Void Shiki (Nasu/Type Moon) vs. Ajimu Najimi (Medaka Box) vs. Fuu (DBH) vs. Heaven Ascension DIO (JJBA)

VS.

VS.

VS.

RULES:

- Everyone at their strongest

- No knowledge

- No prep

- In character, but serious

- Win by any means

- Distance: 100m

- Location: Indestructible universe

Void blinks.

LOL at using hax against a literal Nigh-Omnipotent being like Void.

Thopplss do you really think void is nigh omnipotent when she herself says she can’t kill primate murder or gaias beast? No fucking wonder why arc is put above her, she can’t even defeat a beast that Gaia gave an authority too.

@the_metabee: Void in GO just fights with her katana and doesn't care enough to use her Akasha powers. Archetype Earth being above her is just a feat for Archetype.

Fan Fiction that Gaia also says is wrong (and her herself), don’t say she’s a shadow of her true self when void is KnK has no damn feats or any offensive capabilities (even nasu said she could only fight defensively against servants) she’s still the same void with a servant container that makes her stronger AND is still weaker than PM and Gaia (Or achertype earth)

Dio win because he is badass

All fodder

@the_metabee:

Fan Fiction that Gaia also says is wrong (and her herself),

What?

don’t say she’s a shadow of her true self when void is KnK has no damn feats or any offensive capabilities.

We know what she is and what she is capable of. Akasha is omnipotent and she has high control over it. It was stated she can do just about anything and that she can destroy and recreate the world. Even GO says that she is all powerful and that her existence is the manifestation of the World's principles. I couldn't care less about feats when we have factual statements and basic logic that tells us she is nigh omnipotent.

(even nasu said she could only fight defensively against servants)

Are you for real? Since when is 3rd personality Void? Void is the original personality, while the 3rd personality is normal Shiki after her incident according to Touko.

And that statement is contradicted by his other statements and lore, making it invalid. He places Void in the top 2. And even if we take it seriously, he wasn't referring to Void.

she’s still the same void with a servant container that makes her stronger AND is still weaker than PM and Gaia (Or achertype earth)

Doesn't mean much when she never actually uses her connection to the Root.

^ yep, NEVER, in the entire nasuverse, there's not one instance of her using her connection to the root other than looking deeper into deaths.

@the_metabee:

i keep on telling you that they don't control the root, but from the go stuff? PM is still above her and so is the planet.

Huh? Void has a vast connection to the Root and can do "just about anything" with it. Why are you ignoring that she never uses her powers? She is infinitely above PM.

you finally agreeing those previous statements are invalid?

No, only that specific statement is invalid. The top 3 statement has never been contradicted.

^ yep, NEVER, in the entire nasuverse, there's not one instance of her using her connection to the root other than looking deeper into deaths.

So? She still has it lmfao.

Fodder to a Monster of Gaia

Q: In Nasu's work (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, Fate, DDD) Who's the top three strongest characters?

A:Magical Amber, Neco Arc, and Tiger. Well, not really.

Seriously, it's Arcueid, "Ryougi Shiki", and primordial demons.(Not counting Servants)

Is Top 2 at best when not including servants.

: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

Can only fight defensively against a servant.

Muh Omnipotent.

this whole thing is huh, and also the last thing im going to respond to for an hour.

@the_metabee:

So does manaka.

Manaka is explicitly limited by her magic circuits. Void has no limitations.

Even after Gaia is canonically weaker than chaos and draco is now the strongest planetary class character.

Arc's connection to Gaia is irrelevant if she is placed above someone with a vast connection to Akasha.

Same for servant shiki.

But she never uses it...

Crimson, Void Shiki even agreed she would be screwed if Primate Murder or an equivalent Beast of Gaia showed up and was only thankful they was incomplete Beasts.

Likewise Shiki herself showed up against Goetia and she didn't one shot him either.

Void's power is hilariously overstated as there are things she can do but she's no Omnipotent God in the slightest. She's not above the Beasts and damn certain isn't above TYPEs.

@busterbladex: What part of she is only fighting with her katana and never using her connection to the Root is so difficult to comprehend? She is acting as a Servant for fun. Beasts are lucky that she doesn't care enough to use her true power.

She's not above the Beasts and damn certain isn't above TYPEs.

Yet Nasu placed her above everyone except Archetype Earth. And we have multiple statements of her being nigh omnipotent.

@crimsonslayer85:

What part of she is only fighting with her katana and never using her connection to the Root is so difficult to comprehend? She is acting as a Servant for fun. Beasts are lucky that she doesn't care enough to use her true power.

Because that was never ever stated or even alluded to? It stated that Void Shiki can never focus on anything for herself, not the fact she won't do anything protect her other half or people she cares for, that's why she helped out against the Incomplete Beasts at all. Again, I don't understand why you keep pretending that Void Shiki blatantly stating she can't fight a Beast of Gaia means she somehow has a Gilgamesh complex. And considering it's heavily implied that even as a Servant, she is still capable of making Ryougi and Fujino Pseudo-Servants, I would call that a bleeding lie that she "doesn't care enough to use her power".

Yet Nasu placed her above everyone except Archetype Earth. And we have multiple statements of her being nigh omnipotent.

Wasn't that in a Protagonist Gauntlet? Which didn't include Servants? And considering I have seen the Source and it's 2005-2007, I HIGHLY doubt that it includes Grand Servants, Beasts, The Mechanical Gods, The TYPEs(Which Archetype Earth is JUST an incomplete TYPE) and Lostbelt Kings

And considering Nasu made the FGO Event Garden of Sinners, it seems he stepped back a bit on how strong Void Shiki actually is.

@busterbladex:

Because that was never ever stated or even alluded to? It stated that Void Shiki can never focus on anything for herself, not the fact she won't do anything protect her other half or people she cares for, that's why she helped out against the Incomplete Beasts at all. Again, I don't understand why you keep pretending that Void Shiki blatantly stating she can't fight a Beast of Gaia means she somehow has a Gilgamesh complex. And considering it's heavily implied that even as a Servant, she is still capable of making Ryougi and Fujino Pseudo-Servants, I would call that a bleeding lie that she "doesn't care enough to use her power".

We never see her doing anything beside swinging her katana. The game itself says that she would be all powerful and can render all parameters meaningless with her connection to the Root. It was stated in the epilogue she can create and destroy all of reality and that she can do just about anything. Akasha is omnipotent and Void has large control over it. It does not take much to understand she would blink beasts away. Show me her actually using her connection to the Root. I'll wait.

Wasn't that in a Protagonist Gauntlet? Which didn't include Servants? And considering I have seen the Source and it's 2005-2007, I HIGHLY doubt that it includes Grand Servants, Beasts, The Mechanical Gods, The TYPEs(Which Archetype Earth is JUST an incomplete TYPE) and Lostbelt Kings

Types were included lol. And PM still existed at the time. Servants being excluded is irrelevant since there are many characters that destroys them. Also primordial demons, which are beings of universal scale.

And considering Nasu made the FGO Event Garden of Sinners, it seems he stepped back a bit on how strong Void Shiki actually is.

Considering that Void has the same nigh omnipotent statements of her KnK self, i highly doubt that.

She never uses it ever, period. shes never been shown to use it but only said to be connected to it. (in ALL cases.)

Types were included lol. And PM still existed at the time. Servants being excluded is irrelevant since there are many characters that destroys them. Also primordial demons, which are beings of universal scale.

Goetia is specifically a primodial (or higher dimensional) demon and almost a daemon with his connection to solomon and god, and even after being the pincale of demons, hes never got a universal statement, but PM stuff retconned void along with the others.

Ignoring the meme that is void Shiki and aijumu, Fu either dies to dio or blitzes him.

@sagathelegend said:

Fodder to a Monster of Gaia

Q: In Nasu's work (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, Fate, DDD) Who's the top three strongest characters?

A:Magical Amber, Neco Arc, and Tiger. Well, not really.

Seriously, it's Arcueid, "Ryougi Shiki", and primordial demons.(Not counting Servants)

Is Top 2 at best when not including servants.

: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.

If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

Can only fight defensively against a servant.

Muh Omnipotent.

Void never uses her true powers in GO. Do you want to see what the game says about them?

Well that did not end well for you didn't it? You should do more research next time.

Monsters of Gaia are fodder to this.

Do i need to bring up the epilogue statements of her being able to do just about anything or destroying and remaking reality?

Is Top 2 at best when not including servants.

Which means nothing as there multiple characters that obliterates Servants, including the aforementioned primordial demons. But since you are utterly ignorant of Type Moon, i'm not surprised you thought that this proved anything.

Can only fight defensively against a servant.

Are you that stupid that you can't realise that the statements you have posted contradicts each other? How can she be in Top 2 if she is inferior to Servants? And since when is Ryougi 3rd personality Void? Void is the original personality, the only mention of a third personality in the whole novel is regular Shiki after her incident. So the quote is not only contradicted by other statements, but it doesn't even refer to Void in the first place.

Muh Omnipotent.

Never said she was omnipotent. Akasha is omnipotent and she has a vast connection to it. She is nigh omnipotent but not fully as she still has limitations, but that's still enough to blink anyone on this thread.

At least put some effort in your arguments. This is just depressing. You have already been exposed for downplaying Nasuverse beyond any logic. Void stomps, whether you like it or not.

@the_metabee:

Manaka at least has some feats of connecting mage craft and having knowledge of stuff through the root, while shiki is featless.

How does that change the fact that Void is canonically superior to Manaka lore wise?

Archetype earth is literally gaia jumping from the sea of life and putting the planets soul in arc, and both of those things are below beasts who arent omnipotent avatars.

Yet she is stated to be above Void Shiki and she was confident in defeating her in MB. Her connection to Gaia doesn't mean shit when she is above someone with a vast connection to Akasha.

She never uses it ever, period. shes never been shown to use it but only said to be connected to it. (in ALL cases.)

So?

Goetia is specifically a primodial (or higher dimensional) demon and almost a daemon with his connection to solomon and god, and even after being the pincale of demons, hes never got a universal statement

Goetia is not a primordial demon, and even if he was, CCC takes places in the Universe of Record which has completely different rules and levels of power. Kiara was outright stated to be an entity of universal scale.

but PM stuff retconned void along with the others.

How can you possibly claim this when the very same game confirms the statements from the epilogue? Once again, Void is just impersonating a Servant for fun and only fights with her sword and Mystic Eyes.

@crimsonslayer85:

We never see her doing anything beside swinging her katana. The game itself says that she would be all powerful and can render all parameters meaningless with her connection to the Root. It was stated in the epilogue she can create and destroy all of reality and that she can do just about anything. Akasha is omnipotent and Void has large control over it. It does not take much to understand she would blink beasts away. Show me her actually using her connection to the Root. I'll wait.

The fact you are taking that out of context so much is hilarious considering Parameters don't mean shit when it comes to hax well outside of Void's wheelhouse which is the same damn thing with BB and how if she uses CCC, you are dead period even with the Myth Mystic Code you wear to even the odds.

The fact you keep trying to go "She can use her connections to the Root to beat everyone" completely ignores the fact that Void Shiki ULTIMATELY AGREED WITH MEPHISTO IN THAT THEY ARE FUCKED IF IT WAS A TRUE BEAST OF GAIA(like Primate Murder).

We know that's Void talking as Ryougi Shiki has no idea what that shit even IS. As for the powers of the Root? How you think Shiki and Fujino became Servants in the first place? How you think Void became a Servant in the first place?

Types were included lol. And PM still existed at the time. Servants being excluded is irrelevant since there are many characters that destroys them. Also primordial demons, which are beings of universal scale.

...No they wasn't, want to know how? I explicitly checked that source and it said NOTHING of the sort:

Comptiq 2007-05 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A:

Q: Who's the top three strongest characters?

Q: In Nasu's work (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, Fate, DDD) Who's the top three strongest characters?

A: Magical Amber, Neco Arc, and Tiger. Well, not really.

Seriously, it's Arcueid, "Ryougi Shiki", and primordial demons.(Not counting Servants)

This is especially funny as he explicitly DIDN'T COUNT SERVANTS! Why the hell would not do the same thing for TYPEs when he didn't include Archetype Earth? Who IS Arcuied at full power and an Incomplete TYPE-Earth? Who would be weaker than the other TYPEs? And considering this is at 2007 when later at 2009, Nasu stated that Void can ONLY fight defensively against Servants:

Comptiq 2005-09 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A:

Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?

A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.

If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

and this is BEFORE the FGO Event which was YEARS down the line of both of these explicitly has her state she would lose to a "Beast of Gaia" which has long since been the other word for PRIMATE MURDER, aka, Beast IV.

I know you keep trying to pretend Void Shiki is some super ultra omnipotent God but we know that's bullshit and still is even now. Can she do things with the Root? Yes. Is she 100% apathetic? No, she explicitly saved Shiki Ryougi twice on her own volition and even allowed Fujino to be a Servant. I feel you missed the entire thing and then some.

Considering that Void has the same nigh omnipotent statements of her KnK self, i highly doubt that.

So does most of the Divine Spirits? So does God Arjuna, as well as most Beasts, the TYPEs, etc. etc.

You really are wanking Void Shiki to some absolutely bullshit standard that she isn't in canon because if she could delete beings from existence, then she wouldn't be SOL against Primate Murder by her own statements made by Nasu well after both interviews WELL after the time he explicitly amped the power levels of various characters, settings and otherwise by his own words when it came to the Tsukihime Remake!

@the_metabee: Goetia is never stated to be any of those types of Demons, he's a Beast who is already on a bullshit level of power considering we know PRECISELY how much power a Grand Servant is capable of with the release of Olympus with the amount of Magical Energy needed to even summon one(and Goetia used Solomon's Living Body and nothing else and when he was mistaken as a Grand, no one questioned otherwise) even before we count his AAS Conglomerate on top of that.

Fou and the other Beasts would be on the same level of unbelievable power so if Void sees herself unable to kill one, she's fucked against the rest, let alone The Types.

Either fuu wins or void. Natsu the only verse we're the scaling literally all over place. Some people have them at 8d and other have them at planet level. Fuu multiversal +, has multiversal + reality warping and completely immune to multiversal time manipulation due to dogi dogi.

@busterbladex:

The fact you are taking that out of context so much is hilarious considering Parameters don't mean shit when it comes to hax well outside of Void's wheelhouse which is the same damn thing with BB and how if she uses CCC, you are dead period even with the Myth Mystic Code you wear to even the odds.

Paramaters are not meaningless to Beasts but they are to Void. And it doesn't say just that. It also says that she is an omnipotent wish granter and that her existence is the manifestation of the world's principles. It was stated in the epilogue that she can do just about anything and remake the world.

The fact you keep trying to go "She can use her connections to the Root to beat everyone" completely ignores the fact that Void Shiki ULTIMATELY AGREED WITH MEPHISTO IN THAT THEY ARE FUCKED IF IT WAS A TRUE BEAST OF GAIA(like Primate Murder).

Does not mean shit. She never uses her powers in GO. The very same game itself calls her the strongest. And so does the KnK epilogue. Her saying she can't beat it while she is fucking around as a Servant is meaningless, especially when the game itself and other sources says otherwise.

This is especially funny as he explicitly DIDN'T COUNT SERVANTS! Why the hell would not do the same thing for TYPEs when he didn't include Archetype Earth? Who IS Arcuied at full power and an Incomplete TYPE-Earth? Who would be weaker than the other TYPEs? And considering this is at 2007 when later at 2009, Nasu stated that Void can ONLY fight defensively against Servants:

Did not know that Types were Servants lmfao. Archetype Earth was included. Just because she is called "Arcueid" it doesn't mean that she is normal Arcueid, especially when Akiha (who is stated to likely exceed Arcueid at full power) and Roa (who is implied to be stronger than Type Moon in his prime) couldn't make it to the list. Even freaking Ciel at her peak stomps normal Arcueid. Primate Murder existed yet he is nowhere to be seen. Same for Aoko, Kishima, Nrvnqsr, Roa, Shizuki, Akiha and others who would absolutely obliterate Servants. Primordial Demons are entities of universal scale yet they ranked below Void. Void blinks Servants and beasts, you are trying too hard to deny a very simple statement.

And considering this is at 2007 when later at 2009, Nasu stated that Void can ONLY fight defensively against Servants:

Wrong, that statement is from 2005, while the top 3 is from 2007. So if anything, the top 3 takes precedence.

And that statement is not even talking about Void, who is the original personality, but talks about Ryougi 3rd personality, aka the Ryougi we see for the majority of the story, aka altered female personality Ryougi that was altered after the death of the male one.

Nevermind that this statement is retconned, as Ciel is later stated to be able to fight Servants in general and Ryougi defeats characters that shits on them.

and this is BEFORE the FGO Event which was YEARS down the line of both of these explicitly has her state she would lose to a "Beast of Gaia" which has long since been the other word for PRIMATE MURDER, aka, Beast IV.

Who was ranked below Void in 2007 already. The same FOG Event that places Void above fucking everyone once she bothers to use her connection to the Root.

I know you keep trying to pretend Void Shiki is some super ultra omnipotent God but we know that's bullshit and still is even now. Can she do things with the Root? Yes. Is she 100% apathetic? No, she explicitly saved Shiki Ryougi twice on her own volition and even allowed Fujino to be a Servant. I feel you missed the entire thing and then some.

You are the only pretending she isn't as powerful as the lore states her to be.

Evidence that Void is that strong:

-Her whole existence in general, having a vast connection to the omnipotent source of all creation.

-The statements in the KnK epilogue.

-The statements in her FGO profile.

-Her being top 2 in a list that included characters that reduces Servants into a red paste by lifting a finger.

Evidence she is not strong:

-A statement that was referring to normal Ryougi after her incident, and that is further retconned when Ciel is later stated to be able to fight Servants in general and when Ryougi fights characters far more powerful than Servants.

-Her saying she can't beat a Beast, while she is impersonating a Servant for fun and only using her sword and Mystic Eyes, with the same fucking game where she said this noting that her powers are above anything in the setting, which is consistent with all of the other statements about her.

Nothing was retconned. It's just you making mental gymnastic about her depowered self.

So does most of the Divine Spirits? So does God Arjuna, as well as most Beasts, the TYPEs, etc. etc.

Except that those are legit and are supported by her being connected to the Root. I couldn't care less about statements of characters that can clearly be defeated and surpassed.

You really are wanking Void Shiki to some absolutely bullshit standard that she isn't in canon because if she could delete beings from existence, then she wouldn't be SOL against Primate Murder by her own statements made by Nasu well after both interviews WELL after the time he explicitly amped the power levels of various characters, settings and otherwise by his own words when it came to the Tsukihime Remake!

You are really downplaying Void Shiki to some bullshit standard because if she was that weak, then neither KnK nor FGO would describes her as the strongest, nor would Nasu place her as the second strongest. He only said that he would amp the 27 DAAs, which doesn't mean much when the only ones we saw were the best of the best that made the others looks like nothing.

We literally see in his character mats that there higher dimensional demons that goetia found weird that they were obeying humans.

And no, Fou and the rest of the beasts (beside draco who is a rank above him) are weaker than him in power output and there "threat"

You are really downplaying Void Shiki to some bullshit standard because if she was that weak, then neither KnK nor FGO would describes her as the strongest, nor would Nasu place her as the second strongest. He only said that he would amp the 27 DAAs, which doesn't mean much when the only ones we saw were the best of the best that made the others looks like nothing.

You dont play go do you? they specfically have Chaos as number 1 (and with some earth mother goddess functions, he should also be vaguley connected to the root). hes also considered "omnipotent" but do we give him the same wanking as void? NOPE.

@the_metabee:

You dont play go do you? they specfically have Chaos as number 1 (and with some earth mother goddess functions, he should also be vaguley connected to the root). hes also considered "omnipotent" but do we give him the same wanking as void? NOPE.

Pretty sure that's never stated anywhere at all. And even then, Chaos being number 1 in GO does not make him number 1 in all of Type Moon. "Omnipotent" here is an hyperbole obviously. Void is more credible because the source of her power (Akasha) is legit omnipotent.

You do know chaos is still stronger than void and magicians who still have the connection? and in terms of the nasuverse, he should have the highest mystery (other than Spishtar) and is a celestial object too (basically a type but stronger).

Hes stated to be above goetia, above Draco, above Gaia, above the grails, above the mooncell; who are all stated to be omnipotent, meanwhile void says shes omnipotent and then says "were fucked if fou was mature"

@the_metabee:

You do know chaos is still stronger than void and magicians who still have the connection?

Why? Because you want him to be?

and in terms of the nasuverse, he should have the highest mystery (other than Spishtar) and is a celestial object too (basically a type but stronger).

Beyond irrelevant.

Hes stated to be above goetia, above Draco, above Gaia, above the grails, above the mooncell;

Irrelevant. Especially the Moon Cell since it's the Moon Cell from Extella, not CCC.

meanwhile void says shes omnipotent and then says "were fucked if fou was mature"

She never said that. It's the lore that describes her as such. You guys are beyond desperate at this point. I don't give a flying fuck about a shadow of Void that doesn't even use her true powers saying she can't beat someone the actual Void was already placed above by the author. Try harder.

Literally

Especially the Moon Cell since it's the Moon Cell from Extella, not CCC.

There is no evidence of this

Extella Moon Cell and Extra/CCC Moon Cell are the same and CCC is canon to FGO anyway

Gallery

also ExTeLlA's CcC is just your fanfic

@the_metabee:

tell me any magician can beat him. go on.

Why does it matter? Who cares? Why are you even bringing up magician?

Mystery = Connection to the root.

.............. You are the god of fanfictions.

CCC Amaterasu who is in the Universe of Record, with completely different laws and levels of power>CCC Moon Cell with infinite sized spaces and higher dimensions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chaos > Zeus > Sefar > Amatersu > Extella mooncell

Corrected.

Whats that video that dude sent? and no, facts dont care about your feelings, cope harder, shadow void or not, she below chaos, also whats void saying she could grant any wish?

Funny how you talk about facts when i'm the one using them. Again, i don't care that a shadow of Void who doesn't use her powers admits she cannot beat someone. I care about the real Void being described as the strongest and placed in top 2.

@nurseryrhyme:

There is no evidence of this

Extella Moon Cell and Extra/CCC Moon Cell are the same and CCC is canon to FGO anyway

Except the massively different and contradicting lore between them? To the point that Nasu had to rewrite Fate/Extra just to fit with Extella? Thanks for showing you know nothing about it.

Extra Moon Cell's goal is to observe humans and tries to delete Hakuno after winning.

Extella's Moon Cell is trying to find a suitable defender to defend against the Umbral Star and gives Regalias to Hakuno and the Servants.

CCC Gilgamesh is unaffected by the Far Side.

Extella Gilgamesh is affected by the Far Side.

Extra Hakuno has one Servant in every timeline/route.

Extella Hakuno has all four Servants.

This goes on and on.

Pretty sure Hakuno's canonical gender is even different.

Nasu rewrote Extra to fit Extella and called it Extella Zero, because Extra did not fit with Extella at all. The real Hakuno there is male canonically. Last encore shows the true Hakuno is female, which is a continuation of an Extra bad end.

CCC is not canon to GO. Extella is.

also ExTeLlA's CcC is just your fanfic

No it's factual my friend. Gilgamesh and Elizabeth never met Hakuno in Extra or Extella Zero. An Extella version of CCC is the only explanation.

Your arguments are really meme tier.

i know this is from the wiki but still;

"Mystery(localized as "Mystics") is a sliver of power of many different types that comes from the Root."

Where is my fan fiction?

@the_metabee:

Amatersu (Who is not in the universe of record I.E the mooncell) has admitted she lost to 4th form sefar, 7th form made her run.

so let me fix it for you.

Chaos > Draco > Goetia Zeus > Sefar > Amatersu > Extella mooncell > Fodder CCC mooncell that cant change the world and is threatened by damnanti planet nps.

Sefar doesn't even exist in CCC lmfao. And CCC takes places in the universe of Record, which has different laws and levels of power. Extella instead takes place in the Near Side, which is still the universe of Observation. I don't care if Extella Amaterasu is weaker than Sefar because that has no bearing on CCC Amaterasu.

The Moon Cell can't change the world? Except the whole point of winning the war was to put one of its infinite futures into effect and change the world.

The Moon Cell in CCC has never been treatened by fodder anti planet NPs.

"ReAl VoiD" featless void that has never defeated anyone nor has she ever used her connection and is a fable human who would die if ryougi died.

Try again.

Her being featless does not change the facts. Lmfao. You are just desperate at this point.

Voind blinks fodder Chaos.

That's why mystery is related to magecraft a lot and not True Magic, which is the thing actually connected to Akasha.

There is a difference between coming from Akasha and being connected to it. Because, you know, literally everything in existence comes from Akasha.

what do you think of this photo? the relevancy will be revealed later, but tell me how powerful do you think this attack was?

While your at it, tell me if this seems higher dimensional instead of just a multi-layered shield using dimension to describe it?

It's infinite right? (and yes its from GO, and you have any problems, stop using last encore that GO uses)

Its definitely not compared to the

finite and normal sun.

What about this?

Also...

calculations/operations and scale means that the scale of which the Moon Cell is operating at. The Katakana says power-source

Star level mooncell confirmed.

^ Proving its elimination of parrel universes (solar systems) was just a VERY shitty fantasy tree.

but what about the mooncells true size?

But not only that, Gilgamesh and the rest of the cast, can die from Kiara's NP, which is SPECIFICALLY anti planet. MULTIVERSAL OR NO?

Its pruning and timeline destroying shit? it was all buddah forcing the moon cell to stop supporting worlds with its energy, which shut them down as i suspect it acts like a fantasy tree (to which if cut down, the world gets destroyed) I.E the mooncell is barely fantasy tree level but at least those things can actually house a galaxies worth of energy compared to the moon cells single star digit.

and it only affected gaias tree of time, which only extends to the solar system.

@the_metabee:

There the same Amatersu bud, and the universe of observation (Solar System) the universe of record (Mooncell) and is she ever been seen in the mooncell or her own separate realm?

What?

Same device that cant make everyone cheese.

It has limits to what it can manipulate in the outside world, yes. But what it can manipulate and contain in its own world is pretty crazy.

Kiaras NP ring a bell? same np that kills tanamo who can kick the mooncell to smithers?

A random planet being shown in the attack animation =/= the attack itself being planet level.

^ Correct, your coping and using contradicted lore to say void is still stronger and your still using the top strongest, lets use your poor arc to scale everyone above void, do you want that? because we can go through that again

Except that lore is uncontradicted lmfao. Archetype is above Void and she has no anti feats to disprove her status as number one strongest. They both one shots Chaos.

Don't understand what you mean with the shield. But you are using Extella/GO automatically making it irrelevant.

Its definitely not compared to the

finite and normal sun.

Feat for the sun in a verse where planets contain entire cosmos.

Star level mooncell confirmed.

Star level in the context of the Nasuverse.

"^ Proving its elimination of parrel universes (solar systems) was just a VERY shitty fantasy tree."

The stuff in Extella isn't even a recton.

It basically stops timelines from branching out too much because the universe would collapse in on itself from too many finite timelines, since the energy required to sustain them doesn't exist in "this dimension." Ignoring the fact this is entirely incompatible with the old canon having infinite timelines, the Moon Cell is higher-dimensional and has possibilities not yet put into effect in the normal reality. Along with again... different laws and how shit works is different.

What the normal universe can contain =/= what the Moon Cell can contain.

but what about the mooncells true size?

Being finite on the outside does not mean that it can't be infinite in the inside. Thopples said this too. Do i need to bring up for the centillionth time the statements of the Moon Cell having infinite futures and the infinite distance to the core? CCC even literally did this when BB trapped Hakuno in a box that looked finite on the outside but was actually infinite inside. You are reaching meme tier of denial.

But not only that, Gilgamesh and the rest of the cast, can die from Kiara's NP, which isSPECIFICALLYanti planet. MULTIVERSAL OR NO?

It's not anti planet.

Even Goku could solo them 🤣

@crimsonslayer85:

Paramaters are not meaningless to Beasts but they are to Void. And it doesn't say just that. It also says that she is an omnipotent wish granter and that her existence is the manifestation of the world's principles. It was stated in the epilogue that she can do just about anything and remake the world.

Dude, that doesn't even begin to make sense because the fact that Nasu states that Void Shiki can ONLY fight Servants in a defensive matter like Shiki kinda goes against that. You are basically believing she can literally snap beings out of existence when her very words go against that.

And Remake the World? You do realize that the Beasts can literally do that? Lostbelt Morgan can do that as can God Arjuna, it's not as "all powerful" as you think it is.

Hell, due to the Tsukihime Remake, ARCUEID, NOT ARCHETYPE EARTH, can "destroy and remake the World" due to one of her skills as well as Dead Apostle Ancestors. It's not even all that powerful as you think it is nor is it unique to her.

Does not mean shit. She never uses her powers in GO. The very same game itself calls her the strongest. And so does the KnK epilogue. Her saying she can't beat it while she is fucking around as a Servant is meaningless, especially when the game itself and other sources says otherwise.

"Literally turning Shiki Ryougi and Asagami Fujino and herself into Servants = Never uses her powers" That is some great logic there... and a repeat of the same thing despite multiple beings and even Summer BB can literally do the same thing with their NPs.

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This is effectively meaningless and like everything else you pull from Shiki Ryougi, you pulled it from Nasu's words and selectively picked and chose what he stated and ignore everything else that goes against it. You even believe that "she doesn't use her powers because apathy" when she literally did that to save 2 people and defended Ryougi Shiki herself.

Did not know that Types were Servants lmfao. Archetype Earth was included. Just because she is called "Arcueid" it doesn't mean that she is normal Arcueid, especially when Akiha (who is stated to likely exceed Arcueid at full power) and Roa (who is implied to be stronger than Type Moon in his prime) couldn't make it to the list. Even freaking Ciel at her peak stomps normal Arcueid. Primate Murder existed yet he is nowhere to be seen. Same for Aoko, Kishima, Nrvnqsr, Roa, Shizuki, Akiha and others who would absolutely obliterate Servants. Primordial Demons are entities of universal scale yet they ranked below Void. Void blinks Servants and beasts, you are trying too hard to deny a very simple statement.

So we are going to pretend TYPEs are weaker than Servants now? Despite the fact that Beast VII is explicitly looking for a stronger body and Rasputin puts in the example of TYPE-ORT? And here's the hilarious part: You ended up making my point yourself by putting in characters that COULD be stronger than the 3 Nasu mentioned but he didn't mention them nor the Servants nor the Divine Spirits or CCC BB, Kiara, Velber, Outer Gods or anyone else. Maybe it could mean... Nasu retconned who are the strongest standing characters in the series are and we shouldn't rely on shit in 2007-2009 as the main canon over something he explicitly wrote on?

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And the FGO Event Garden of Sinners Nasu worked on was in 2016! How the hell do they stay relevant when:

1. Nasu explicitly aimed to make a higher power level system of his series as he was working on the Tsukihime Remake which radically altered character abilities, Dead Apostle Ancestor rankings and even how their abilities worked and even gave Arcueid more bullshit abilities even before she hits Archetype Earth? Including adding in Grand Servants, Beasts, Lostbelt Kings and the Machine Gods.

2. Void Shiki emphatically states she would lose to Primate Murder? Which was in both Japanese, Fan Translations and Official Localization. Meanwhile, Arcuied's abilities primarily stick around what she was in Tsukihime outside of showing just how powerful she really is but keeps her within the bounds of what Nasu stated(she can fight one Servant but more than 1 is a losing battle, Gilgamesh can bypass her strongest abilities, Arcuied sees Excalibur as something of an equal to her).

Except that those are legit and are supported by her being connected to the Root. I couldn't care less about statements of characters that can clearly be defeated and surpassed.

Crimson? That doesn't even BEGIN to make sense and it shows you have fucking NOTHING. CCC/Summer BB can emphatically create Worlds and even with the Mythological Mystic Code, she can instant kill you if she uses CCC. Summer BB was emphatically taken down by Rhongomyniad, the same thing which took down Kirschtaria's Animus Animusphere which is what allowed Lostbelt Zeus to see the former as an equal. God Arjuna can literally remake the entire World. Divine Spirits have been shown to emphatically be able to create Miracles in terms of their Authorities or equivalents in the terms of Machine Gods.

And that's rich considering Void Shiki had to hide herself to avoid being killed by the Counter Force. You know? That thing she should be able to "easily wipe out" if she was so omnipotently powerful you keep ignoring.

You are really downplaying Void Shiki to some bullshit standard because if she was that weak, then neither KnK nor FGO would describes her as the strongest, nor would Nasu place her as the second strongest. He only said that he would amp the 27 DAAs, which doesn't mean much when the only ones we saw were the best of the best that made the others looks like nothing.

Stop pretending Kinoko Nasu is fucking Kamachi of To Aru fame. The fucker is about as complex as R.L. Stine, Nasu usually changes his mind and constantly moves around on whether or not he wants certain characters to be strong or weak depending on his mindset and right now?

It's obvious as fuck that he doesn't see her as the strongest outside of Protagonists circles which is why he didn't include Servants in the past, very rarely talked about how she would actually fare IN COMBAT and when he did, she didn't fare that well and in 2016 in FGO and in her own fucking Event, she states she would lose to Primate fucking Murder, who we know is Beast IV Fou/Cath Palug. So I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings but the girl is strong when it comes to her abilities but considering how Nasu always ignored how they are combat compatible, it seems like they legit AREN'T.

@lordragoon:Because people go beyond the levels with the dimensional crap or the fact they ignore vital points which show that Nasu only a good 7-8 years ago emphatically changed the powerscaling of his Universe hard and certain characters got left out or gotten fully changed like Void Shiki or Ciel in various ways.

@the_metabee: I'm not going to go ultra hard on this as talking to Crimson is seriously wearing me the hell out so I'll just go fast on your first answer and be on my way:

We literally see in his character mats that there higher dimensional demons that goetia found weird that they were obeying humans.

And you know who else is Higher Dimensional? Tiamat, The Foreign God, God Arjuna. And They canonically stronger than Goetia, his AAS Conglomerate he had to burn 2000 years of Human History well in advance along with Solomon's actual rings is what gives him such an absurd advantage.

And no, Fou and the rest of the beasts (beside draco who is a rank above him) are weaker than him in power output and there "threat"

Due to his AAS Conglomerate, that's the main reason why he is stronger than most Beasts, that's why he's explicitly put on that level. Otherwise he is canonically weaker than Tiamat as it's explicitly stated that with the rise of each Beast, they will become stronger than the last and Goetia cheated that system and Tiamat herself is also stupidly, stupidly strong(being able to literally carry every single Divine Spirit and then some is no joke), she was just under so many handicaps it doesn't show.

Meanwhile Kiara and Kama was never full on Beasts and Koyanskaya was screwed before she ever truly took the seat and the Foreign God in the official translation is heavily implied to be gimped somehow due to the ToE taking damage. So Beast of Sodom being stronger than Goetia in general was a matter of time.

@the_metabee:

Sefar doesn't even exist in CCC lmfao. And CCC takes places in the universe of Record, which has different laws and levels of power. Extella instead takes place in the Near Side, which is still the universe of Observation. I don't care if Extella Amaterasu is weaker than Sefar because that has no bearing on CCC Amaterasu.

1. Sefar DOES exist in CCC, Sefar exists in all timelines due to her being the very reason the Age of the Gods went into decline at all(due to killing the 12 Conceptual God Pillars, the Olympians)

2. CCC explicitly exists in Extella but I can agree that it's confusing but the main reason Gilgamesh is even familiar with you and explicitly helps you out is BECAUSE CCC exists in Extella. I made that same mistake myself like forgetting Velber Archimedes is from an entirely different timeline altogether and Extella Archimedes didn't know and just doesn't care.

And finally, why are you still arguing with Crimson? The dude said that Void can kill Chaos... CHAOS.

The same being that even with the entirety of the Galaxy level AAS Conglomerate, Holmes fully believes that it wouldn't even scratch Chaos's paint. A being that literally exists outside of the Universe and can literally strip Earth bare of not only it's surface and inner world but even it's concepts and spiritrons bit by bit all at once.

But somehow, Void can fuck with him despite nothing stating the Root is even Multiversal, let alone exists within Earth's Boundaries(which is why the Primordial Daemons even exists or the Outer Gods who exists in their own plane of existence)

@busterbladex:

Dude, that doesn't even begin to make sense because the fact that Nasu states that Void Shiki can ONLY fight Servants in a defensive matter like Shiki kinda goes against that. You are basically believing she can literally snap beings out of existence when her very words go against that.

Nice cherrypicking. Ignoring Nasu saying that she is the second strongest? Ignoring the statements of her profile and the epilogue that makes her stronger than Servants by far? Ignoring the very fact she is connected to the source of all creation?

And again, that statement wasn't even referring to Void Shiki since it said Ryougi 3rd personality aka normal Shiki after the incident. In fact, the actual Void Shiki was placed above tons of characters that oneshots Servants.

And Remake the World? You do realize that the Beasts can literally do that? Lostbelt Morgan can do that as can God Arjuna, it's not as "all powerful" as you think it is.

Remaking all of creation>>>>> remaking the world.

"Literally turning Shiki Ryougi and Asagami Fujino and herself into Servants = Never uses her powers" That is some great logic there... and a repeat of the same thing despite multiple beings and even Summer BB can literally do the same thing with their NPs.

She never uses them in combat. And the game itself says that she is an omnipotent wish granter with them. I don't know what other evidence you need.

This is effectively meaningless and like everything else you pull from Shiki Ryougi, you pulled it from Nasu's words and selectively picked and chose what he stated and ignore everything else that goes against it. You even believe that "she doesn't use her powers because apathy" when she literally did that to save 2 people and defended Ryougi Shiki herself.

Funny, that's exactly what you are doing. Cherrypicking some statements about her and ignoring the others that completely contradicts them.

So we are going to pretend TYPEs are weaker than Servants now? Despite the fact that Beast VII is explicitly looking for a stronger body and Rasputin puts in the example of TYPE-ORT? And here's the hilarious part: You ended up making my point yourself by putting in characters that COULD be stronger than the 3 Nasu mentioned but he didn't mention them nor the Servants nor the Divine Spirits or CCC BB, Kiara, Velber, Outer Gods or anyone else. Maybe it could mean... Nasu retconned who are the strongest standing characters in the series are and we shouldn't rely on shit in 2007-2009 as the main canon over something he explicitly wrote on?

What? Where did i ever said that Types are weaker than Servants? Lol. Nasu didn't mention them because they are not strong enough to get into the top 3. Because that's how a top list works you know. Nothing shows that he retconned the top 3 statement.

And the FGO Event Garden of Sinners Nasu worked on was in 2016! How the hell do they stay relevant when:

Same event that calls Void an all powerful wish granter? Sure!

1. Nasu explicitly aimed to make a higher power level system of his series as he was working on the Tsukihime Remake which radically altered character abilities, Dead Apostle Ancestor rankings and even how their abilities worked and even gave Arcueid more bullshit abilities even before she hits Archetype Earth? Including adding in Grand Servants, Beasts, Lostbelt Kings and the Machine Gods.

Irrelevant. This has nothing to do with Void.

2. Void Shiki emphatically states she would lose to Primate Murder? Which was in both Japanese, Fan Translations and Official Localization. Meanwhile, Arcuied's abilities primarily stick around what she was in Tsukihime outside of showing just how powerful she really is but keeps her within the bounds of what Nasu stated(she can fight one Servant but more than 1 is a losing battle, Gilgamesh can bypass her strongest abilities, Arcuied sees Excalibur as something of an equal to her).

A shadow of Void Shiki not actively using her power which are stated by the game itself to be all powerful. Just how many times do i have to repeat this? Lol at Arcueid losing to more than 1 Servants or being remotely concerned with Excalibur. Last time i checked Servants can't survive having a moon dropped on them or one shot someone that needs the firepower to obliterate a continent in order to be killed.

Crimson? That doesn't even BEGIN to make sense and it shows you have fucking NOTHING. CCC/Summer BB can emphatically create Worlds and even with the Mythological Mystic Code, she can instant kill you if she uses CCC. Summer BB was emphatically taken down by Rhongomyniad, the same thing which took down Kirschtaria's Animus Animusphere which is what allowed Lostbelt Zeus to see the former as an equal. God Arjuna can literally remake the entire World. Divine Spirits have been shown to emphatically be able to create Miracles in terms of their Authorities or equivalents in the terms of Machine Gods.

How does that disprove anything i said? None of them have a vast connection to the source of all creation thus they are fodder.

And that's rich considering Void Shiki had to hide herself to avoid being killed by the Counter Force. You know? That thing she should be able to "easily wipe out" if she was so omnipotently powerful you keep ignoring.

Pure fanfiction. She hide because she doesn't care. Not because the Counter Force could kill her. Where the fuck was the Counter Force when she openly appeared on Earth in the epilogue? You are really grasping at straws now.

It's obvious as fuck that he doesn't see her as the strongest outside of Protagonists circles which is why he didn't include Servants in the past, very rarely talked about how she would actually fare IN COMBAT and when he did, she didn't fare that well and in 2016 in FGO and in her own fucking Event, she states she would lose to Primate fucking Murder, who we know is Beast IV Fou/Cath Palug. So I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings but the girl is strong when it comes to her abilities but considering how Nasu always ignored how they are combat compatible, it seems like they legit AREN'T.

Not including Servants means nothing because DAAs, Types, PM, Akiha, Roa and tons of other characters that stomps Servants exist, yet they couldn't even make it to the list and are ranked below Void.

-Void is connected to the Root.

-She was stated in the epilogue to be capable of just about anything.

-She was stated once again in GO to be an all powerful wish granter above everyone.

-She was placed as second on a top strongest list. It excluded Servants, but it did not exclude Types, DAAs and dozens of other characters that makes Servants looks like children.

-The fight defensively quote was referring to normal Shiki, not Void. And it was retconned since Ciel is later stated to be able to fight Servants in general and Shiki defeated characters that are more powerful than them.

You haven't provided a shred of evidence that disproves Void being that powerful beside cherrypicking some statements. Use your head, do you really think that someone that has a vast connection to the source of everything and was stated to be an all powerful wish granter would lose to Servants, even though even regular Ryougi can destroy them based on who she fought?

She has more energy than him SPECIFICALLY because she pulled the same thing he did, in a battle? she has no way of killing him or really defeating him, she just sits on more energy that she can only use to feed herself.

From Hax, Goetia takes it (Other than chaos with the most hax in the series) and quite literally cucked the alien god and survived his earsure.

Though unlike crimson, you know your shit.

-She was stated once again in GO to be an all powerful wish granter above everyone.

Lol at the misinformation.

All it said was all powerful wish granter, not all-powerful wish granter above everyone, who you foolin?

@the_metabee: Literally says her existence is the manifestation of the world's principles.

And is there something wrong with my eyes?

What is the difference between being all-powerful and being all-powerful above everyone? The latter is repetitive

And man up and hit the reply button.