Wonder Woman is would destroy Green Scar Hulk, should be below Superman(are you high or something?), Hal Jordan is NOT superior to Superman, Deadpool would destroy Spider-Man and Aquaman has to be above Tony.
Wonder Woman is would destroy Green Scar Hulk, should be below Superman(are you high or something?), Hal Jordan is NOT superior to Superman, Deadpool would destroy Spider-Man and Aquaman has to be above Tony.
OT: Stops at WW
I put Superman below Hal because Hal > Superman and put Thor above Hal/Superman because Thor > Both of them,
And Green Scar maybe should be below Wonder Woman..
Deadpool wouldn't beat Spiderman unless it was to the death, and that would most likely be a stalemate considering that Deadpool can't die.
@noone1996: ah yes, so Vision who already had his phasing backfire against Iron Man (on several occasion) is going to try to phase through him again, just in case... Because Vision is an idiot with memory span of a goldfish, right?
I'm more interested in how Iron Man is going to beat Vision when the later has traded blows and matched strength against someone who tore Stark's Hulkbuster apart like wet paper. Or the same Vision who actually has a positive track record against Wonder Man, the same Wonder Man who Tony failed to score a single win against (not counting that one time with prep and Beast). Same Vision who casually overpowered Dr. Doom, something Tony never managed to do. Or tanked repulsors and uni-beam from bloodlusted Super-Adaptoid with Iron Man's powers, and even sucker blasts from bloodlusted Tony himself (without even increasing his density to the max). Or, you know, who already one-shot Stark with a blast when he wasn't screwing around.
@toratorn: How convenient. He's not going to phase "this time". That same logic could have easily applied in Waid's Avengers run yet here we are. I guess he does have the memory span of a goldfish.
@noone1996: it didn't stop him in Waid's run... which most definitely had something to do with the fact that the last time he tried that trick, in Civil War, it worked flawlessly. When the trick works once, you're going to try it again. Which is exactly what he did in ANAD. Now he knows better. Assuming that Vision conviniently forgot that experience makes about as much sense as Stark suddenly forgetting how to operate his armor.
@toratorn: Vision was at Stark's mercy after he connected to his systems under Waid. He chose not to shut him down because he wanted to break the control Kang had over him so he rebooted instead. So that distinction about "not stopping him" makes no difference at all. Tony's countermeasures from Iron Man #324 from 1996 took Vision out for the entire issue, yet he still didn't hesitate to try it during Civil War which would have been the next time after that. Also, what's your opinion on Vision basically agreeing with Stark by saying he couldn't "break through" and resorting to phasing immediately after?
@toratorn: Vision was at Stark's mercy after he connected to his systems under Waid. He chose not to shut him down because he wanted to break the control Kang had over him so he rebooted instead. So that distinction about "not stopping him" makes no difference at
I have no idea what you wanted to convey here.
Tony's countermeasures from Iron Man #324 from 1996 took Vision out for the entire issue, yet he still didn't hesitate to try it during Civil War which would have been the next time after that.
Big difference between a countermeasure in a lockplate and a countermeasure in a suit. Which is proven exactly by the fact that it worked in Civil War.
Also, what's your opinion on Vision basically agreeing with Stark by saying he couldn't "break through" and resorting to phasing immediately after?
My opinion is that it contradicts both Vision's and Stark's feats. Oh, and that Vision wasn't even going max density here, since both of them were in the air.
I wanted to convey that Tony could have shut him down if he wanted to. You make it seem like he couldn't stop him and was forced to reboot him. He didn't have to reboot once he dug into his systems. You said "it didn't stop him", but he just chose not to.
Yes, I'm sure a lockplate has more countermeasures than an armor that he wears. That's probably why in that storyline all of the Avengers go back in time to get a younger Tony Stark to stop him instead of just getting Vision to fight him. Again, the Civil War writing was nonsense. He didn't disrupt his molecules like he does when he phases and solidifies. If he did then Stark would have been KO'd. He just phased which disrupts technology in the Marvel universe, but simple phasing has shown that it doesn't work on his modern armors.
Even though they were fighting on and off panel for the entire issue without Vision having any remote success at all and Stark admitting he doesn't want to fight him? Ironically enough, he's even shown matching Vision's heat vision with his casual, holding-back intensity repulsors. The same heat vision blast which is supposedly capable of one-shotting that armor.
I wanted to convey that Tony could have shut him down if he wanted to. You make it seem like he couldn't stop him and was forced to reboot him. He didn't have to reboot once he dug into his systems. You said "it didn't stop him", but he just chose not to.
Ugh. I'm perfectly aware that Stark could have shut him down. That's not what I meant when I said "that didn't stop him". That's what I was replying to with that pharase:
He's not going to phase "this time". That same logic could have easily applied in Waid's Avengers run yet here we are.
My response:
it didn't stop him in Waid's run... which most definitely had something to do with the fact that the last time he tried that trick, in Civil War, it worked flawlessly.
As in, the fact his phasing worked in CW was why he used it again in Waid's run. But that argument is moot for another reason that'll explain later.
Yes, I'm sure a lockplate has more countermeasures than an armor that he wears. That's probably why in that storyline all of the Avengersgo back in time to get a younger Tony Stark to stop him instead of just getting Vision to fight him. Again, the Civil War writing was nonsense.
No matter what you want to think, there's nothing implying Stark had these countermeasures against Vision in his suit until... what, Model Prime? And no, mentioning the fact that Bleeding Edge had countermeasures against Kitty Pryde and previous armours had countermesures against Ghost mean shit, because their intangibility powers are functionally different: Ghost becomes intangible by becoming out of phase with dimensional plane, Shadowcat's becomes intangible by changing vibration rate of her atoms, while Vision becomes intangible through changing his density.
He didn't disrupt his molecules like he does when he phases and solidifies.
That's not how Vision's powers work. He isn't disrupting shit, he simply solidifies his hand slightly inside one's body to cause immesuarble pain.
If he did then Stark would have been KO'd. He just phased which disrupts technology in the Marvel universe, but simple phasing has shown that it doesn't work on his modern armors.
Ah, this bullshit about "phasing shorts out technology" again. Like I said before, that's only what Kitty Pride's phasing does. Exclusively. In fact, Vision has phased through technology, including Stark's classic armors, without any adverse effects on said technology:
As for Civil War, this whole argument becomes irrelevant since the Vision that phased through Stark's armour in Civil War wasn't the original Vision, but a completely different character. Ergo, Waid's run was the first time when original Vision phased through Stark's armor and it backfired. So there's literally no reason for him to try that again instead of, you know, pulling him apart manually.
Even though they were fighting on and off panel for the entire issue without Vision having any remote success at all and Stark admitting he doesn't want to fight him?
Except Stark never "admitted that he didn't want to fight him". Re-read the issue. Not to mention, not once in the fight we saw Vision punch him or increase his density (because they were airborne for the entire fight). That's literally everything we saw of their fight:
Of particular interest is Stark sucker-punching Vision who's not even using increased density and this punch doing absolutely nothing.
Ironically enough, he's even shown matching Vision's heat vision with his casual, holding-back intensity repulsors. The same heat vision blast which is supposedly capable of one-shotting that armor.
Something tells me that the assumption about "casual, holding-back intensity repulsors" was pulled right out of your ass, seeing how there was no dialogue, narration or any information whatsoever about the intensity of Stark's repulsors.
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