wow undre is back... and even more retarded than ever. "outer space" is just parts of the universe. its not like gremmy created portions of outer space that spanned a freaking universe, just some small planet-sized spaces. and again many seem to forget that the soul king has lost all his powers by the start of bleach and has become a literal corpse weaker than even a normal human (he doesnt have the almighty anymore and he cant even react to anything/move). and yhwach absorbed a powerless shell/husk that didnt resemble the past "universal" prime soul king in any way. so he basically absorbed a sub-regular human dump.
again noone is universal in bleach other than arguably the prime soul king end of debate. also noone is mftl, including the "universal".
wow undre is back... and even more retarded than ever. "outer space" is just parts of the universe. its not like gremmy created portions of outer space that spanned a freaking universe, just some small planet-sized spaces. and again many seem to forget that the soul king has lost all his powers by the start of bleach and has become a literal corpse weaker than even a normal human (he doesnt have the almighty anymore and he cant even react to anything/move). and yhwach absorbed a powerless shell/husk that didnt resemble the past "universal" prime soul king in any way. so he basically absorbed a sub-regular human dump.
Assuming is all your doing🙂 u cant debunk it so u make shit up. its stated to be outer space not a portion. Are okay? Its not like the existence of his dead corpse kept the worlds together.
again noone is universal in bleach other than arguably the prime soul king end of debate. also noone is mftl, including the "universal".
they been ftl the number 9 espada reacted to sun light auswhlen was calced at mftl. The x-aixs is beyond the concept of reacting its immeasurable. Aizen moved in a void thats inaccessible. Kotosu also immeasurable can send plp to different time periods
they been ftl the number 9 espada reacted to sun light
No. Aaroniero would have to dodge the sunlight from almost point blank range to make him FTL, however since we don't know how far light had traveled before he realized there's a hole in the wall, the distance we assume for safety measure is between Aaroniero and the actual hole.
auswhlen was calced at mftl
This has never been the case and even then Liltotto's speed=/=Aushwahlen's speed.
The x-aixs is beyond the concept of reacting its immeasurable
Infinite* and that's just the speed of the "projectile", that doesn't change anything.
Aizen moved in a void thats inaccessible
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, however it has to be explicitly stated that time doesn't pass/is erased from said space to assume any kind of speed and even then It'd simply result in resistance to time hax since nothing would support such levels of speed at any given point in the series.
Kotosu also immeasurable can send plp to different time periods
While Kototsu can time-paradox whoever it comes in contact with, the speed at which it operates was never mentioned.
@wanderez: it will still be close to LS and their are plp many times faster than him
If we scale ichigos shunpo speed of ichbies whos obviously slower than him. It took ichigo 9 hours going sub relativisc speeds. Asuwalen went the same distance in secs its easily mftl
So you agree its infinite? Okay the zero squad reacted to it so infinite speed
It saids if chased by it you would be throw into a different time period that would be immeasurable speed. Which is movement to different time periods or timelines
@wanderez: hax>stats isn't true unless they are conceptual/metaphysical. low tier matter manipulation are called hax, but they wouldn't do shit to characters who have shown resistance. same goes for the former as well.
Yo, sorry for tagging you guys but I'm lost here. I'm hoping one or two of y'all can break the reasonings behind the universe+ bleach. I tried reading through the doc and thread it got accepted (tbh I skimmed through em real quick) and didn't understand a few things like :
Why is the WoTL and SS regarded as time spaces and not planets as they were likened as such in the novel? Especially when its been consistently been noted as planets in the series (hell the name SS is directly referring to the planet) . There's also the fact that the Garganta was said by Urahara to connect SS, WoTL, HM and space time together? (Now this might sound dumb but.) If the SS, WoTL and HM were regarded as Time spaces respectively why would Kisuke bother mentioning space time at the end of it?
Why was the dimension of both the soul society and WoTL considered Universe sized each? Especially considering the fact that there was only 1 universe in the very beginning and there's no record of it being severed, best I could get from all that was that they got shut from each other by the PSK? Hell there's even a statement (IIRC) along the lines of when the Universe tilts, the worlds spill into the others?
Why is vegetable SK who was basically a husk being compared to his prime self with Uni+ dura (which tbh still makes no sense to me)
I remember seeing a scan in that thread detailing Yhwach was only going to erode/remove the boundaries separating the realms. Why wasn't that even considered at all?
I'm only asking these questions because it seems you guys have a pretty good understanding (that's how in I at least see it) on how the Universal+ was gotten for the verse and the fact I'm not well versed on scaling universe level and beyond ("I shall seal the heavens" gave me headache lmao) If you do not , please feel free to ignore me. I'll probably try to find some time in a week or two to read through it
They aren’t actually saying Ichigo is as strong as MUI Goku or Beerus. They’re putting him at low 2C which has MUI Goku and Beerus yes but they also consider TOP KKx20SSB Goku and Golden Frieza Low 2C. They probably think he’s on that level.
They aren’t actually saying Ichigo is as strong as MUI Goku or Beerus. They’re putting him at low 2C which has MUI Goku and Beerus yes but they also consider TOP KKx20SSB Goku and Golden Frieza Low 2C. They probably think he’s on that level.
the fact that ichigo is in the same tier as KKx20SSB Goku is still ludicrous.
@naruto_buster: Ok yes yahwach and ichigo are universal in the bleach verse but we have to consider what website vs battle is. ichigo is outlcassed by the vast majority of chracters in the multiversal tier. Him being that tier on a power scaling site is basically a empty title as he can never beat the vast majority of other chracters in that tier without the use of headcanon arguments like him using rc to beat goku.
@the_alchemist01: I’ll try to answer but I am on mobile so I won’t be able to show scans.
1. In the manga it is stated that the garganta is like the outerspace to the dimensions. The Dangai which is the way to access this dimensions is separated with its own time and space from the other dimensions. Isshin explained this part to Ichigo before he fought Aizen.
2. Correct there is a statement that says the universe in Soul Society (the Reishi universe) will spilt into the World of the Living. The Kishi universe) In other worlds the spiritual realm would spilt into the real world. The early manga and databook says that both Soul Society and the World of the living are parallel to each other. The world of the living was called a dimension in one panel of the manga too.
3. The Husk is in a permanent stated of Stagnation after his arm of “Progression” and “Regression “ were cut off from his body. He remains stagnated with his Reiatsu as if he was both alive and death. I’ll use a similar example so it is easier to understand. Is as if he has no past or future. He can’t get weaker or stronger.
4. You may have written or worded that one wrong because I don’t remember Yhwach removing any barriers between the worlds. Do you mean the Soul King? The sealed husk was created. The being inside of it was given the tittle, Soul King. The original five nobles wanted a God they could control. One that would never get angry and undo everything he did. In a nutshell they fear his power.
You can read the entire lore of the Soul King in this images. https://imgur.com/gallery/xjKCnCi
@ob1toe: what is rc? And I really don’t care about his tier or the other characters. I am just simply trying to explain what is written in the manga and light novel to others.
@bossmountain: just how Yhwach canceled a shockwave inside Muken, infinite size dimension?
Muken isn't infinite tho.
Back in Chapter 523, Unohana stated that Muken stretches on infinitely when she was training with Kenpachi. infinitely. but same was said about the physical universe in DBZ . and heaven and hell are all the same size. So i guess it's 3 infinite dimensions.
@naruto_buster: soul crush. their was a vs battle poll on goku vs ichigo and that was a major argument. Imo ichigo should be multi planetary tier wise at most. As the 2 tier is usually for high end reality warpers and chracters who can bust timelines.
@bossmountain: the light novel confirms twice that Unohana statement is correct. Muken is in did infinite. First is stated by the narrator and the second time by Aura who was stated to be on the level of Aizen with her capabilities and is able to manipulate Kishi and Reishi at will.
@bossmountain: just how Yhwach canceled a shockwave inside Muken, infinite size dimension?
Muken isn't infinite tho.
Back in Chapter 523, Unohana stated that Muken stretches on infinitely when she was training with Kenpachi. infinitely. but same was said about the physical universe in DBZ . and heaven and hell are all the same size. So i guess it's 3 infinite dimensions.
Muken is Infinite though. It's an infinite dimension under the soul society. I believe the Novels had something so say about that and I wouldn't doubt Unohanas words.
DBZ is another verse entirely. You could say something else about that.
Heaven, Hell? What?
Hell in Bleach isn't exactly Infinite but it could be argued to be as it's eternal and always holding souls for all of eternity.
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