(VOTING OPEN) CaV: Urashiki and Kaguya Otsutsuki(EpicHotFlame) Vs Immortal Shion(RikuYamaha)

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#1  Edited By RikuYamaha
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Battle rules

Strongest forms of Kaguya and Urashiki

Vs Strongest form of Shion(Web/Light novel)

Canon Feats only.

All In Character.

Shion is able to use her shared abilities from Rimuru.

Kaguya and Urashiki have 30 minutes of prep time.

Battle takes place on the Naruto Earth.

CaV Rules

This is a CaV, so please, vote on who made the better argument, not on who you think would win.

Any bias will not be countered in the votes.

Any disrespectful or Mean comments will be Asked to be deleted, if refusal, a Mod will be sent to delete it.

For Votes, say T4V

To be tagged for posts, say TAEP

that is all.

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@Epichotflame

Is this good?

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@rikuyamaha: yh its good, btw do u wanna start first or?..

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#5  Edited By EpicHotFlame

@rikuyamaha:

sure gimme time to prepare especially cuz im using 2 characters

imma start Kaguya's today tho depends

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@epichotflame: can you tag people so more people will TAEP or T4V. I'm on mobile so I can't really @ people

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KAGUYA OTSUTSUKI THE GOD OF CHAKRA

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  • Strength
  • Speed
  • Durability
  • Powers/hax
  • Conclusion/Role she plays

STRENGTH

Hmmm Kaguya is physically underrated tbh but lets get right to it...

Kaguya rarely uses her hands for combat, she has mostly shown physical feats with only her hair.

  • Kaguya used her hair to grab Naruto and Sasuke and casually throw them several meters away, this is impressive cuz i cant imagine someone's HAIR having the strength to that:
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Kaguya effortlessly pierced through Sasuke's susanoo and when used in conjunction with the Byakugan can puncture the vital pressure points of her enemy which will cause immobilization to the victims:

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well this is very impressive cuz susanoo are almost indestructible, stated to be the absolute defense, the only instance we saw a susanoo's part break off was when Tsunade used her enhanced chakra punch on it, i believe its only a powerful energy punch that can budge through a susanoo, we have seen it no selling a tailed beast bomb a couple of times but one example of that was when Naruto and Sasuke clashed and the tailed beast bomb from the clash completely engulfed both Sasuke's full susanoo and Naruto's kurama mode while completely dwarfing multiple mountain ranges and they recieved no damage from it:

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and we have seen weaker versions vaporizing mountains with the force alone:

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Naruto's ninetails chakra cloak (not upto the susanoo's absolute defense) with the shinobi alliance being covered by it absolutely took no damage from Obito's 4 juubi bombs enclosed in a barrier:

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and we have seen just one juubi bomb from an incomplete first form ten tails obliterating a city in an instant and that same Obito had access to all the juubi forms:

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we have also seen the cloak tanking ten tails tenphechii with no damage, susanoo which is more durable than said chakra cloak can tank attacks above this level:

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same tenphechii caused this massive crater (btw the divine tree come out after the attack happened):

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mountain sized depth of the crater:

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this should put her physical HAIR strength at country lvl in AP cuz she was able to EFFORTLESSLY pierce through a susanoo that can withstand tailed beast bomb (a city+ lvl of destruction) with no damage, now this is very crazy cuz normally ur hair should be weaker than ur fist, now imagine what her fists could do.

SPEED

Kaguya is definitely faster than Naruto and Sasuke who both equally have light speed reactions with relativistic+ combat speed

She handled an omni-directional assault from multiple Narutos who is relativistic+ in combat speed in a hand-to-hand combat:

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she easily dodged Sasuke's teleportation enhanced surprise chidori:

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in conclusion, she was basically blitzing the team on many occasions, her reaction speed should be ftl and combat speed should be atleast light speed.

DURABILITY

Well kaguya's durability is separate from her godly regen and immortality, kaguya tanked Naruto's super tailed beast rasen shuriken with no damage done:

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we have seen a weaker version of the super tailed beast rasen shuriken called tailed beast rasen shuriken with out "super" in it lol which Naruto used to obliterate Madara's country frost meteorites so Kaguya's durability without regen is atleast country+ lvl:

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POWERS/HAX

  • EXPANSIVE TRUTH SEEKER ORBS

This is an ability that expands the truth seeker orb without limits able to disintegrate both the body and soul when in contact. The truth seeker orbs can also be used to nullify attacks, can be shaped into any thing offensive or defensive.

this is a truth seeker orb stopping a soul attached to a vessel from regen:

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Kaguya wanted to destroy her entire dimension with it:

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and each of her 5 dimensions contains satellite bodies like stars, moon, sun, etc and she wanted to destroy her entire dimension, this feat alone should put Kaguya's DC and AP at solar system lvl - star+ lvl:

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  • INFINITE TSUKUYOMI

A planetary genjutsu that can put the entire world under her illusion:

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  • GOD: NATIVITY OF THE WORLD OF TREES

This is a jutsu that produces tree roots that spreads across the planet to enslave victims and subject them to Kaguya's authority. Once caught they are bundled and have their energy/chakras absorbed while being transformed to white zetsu and used as part of her army.

  • EIGHTY GODS VACCUM HAND

Kaguya can create multiple massive hands made of pure chakra, one hit was potent enough to completely shatter a full susanoo which could withstand a tailed beast bomb (city+ lvl of destruction). This attack would be atleast counrty+ lvl in AP for being able to EFFORTLESSLY shatter it with one blow:

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  • AMENOMINAKA

Kaguya has the ability to instantly switch b/w 6 of her dimensions without the victim realizing

the only dimensions that would be effective against Shion are:-

the ice dimension where she will get flash frozen:

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or in the gravity dimension where Shion's whole body would be pulled down due to extreme gravity and makes it easier for Kaguya to target her.

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  • ALL-KILLING ASH BONE

An attack that fires multiple ash bones from her body as projectiles, when hit the victim will start disintegrating into ashes and any form of healing or regen wont stop it from disintegrating u into ashes, they tried from sakura expert lvl of medic ninjutsu - naruto's sixpath instant healing (naruto healed kakahi's eye instantly by just touching it and saved guy from completely deing due to 8 gates)

This is what happened to Obito after he got hit:

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  • BLACK RECIEVER

This is a black rod that can be used to immobolize victims while their chakra/energy is being absorbed and its extremely spammable too.

  • BYAKUGAN

Kaguya is the first person to ever wield the Byakugan, thus she has all of it's abilities. The Byakugan is on of the 3 great Dojutsu (others being the Sharingan and Rinnegan). Using the Byakugan Kaguya gains near 360 degree vision and able to also see through objects or bodies.

NOTE: The above was all done in base form.

  • TAILED BEAST MODE

Combined with the Divine tree, Kaguya is able to transform into ten tails at will, even though we only got to see the unstable transformation due to Naruto's super tailed beast rasen shuriken causing a reaction to her chakra.

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She can transform into the same Ten tails that was causing continental devastation throughout the world.

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CONCLUSION/ROLE SHE PLAYS

Kaguya is the main powerhouse b/w the duo and can probably tank any destructive attacks from shion, can put shion under genjutsu and Kaguya has the best offense for an immortal like her, truth seeker orbs. I dont really know my opponent well, so i cant say much.

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@rikuyamaha im done with Kaguya's, still got Urashiki's to do

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@epichotflame: ok take your time. I'll come up with my post once your done.

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Lol the way that horn lines up with the sword...

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URASHIKI OTSUTSUKI

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  • Strength
  • Speed
  • Durability
  • Power/hax
  • Weapons
  • Conclusion/Role he plays

STRENGTH

Base Urashiki flexed and broke out of the Grand sand moseleum seal, a powerful seal used by Gaara, to break out of a seal, especially a powerful one like Gaara's, takes great strength:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX7P-6BHBgk

Base Urashiki is far superior to Juubi Obito who broke deity gate seal (a far superior seal than the grand sand moselum) and the same Obito who's shockwave alone from just 1 blow to the ground wiped out a city+ size shinobi army amped with Naruto's ninietails chakra cloak:

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Same deity gates broken by Obito was able to completely hold down the juubi who was able to lift mountains and split lands like its a casual thing:

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The above puts Base Urashiki's full strength on city lvl in AP, in his transformed state, he should be much more stronger.

Transformed Urashiki created a massive crater by just landing on the ground:

(watch from 17:33-17:40) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2f7YJ3sc_c

SPEED

Urashiki is unseeable when it comes to his raw speed, he scales above Naruto, and Sasuke who are eqaully relativistic+ in combat speed with light speed reaction speed.

Base Urashiki, dodged a tailed beast bomb blast point blank:

(watch from 2:05-2:24) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qmct5ufTG8

Base Urashiki reacted to Gaara sand's quick suprise attack from below:

(watch from 0:59-1:08) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgrHMSU3z3c

the same sand was fast enough to react to a point blank explosion:

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later on it reacted fast enough to protect a city from a city size explosion at point blank.

DURABILITY

Transformed Urashiki tanked kirin, there is the kirin that hits Urashiki:

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this is impressive cuz kirin, a dragon shaped lightening was able to obliterate a mountain instantly:

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he was also able to tank a more potent rasengan from Jiraiya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2f7YJ3sc_c (watch from 19:14-19:29)

and took no damage from Jiraiya's flame bombs, rather he ate it after the hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3dR7qIV4U (watch from 1:42-1:51)

he showed high heat resistance from both kirin and flame bombs and tanked an extreme force that broke sound barrier in the proccess from a more potent rasengan

POWERS/HAX

  • AMENOSUBARUBOSHINOMIKO

By swinging his rod, Urashiki launches a large barrage of chakra hooks at his opponent. NOTE: Urashiki has the ability to immobolize his victims with the hooks, so a barrage of them means multiple immobolizing hooks.

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  • AMENOSUBARUBOSHINOMIKOTO: GYOKKO

This is an attack of purple energy burst unleashed in a variety of ways, including a powerful shockwave or a ball of great concussive force. Its a weaker version of the Ryugu.

(watch from 3:00-3:06) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3dR7qIV4U

(watch from 3:22-3:34) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3dR7qIV4U

  • AMENOSUBARUBOSHINOMIKOTO: RYUGU

A massive purple ball of energy is then unleash, followed by a immense demonic purple serpent. Urashiki was able to over power Boruto + Naruto's ninetails enhanced combined massive rasengan, just Naruto's tailed beast rasengan alone could do this:

(watch from 3:35-3:47) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3dR7qIV4U

Boruto + Naruto's ninetails enhanced combined massive rasengan is several times stronger than that and Urashiki's Ryugu (should be comparable to tailed beast bomb, if u ask me) was several times bigger and overpowering it like nothing for a moment till he was distracted with sasuke's kirin and Jiraiya's giant rasengan. This should put the DC and AP of that attack on at least city lvl.

  • BLACK RECEIVER

This is a black rod that can be used to immobolize victims while their chakra/energy is being absorbed and its extremely spammable too.

  • TOMOE RINNEGAN

Base Urashiki's tomoe rinnegan has the ability to relive the same moment in the future over and over again while choosing the best possible option that will positively affect him in the present, while doing this, it looks as if he is instantly teleporting, he was able to dodge all attacks thrown at him:

(watch from 14:24-14:31) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2f7YJ3sc_c

He can "walk" forward through time, when he does that his body hides in the "time zone" and able to do all he needs to do some minutes into the future and come back to the present in an instant which means anything he changed in the future wont affect him in the present, to his opponents he looks like he is instantly teleporting, so basically, he is faster than everyone thats outside his zone.

  • BYAKUGAN

The Byakugan is on of the 3 great Dojutsu (others being the Sharingan and Rinnegan). Using the Byakugan, Urashiki gains near 360 degree vision and able to also see through objects or bodies. Also, i noticed in Boruto Anime, most Otsutsukis talks about how they can see the future and ppl's destiny, so seeing the future and destiny is part of the Otsutsuki's byakugan ability

WEAPONS

  • PALACE OF THE DRAGON KING

This is a small black box that spreads a type of gaseous substance, once its in contact with the victim's body, their entire body will be completely frozen in time for 10,000 years, Urashiki used this on Toneri:

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  • RED CHAKRA FISHING ROD

This is a fishing rod, Urashiki uses to pull out a massive amount of chakra/spiritual energy from the victim's body instantly, he has shown to be able to use the techniques of said stolen chakra. The one that i recall that would be useful in this fight would be Nara clan's shadow possession technique cuz its a technique able to immobilize people through their shadows.

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He was able to disgrace a master swordsman like Chorijrou and call his skills weak, the fishing rod should be comparable to Kinshiki's red chakra weapons in striking potency as it is both made of the same red chakra. Kinshiki being stated in the databook to be able to split worlds, its believable cuz we have seen a weaker member, Toneri being able to slice the moon by accident.

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CONCLUSION/ROLE HE PLAYS

Urashiki isnt much of an offensive type, he is more on a defensive side but shouldnt be underestimated due to his hax. Either Urashiki freezes her in time or the team can just immobolize her (Kaguya with her black receiver and tso and Urashiki with his black receiver and fishing rod) and do whatever they want with her, they can open up portals from all angles surrounding her and spam black recievers + the other immobolizing objects.

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@rikuyamaha said: damn plss destroy this dude. Ur high balling and sailing wrongly flame. Dont worry when riku counters u will know how bad ur scailing is🤣
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@eazy2002: thanks for the support, but please no insults, i want this to be a friendly match.

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@eazy2002: thanks for the support, but please no insults, i want this to be a friendly match.

Ok

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#30  Edited By RikuYamaha

Well,i am sorry it took me a while to finish this up, but i will finish it even if it's on mobile. So sorry if it looks bad.

The Immortal War Goddess-Shion

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Things i will be going over

How to inverse Scale

Hax

Strength

Speed

Durability

Counters

Conclusion

How to inverse Scale the Series

The series of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken has a lot of tone with it comes to scaling. The Characters are classified by ranks ranging from F, D, C, B, A, and S.These ranks also have ‘+’ and ‘-’ values applied to them which shows if they are greater or weaker in terms of magical or physical power.

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it can be shown this is equivalent to the amount of magical energy someone has.

but Shion is known as a Special S+ Ranked Monster class, which even fodder Level Advanced classes are easily Above Mountain levels. and also power in this verse as well as a Rank A would not be able to beat 10 A- beings, but a Rank A would easily crush a A-minus rank being.

but this is pretty much how you can scale the mid tiers to low tiers in the verse, along with some of the high tiers like Shion.

Hax

Shion has a lot in store for her when it comes to hax, as she is a absolute monster when using powers along side her Herculean strength. But first, let get into her unique skills. Unique Skills (ユニークスキル, Yunīkusukiru) are Skills that, as the name suggests, are Unique and only exist one at a time. They are the next stage of Skills after Extra Skills.Unique Skills are described to be the "shape of the mind." For shion unique skill, it is called [Cook].

Cook gives shion the ability to rewrite the laws of whatever she touches. She was able to Cut the limbs off a person, and they could not be healed by a recovery potion. Shion made the state of being limbless normal, thus making recovery null.

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It's also able to ignore defense, such as ignoring the concept of what a shield does, which is to block.

This is already helpful in this match, as rewriting laws is easily above whatever Kaguya or Urashiki can tank.

Anyway, she also has War Goddess tranformation, which gives her increased physical boost and temporary intangibility mode.

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With this, she can easily pass though attacks and use cook to land lethal blows.

Now for her ultimate skills. One of them is called Tyrannous Lord Susano, which gives shion full control over causality.with it, she Was able to move in stopped time where even light nor air could move.

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Some other skills she has is her Herculean strengh and phyical boost, which increases her allready monstrous strengh even more.

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She has the ability of Perfect Memory, which is a spiritual skill that lets someone come back no matter how many times they die. Basically endless reincarnation.

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Along with this skill, she can't be mind controlled or even feel spiritual damage as she can live as a spirit, and can deal spiritual damage.

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She has a ability called Endless Regeneration, in which she can regenerate her head,limbs and entire body near instantly. It's compared to the orc lords regen, which is allready monstrous.

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Hell, she has infinite regeneration thanks to her being a spiritual enitity.

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She also has power sensory skills, in which she can immediately gauge how strong a opponet is by one glance, and tell what their power is with said glance.

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She has a ability called minus break, which steals energy upon contact, even if it is blocked.

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She even has her odachi, which is a one shot kill sword which kills the target in a single hit.

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Now let's get into her shared abilities.

the first thing she has gained is [Thought Acceleration]

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this allows her to perceive stuff by 1000X her normal perception, which is absolutely ridiculous considering her speed which i'll get to.

she also gained the abilities of [Spacial Domination] and [Defense Barrier]

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[Spacial Domination] allows instantaneous travel possible(basically teleportation) and a absolute defensive barrier that blocks Anything the user wishes as it is made of multi-layered barrier which creates absolute defense by making use of dimensional gaps to block against primordial and non corporeal attacks.

but going back to [Spacial Domination], it also allows Anyone with it to use a form of time stop.

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When it mentions the world, it is referring to the universe as the kanjis in japaneses look immensely similar, but this is also supported by multiple instances of the world being in referral to the universe.

but going out of how the kanji is spelt, In time stop, The user is able to move over 10000X while the world is stopped.

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she can move in it over 10000X, giving her a massively MFTL+ type movement speed inside the time stop.

The other thing about this time stop is that only spiritual lifeforms can move inside of it, as stated here.

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not even light can move in this time stop, along with anything physical. it also prevents any magic from being sent, with the small exception of primitive magic.

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Primitive Magic is a special kind of magic that manifests the users will into a strong spiritual magic.

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with that being said, i fail to see how Kaguya or Urashiki could counter time stop without having complete access to a spiritual body and or a magic that reflects your will.

but still going with the theme of shared abilities, she also gained the resistances of rimuru, which are the following abilities.

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With the shared abilities, she has resistance/Nullications to Physical attacks on her level, Natural element attacks, abnormal status effects, mental attacks, hybrid attacks, spiritual attacks and holy magic attacks.

And Bam! There you have it! Her awesome hax! Thanks for reading this part!

Strengh- "Bouncy Bouncy..." Ah- sorry.

Shions strengh is absolutely ridiculous sometimes honestly. Shion is one of rimurus most physically strongest subs(besides milim).

She so much superior to arc demons, in which theses demons can take out countries.

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Even with a single slash from her blade, the was able to cause a 10M long canyon by swinging her blade towards her enemies, in which she took down 100 orcs. Each orc being A+ Ranking.

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She scales to Diablo in strengh in base, in which diablo with 1/4 of his power was able to cause with help a powerful explosion which is comparable to the big bang.

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She is stronger then Carrena, who can create mini supernovas with her power alone.

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With her war goddess transformation, she should be equal in strengh to 10% Milim.with Milim being able to break though [Castle Walls] with a casual punch.

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now, you must be thinking, what is so remarkable about that? well, theses castle walls are strong enough to withstand the force of literal exploding stars without damage. and it allso reflects and counters ANY kind of attack with no effect being left to the walls.

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and Milim was able to break this guard, with only 10% of her power.

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This puts her Attack potency and DC well on Large Star level, And shion is comparable to that in war goddess transformation.

So base Shion is at best a Planet to moon buster, while war goddess shion is at best small to large star level in strengh.

Now onto speed.

Speed-"Bouncy Bouncy" ok i gotta stop.

Shion is kinda a speed demon in some senses. But let's get into her speed shall we? But ill keep this part short.

She's able to throw 30 punches in a second in a fodder state.

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And 100 times in 3 seconds.

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This is all in a fodder state mind you.

In a more refined state, she's able to block Disintegration, which is a speed of light attack, from four diffent angles at the exact same time.

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She's even comparable to Rimuru in his dragon Lord mode, in which he could basically"Blitz" a FTL attack by Hinata.

Anyway, she's able to increase her speed with her phyical boost and her time stop, which allows one to move over 10000X while the world is stopped.

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she can move in it over 10000X, giving her a massively MFTL+ type movement speed inside the time stop.

Now to durability!

Durability- Nice stuff right here. Should read :)

Lol, not much to say here as she can basically infinite regenerate so she really doesnt need much for durability. But one of her good ones is being able to regen from disintegration, which destroyed her atoms.

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Also bare in mind her resistances and nulls.

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So that's it for that. Thanks!

Counters

Now for my counters. Ill only be going over the stuff i feel needs discussing as to not make this even longer.

First counters-Kaguya

well this is very impressive cuz susanoo are almost indestructible, stated to be the absolute defense, the only instance we saw a susanoo's part break off was when Tsunade used her enhanced chakra punch on it, i believe its only a powerful energy punch that can budge through a susanoo, we have seen it no selling a tailed beast bomb a couple of times but one example of that was when Naruto and Sasuke clashed and the tailed beast bomb from the clash completely engulfed both Sasuke's full susanoo and Naruto's kurama mode while completely dwarfing multiple mountain ranges and they recieved no damage from it:

It can also break apart via heat when Mai did it to sasukes susanoo and madara.

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this should put her physical HAIR strength at country lvl in AP cuz she was able to EFFORTLESSLY pierce through a susanoo that can withstand tailed beast bomb (a city+ lvl of destruction) with no damage, now this is very crazy cuz normally ur hair should be weaker than ur fist, now imagine what her fists could do.

Well first off Piercing=/= strengh. Is so, that makes basic water from a cup able to destroy steel due to it being able to cut though diamonds. Well anyway as well, her strengh is far below Shion from what i posted.

Kaguya is definitely faster than Naruto and Sasuke who both equally have light speed reactions with relativistic+ combat speed

She handled an omni-directional assault from multiple Narutos who is relativistic+ in combat speed in a hand-to-hand combat

A very impressive feat and im kinda happy your saying their speed is at best Relativistic+. Normally some people would say they're Sol speed.

in conclusion, she was basically blitzing the team on many occasions, her reaction speed should be ftl and combat speed should be atleast light speed.

Mhh, a fair assumption. But sadly still far below Shions base speed.

Well kaguya's durability is separate from her godly regen and immortality, kaguya tanked Naruto's super tailed beast rasen shuriken with no damage done

She got hurt by it tho. Like real bad. She lost a arm to it.

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we have seen a weaker version of the super tailed beast rasen shuriken called tailed beast rasen shuriken with out "super" in it lol which Naruto used to obliterate Madara's country frost meteorites so Kaguya's durability without regen is atleast country+ lvl

Well, that's a good assumption(although i would put her durability at around contenitnal) but she had to regen from it.

This is an ability that expands the truth seeker orb without limits able to disintegrate both the body and soul when in contact. The truth seeker orbs can also be used to nullify attacks, can be shaped into any thing offensive or defensive.

this is a truth seeker orb stopping a soul attached to a vessel from regen

and each of her 5 dimensions contains satellite bodies like stars, moon, sun, etc and she wanted to destroy her entire dimension, this feat alone should put Kaguya's DC and AP at solar system lvl - star+ lvl:

The without limits thing is really NLF but i will digress. As for Disintegrate both body and soul on contact is false. We see phyical force being able to break though it.

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And be kicked away by a teenager while dabbing.

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While it can null chakra(basic five elements of fire,lightning,earth,wind and water) it hasn't shown to be able to effect abilities like fate rewrite,causality manipation, phyical strengh and or time stop.

"This feat alone puts her DC and AP at solar system+ lvl"

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First off, DC is very diffent from AP, as you even said her AP was at max country lv. And another thing, she didn't destroy any dimension, as it was only hinted that she was gonna do so, so its kinda a slippery thing to say she could destroy it. Even then, her dimensions are very small, not even solar in genral as all we see is a moon and sun, no other celestial bodies.

So with more proof on your end, her AP stays at country while her DC is at best planet-Star lv.

A planetary genjutsu that can put the entire world under her illusion:

Immunity and resistance to mind control.

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With the shared abilities, she has resistance/Nullications to Physical attacks on her level, Natural element attacks, abnormal status effects, mental attacks, hybrid attacks, spiritual attacks and holy magic attacks.

Kaguya has the ability to instantly switch b/w 6 of her dimensions without the victim realizing

the only dimensions that would be effective against Shion are:-

the ice dimension where she will get flash frozen:

The ice dimension is automatically out of question due to dimensional barriers, teleportation and spirit body and intag.

or in the gravity dimension where Shion's whole body would be pulled down due to extreme gravity and makes it easier for Kaguya to target her.

Firstly, Gravity won't really arm her that much due to Barriers and her fate manipation. Other thing is that kaguya is effected by this dimension as well.

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Soooo.....

An attack that fires multiple ash bones from her body as projectiles, when hit the victim will start disintegrating into ashes and any form of healing or regen wont stop it from disintegrating u into ashes, they tried from sakura expert lvl of medic ninjutsu - naruto's sixpath instant healing (naruto healed kakahi's eye instantly by just touching it and saved guy from completely deing due to 8 gates)

Well Shions fate manipulation,causality manipulation, already regaining from a attack that deatomized her(which is stronger then turning into ashes mind you) which also effected the soul and came back, begs to differ.

Kaguya is the main powerhouse b/w the duo and can probably tank any destructive attacks from shion, can put shion under genjutsu and Kaguya has the best offense for an immortal like her, truth seeker orbs. I dont really know my opponent well, so i cant say much.

Tanking any destructive attack from shion is silly when you put her durability at country level while shion is base is maxing out at planet levels to star with her war God form.

"Can put her under genjutsu"

She has resistance to it.

True seeking orbs are destroyed via destructive strengh and she can instantly regenerate anyway thanks to her crazy ass regen powers.

And its ok man :) lets go into the counters with Urashiki.

Urashiki counters

The above puts Base Urashiki's full strength on city lvl in AP, in his transformed state, he should be much more stronger.

Transformed Urashiki created a massive crater by just landing on the ground:

City level AP vs Planet level AP....i wonder who wins....

Urashiki is unseeable when it comes to his raw speed, he scales above Naruto, and Sasuke who are eqaully relativistic+ in combat speed with light speed reaction speed.

Base Urashiki, dodged a tailed beast bomb blast point blank:

(watch from 2:05-2:24) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qmct5ufTG8

Base Urashiki reacted to Gaara sand's quick suprise attack from below:

(watch from 0:59-1:08) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgrHMSU3z3c

the same sand was fast enough to react to a point blank explosion:

Being unseeable is fodder to shion who moves at FTL speeds with MFTL+ speeds in time stop. So on with explosions.

this is impressive cuz kirin, a dragon shaped lightening was able to obliterate a mountain instantly

Nice, but still far far far below from tanking a casual punch from shion.

By swinging his rod, Urashiki launches a large barrage of chakra hooks at his opponent. NOTE: Urashiki has the ability to immobolize his victims with the hooks, so a barrage of them means multiple immobolizing hooks

Can it tag spirits, intag beings or ignore fate manp?

A massive purple ball of energy is then unleash, followed by a immense demonic purple serpent. Urashiki was able to over power Boruto + Naruto's ninetails enhanced combined massive rasengan, just Naruto's tailed beast rasengan alone could do this:

(watch from 3:35-3:47) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3dR7qIV4U

Boruto + Naruto's ninetails enhanced combined massive rasengan is several times stronger than that and Urashiki's Ryugu (should be comparable to tailed beast bomb, if u ask me) was several times bigger and overpowering it like nothing for a moment till he was distracted with sasuke's kirin and Jiraiya's giant rasengan. This should put the DC and AP of that attack on at least city lvl.

Nice nice. Still below shions regen tho sadly.

Base Urashiki's tomoe rinnegan has the ability to relive the same moment in the future over and over again while choosing the best possible option that will positively affect him in the present, while doing this, it looks as if he is instantly teleporting, he was able to dodge all attacks thrown at him:

(watch from 14:24-14:31) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2f7YJ3sc_c

He can "walk" forward through time, when he does that his body hides in the "time zone" and able to do all he needs to do some minutes into the future and come back to the present in an instant which means anything he changed in the future wont affect him in the present, to his opponents he looks like he is instantly teleporting, so basically, he is faster than everyone thats outside his zone.

Shion also has teleportation+ since shion is massively faster then him, she could time stop him and use her Cook ability to render him immobile while she deals with Kaguya.

This is a small black box that spreads a type of gaseous substance, once its in contact with the victim's body, their entire body will be completely frozen in time for 10,000 years, Urashiki used this on Toneri

Love that ability :) but wont effect shion who can use susanoo and cook to ignore it+ her speed.

Urashiki isnt much of an offensive type, he is more on a defensive side but shouldnt be underestimated due to his hax. Either Urashiki freezes her in time or the team can just immobolize her (Kaguya with her black receiver and tso and Urashiki with his black receiver and fishing rod) and do whatever they want with her, they can open up portals from all angles surrounding her and spam black recievers + the other immobolizing objects.

Freezing Shion in time is folly due to her allready resisting it.

Black receivers and TSB are nulled by shion strengh and cook and susanoo.

Boom! Done!

Conclusion

My conclusion is simple really. Blitz and gg. Shion speed is much greater then the two, her strengh is greater, her durability and hax are greater and she counters anything they can throw at her.

Shion as i shown is Stronger than both of them to land a finishing blow before they can do anything.

Shion as i shown is Faster by alot, as she has the option to speed blitz them or simply time stop them.

Shion as i Shown is more durability.

Shion is simply more hax then kaguya and Urashiki as i have shown.

None of them has no answer from what i seen to Shions fate hax, her Barriers, her time stop, her Susanoo, her spiritual body, her strengh and her Sword.

Overall, the winner of this matchup Is the Sexy secretary and samurai Shion!

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Interesting, and good posts

TAEP and T4V

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@rikuyamaha: dayum!! can i swap urashiki with hagoromo?...nice post btw, imma get back to this maybe later today

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@rikuyamaha: dayum!! can i swap urashiki with hagoromo?...nice post btw, imma get back to this maybe later today

I think it would be better if you swapped urashiki with someone like Adult Naruto or Sasuke really

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@epichotflame said:

@rikuyamaha: dayum!! can i swap urashiki with hagoromo?...nice post btw, imma get back to this maybe later today

I think it would be better if you swapped urashiki with someone like Adult Naruto or Sasuke really

ok then imma swap ura with naruto but i would need time to gather feats for naruto

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@rikuyamaha said:
@epichotflame said:

@rikuyamaha: dayum!! can i swap urashiki with hagoromo?...nice post btw, imma get back to this maybe later today

I think it would be better if you swapped urashiki with someone like Adult Naruto or Sasuke really

ok then imma swap ura with naruto but i would need time to gather feats for naruto

Go ahead. I will also let you keep urashiki so it's a 3V1

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NARUTO UZUMAKI: 7TH HOKAGE JOINS THE BATTLE!!

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Aight, before i begin i would like to state the fact that each of Naruto's transformations amps him up 10x from his previous stats, as we have seen from curse mark being able to amp individuals 10x their normal stats and curse mark<sage mode. So its safe to say Naruto receives 10x amp from each new transformations from six path senjutsu mode>bijuu sage mode>kyuubi chakra mode>sage mode

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STRENGTH

RAW STRENGTH: Naruto in sage mode already has physicals enough to manhandle 50% kurama in a fight

same 50% kurama was manhandling all the the other tailed beasts being controlled by obito

50% kurama would scale to gyuuki who cleared a forest sized field just by spinning his body and 8 tails

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we already know tailed beasts can tear out massive land mass just with mere roars/shockwaves from tail swipes, as we see from a far far far far far far weaker form of kurama, 4 tailed chakra cloak doing this just by roaring

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gyuuki (A full tailed beast>>>>>>>4 tailed chakra cloak versions) clearing that much area is a multi mountain lvl raw strength feat which sage mode naruto scales to 50% kurama=gyuuki and naruto with 100% kurama's strength>>>>>50% kurama=gyuuki in physicals, placing 100% BM naruto alone at multi mountain+ lvl and BSM (BM+SM) would have the combined strength of both sage mode's multi mountain lvl strength and bijuu mode's multi mountian+ lvl strength= 100% BSM having island lvl raw strength, 10x of BSM=SPSM would have multi island lvl raw strength

PHYSICAL STRIKING AP: BSM Naruto's charged punch, one shotted Toneri's tenseigan chakra mode's defence

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This is impressive cuz Toneri's TCM should scale way!!!! above 1 tailed chakra cloak....

Naruto's 1 tailed chakra cloak (not upto TCM=BSM's defence) with the shinobi alliance being covered by it absolutely took no damage from juubi's tenpechii...

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same tenphechii caused this massive crater making the divine tree that dwarfs multi mountains look as small as that (btw the divine tree come out after the attack happened):

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hill sized depth of the crater:

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1 tailed chakra cloak's defence should be casually small island lvl durability which TCM dwarfs and BSM naruto one shotted, and 10x of BSM=SPSM would be comfortably at country lvl physical striking

another physical striking feat is Naruto matching kaguya's eighty gods vacuum arms in a giant chakra arm clash

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same attack obliterated the entire Perfect Susanoo with 1 strike

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this is impressive cuz even Tsunade's fully charged enhanced chakra punch could barely damaged the rib caged susanoo (weakest form of susanoo) with only cracking off the tip of it's fingers

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here we see sakura doing this with a barely charged punch and tsunade's fully charged punch>>>sakura's barely charged punch

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above are hill sized mini juubis flying from her punching the ground, below are the mini juubis compared in size with the hill sized summonings

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sakura's barely charged punch should be small island lvl, tsunade's fully charged punch would be far higher and tsunade barely damaged the rib caged susanoo

humanoid susanoo should also scale way!!! above 1 tailed chakra cloak's island lvl defence

rib cage susanoo<humanoid susanoo<armoured susanoo<perfect susanoo, humanoid susanoo should scale to multi island lvl defence and PS would scale to country lvl of defence

...and Naruto was matching multiple country obliterators (each of them being able to one shot a PS's defence completely)....thats a spammable country lvl chakra punch

In conclusion, SPSM Naruto has country lvl physical striking strength, Shion only outclasses Naruto in this aspect.

DURABILITY

ENERGY DURABILITY: BSM Naruto was able to tank golden wheel rebirth explosion (a light beam) with barely any damage, this is impressive cuz same GWRE without any problem went through the core of narutoverse's moon (tenseigan being protected by the rebirth chamber), the chamber was said by Toneri to be able to withstand the destruction of the moon crashing on earth and same BSM Naruto tanked said attack swung at full force in a weaker form with bare damage, there is SPSM (10x of BSM), that places BSM's energy durability at moon lvl and SPSM's energy durability at multi moon lvl

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BLUNT FORCE DURABILITY: Base sasuke tanked a kick from jigen unharmed, same kick broke through Perfect Susanoo's country lvl defence (remember PS scales above humanoid susanoo that scales above 1 tailed chakra cloak that tanked blunt forces of tornadoes and shockwaves that was ripping multiple mountains worth of rocks right off the earth's surface and 1 tailed chakra cloak tanked that with 0 damage)

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and SPSM naruto ofc scales miles away from base sasuke, even SPSM naruto tanked a punch from jigen and was completely un phased by it and proceeds to attacking him without minding the punch he received

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thats places SPSM naruto's blunt force durability on country lvl

HEAT DURABILITY: Many ppl think naruto has 0 heat resistance feat (especially lava) when we have seen naruto directly touching and holding lava and left with only minor bruises

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even had lava left on his back and he showed no concern to putting it out, even gyuuki(<100% kurama) bathed in lava with bare damage

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PIERCING/CUTTING DURABILITY: 4 tailed cloak naruto no sold a Kusanagi sword being forcefully pushed into his tummy across the forest and yet it still didnt budge through, this one of naruto's weakest cloaks btw

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u may be wondering whats impressive about being pierced with kusanagi? Well, my friend...Enma in his diamond staff transformation said the kusanagi sword was still going to damage him and 4 tails chakra cloak naruto absolutely no sold that

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that places 4 tailed chakra cloak naruto's piercing durability at casual diamond lvl, that cloak is absolutely fodder to SPSM's, so any sword attacks Shion tries, it aint budging through naruto (also pls dont use the PIS of SPSM Naruto in boruto not tanking a sword when logically his cloak's durability should get stronger instead of weaker)

so there we have it, naruto's durability exceeds Shion's

SPEED

REACTION SPEED: SPSM teen Naruto before the kaguya fight already had FTL reactions for dodging Madara's LS light fang few inches away from his face

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the attack naruto dodged was confirmed to be LS by the author and this is a sage art technique, meaning it used natural energy which means it used natural light

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COMBAT/MOVEMENT SPEED: later on SPSM Naruto achieved FTL speed, ill explain.....

here we see multiple Naruto's LS reaction getting blitz by Kaguya, making kaguya FTL, faster than Naruto's LS reaction

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then later, we see bloodlusted Naruto blitzing kaguya and chopping her arms off before she could react, making SPSM Naruto FTL here

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those are not the only light speed feat from naruto (dont know y ppl see FTL+ naruto as a taboo tbh)

KCM naruto's raw speed was being confused with flying thunder god instant teleportation

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then later we have KCM naruto moving his body faster than the raikage's

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u may be wondering whats so impressive about that, well lemme explain to u....Raikage's movement is said to be as fast as light speed (a flash of light) and KCM naruto moved his body faster than raikage's speed (faster than light)

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even the author confirmed in the databooks that one of raikage's attack called lariat, thrusts u at the speed of light

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so yh, there we have it, SPSM Naruto is FTL+ and way faster than Shion (without time stop)

DC, AP AND TECHNIQUES

SAGE MODE/SIX PATH SAGE MODE'S PERCEPTION: Sage mode grants naruto enhanced threat perception, able to sense attacks without the need to see them. Six path sage mode is essential an advanced sage mode, so shion is definitely not landing surprise hits on naruto.

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SAGE COMBAT: In sage mode, Naruto is capable of damaging opponents with melee attacks without the need to touch them by utilising nature energy all around him as the extension of his power, allowing him to use the surrounding area as his body to attack.

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SHADOW CLONE JUTSU!!!: Naruto's signature technique that allows him to make as many clones as he wants, the clones usually poofs when u hit it but recently, couple of teen naruto's clone fought during the war and didnt go poof with 2-3 hits like it used to before, indicating the clones got more durability with training over the years and Hokage Naruto before becoming hokage had 10 years of training after the war. The highest amount he made that i can recall was 5k clones when he was a kid without kurama's chakra

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TAILED BEAST BOMB RASEN SHURIKEN!!: This is a technique where naruto fuses both tailed beast bomb and wind style rasen shuriken together then adds 1 truth seeker orb to each of them, he can also hold 7 of these by himself, in conjunction with his clones, it would be devastating for Shion to tank it.

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naruto used this attack to obliterate meteorites that were formed from ripping half of frost country's land mass

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that already places the DC/AP of TBRS at multi island lvl

SUPER GIANT SIXPATHS TAILED BEAST BOMB RASEN SHURIKEN!: Long ass name, i know XD but this is Naruto's most destructive technique, naruto first, undergoes sixpath buddha kurama (6 handed kurama) to form super giant tbrs on 3 hands and on the other 3 hands, super giant senjutsu infused rasen shuriken, then launches it at his opponent....

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which caused this upon being performed meters above cloud lvl

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even kakashi who was in another country felt and saw the after effects of the explosion

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kakashi was in frost country and the attack was performed in the Valley of the End, you can have a look at the map and see how far the distance is.

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as u can see the distance b/w frost country and VotE is large country sized (remember this is the entire map of Naruto/borutoverse's entire planet which is equal to out planet's size irl, their large countries=our continent irl and their small countries=our average sized countries irl), this techniques' DC should be comfortably at small country lvl, most of the damage from the clash was from Naruto's technique, reason is cuz in the Naruto/borutoverse wind>>>lightning and naruto's techniques wasnt purely only wind (tbb and senjutsu infused RS was involved as well) while sasuke's was purely only lightning.

SUPER TAILED BEAST RASEN SHURIKEN: This is a technique where naruto adds each properties of each tailed beast+other rase shuriken types to 9 of his rasen shuriken

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Each of these Rasen shurikens contains:-

  • Magnet style Rasen shuriken: seals her
  • fire style rasen shuriken: burns her
  • water style rasen shuriken: dunno whats this supposed to do lol, guess its only effective on heat based attacks
  • lava style rasen shuriken: melts her
  • vapour style rasen shuriken: vaporises her
  • water style: acid rasen shuriken: melts her
  • senjutsu infused rasen shuriken

each of these are also able to cut every cell in ur body in rapid succession

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Naruto could also extend chakra arms to chase, hit and destroy shion

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Naruto would be able to use all those but with 1 property that would be useful against Shion and thats magnet style to seal her

TAILED BEAST BOMB!!!: This is the ultimate technique of tailed beasts, Naruto being the jinchuriki of Kurama (Strongest among the 9 tailed beasts). The DC of this techniques depends on how much chakra u use for it. Kurama's tbb was able to match the combined power of 6 tbb at the same time

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we have already seen weaker versions of tbb vaping mountains without a trace

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so basically, 50% kurama's tbb matched 6 tbb, each of them being large mountain+ lvl in DC, current naruto has 100% kurama and would display that feat x2, making 100% kurama's tbb small island lvl

TRUTH SEEKER ORBS:These are basically shape-able black orbs that disintegrates both body and souls with a single touch

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this is the soul damaging effect, leaving minato's soul armless

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Hokage naruto is also capable of destroying a continent with his power

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and naruto+sasuke together was fighting on par with momoshiki who is a star lvl buster in base

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and the series explained him being above kaguya who is already multi star lvl for wanting to destroy her multi stars containing dimension

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and this scales naruto to planet lvl

COUNTERS

Cook gives shion the ability to rewrite the laws of whatever she touches. She was able to Cut the limbs off a person, and they could not be healed by a recovery potion. Shion made the state of being limbless normal, thus making recovery null.

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It's also able to ignore defense, such as ignoring the concept of what a shield does, which is to block.

This is already helpful in this match, as rewriting laws is easily above whatever Kaguya or Urashiki can tank.

good hax but thats if she can tag my team without time stop

Anyway, she also has War Goddess tranformation, which gives her increased physical boost and temporary intangibility mode.

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With this, she can easily pass though attacks and use cook to land lethal blows.

cool but that would be no problem for naruto to land blows enough to K.O Shion, as Naruto was already able to interact with souls and shadows from another plane of existence (limbos)

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even physical attacks wont work on limbos

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but yet naruto was later able to interact with it fine

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Now for her ultimate skills. One of them is called Tyrannous Lord Susano, which gives shion full control over causality.with it, she Was able to move in stopped time where even light nor air could move.

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cool, so urashiki time stopping would be useless against her, then, good hax tbh

Some other skills she has is her Herculean strengh and phyical boost, which increases her allready monstrous strengh even more.

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again, thats if she can tag my team without time stop which is not in character for her to be use it at the beginning

She has the ability of Perfect Memory, which is a spiritual skill that lets someone come back no matter how many times they die. Basically endless reincarnation.

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nice, this would be very useful in a team battle

Along with this skill, she can't be mind controlled or even feel spiritual damage as she can live as a spirit, and can deal spiritual damage.

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as i have shown u before, naruto wont have problem knocking her out in her spirit form

She has a ability called Endless Regeneration, in which she can regenerate her head,limbs and entire body near instantly. It's compared to the orc lords regen, which is allready monstrous.

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Hell, she has infinite regeneration thanks to her being a spiritual enitity.

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that type of regen is useless against complete vaporisation and even naruto's uncharged tbb can do the job of one shotting her entire body

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She also has power sensory skills, in which she can immediately gauge how strong a opponet is by one glance, and tell what their power is with said glance.

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She has a ability called minus break, which steals energy upon contact, even if it is blocked.

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lol this is more disadvantageous for her than it will be for my team especially if she targets naruto with that ability, reason is cuz if she absorbs beyond a certain amount of senjutsu chakra from naruto's SPSM without knowing how to master it, she would just turn to a giant toad statue and that would be my team's victory.

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She even has her odachi, which is a one shot kill sword which kills the target in a single hit.

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thats if she can tag my team

Now let's get into her shared abilities.

the first thing she has gained is [Thought Acceleration]

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this allows her to perceive stuff by 1000X her normal perception, which is absolutely ridiculous considering her speed which i'll get to.

nice but 5k+ naruto + kaguya + urashiki all blitzing would make her enhanced perception invalid

she also gained the abilities of [Spacial Domination] and [Defense Barrier]

[Spacial Domination] allows instantaneous travel possible(basically teleportation) and a absolute defensive barrier that blocks Anything the user wishes as it is made of multi-layered barrier which creates absolute defense by making use of dimensional gaps to block against primordial and non corporeal attacks.

can be bypassed via kaguya dimension travelling or urashiki time teleporting his team, minutes backwards in time when the barrier was not activated

but going back to [Spacial Domination], it also allows Anyone with it to use a form of time stop.

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When it mentions the world, it is referring to the universe as the kanjis in japaneses look immensely similar, but this is also supported by multiple instances of the world being in referral to the universe.

but going out of how the kanji is spelt, In time stop, The user is able to move over 10000X while the world is stopped.

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she can move in it over 10000X, giving her a massively MFTL+ type movement speed inside the time stop.

The other thing about this time stop is that only spiritual lifeforms can move inside of it, as stated here.

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not even light can move in this time stop, along with anything physical. it also prevents any magic from being sent, with the small exception of primitive magic.

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Primitive Magic is a special kind of magic that manifests the users will into a strong spiritual magic.

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with that being said, i fail to see how Kaguya or Urashiki could counter time stop without having complete access to a spiritual body and or a magic that reflects your will.

very haxy, cant it just be bypassed via urashiki walking through time? or kaguya using her extended will (black zetsu) to take control of Shion's body movement?

black zetsu can essential possess Shion's body for the meantime

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and black zetsu could disrupt Shion's time stop in the process and absorb back any energy Shion stole from my team

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but still going with the theme of shared abilities, she also gained the resistances of rimuru, which are the following abilities.

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With the shared abilities, she has resistance/Nullications to Physical attacks on her level, Natural element attacks, abnormal status effects, mental attacks, hybrid attacks, spiritual attacks and holy magic attacks.

good thing, naruto uses chakra punches/attacks instead of physical attacks. I dont see any resistance to seals, that could also still be effective. I dont see any resistance to disintegration, so tso is still effective

She so much superior to arc demons, in which theses demons can take out countries.

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that wasnt due to strength alone, so no its not a physical strength feat plus thats fodder to naruto who already has the power to destroy a continent

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Even with a single slash from her blade, the was able to cause a 10M long canyon by swinging her blade towards her enemies, in which she took down 100 orcs. Each orc being A+ Ranking.

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lol even sakura (a lower high tier in the verse) could replicate that feat so much better with a barely charged up punch

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above are hill sized mini juubis flying from her punching the ground btw, below are the mini juubis compared in size with the hill sized summonings

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even kcm naruto fodderises sakura

She scales to Diablo in strengh in base, in which diablo with 1/4 of his power was able to cause with help a powerful explosion which is comparable to the big bang.

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She is stronger then Carrena, who can create mini supernovas with her power alone.

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power=/=strength

With her war goddess transformation, she should be equal in strengh to 10% Milim.with Milim being able to break though [Castle Walls] with a casual punch.

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now, you must be thinking, what is so remarkable about that? well, theses castle walls are strong enough to withstand the force of literal exploding stars without damage. and it allso reflects and counters ANY kind of attack with no effect being left to the walls.

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and Milim was able to break this guard, with only 10% of her power.

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This puts her Attack potency and DC well on Large Star level, And shion is comparable to that in war goddess transformation.

Question, how strong is Shion compared to 10% milim, was she shown to manhandle 10% milim in strength? cuz milim is a strong ass bitch even when not going all out....imagine her demanding war against all the demon lords like a playful thing

So base Shion is at best a Planet to moon buster, while war goddess shion is at best small to large star level in strengh.

depends on ur answer to my question above, but if thats true, then yh agaisnt war goddess Shion, my team is in trouble (ONLY if she can tag them without time stop) but if its base Shion, my team (except urashiki) tanks all those casually

She's able to throw 30 punches in a second in a fodder state.

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And 100 times in 3 seconds.

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This is all in a fodder state mind you.

In a more refined state, she's able to block Disintegration, which is a speed of light attack, from four diffent angles at the exact same time.

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cool light speed reactions, this wont be useless against FTL+ Naruto

She's even comparable to Rimuru in his dragon Lord mode, in which he could basically"Blitz" a FTL attack by Hinata.

if u talking about blitzing disintegration, its LS not FTL and didnt rimuru react to that and not blitz it, IIRC

Anyway, she's able to increase her speed with her phyical boost and her time stop, which allows one to move over 10000X while the world is stopped.

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she can move in it over 10000X, giving her a massively MFTL+ type movement speed inside the time stop.

not in character for her to use it at the beginning plus she gets blitz and one shotted by my team before that will happen

Lol, not much to say here as she can basically infinite regenerate so she really doesnt need much for durability. But one of her good ones is being able to regen from disintegration, which destroyed her atoms.

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seals, tso immobilisation, urashiki's fishing hook immobilisation and kaguya's will immobilisation would still be effective for my team's victory

Also bare in mind her resistances and nulls.

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yup, i know

30 MINUTES PREP.

Naruto gives his team mates part of kurama's chakra

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which will boost their current stats and powers/abilities 3x, giving my team more of an edge in victory

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Urashiki could also go back in time via the otsutsuki's turtle time travelling device and kill off Shion in the past before she was resurrected/ Shion before she becam a kijin (advanced orge)

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CONCLUSIONS

Seals and immobilisation would be effective on her

naruto and kaguya are outmatched in speed only if she uses time stop at the beginning of the fight but thats not in character for her, without time stop my team is far superior to her in speed and could potentially speed blitz and one shot

with preparation, Urashiki with the 3x boost from naruto alone can solo

@rikuyamaha over to u, bruh. After u post ur counter for Naruto, i would do post to counter your other counters against my team.

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@epichotflame: oh boy, you really went out with the works here. Well i have mine up in a few hours.

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The War Goddess Descends-Shions Counter!

"My name is Shion. Rimuru’s first servant. Now then, gentlemen. So says my lord, “Obedience or death!”

Before i start...really Epic? Trying to wank naruto and downgrade shion now? Well that mistake will cost you this cav. So be ready for a thrashing!

Counters-Naruto. A good Shinobi is now the dead one.

sakura's barely charged punch should be small island lvl, tsunade's fully charged punch would be far higher and tsunade barely damaged the rib caged susanoo

humanoid susanoo should also scale way!!! above 1 tailed chakra cloak's island lvl defence

rib cage susanoo<humanoid susanoo<armoured susanoo<perfect susanoo, humanoid susanoo should scale to multi island lvl defence and PS would scale to country lvl of defence

...and Naruto was matching multiple country obliterators (each of them being able to one shot a PS's defence completely)....thats a spammable country lvl chakra punch

In conclusion, SPSM Naruto has country lvl physical striking strength, Shion only outclasses Naruto in this aspect.

Sakuras punch falls short to mountain+ as she has shown no noticeable feats of being able to attack with island level striking strengh. The feat you shown was not even mountain as it was a city leveling strike,considering the size of the enemies to the rocks.

And yes, shion does greatly outclass everyone here in strengh.

BSM Naruto was able to tank golden wheel rebirth explosion (a light beam) with barely any damage, this is impressive cuz same GWRE without any problem went through the core of narutoverse's moon (tenseigan being protected by the rebirth chamber), the chamber was said by Toneri to be able to withstand the destruction of the moon crashing on earth and same BSM Naruto tanked said attack swung at full force in a weaker form with bare damage, there is SPSM (10x of BSM), that places BSM's energy durability at moon lvl and SPSM's energy durability at multi moon lvl

It wasn't a light beam first of all, it was merely condensed chakra which emmited light. It was really light, it would be intangiable to grab. Plus as far as i seen, he didnt tank the moon slice, he dodged it.

and SPSM naruto ofc scales miles away from base sasuke, even SPSM naruto tanked a punch from jigen and was completely un phased by it and proceeds to attacking him without minding the punch he received

The post you show is naruto being clearly hurt by the punch- hince being not a tank. A tank is something like this.

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Tanking is being able to take damage with zero diff, not being hurt by it.

that places 4 tailed chakra cloak naruto's piercing durability at casual diamond lvl, that cloak is absolutely fodder to SPSM's, so any sword attacks Shion tries, it aint budging through naruto

so there we have it, naruto's durability exceeds Shion's

Firstly, yes her sword will go though considering she can ignore the concept of durability with a sword slash mixed with cook

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And no, it really doesn't. Shion scales to Guy Chrimson in terms of durability. Guy being able to fight Milim for Seven days and night.

SPSM teen Naruto before the kaguya fight already had FTL reactions for dodging Madara's LS light fang few inches away from his face

FTL reaction from aim dodging a attack from a meer light speed attack? That is not how you do things.

here we see multiple Naruto's LS reaction getting blitz by Kaguya, making kaguya FTL, faster than Naruto's LS reaction

I thought his reaction speed was FTL not LS? What happened to that? Anyway, no Kaguya is not FTL due to herself being blitzed by Sakura, and naruto. Who don't have LS movement.

then later, we see bloodlusted Naruto blitzing kaguya and chopping her arms off before she could react, making SPSM Naruto FTL here

Huh. I thought your conclusion in kaguyas post said she at max at light speed movement?

-in conclusion, she was basically blitzing the team on many occasions, her reaction speed should be ftl and combat speed should be atleast light speed-

Your exact quote mind you. So how exactly does that make naruto FTL from getting a lucky shot on her and him getting blitz the rest of the time by her?

KCM naruto's raw speed was being confused with flying thunder god instant teleportation

That's not raw speed, that his teleportation. Bee is literally saying "telportation technique".

u may be wondering whats so impressive about that, well lemme explain to u....Raikage's movement is said to be as fast as light speed (a flash of light) and KCM naruto moved his body faster than raikage's speed (faster than light)

No...just no. It says his synapses which are In the central nervous system, a synapse is a small gap at the end of a neuron that allows a signal to pass from one neuron to the next.Synapses are found where nerve cells connect with other nerve cells. Synapses are key to the brain's function, especially when it comes to memory. That makes his reaction speed at light speed, not his combat or either Movment.

even the author confirmed in the databooks that one of raikage's attack called lariat, thrusts u at the speed of light

It says "Almost" as fast. Almost. This doesn't imply he has reached LS level.

so yh, there we have it, SPSM Naruto is FTL+ and way faster than Shion (without time stop)

Already disproven. Naruto isn't even light speed, Let alone FTL to the Fu##ing +. Meanwhile Shion is comparable to Rimuru who could easily precieve a FTL attack coming at him to a stop.

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And she's shown to outspeed disintergration from four angles, which is a SOL attack.

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So i dont see why your saying naruto outspeeds where shion has shown faster movement speed.

Sage mode grants naruto enhanced threat perception, able to sense attacks without the need to see them. Six path sage mode is essential an advanced sage mode, so shion is definitely not landing surprise hits on naruto.

Yet Naruto in S6 paths is able to be blitzed by a peron you call light speed, and shion is allready shown being able to FTL.

This is a technique where naruto fuses both tailed beast bomb and wind style rasen shuriken together then adds 1 truth seeker orb to each of them, he can also hold 7 of these by himself, in conjunction with his clones, it would be devastating for Shion to tank it.

Shion allready tanked a attack which destroyed her atoms and her soul, so I see no reason why she can't tank theses. Even more so eith her shields and her speed.

Each of these Rasen shurikens contains:-

  • Magnet style Rasen shuriken: seals her
  • fire style rasen shuriken: burns her
  • water style rasen shuriken: dunno whats this supposed to do lol, guess its only effective on heat based attacks
  • lava style rasen shuriken: melts her
  • vapour style rasen shuriken: vaporises her
  • water style: acid rasen shuriken: melts her
  • senjutsu infused rasen shuriken

Magnet-Negated by cook and Susanoo.

Fire-Resistance.

Water- nothing lol

Lava-Resistance and null to heat. Mixed eith shields.

Vapor- she tanked her atoms being destroyed. Vaporization is fodder to her.

Acid-Tanks with Dimentional Sheilds.

each of these are also able to cut every cell in ur body in rapid succession

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Naruto could also extend chakra arms to chase, hit and destroy shion

I don't know why i have to remind you but..

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Naruto would be able to use all those but with 1 property that would be useful against Shion and thats magnet style to seal her

Her cook and Susanoo negates it along with her Dimentional Sheilds. Narutos magnet style meets to perfectly land on the opponent and even then, if it hits her by some miracle, she can teleport out of it.

These are basically shape-able black orbs that disintegrates both body and souls with a single touch

Smh, i really do need to repeat this dont I?

As for Disintegrate both body and soul on contact is false. We see phyical force being able to break though it.

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And be kicked away by a teenager while dabbing.

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While it can null chakra(basic five elements of fire,lightning,earth,wind and water) it hasn't shown to be able to effect abilities like fate rewrite,causality manipation, phyical strengh and or time stop

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this is the soul damaging effect, leaving minato's soul armless

It effects jutsu. Minato was edo tensei which is a jutsu, which is why he could not regen.

naruto+sasuke together was fighting on par with momoshiki who is a star lvl buster in base

Smh...he absorbed a star, not busted it. Absorbing=/= busting.

and the series explained him being above kaguya who is already multi star lvl for wanting to destroy her multi stars containing dimension

His lack of feats to back up the statement proves otherwise. Either way kaguya is not muti star. As i allready explained, she's at best only star level. And she never destroyed any of her dimensions, so don't go down that rabbit hole.

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good hax but thats if she can tag my team without time stop

She can, via teleportation or her own massive speed which i allready proven to be FTL in base.

cool but that would be no problem for naruto to land blows enough to K.O Shion, as Naruto was already able to interact with souls and shadows from another plane of existence (limbos)

Firstly, naruto wont K.O shion as i shown.

Second: naruto never touched something that is intag. The limbo can be interested with and touched . If they were intag they would of passed though the tailed beast when they hit them.

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Secondly, Shion has True intag, which enables her to pass though everything, including other spiritual life forms. Ie when she faces demon lords(demon lords being a apiritual entity)

again, thats if she can tag my team without time stop which is not in character for her to be use it at the beginning

She can as i shown. Plus even IC she will see threats and pull out powers to destroy them.

can be bypassed via kaguya dimension travelling or urashiki time teleporting his team, minutes backwards in time when the barrier was not activated

The barriers are always active and Kaguya Dimentional traveling is folly due to it not effecting the Sheilds. Even if they BFR her, she can teleport back to kill them, so kaguyas BFR is folly.

very haxy, cant it just be bypassed via urashiki walking through time? or kaguya using her extended will (black zetsu) to take control of Shion's body movement?

black zetsu can essential possess Shion's body for the meantime

No, it cant. Considering only spiritual life forms may walk in it. So urashiki would be stuck in time.

And Zetsu controlling Shion? Come on...Naruto was able to break out of it with pure strengh and shion as you even admitted was substantially stronger then him.

black zetsu could disrupt Shion's time stop in the process and absorb back any energy Shion stole from my team

Zetsu has no feats of moving in stopped time and Shion has cook which would automatically negate any energy stealing from Zetsu.

good thing, naruto uses chakra punches/attacks instead of physical attacks. I dont see any resistance to seals, that could also still be effective. I dont see any resistance to disintegration, so tso is still effective

Naruto does use physical attacks which is his chakra punches...wtf is that kinda loopy mental gymatic is that?

Cook as shown negates a seal.

>says No Resistance to disintegration

>Shion survived said attack stronger then it.

Topkek.

Anyway I allready mentioned TSO can be negated via cook or phyical strengh many times.

that wasnt due to strength alone, so no its not a physical strength feat plus thats fodder to naruto who already has the power to destroy a continent

The arc demons can destroy a Country with strengh alone as posted.

lol even sakura (a lower high tier in the verse) could replicate that feat so much better with a barely charged up punch

That feat is city and shion created a large canyon so many meters across. Plus she took out the orcs with the swing alone.

power=/=strength

True but Shion is able to fight with Diablo so that point is moot.

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Question, how strong is Shion compared to 10% milim, was she shown to manhandle 10% milim in strength? cuz milim is a strong ass bitch even when not going all out....imagine her demanding war against all the demon lords like a playful thing

They are comparable even tho war goddess shion and milim never fought. Which is why i said in war God she's superior to zegion,Benimaru and Diablo, all of which are star busters.

depends on ur answer to my question above, but if thats true, then yh agaisnt war goddess Shion, my team is in trouble (ONLY if she can tag them without time stop) but if its base Shion, my team (except urashiki) tanks all those casually

None of your team is tanking a base punch from Shion with cook which i allready said ignores defense.

cool light speed reactions, this wont be useless against FTL+ Naruto

Cool thing I disproved your FTL+ naruto statement above. So yeah Shion is gonna react to all of them and blitz.

if u talking about blitzing disintegration, its LS not FTL and didnt rimuru react to that and not blitz it, IIRC

I was talking about Melt slash which is FTL. Rimuru outspeed disintergration which shion is comparable to. Rimuru only reacted to melt slash and didn't blitz it.

not in character for her to use it at the beginning plus she gets blitz and one shotted by my team before that will happen

Blitzed and one shotted? Even with superior speed and durability as i shown?

Hell, her susanoo power negates it due to causality manipation.

seals, tso immobilisation, urashiki's fishing hook immobilisation and kaguya's will immobilisation would still be effective for my team's victory

Seals- Negates by dimentional Sheilds or cook.

Tso is negated via pure strengh and cook.

Urushikis hook is negated via cook and speed or sheilds.

Kaguya will is fodder as it doesn't immobilized anything. Heck i could agure Shions demon haki(which i said to mention for a odd reason) could immobile them.

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Urashiki could also go back in time via the otsutsuki's turtle time travelling device and kill off Shion in the past before she was resurrected/ Shion before she becam a kijin (advanced orge)

Even if that's the case, he cant go that at the start of the battle. And once shion sees Time hax, she will use hers to time stop urashiki and one shot. Hell i doubt it would work on shion as she could possibly entirely negate her past self being killed with Cook from the future.

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Seals and immobilisation would be effective on her

naruto and kaguya are outmatched in speed only if she uses time stop at the beginning of the fight but thats not in character for her, without time stop my team is far superior to her in speed and could potentially speed blitz and one shot

with preparation, Urashiki with the 3x boost from naruto alone can solo

@rikuyamaha over to u, bruh. After u post ur counter for Naruto, i would do post to counter your other counters against my team

The seals and immobile thing are literally all negated with cook,Sheilds and Susanoo.

Your team is not FTL in base as i allready debunked and one shorting is out of the question due to infinite regen and superior durability and nulls.

Urushiki is not soloing at all as he cant harm or even put down shion, let alone kill her.

And ok, thanks bruh.

My own conclusion.

Shion is not only massively stronger then the team, but faster and more durable.

Their means of immoblising her is nulled with cook,susanoo or sheilds.

Shion has too many ways to ACTUALLY one shot that it's not funny(one shot via her one shot sword)

So in conclusion- the winner is still the amazing Secutary Shion.

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NARUTO COUNTERS

Sakuras punch falls short to mountain+ as she has shown no noticeable feats of being able to attack with island level striking strengh. The feat you shown was not even mountain as it was a city leveling strike,considering the size of the enemies to the rocks.

huh? i consider city lvl and island lvl to be the same thing concerning that feat, whats the difference?

And yes, shion does greatly outclass everyone here in strengh.

i was talking about her sword feat which is no where as impressive as sakura's barely charged punch

It wasn't a light beam first of all, it was merely condensed chakra which emmited light. It was really light, it would be intangiable to grab. Plus as far as i seen, he didnt tank the moon slice, he dodged it.

lol is this man using real life logic and applying it to fiction? smh, anyways, im not really bothered about that part but....what??! u said he didnt tank it? it clearly hit him, he tanked it and came out from the centre that was split along with naruto

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Firstly, yes her sword will go though considering she can ignore the concept of durability with a sword slash mixed with cook

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And no, it really doesn't. Shion scales to Guy Chrimson in terms of durability. Guy being able to fight Milim for Seven days and night.

oh k, u never explained that to me before, tho

FTL reaction from aim dodging a attack from a meer light speed attack? That is not how you do things.

how was he aim dodging? Naruto doesnt have precog., u know that right?

I thought his reaction speed was FTL not LS? What happened to that?

lol forgot to say FTL

Anyway, no Kaguya is not FTL due to herself being blitzed by Sakura, and naruto. Who don't have LS movement.

naruto became FTL, the moment he blitz kaguya. Sakura tagging her was PIS and u know that

Huh. I thought your conclusion in kaguyas post said she at max at light speed movement?

-in conclusion, she was basically blitzing the team on many occasions, her reaction speed should be ftl and combat speed should be atleast light speed-

thats when i didnt know kaguya was blitzing naruto's reaction speed

Your exact quote mind you. So how exactly does that make naruto FTL from getting a lucky shot on her and him getting blitz the rest of the time by her?

naruto was blitz some minutes/hours ago before bloodlusted naruto blitz her

That's not raw speed, that his teleportation. Bee is literally saying "telportation technique".

lol when has naruto ever used teleportation??? bee was referring to his speed being similar to minato's ftg teleportation

No...just no. It says his synapses which are In the central nervous system, a synapse is a small gap at the end of a neuron that allows a signal to pass from one neuron to the next.Synapses are found where nerve cells connect with other nerve cells. Synapses are key to the brain's function, especially when it comes to memory. That makes his reaction speed at light speed, not his combat or either Movment.

fair enough, i didnt know what synapses was, thought it was generally talking bout his movements

It says "Almost" as fast. Almost. This doesn't imply he has reached LS level.

fair enough, then, raikage should be massively relativistic (like 95% LS) and KCM Naruto moved his body faster than him

Already disproven. Naruto isn't even light speed, Let alone FTL to the Fu##ing +.

u never disproved he wasnt LS/FTL, u disproved raikage being close to LS which KCM naruto moved his body faster than him and blitz raikage's LS reactions, so yes SPSM is ftl+ scaling above KCM who was already slightly faster than light

Meanwhile Shion is comparable to Rimuru who could easily precieve a FTL attack coming at him to a stop.

disintegration isnt FTL, its LS as stated, unless there was a new disintegration attack that increased to FTL that i wasnt aware off

And she's shown to outspeed disintergration from four angles, which is a SOL attack.

reacting to (not outspeeding) 4 LS attack doesnt make the feat the better, btw

So i dont see why your saying naruto outspeeds where shion has shown faster movement speed.

u mean reaction speed?

Yet Naruto in S6 paths is able to be blitzed by a peron you call light speed, and shion is allready shown being able to FTL.

kaguya was faster than naruto's reactions and she blitz naruto, so yh shez FTL, also, sage mode perception isnt precognition, with the perception (being able to sense attacks and not seeing the attack later before it hits u), u would have to still move ur body faster than it which at that time naruto only had relativistic+ movement feats but naruto later being bloodlusted blitz kaguya

Water- nothing lol

lol dont underestimate water RS, weaker water slashes cuts through steel in the verse but yh i doubt it would do anything lol

Magnet-Negated by cook and Susanoo.

Her cook and Susanoo negates it along with her Dimentional Sheilds. Narutos magnet style meets to perfectly land on the opponent and even then, if it hits her by some miracle, she can teleport out of it.

cook- she overwrites laws of objects that she slashes, would need a feat for slashing when her movements is already bounded

susanoo- can i see where it said "it has full control over causality"? cuz all it did was resist time stop not seals

till then, magnet style is working

As for Disintegrate both body and soul on contact is false. We see phyical force being able to break though it.

okay? u do know when tso is used to create something, what it created dont have the disintegration effect, right? guy broke the black shield created by the tso

And be kicked away by a teenager while dabbing.

lol and i thought u had knowledge on the series, Naruto with senjutsu chakra is immune to tso effects

It effects jutsu. Minato was edo tensei which is a jutsu, which is why he could not regen.

lol so minato's soul is also a justu lmao, funniest thing i have heard...and yes, it still does affect souls

Smh...he absorbed a star, not busted it. Absorbing=/= busting.

didnt u read the whole thing especially the last bit?

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His lack of feats to back up the statement proves otherwise. Either way kaguya is not muti star. As i allready explained, she's at best only star level. And she never destroyed any of her dimensions, so don't go down that rabbit hole.

lol zeno lacks feat to be back up his statements to be above anyone in dbs, gold d roger lacks feat to be above whitebeard, dont tell me bs

anyways, her dimension contained multiple stars and her plan was destroying everything with her ETSO but was stopped by naruto and co, so yes it multi star lvl

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KAGUYA COUNTERS

It can also break apart via heat when Mai did it to sasukes susanoo and madara.

lol nice counter, showing me sasuke using unmastered rib caged susanoo and getting melted

i dont have scans but remember when raikage broke the same unmastered ribcaged susanoo used by sasuke but he tried to break madara's rib acged susanoo but it didnt budge?? yh it all depends on how experienced and how mastery u have over it...not so much of a good counter when PS>>>>>>unmastered rib caged susanoo lmao

Firstly, Gravity won't really arm her that much due to Barriers and her fate manipation. Other thing is that kaguya is effected by this dimension as well.

its not going to harm her, its going to restrict her movement a bit and kaguya has better movements than her victims in it, urashiki could also chill in his dimensional portal while not being affected by it and throws his hook at shion to immobilise her

She got hurt by it tho. Like real bad. She lost a arm to it.

ooh u mean after this? yh i know she had one arm torn off then later on tanked naruto's super TBRS

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First off, DC is very diffent from AP, as you even said her AP was at max country lv. And another thing, she didn't destroy any dimension, as it was only hinted that she was gonna do so, so its kinda a slippery thing to say she could destroy it. Even then, her dimensions are very small, not even solar in genral as all we see is a moon and sun, no other celestial bodies.

So with more proof on your end, her AP stays at country while her DC is at best planet-Star lv.

yh i agree with it being DC and not AP but there was multiple stars in it tho, plus sun and moon....and explain what made u conclude it was smaller with what proof?

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The ice dimension is automatically out of question due to dimensional barriers, teleportation and spirit body and intag.

will she even have time to activate dimensional barrier, teleport or become intangible when she would unexpectedly get flash frozen?

True seeking orbs are destroyed via destructive strengh and she can instantly regenerate anyway thanks to her crazy ass regen powers.

the black shield created by tso can be broken not tso itself

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URASHIKI COUNTERS

Sadly urashiki is a hopeless mf and a disgrace to his family, only useful thing is his hax but, anyways, lets move on...

Shion also has teleportation+ since shion is massively faster then him, she could time stop him and use her Cook ability to render him immobile while she deals with Kaguya

time stop is not in character for shion, time teleporting is in character for urashiki and is way faster than her with it....shion being able to teleport as well wont help he against urashiki teleporting minutes forward in time, already seeing where she would teleport next and then teleport where pleases urashiki. For sure, Shion aint touching Urashiki with that hax ability of his and urashiki could sync that with throwing his hooks at her to immobilise her

COUNTERS AGAINST SHION

She can, via teleportation or her own massive speed which i allready proven to be FTL in base.

lol first off, reaction speed=/=movement speed which she lacks to show and nah she aint tagging my team, naruto's 50% KCM speed was already compared with teleportation and even blitz raikage's LS reactions (SPSM>>>>>>50% KCM), kaguya was basically blitzing SPSM during mid fight, and urashiki is just untouchable with time teleportation

Second: naruto never touched something that is intag. The limbo can be interested with and touched . If they were intag they would of passed though the tailed beast when they hit them.

lol this man using real life logic to apply to fiction again......ghost/spirits in fiction are able to hold or punch physical things away...souls are intangible which as i showed u before was touched by naruto, u even ignore what sasuke said about physical attacks being useless on limbos smh

The barriers are always active and Kaguya Dimentional traveling is folly due to it not effecting the Sheilds. Even if they BFR her, she can teleport back to kill them, so kaguyas BFR is folly.

how is dimension travelling in the barrier folly, and wym not affecting shields? and how they always active? and yh i know BFR'ing Shion would be useless, thats y i didnt use that as an option to win

And Zetsu controlling Shion? Come on...Naruto was able to break out of it with pure strengh and shion as you even admitted was substantially stronger then him.

thats y i said take control of her body for the meantime and a minute is enough for black zetsu to disrupt the time stop

Zetsu has no feats of moving in stopped time and Shion has cook which would automatically negate any energy stealing from Zetsu

u said "i fail to see how Kaguya or Urashiki could counter time stop without having complete access to a spiritual body and or a magic that reflects your will." thats y i asked if Kaguya using the extension of her will (black zetsu) counts?

Naruto does use physical attacks which is his chakra punches...wtf is that kinda loopy mental gymatic is that?

its not a physical attack, its more of an energy attack being coated on ur fist, so it aint a physical attack

Cook as shown negates a seal.

when has it negated a seal? u only showed it stating it negates objects and not seals

The arc demons can destroy a Country with strengh alone as posted

when did it say with strength?

That feat is city and shion created a large canyon so many meters across. Plus she took out the orcs with the swing alone.

lol so making a 10M deep slice is more impressive than merely punching and raising grounds making hill sized mini juubis look like an ant? and those orcs lacks durability so adding that, isnt making that feat any more impressive...

True but Shion is able to fight with Diablo so that point is moot.

she didnt fight diablo physically lol, its still not a physical feat for shion

Blitzed and one shotted? Even with superior speed and durability as i shown?

all u showed me was her FTL reactions which naruto has by dodging LS few inches away from his face and i showed u KCM naruto blitzing raikage's LS reactions, SPSM>>>KCM

Hell, her susanoo power negates it due to causality manipation.

can i see where it said "it has full control over causality"? cuz all it did was resist time stop not seals

Urushikis hook is negated via cook and speed or sheilds.

shion isnt using cook with slashes which she cant do while immobile

Even if that's the case, he cant go that at the start of the battle. And once shion sees Time hax, she will use hers to time stop urashiki and one shot. Hell i doubt it would work on shion as she could possibly entirely negate her past self being killed with Cook from the future

lol this is preparation before the battle beings, so yes, he can do that at the start or even at that, naruto and kaguya can distract shion while urashiki goes and does his dirty job.....cook is a slash attack, she aint slashing the past or wont even know where urashiki has gone to

COUNTERS TO CONCLUSIONS

Shion is not only massively stronger then the team, but faster and more durable.

faster? no (unless with time stop) durable? yes

KCM naruto already blitz raikage's LS reactions and SPSM>>>>>>kcm with 50% kurama's chakra and kasguya was already blitzing SPSM naruto and then SPSM naruto later blitz kaguya

Their means of immoblising her is nulled with cook,susanoo or sheilds.

-cook requires her to make slashes with her sword which aint happening while immobile

-susanoo hasnt shown to escape seals, just time stop, so no unless it was stated it has control over causalities as u stated, then yes

-shield can be bypassed via otsutsuki's dimension travel

Shion has too many ways to ACTUALLY one shot that it's not funny(one shot via her one shot sword)

yh which will be dwelt with via dodging and immobilisation/seals

So in conclusion- the winner is still the amazing Secutary Shion.

not quite

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Well well well, seems Epic wanked. Big sad. Let's get this over with.

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huh? i consider city lvl and island lvl to be the same thing concerning that feat, whats the difference?

To destroy a City, you need at least 6.3 Megatons of force to destroy it. To destroy a island, you need at least 4 Gigatons to destroy it. 1 gigaton is 1000 Megatons. So yeah, big difference.

i was talking about her sword feat which is no where as impressive as sakura's barely charged punch

It is, if not greater due to the 10M long cavern.

lol is this man using real life logic and applying it to fiction? smh, anyways, im not really bothered about that part but....what??! u said he didnt tank it? it clearly hit him, he tanked it and came out from the centre that was split along with naruto

Real life logic does enter into fiction. IE fire burning or Ice Freezing. And no, i don't see tanking considering the camera moves too fast in that gif to see it.

how was he aim dodging? Naruto doesnt have precog., u know that right?

You dont need Precog to aim dodge. I can aim dodge a bullet by seeing the direction the Bullet is going, but that does not mean i am as fast as said bullet.

lol forgot to say FTL

So you contradicted yourself?

naruto became FTL, the moment he blitz kaguya. Sakura tagging her was PIS and u know that

He didn't blitz her, he got a lucky shot. And second, sakura tagging Kaguya is not PIS considering kaguya had byakugon to have 360 vison.

thats when i didnt know kaguya was blitzing naruto's reaction speed

So again contradicted yourself?

naruto was blitz some minutes/hours ago before bloodlusted naruto blitz her

Again, naruto did not blitz, he got a lucky shot. And again, how does that change my original point?

lol when has naruto ever used teleportation??? bee was referring to his speed being similar to minato's ftg teleportation

Bee literally said "Teleportation technique". And yeah, naruto does have teleportation to a degree.

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fair enough, i didnt know what synapses was, thought it was generally talking bout his movements

It's talking about his synapses, which is reaction as i explained, not his movement.

fair enough, then, raikage should be massively relativistic (like 95% LS) and KCM Naruto moved his body faster than him

What? How did you get that conclusion? Raikage is Hypersonic+, given that Sage Naruto was able to react at close range to the 3rd's attacks and base Madara could guard against the 4th's punches.

u never disproved he wasnt LS/FTL, u disproved raikage being close to LS which KCM naruto moved his body faster than him and blitz raikage's LS reactions, so yes SPSM is ftl+ scaling above KCM who was already slightly faster than light

So KCM naruto, who is faster then light is scared and had to aim dodge light fang from madara which is light speed? If he did have FTL speeds, he would of statues madara light fang, which he very clearly did not. Your FTL "feats" and contradicted by the real feats presented.

disintegration isnt FTL, its LS as stated, unless there was a new disintegration attack that increased to FTL that i wasnt aware off

I was talking about Melt Slash.

reacting to (not outspeeding) 4 LS attack doesnt make the feat the better, btw

It kinda is, considering she had to move both her arms and legs to react from four different places with ease.

u mean reaction speed?

No, i meant movement speed, considering she can fight on par with Diablo. Diablo being a guy who can keep up in speed with Chloe while Chloe is able to outspeed Rimurus future sight. The same future sight that made Melt Slash seem like It stopped in time.

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kaguya was faster than naruto's reactions and she blitz naruto, so yh shez FTL, also, sage mode perception isnt precognition, with the perception (being able to sense attacks and not seeing the attack later before it hits u), u would have to still move ur body faster than it which at that time naruto only had relativistic+ movement feats but naruto later being bloodlusted blitz kaguya

I will say Kaguya being X1 SOL is good, but FTL is a no go. And again, naruto got lucky, je never blitzed

cook- she overwrites laws of objects that she slashes, would need a feat for slashing when her movements is already bounded

susanoo- can i see where it said "it has full control over causality"? cuz all it did was resist time stop not seals

till then, magnet style is working

For cook- you need to argue that naruto uses that at the very beginning of fights. Second, you need to argue that it can bypass her speed, her Sheilds, her Teleportation and her Susanoo.

For susanoo-here

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And no..just no..having full control over means you can manipulate causality, the relationship between causes and effects,which allowing you to decide what happens and what doesn't, when and how.

okay? u do know when tso is used to create something, what it created dont have the disintegration effect, right? guy broke the black shield created by the tso

What??? You said and i quote "TRUTH SEEKER ORBS:These are basically shape-able black orbs that disintegrates both body and souls with a single touch"

So again with the contradiction.

lol and i thought u had knowledge on the series, Naruto with senjutsu chakra is immune to tso effects

Damm, never knew Guy had Senjutsu.

lol so minato's soul is also a justu lmao, funniest thing i have heard...and yes, it still does affect souls

Lmao i know, even more so considering that's what i said. It only effects jutsus. And thanks for proving my point even more, as now you gotta prove it effecting true souls without Chakra.

didnt u read the whole thing especially the last bit?

I read it"harvest" which meant he adorbed it, not busted it.

lol zeno lacks feat to be back up his statements to be above anyone in dbs, gold d roger lacks feat to be above whitebeard, dont tell me bs

BruhX100000000 Zeno is shown to destroy universes with a snap.

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Don't compare fodder to actual universal busters.

anyways, her dimension contained multiple stars and her plan was destroying everything with her ETSO but was stopped by naruto and co, so yes it multi star lvl

Her ESTO didn't even destroy much, it only expanded. And creating=/= destroying.

lol nice counter, showing me sasuke using unmastered rib caged susanoo and getting melted

Thanks?

i dont have scans but remember when raikage broke the same unmastered ribcaged susanoo used by sasuke but he tried to break madara's rib acged susanoo but it didnt budge?? yh it all depends on how experienced and how mastery u have over it...not so much of a good counter when PS>>>>>>unmastered rib caged susanoo lmao

I was not arguing durability. I was saying it has another way of being destroyed.

its not going to harm her, its going to restrict her movement a bit and kaguya has better movements than her victims in it, urashiki could also chill in his dimensional portal while not being affected by it and throws his hook at shion to immobilise her

Her Sheilds would ingore the gravity and the hook so no immobilization. Plus Susanoo effect

ooh u mean after this? yh i know she had one arm torn off then later on tanked naruto's super TBRS

No….as i shown she didn't tank it.

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yh i agree with it being DC and not AP but there was multiple stars in it tho, plus sun and moon....and explain what made u conclude it was smaller with what proof?

Creating=/= destroying so null argument.

will she even have time to activate dimensional barrier, teleport or become intangible when she would unexpectedly get flash frozen?

Yeah, considering the Sheilds are around her 24/7. Her teleportation being instant and her intag being well, intag.

the black shield created by tso can be broken not tso itself

Well that sucks considering naruto broke it with a kick.

time stop is not in character for shion, time teleporting is in character for urashiki and is way faster than her with it....shion being able to teleport as well wont help he against urashiki teleporting minutes forward in time, already seeing where she would teleport next and then teleport where pleases urashiki. For sure, Shion aint touching Urashiki with that hax ability of his and urashiki could sync that with throwing his hooks at her to immobilise her

First, prove he can do that before anything happens.

Second, no. Urushiki is not gonna instantly go for time skip+hook considering he almost never done it in the series. And since you keep on saying no IC for shion, its not IC for urushiki to just F around with time shenanigans. Is so, why did he not do it with his fight against sasuke or burrito.

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Counters against counters to Shion

Here we go

lol first off, reaction speed=/=movement speed which she lacks to show and nah she aint tagging my team, naruto's 50% KCM speed was already compared with teleportation and even blitz raikage's LS reactions (SPSM>>>>>>50% KCM), kaguya was basically blitzing SPSM during mid fight, and urashiki is just untouchable with time teleportation

Ahhh, then why do you keep comparing raikage synapses to movement speed? Kinda hypocritical of you.

Yes she is, with teleportation and pure speed as i shown.

Shion also has resistance to time shenanigans and has her own time abilities with thought acceleration to react to them, so yeah, he's touchable.(even more so with burrito bullying him in the final fight)

lol this man using real life logic to apply to fiction again......ghost/spirits in fiction are able to hold or punch physical things away...souls are intangible which as i showed u before was touched by naruto, u even ignore what sasuke said about physical attacks being useless on limbos smh

Again, real logic can be applied.

Depending on the fiction.

The limbo clone being immune thing is directly countered via being able to be harmed by phyical attacks moment after by naruto.

how is dimension travelling in the barrier folly, and wym not affecting shields? and how they always active? and yh i know BFR'ing Shion would be useless, thats y i didnt use that as an option to win

The Sheilds overlap dimentional so yeah, she is not being BFR.

And how are they always active?

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Due to it being a subside effect of rimuru, which Rimuru has his on 24/7

thats y i said take control of her body for the meantime and a minute is enough for black zetsu to disrupt the time stop

He's not taking control over her body with Susanoo on, and Zetsu has Negative 10 feats of even disrupting time stop.

u said "i fail to see how Kaguya or Urashiki could counter time stop without having complete access to a spiritual body and or a magic that reflects your will." thats y i asked if Kaguya using the extension of her will (black zetsu) counts?

No, it does not. As primordial magic is the only way.

its not a physical attack, its more of an energy attack being coated on ur fist, so it aint a physical attack

??? Again what type of mental gymnastics is that? He uses his own physical force to extend the power. It's literally like boil release increasing your physical strength.

when has it negated a seal? u only showed it stating it negates objects and not seals

It negates effects...as i shown.

when did it say with strength?

"Has enough power to destroy a small country". This.

lol so making a 10M deep slice is more impressive than merely punching and raising grounds making hill sized mini juubis look like an ant? and those orcs lacks durability so adding that, isnt making that feat any more impressive...

Yes it is, as it's superior to nearly creating hills.

she didnt fight diablo physically lol, its still not a physical feat for shion

That entire fight was Diablo and Shion counting each other while fist fighting wtf?

all u showed me was her FTL reactions which naruto has by dodging LS few inches away from his face and i showed u KCM naruto blitzing raikage's LS reactions, SPSM>>>KCM

Again with that? I allready disproved that notion above. And she does have FTL movement as i shown.

can i see where it said "it has full control over causality"? cuz all it did was resist time stop not seals

shion isnt using cook with slashes which she cant do while immobile

??? She does not need to slash to activate it.

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All she needs to do is come in contact with it. And even then, you gotta prove she can be immobilized due to Susanoo.

lol this is preparation before the battle beings, so yes, he can do that at the start or even at that, naruto and kaguya can distract shion while urashiki goes and does his dirty job.....cook is a slash attack, she aint slashing the past or wont even know where urashiki has gone to

Susanoo negates it with the cause and effect null so it's not gonna work.

DONZO

Counters to COUNTERS to CONCLUSIONS

Blep

faster? no (unless with time stop) durable? yes

Allready shown as of why she's faster.

KCM naruto already blitz raikage's LS reactions and SPSM>>>>>>kcm with 50% kurama's chakra and kasguya was already blitzing SPSM naruto and then SPSM naruto later blitz kaguya

Allready disproven that.

-cook requires her to make slashes with her sword which aint happening while immobile

Firstly your acting like shion is gonna be automatically immobilized and second, she doesn't need to slash as i shown.

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-susanoo hasnt shown to escape seals, just time stop, so no unless it was stated it has control over causalities as u stated, then yes

Well look at this-

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-shield can be bypassed via otsutsuki's dimension travel

Already disproven via Sheilds overlapping dimentions.

yh which will be dwelt with via dodging and immobilisation/seals

They can't dodge if they are blitzed and the seal/immobile thing is getting old now. Cook and Susanoo negates it.

not quite

Yes quite.

CONCLUSION

well this was a rollercoaster. Anyway, let me just repeat what i said in my last conclusion.

Shion is not only massively stronger then the team, but faster and more durable.

Their means of immoblising her is nulled with cook,susanoo or sheilds.

Shion has too many ways to ACTUALLY one shot that it's not funny(one shot via her one shot sword)

So in conclusion- the winner is still the amazing Cook Shion

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