could make a case for him being above them but lets wait and see where it goes from here.
@thenewguysnm1: Kakashi is fodder and gets his heart ripped out by Ban or is one-shotted by the shockwave of Mel's first attack.
As for Madara, sure he has Perfect Susano'o, but it's possible to remove him from it and without it, he doesn't compare to the SDS team at all. The Naruto team also has far more knowledge and a better powerset to deal with him opposed to the SDS team, which is one if the reasons I think they should be above him, Ban's hax and Meliodas sheer physical might, both of which they know nothing about, are more threatening to Team 7 in this scenario IMO.
@thenewguysnm1: Hm. Katakuri and the Archangels are fodder that current Meliodas alone can solo, except for Mael, but he's featless and you haven't specified the daytime or whether he's even there, so I'll ignore him for now.
However, Momoshiki, Kinshiki and Toneri(moon level beams, bruh)are too powerful, especially if it's fused Momo, so I'd say the bonus team still wins.
I think they likely stop at 9.Though 6-8 should give them a lot of trouble. Juubi yo should still beat this team without Minato/Tobirama/Allied Shinobi Force support.
@darthjhawk: How would they pass 8 though? SM Hashirama with Buddha can casually oneshot everyone except Naruto the moment the fight starts and Naruto is still clearly inferior to Hashi and subsequently gets smacked by 1000 wooden hands.
Actually, how would they even pass 6? Meliodas or Ban can oneshot Sakura and Kakashi with massively superior physicals, or, in Bans case, a heart snatch. At that point Ban can start stealing Naruto and Sasuke's physical strength and Meliodas can dominate them in CQC once he closes the distance, which he will, since that's his first move against any opponent in-character.
@thenewguysnm1: Hm. Katakuri and the Archangels are fodder that current Meliodas alone can solo, except for Mael, but he's featless and you haven't specified the daytime or whether he's even there, so I'll ignore him for now.
However, Momoshiki, Kinshiki and Toneri(moon level beams, bruh)are too powerful, especially if it's fused Momo, so I'd say the bonus team still wins.
You should've made 6. Meliodas + Escanor. But they stop either way at 6. Plus they didn't have any sealing techniques to seal Ban, until after Six Paths meeting.
The Naruto and Sasuke duo gave Juubito a run for his money. However, they only removed the Juubi from him with the help of the Shinobi alliance. They could stop at 7-8.
OP said,, "PRE GOD AMP" team 7.. means war arc after fight against Juubito and before Juudara
OP also said "PEAK" means MS Kakashi with Kyuubi cloak and Byakugou Sakura with kyuubi cloak
So..
- Pre So6P naruto (God Amp) is BSM naruto NOT BM naruto
- Pre Rinnegan sasuke (God Amp) is EMS sasuke ((V2 legged susanoo))
- Sakura (byakugou) and Kakashi (MS)
- and IN CHARACTER for naruto to give his friends his chakra cloak in war arc... because by feats he gave atleast 35.000 shinobi his chakra cloak to increase their jutsu, speed, dura, reaction etc ((example: hinata overpower Juubi's arm only with 1 normal Hakke Kusho,, fodder akimichi react to Juubi's arm speed and also hold Juubi's arm etc etc))
@thenewguysnm1: i edit my previous post ((post number #28)).. because you also said PEAK = Peak kakashi before God Amp (narusuke) is MS Kakashi with Kyuubi Cloak..
Please check my previous post again,, Post Number #28
@linglung: @kingzod OP just explicitly stated they start in base, but that they can power up if they want to/feel like it/need it. With that being said, how do they get past 6? Sakura and Kakashi are quite honestly fodder that get dispatched by either Ban's Fox Hunt, which takes out people's hearts, or the shockwave of Meliodas' first attack, which were capable of doing this back when he massively weaker than current(power level 3,370 as apposed to 142,000) and only used a stick:
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This is really important because in Seven Deadly Sins, someone can only output their full power if their using a weapon equipped to handle their strength, such as Meliodas' current one, the scared treasure Lostvayne. Neither Kakashi nor Sakura have ever taken a cutting attack on this level before, so they'd get killed just from the after effect of Meliodas' attack(or otherwise blitzed and oneshot if that doesn't do the trick), which leaves BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke against Meliodas and Ban.
Meliodas can easily dispatch both of them in a CQC battle on his own, whether they enter Susano'o and Kurama mode or not, since neither of him has ever dealt with physical power on Meliodas' level, since he was capable of doing this:
After taking a punch to the face from an almost noon Escanor(power level 114,000) and easily shrugging it off, he proceeds to punch him in the face so hard that he goes flying dozens of meters around the Perfect Cube and lies on the ground, heavily bruised, bleeding and essentially down for the count(if it wasn't for "The One", that is):
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This is by far the most impressive feat of physical power I've shown for Meliodas thus far. This is the case because nigh-noon Escanor, the character Mel sent flying dozens of meters with a casual punch, previously took Critical Over Galan's strongest attack, which was small Mountain level(cut 2 Hills hundreds of meters away with it's shockwave, despite almost all of the attacks force being absorbed by Escanor's body), and didn't even budge:
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This was also way earlier in the day(Escanor's power rises with the Sun), when his power level was only 50,060, as opposed to the 114,000 he had when he fought Meliodas. So, when you add all of these factors together it's quite safe to say that Meliodas striking power in Assault Mode(and consequently, his piercing power with Lostvayne) is at the very least on the high end of Multi-Mountain level, far beyond any physical attack BM Naruto or EMS Sasuke have ever had the displeasure of being on the receiving end of.
So, in short, Sakura and Kakashi get blitzed and one-shot by either Fox Hunt or Meliodas physical blows(or their after effects), then Sasuke and Naruto get engaged in CQC by Meliodas and subsequently stomped. Even if you want to argue that Naruto will go for a Bijuudama right off of the bat, which isn't at all in-character for him to do against someone he doesn't know, nor when the starting distance isn't nearly great enough to avoid the AOE tagging and hurting/killing Sasuke as well, which has shown to be a concern of Naruto's in the past, it couldn't kill Meliodas.
Regardless of that, Meliodas could definitely tank a Bijuudama or 2 regardless, seeing as to how he no-sold(yes, he had literally no damage marks on him) Gloxinia's first form spirit spear, which dwarfed a Labyrinth that was 8 miles across as well as a Mountain:
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Keep in mind that this is also a feat performed by a far weaker version of Meliodas(56k power level as apposed to 142k) and he absolutely no-sold this Mountain+ level attack, so tanking a Multi-Mountain level Bijuudama shouldn't be a problem either considering his increase in power since then.
Basically, there's no way Team 7 can pass Round 6.
@hittheassasin: You made that really hard to read sheesh lol. Anyways let's begin.
OP states basic knowledge so Team 7 would know not to mess around so them starting in base is highly unlikely, or at least starting the fight in base.
Sakura and Kakashi do have poor durability feats, and the former is a non factor but you're vastly overrating Ban here. He wouldn't be able to go for a heart snatch as he is far slower than Kakashi.
You also seem to assume that with basic knowledge Naruto wouldn't know to go straight for Meliodas, which is most likely what's going to happen. There brings about the real topic, BSM Naruto Vs AM Meliodas. Meanwhile Sasuke and Kakashi (both faster than Ban) take on Ban, and shifting his focus to either results in an immediate loss for him. Focuses on Kakashi, Amaterasu GG (it won't kill him but he doesn't have the pain level resistance to shrug it off) giving Kakashi a simple Kamui seal win for them. Focuses on Sasuke, Kamui GG.
Now onto the main fight. Meliodas outclasses Naruto in nearly all physical aspects except the probable most important one, speed. Meliodas wouldn't get a chance to engage in CQC properly if he's slower than his opponent and once Naruto notices his physical strikes aren't doing sufficient damage he opens his back pocket. Bijuu bombs.
Mel has the capability to tank and even Full Counter a Bijuu bomb. He just can't do anything about Naruto spamming it, which the ninja can do casually. Dozens to hundreds of clones all blitzing/bombing Mel is too much for him to handle, his measly four clones can't compete.
And I didn't factor in Sasuke and Kakashi coming to his aid once they're done with Ban.
@kingzod: Nice post. I'll respond in the morning, I've got like 3 different debates on Seven Deadly Sins going on right now and that's not including the CaV's, it's pretty hard to keep track of.
OP states basic knowledge so Team 7 would know not to mess around so them starting in base is highly unlikely, or at least starting the fight in base.
I didn't see the basic knowledge part, so you're right on this.
Sakura and Kakashi do have poor durability feats, and the former is a non factor but you're vastly overrating Ban here. He wouldn't be able to go for a heart snatch as he is far slower than Kakashi.
I don't know where you got this from, but Ban isn't slower than Kakashi. Besides, Ban doesn't have to be faster to take out peoples hearts, he can simply do so with a wave of his hand, which is definitely going to happen before Sasuke and Kakashi reach him.
You also seem to assume that with basic knowledge Naruto wouldn't know to go straight for Meliodas, which is most likely what's going to happen. There brings about the real topic, BSM Naruto Vs AM Meliodas.
Agreed.
Meanwhile Sasuke and Kakashi (both faster than Ban) take on Ban, and shifting his focus to either results in an immediate loss for him. Focuses on Kakashi, Amaterasu GG (it won't kill him but he doesn't have the pain level resistance to shrug it off) giving Kakashi a simple Kamui seal win for them. Focuses on Sasuke, Kamui GG.
I can agree that Sasuke will take out Ban, but Kakashi will already be dead at that point.
Now onto the main fight. Meliodas outclasses Naruto in nearly all physical aspects except the probable most important one, speed.
Agreed on everything except the last part, Meliodas is faster as well. As you probably recall, Meliodas easily blitzed Galan while he was weaker and Galan is fast, really fast, being able to jump out of Merlin's casting range of several miles before her teleportation spell could take effect:
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So, first of all, Merlins teleportation casting speed was able to completely blitz and outspeed Vivian's spell casting speed(she couldn't do anything about it at all), utterly humiliating her:
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Now, how fast is Vivian's spell casting speed? Well, the Sins didn't even know they were being teleported and couldn't hope to tag her before they were sent away despite being casually supersonic, so pretty damn fast. But precisely? At least Mach 10, since she was able to react to and cast her spells on Gilthunders lightning multiple times:
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Gilthunders lightning at the absolute least Mach 10(big lowball, it's more towards Mach 100), since it was able to come down from hundreds of meters in the sky in the time it took a casually FTE, superhuman character(Gil himself), capable of fighting on-par with and reaction to supersonic speed, to swing his sword down less than 1 meter:
So, now let us establish a timeframe for Vivian's spell casting speed. She was able to react and cast her spells on Gil's lightning after it had moved about 10 meters casually, so that's about 0.0028 seconds(10 divided by 3600) and Merlins spell speed was clearly faster than hers(despite her implying that teleportation was faster than her other spells), but, just to absolutely lowball, we'll give her 0.0025 seconds. Now, we now Galan jumped at least 3 miles, so we'll just establish a range of 3 to 8 miles to get a range of high and low-end, which gives us:
Mach 5,200 to Mach 14,300 and this is with plenty of lowballs in my "calcs", you can't complain about it.
If you don't like calcs, fine. Galan easily reacted to and lept out of the several mile range of a hypersonic spell before it could take effect, he's casually MHS+ and was blitzed by a weaker version of Meliodas.
Meliodas wouldn't get a chance to engage in CQC properly if he's slower than his opponent and once Naruto notices his physical strikes aren't doing sufficient damage he opens his back pocket. Bijuu bombs.
Except Meliodas is significantly faster than Naruto in actuality, so it would never even come to this secanorio.
Mel has the capability to tank and even Full Counter a Bijuu bomb. He just can't do anything about Naruto spamming it, which the ninja can do casually. Dozens to hundreds of clones all blitzing/bombing Mel is too much for him to handle, his measly four clones can't compete.
The problem with this assumption is that you think Naruto is going to launch Bijuubombs, with all their massive AOE, in the same general area Sasuke and(potentially) Kakashi are in, where they would surely die to the explosion. Basically, in this situation, Naruto won't use TBB's and subsequently gets stomped out by superior physicals.
And I didn't factor in Sasuke and Kakashi coming to his aid once they're done with Ban.
sorry,, but i can not speak for NNT because i left to far behind...
i said they stop at 9 because Juubito is in number 9... and by feats BSM naruto and EMS sasuke gave Juubito a run for his Money.. LoL
and please check on post number #30.. OP agree with me,, means this is BSM naruto with EMS sasuke ((v2 legged susanoo)),, and also In character for naruto to give his friends his Chakra CloakIF his friends want to help Him
Example:
35.000 shinobi want to help him fights Juubi + Obito + Madara?? he gave them his Chakra Cloak
Shikamaru, Hinata, Sai, Ino, Choji, Kiba, Tenten, Lee, Shino, they want to help naruto to fights Juubito??? He gave them his Bijuu Cloak
IN war arc,, naruto always give his friends his chakra cloak or even his Bijuu Cloak,, IF they want to help him to fight against strong opponent,, so why not now???
because i can not speak for NNT so i will summons NNT Expert and Naruto expert that i know
@hittheassasin: Kakashi has feats well above lightning timing reaction and movement wise so Ban won't even he able to tag him without Hunter Festival. Anyways a team up of Sasuke And Kakashi would beat him soundly so whatever.
In another thread you stated you believed characters like Doflamingo and Fujitora are faster than AM Meliodas yet Mel is somehow faster than BSM Naruto? Alright, anyways.
BSM scales far above his KCM and BM counterparts, the former's pure foot speed matches teleportation (Flying Thunder God) and the latter was able to casually back hand a barrage of TBB's (which can cross a country in seconds). BSM Naruto is superior to both and has an added boost of sensing, enhanced durability and no requirement for physical contact to damage his opponent.
Meliodas is in no shape or form faster than BSM Naruto.
That calc of Galan's feat is unreliable and you know it. No amount of scaling puts Mel above MHS+ which is BSM's ballpark through sheer superior feats.
He can apply the same tactic with simple Rasengans rather than tbb's. Mel just can't handle hundreds of MHS+ clones bullrushing him from all angles, and once Naruto slips in a Rasenshiruken that's game and match as Mel has no cellular level durability feats.
I think they stop at 6. AM Mel should be faster than Naruto actually. Merlin's teleport radius was shown to extend all the way to lioness from Camelot, which was a few hundred miles.Galand jumped out of Merlin's area of effect in a second before Merlin could teleport him. I remember the lowball was mach 1600 and Mel blitzed galan at about 1/4 of his current power. So Mel at PL 30,000 should be mach 24-3200. And this would make sense because later PL 60,000 Mel 's clone with a PL of 30,000 showed speed and strength equivalent to his previous strength before he died by fighting a full strength Fraudrin. Lostvayne allows Mel to split his stats inbetween up to four clones, so PL 60,000 Mel should be mach 48-6400. And that was Mel at about half of his current PL. On topic though, Kakashi and Sakura are fodder to ban, so they get snatched before Sasuke incaps ban.Mel goes for the physical strategies, full counters any BBs and tanks the ones that he cant. If he gets close it's over for Naruto and Sasuke gets fodderized during the crossfire or Mel finishes him after Naruto.
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