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#1 Edited by Firedude17 (1464 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals off for both, standard flight suit and equipment for both fighters. Falcon has Red Wing.

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#2 Posted by RBT (24973 posts) - - Show Bio

Sam can win if he uses Red Wing to sneak up and headshot Toomes. In a straight battle Vulture would win comfortably.

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#3 Posted by Vertigo- (16847 posts) - - Show Bio

Prolly falcon

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#4 Posted by AbelHsu (3533 posts) - - Show Bio

Falcon's tech seems superior.

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#5 Posted by Helloman (22068 posts) - - Show Bio

Falcon wins.

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#6 Posted by mrmonster (11709 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture

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#7 Edited by Firedude17 (1464 posts) - - Show Bio

@abelhsu: Y thou? Vulture has alien tech and remote-controlled flying abilities. Also a exo-suit with superhuman durability, a full face mask with oxygen tank.

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#8 Posted by AbelHsu (3533 posts) - - Show Bio

@firedude17: I mean by the level of sensitivity . The Vulture's wings are too big,not to mention that guy almost killed himself (so if Sam can shoot his wings right away and provide enough damage,there's a high chance that it'll explode),lucky that Peter saved him.

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#9 Posted by TheVivas (18560 posts) - - Show Bio

If we aren't giving Vulture his gun then Falcon.

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#10 Posted by Cerberus369616 (2155 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture seems faster, he was able to out speed that cargo plane pretty easily and I'm not sure I've ever seen Falcon move at those speeds. Bullets should be ineffective since Vultures wings were blocking them pretty easily from the FBI agents. The wings and claws were ripping through metal and concrete pretty easily so Vulture should be able to easily take Sam out if he gets a hold of him. Vulture takes it 7 or 8/10. Sam might be able to get the odd bullet into Vultures relatively unprotected body.

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#11 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5375 posts) - - Show Bio

@cerberus369616: Falcon does usually pack UZIs, which I think pack more of a punch than standard handguns. I assume those were the kinds of bullets Vulture was blocking with his wings?

And as for speed, remember that Falcon was in a chase with Iron Man and War Machine in Civil War, though IIRC Falcon was trailing behind Rhodes, so there is that.

As you said, Falcon could always shoot Vulture in the parts of his body where he's relatively unprotected. Given how many projectiles from the Helicarriers in TWS Falcon was dodging, he should be able to evade most of Vulture's attacks easily enough too.

Not saying that Falcon would definitely win, but I think he does have a chance.

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#12 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (12954 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture gave Spider-Man way more trouble.

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#13 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5375 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: True, though, Falcon is more likely to try and kill Toomes and not pull punches, and Vulture's costume is not totally bullet-proof.

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#14 Posted by Superhero24 (4693 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture's suite is faster and has a more powerful main gun. Falcon is way more agile though and has missiles. If he has morals off, he wins. If not, Vulture wins.

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#15 Edited by shroudofsorrow (5375 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: Except even a Morals On Falcon is willing to kill, which is why he packs guns. It might be more accurate to say that a bloodlusted Falcon would fare better, rather than Morals Off.

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#16 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (12954 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by Superhero24 (4693 posts) - - Show Bio

@shroudofsorrow:

yeah. A Falcon willing to use his missiles to kill. Any other version would be killed by Vulture eventually.

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#18 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5375 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I'm honestly thinking this can go either way. I mean maybe Vulture wins a majority, but I don't see him stomping or winning in a land-slide. It's true that Spider-Man beat Falcon, but remember that that was in an enclosed building where Falcon had less room to fly around and couldn't fly up as high as if he were not enclosed. This doesn't mean that he can't beat a Spider-Man level foe in an open area (or even enclosed, since that would logically hinder both of them).

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#19 Posted by modernww2fare (6437 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Sam can win if he uses Red Wing to sneak up and headshot Toomes. In a straight battle Vulture would win comfortably.

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#20 Posted by foxerdes (9274 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd argue that Falcon can take it.

As far as I know his maneuverability and dodging abilities are above Vulture's and he is much more experienced. I'm not certain how durable if Toomes but Sam can completely destroy metal with his projectiles.

@cerberus369616:

Vulture seems faster, he was able to out speed that cargo plane pretty easily and I'm not sure I've ever seen Falcon move at those speeds.

I'm not so sure. Both Iron Man and War Machine were unable to catch Falcon and those guys can achieve supersonic speed. Obviously they weren't moving that fast but I don't think that moving faster than cargo plane is out of Sam' reach.

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#21 Posted by Ultimate-Man (288 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture

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#22 Posted by imagein (836 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh yeah, Falcon did have missiles in Civil War. Welp, Falcon missile spams and blows up Vulture, since this fight is morals off.

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#23 Posted by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Vulture beat down Spidey rather easily if I recall, and Falcon lost just as easily to Peter in Civil War. I'm gonna go with Toomes.

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#24 Posted by buildhare (8363 posts) - - Show Bio

Sam

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#25 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@shroudofsorrow: future reference, Uzis do not pack more punch. The bullet determins this. Uzis are same 9mm as most law enforcement handguns.

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#26 Posted by Mutant1230 (5557 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture.

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#27 Posted by Sy8000 (34259 posts) - - Show Bio

Falcon missiles him.

Side note, I feel like Vulture had a showing against bullets I'm forgetting. If he doesn't Falcon could just shoot him.

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#28 Posted by Khael (15332 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Vulture that weak? Lol, Falcon's the biggest jobber in MCU too.

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#29 Edited by AngelJax (10710 posts) - - Show Bio

Falcon has missles. Vulture shouldn't survive that

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#30 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (15205 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Vulture beat down Spidey rather easily if I recall, and Falcon lost just as easily to Peter in Civil War. I'm gonna go with Toomes.

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#31 Posted by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Second viewing. Yeah, Vulture easily beat Spidey up.

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#32 Posted by The_Red_Devil (2618 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah , Vulture should win , he gave Spidey more trouble.

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#33 Posted by foxerdes (9274 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_devil:

Yeah , Vulture should win , he gave Spidey more trouble.

It's a poor way to determine the winner. Falcon is an entirely different opponent.

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#34 Posted by Stryzzar (396 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture takes this.

Falcon is more skilled, but Vulture's tech is far more powerful. An untrained Spidey was beating both Falcon and Bucky, and only lost due to getting caught off guard with Redwing. While Vulture regularly gives Spidey a lot of difficulty which was after Peter gained some experience.

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#35 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (17124 posts) - - Show Bio

Falcon has better reaction time and mobility, base speed isn't a factor since both are flying at jet speeds...fact is, one has guns, and the other has no armor on most of his torso...hes getting shot and he has no answer for Red Wing if Sam is shooting at him

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#36 Posted by john_doe_0897 (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture wins in a good fight

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#37 Posted by ThunderPrince (6438 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture, he has better gear.

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#38 Posted by Keenko (5173 posts) - - Show Bio

Could go one way or the other, they both have means to win

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#39 Posted by g2_ (10956 posts) - - Show Bio

@courtoftheowls said:

Well, Vulture beat down Spidey rather easily if I recall, and Falcon lost just as easily to Peter in Civil War. I'm gonna go with Toomes.

Since Vulture defeated Spidey, why is he in prison?

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#40 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (15205 posts) - - Show Bio

@g2_ said:
@thor_parker82 said:
@courtoftheowls said:

Well, Vulture beat down Spidey rather easily if I recall, and Falcon lost just as easily to Peter in Civil War. I'm gonna go with Toomes.

Since Vulture defeated Spidey, why is he in prison?

Because the suit exploded and left him injured lol.

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#41 Posted by g2_ (10956 posts) - - Show Bio
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#42 Edited by webinyoureye11 (5042 posts) - - Show Bio

Falcon

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#43 Posted by deactivated-5b60e98a8eb99 (11593 posts) - - Show Bio
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#44 Posted by g2_ (10956 posts) - - Show Bio

@jucaslucasa: Spidey was injured too from the fall, but Vulture was the one who went down.

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#45 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (15205 posts) - - Show Bio
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#46 Posted by Khael (15332 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, Vulture. This Falcon wank amazes me, he's nothing more than MCU jobber.

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#47 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture stomps,.

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#48 Posted by Prezilla (674 posts) - - Show Bio

Falcon

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#49 Edited by deactivated-5bb6a6f86dc65 (4972 posts) - - Show Bio

To be fair, Falcon was doing just fine against Iron Man.

Toomes wins but he doesn't stomp, it'd be a hard-fought battle.

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#50 Edited by Sy8000 (34259 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Falcon. Peter was ridiculously overplayed compared to his own movie in Civil War so I don't even take that fight seriously.