wally west vs nate grey

who'll win?

pre 52 wally west vs nate grey (before he lost his powers in new mutants)

vs

rules:

no hold barred (i.e no restrictions) .... both at the peak of their abilities .. morals off, out of characters, bloodlusted

battle on indestructible barren earth.

starts off from the other sides of the globe

Speedblitzzz old fashion way!

@lord44:

ok .. and how would he win actually? .. u have to give a winning shot u know..

-Infinite Mass Punch

-Speed Steal

-Speedblitz 'till the end of time

-Travel back in time and prevents Nate's born

@lord44:

nate doesn't need a physical body to exist.. can exist as pure psionic energy

can time manipulate himself

sees things in timeline view .. i.e frozen in time .. speedblitzing is really hard here.

@lord44: Nate can stop time and is a pure energy form, I don't think energy itself can be stolen. Physical damage will do nothing to him.

@ssj_god: In this case....

I think Nate should win. I'm by no means an expert on him.

Where's @dondave

@iragexcudder Why me?

@dondave: Because you're awesome!

@dondave: I respect your opinion and you know basically every character lol

Wally. Speed steal

@demonknights:

well .. speed stealing of a psionic energy was never shown u know

@iragexcudder Unfortunately Nate Grey is one of the few characters I know practically nothing about.

Then Flash wins for lack of Nate Grey's supporters

@ssj_god: speed steal makes all atoms stop

@lord44: Obama is obviously drunk, your argument is invalid

@demonknights:

well .. psionic energy is a kind of energy .. and as per simple physics .. energy isn't made of atoms u know

@iragexcudder: I don't think stopping the flow of time would affect someone who can naturally run against it's flow. Theoretically, if you view time like the common metaphor of a river.

@ssj_god: if it involves atoms, which it does, its not moving

@dondave: oh snap lol I'm still in the process, I gotta get some issues

@redmonkeyssj4: that's true. It would be interesting but from the TP that Nate possesses I don't see why he couldn't mind wipe him.

*inserts scan of Wally moving faster than thought*

i know .. that's why i gave this match up .. otherwise it would've been a stomp for nate ... i actually think wally would be able to move even in nate's timeline view

i'm not getting it .. how does an energy involves atom?

that's why i gave the match up .. otherwise it would've been a stomp in favor of nate .. i think wally can move even in nate's timeline view.

i'm not getting it .. how does an energy involves atom?

@ssj_god: he needs to think. He can't think if all atoms are stopped

@demonknights:

he can think while staying as a psionic energy ... which doesn't involve atoms ...

i know .. without appearance of an actual brain .. thinking isn't really possible in real world .. but this isn't real world :D

Guess it depends on if he starts in his energy form... wait, is he constantly in his energy form?

@ssj_god: he won't start in that form. he starts in human form. Speed steal stops atoms. He can't think ergo, flash wins

Also making a thread with a winner in mind is against the rules(I think)

And arguing for a character in your own battle is against the rules too

he can do this .. when his body is stopped (or possibly even dead)

i'm not arguing for an winner here .. i'm saying against a stomp here...

i think nate would have problem defeating flash aswell

i never create any thread thinking a possible stomp in my mind

@ssj_god: cool, so, no stomp but flash wins. Peace

ahh .. ok ... i never had any problem with personal opinions :D

Nate wins, he is a guy with a totally another league of power. Can stop time has TP and TK far above planetary levels, can stop time etc....

i see.. u said 'can stop time' twice :D

but i think stopping time won't work against wally ... with speedforce .. he can jump in time, any time, all the time :D

@ssj_god: good

Oh nice catch lol

he can't jump in time when the time is frozen, he is fast but that is unrelative to a guy who can control the continuity of time

@marlboroman:

yes.. but with the speedforce in his side, wally is not bound by the timeline actually.

Wally can't hurt or really even interact with Nate (i've seen Wally speed steal many things, but never psionic energy so I can't assume that Wally can) unless he abuses time travel.

@marlboroman: Wally is faster than the time manipulation itself. He'll be too fast no matter what, so nothing is stopping him from going back in time and utterly destroying Nate before he gets his powers.

Nate curbstomp

Stalemate. They can't hurt each other.

can't nate use tp?

@ssj_god: he'll speed up his brain.

how can that counter tp?

@ssj_god: Makes it harder for telepaths to keep up with his thoughts. It has allowed Flashes to resist telepathy from Grodd to Martian Manhunter

wow .. has it happened before? .. though i don't think like that he can resist nate forever .. nate is not so weak telepath u know :D

Grey