Villian match up. Who wins? Sukuna/ Mahoraga(JJK) Vs Zabuza/Haku (Naruto)

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Poll Villian match up. Who wins? Sukuna/ Mahoraga(JJK) Vs Zabuza/Haku (Naruto) (22 votes)

Sukuna Team 68%
Zabuza Team 32%

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Jjk team takes it.

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Haku was throwing hands with War Arc Guy and Lee, JJK side doesn't have the speed to react.

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Haku was throwing hands with War Arc Guy and Lee, JJK side doesn't have the speed to react.

If I recall, JJK should have sub rel - relativistic scaling, which makes them not too inferior speed wise

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JJK isn't rel lmao

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@saxz: The most you can do is MHS via Gojo's black flash statement and that's not enough.

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@maulsmacker: Purple? Kashimos EM waves, Kenjaku reacting to a black hole?

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@saxz: The most you can do is MHS via Gojo's black flash statement and that's not enough.

There should be others, especially if Kashimo is involved.

@maulsmacker: Purple? Kashimos EM waves, Kenjaku reacting to a black hole?

How do you react to a black hole bruv?

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@supreme101: Purple isn't Lightspeed, Kashimo lost to a Sukuna who couldn't blitz people who are def not LS and the last one needs more explaination, tho Kenjaku being THAT much faster than Piercing Blood and Naoya won't make sense anyway.

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#9  Edited By Supreme101

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Purple isn't Lightspeed

It's imaginary mass, it should be a no brainer.

Kashimo lost to a Sukuna who couldn't blitz people who are def not LS

Sukuna can't blitz people who aren't LS? What jjk have you been watching? He's dominated nearly every single character post Gojo while he was already weaker with his CE plummeting due to not seeing them interesting. The gap made between mid tiers and even top tiers was made apparent.

and the last one needs more explaination, tho Kenjaku being THAT much faster than Piercing Blood and Naoya won't make sense anyway.

In what way? He's shown casually avoiding piercing blood,beating choso with low level curses and still having taken both him and Yuki down and as for Naoya(whos speed is mentioned as a mistake) he needed to be made weaker and snuck by Yuta(with Todos help) to be cut down.

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@supreme101:

It's imaginary mass, it should be a no brainer.

Psuedo-Science aside, It's not even imaginary mass, that's just a common mistranslation, the actual translation is virtual mass.

Sukuna can't blitz people who aren't LS? What jjk have you been watching? He's dominated nearly every single character post Gojo while he was already weaker with his CE plummeting due to not seeing them interesting. The gap made between mid tiers and even top tiers was made apparent.

he couldn't blitz Yuta and Yuji inside Yuta's Domain Expansion and had to do a desperate gamble and expose himself to Maximum Output Jacob's Ladder and got injuries and may have lost if Megumi willed, do you think Yuta is like, 200,000× faster than Curse Naoya?

In what way? He's shown casually avoiding piercing blood,beating choso with low level curses and still having taken both him and Yuki down and as for Naoya(whos speed is mentioned as a mistake) he needed to be made weaker and snuck by Yuta(with Todos help) to be cut down

he got tagged by piercing blood at one point.

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ryomen sukuna solos them hes atleast alive ems madara.

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#12  Edited By Supreme101

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Psuedo-Science aside, It's not even imaginary mass, that's just a common mistranslation, the actual translation is virtual mass.

A. That wouldn't matter it's the same thing

B. Even the anime refers it as imaginary mass

he couldn't blitz Yuta and Yuji inside Yuta's Domain Expansion and had to do a desperate gamble and expose himself to Maximum Output Jacob's Ladder and got injuries and may have lost if Megumi willed, do you think Yuta is like, 200,000× faster than Curse Naoya?

Against Sukunas whos not trying? while fighting multiple characters at the same time? While being made gradually weaker? Not to mention his own CE plummeting because of him? Yes he is much faster than Naoya.

he got tagged by piercing blood at one point.

Because he was knocked off balance and well as weighed down.

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@supreme101:

A. That wouldn't matter it's the same thing

this is baseless

B. Even the anime refers it as imaginary mass

The manga says Virtual Mass, so it is Virtual Mass

Against Sukunas whos not trying? while fighting multiple characters at the same time? While being made gradually weaker? Not to mention his own CE plummeting because of him? Yes he is much faster than Naoya.

If Sukuna isn't trying he can't be making "desperate gambles" No, and he is fighting multiple characters, so? that stops him from blitzing multiple characters? and it's not like Sukuna had a different approach to Kashimo and Yuta fights. Yuta is not 330,000 times faster than Naoya I'm afraid.

Because he was knocked off balance and well as weighed down.

he is never shown outright blitzing it like a relativistic character would do to a Mach 1.XX attack.

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#15  Edited By Supreme101

@maulsmacker:

this is baseless

Virtual and imaginary means not real.

The manga says Virtual Mass, so it is Virtual Mass

Where? Translation?

If Sukuna isn't trying he can't be making "desperate gambles" No, and he is fighting multiple characters, so? that stops him from blitzing multiple characters? and it's not like Sukuna had a different approach to Kashimo and Yuta fights. Yuta is not 330,000 times faster than Naoya I'm afraid.

Said directly by the manga. if the opponent isn't strong he nerfs himself. Even chapters later with the damage he ends up taking his CE if put down to yuta's level. The desperate gamble was world slash because his entire body was torn apart while being made gradually weaker. and as I said he's not outright statuing because he's nerfed.

he is never shown outright blitzing it like a relativistic character would do to a Mach 1.XX attack.

You literally posted a scan of him casually dodging it. He even makes fun of it. Do you expect him to go full throttle to avoid it? we've seen his speed when his life is on the ropes(the black hole which he reacted too)

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they should be able to blitz sukuna in theory, but i don't see them having the necessary AP to 1-shot Magora before it starts adapting

OT: JJK team

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@supreme101:

Virtual and imaginary means not real.

not being real =/= achieving the speed of light.

Where? Translation?

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Yuki's Star Rage/Bom Ba Ye and Hollow Purple has the same wording, virtual mass and nothing else.

Said directly by the manga. if the opponent isn't strong he nerfs himself. Even chapters later with the damage he ends up taking his CE if put down to yuta's level. The desperate gamble was world slash because his entire body was torn apart while being made gradually weaker. and as I said he's not outright statuing because he's nerfed

Sukuna is stronger in the Yuta fight than he was in the Kashimo fight where you've him at some dumb Relativistic measure, he.exposed himself because he ran out of ways to beat them because two arms Sukuna inside Yuta's domain was not winning, he would've won if his attack speed was actually thousands of times above the speed level of everyone else in the verse bar Gojo and 100% Sukuna.

You literally posted a scan of him casually dodging it. He even makes fun of it. Do you expect him to go full throttle to avoid it? we've seen his speed when his life is on the ropes(the black hole which he reacted too)

he said it's not that scary after its initial velocity has been dodged, he dodged the initial velocity yes but he didn't blitz it, until Kenjaku for some reason just decided to not blitz down choso and yuki?

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@maulsmacker:

not being real =/= achieving the speed of light.

So I guess having a different name but meaning the same isn't the same by your case.both concepts involve imparting imaginary/unreal values to real matter, leading to its erasure or annihilation.

Yuki's Star Rage/Bom Ba Ye and Hollow Purple has the same wording, virtual mass and nothing else.

That also has translation for imaginary. Even the technique is referred to as "imaginary technique" by gojo not to mention it once again says imaginary mass in the anime.

In fact it even has the kanji for "virtual" as well.

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Sukuna is stronger in the Yuta fight than he was in the Kashimo fight where you've him at some dumb Relativistic measure, he.exposed himself because he ran out of ways to beat them because two arms Sukuna inside Yuta's domain was not winning, he would've won if his attack speed was actually thousands of times above the speed level of everyone else in the verse bar Gojo and 100% Sukuna.

Am I srsly gonna have to repeat myself? he was never trying that was his mistake on his end once he started getting messed up that's when he resorted to desperation.

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not to mention right after that this statement comes as well as casually destroying evewryone else despite having gotten weaker even more. the fact his CE level was dropped to yutas in the new chapter shows he was that much more powerful since the beginning.

he said it's not that scary after its initial velocity has been dodged, he dodged the initial velocity yes but he didn't blitz it, until Kenjaku for some reason just decided to not blitz down choso and yuki?

you still showed him casually avoiding it he says the speed is the scary part not that it was a relative speed level indicated by him doding it with ease. He in fact stood there talked then avoided it.

and wdym just not decided to blitz them down?

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All this while physically tired

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Imaginary mass.

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#20  Edited By Monarch_knight

If it wasn't for Mahoraga's adaptation ability i would back team 2,but they don't have an attack that could take him down in a few shots,so jjk team takes this.

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This is spite in favor of JJK team.

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#22  Edited By Nozak
@almightyspeaker said:

This is spite in favor of JJK team.

agreed. this version of Sukuna is like Edo Madara rinnegan tier. match up with that tier and it'll be a fair fight.

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@nozak: sukuna isn’t touching edo madara tier.

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@supreme101:

So I guess having a different name but meaning the same isn't the same by your case.both concepts involve imparting imaginary/unreal values to real matter, leading to its erasure or annihilation

Post the statement that says Virtual Mass is moving at the speed of light? Light Speed Yuki would certainly be funny.

That also has translation for imaginary. Even the technique is referred to as "imaginary technique" by gojo not to mention it once again says imaginary mass in the anime.

In fact it even has the kanji for "virtual" as well

Because Imaginery Mass is the mistranslation, the actual translation is virtual mass, Hollow Purple is just Star Rage + Spatial Manipulation + a lot more power because Gojo is stronger than Yuki.

sadly, Hollow Purple and Yuki neither are Lightspeed just because they're "virtual mass"

Am I srsly gonna have to repeat myself? he was never trying that was his mistake on his end once he started getting messed up that's when he resorted to desperation.

You can repeat yourself all you want, Sukuna was canonically pushed to desperation by Yuta and Yuji.

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he was messing around in the sense that he was not using domain expansion like he did chapters later or Kamino Fuga, he didn't use them against Kashimo either, his punches and foot speed didn't get reduced by him finding Yuji and yuta not Gojo level lol

not to mention right after that this statement comes as well as casually destroying evewryone else despite having gotten weaker even more. the fact his CE level was dropped to yutas in the new chapter shows he was that much more powerful since the beginning.

his CE level was at Yuta's level DURING the fight with Yuta and Yuji, it hasn't dropped in many chapters.

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he also didn't casually destroy anyone, all his moves failed against Maki so he had to get a black flash to temporarily take her out. after that, we're at Kusakabe, Ino, Choso, Laure, Miguel and Yuji? none of them are Yuta level, Maki both times simply got hit by Blackflashes which are explicitly luck and not skill.

you still showed him casually avoiding it he says the speed is the scary part not that it was a relative speed level indicated by him doding it with ease. He in fact stood there talked then avoided it.

he dodged it by the time it reached him, when a character is actually fast, high hypersonic or something, here is what they do to piercing blood, which is just blitz it.

and wdym just not decided to blitz them down?

both Yuki and Choso landed blows on Kenjaku

and in the panel you posted, they were also about to land blows on him, he used gravity manipulation here, no blitz.

All this while physically tired

where are you getting that Kenjaku was tired against them?

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@maulsmacker:

Post the statement that says Virtual Mass is moving at the speed of light? Light Speed Yuki would certainly be funny.

Where did I say yuki was lightspeed? Yuki puts virtual mass in her she dosen't becomes virtual mass nor does the virtual mass travel.

Because Imaginery Mass is the mistranslation, the actual translation is virtual mass, Hollow Purple is just Star Rage + Spatial Manipulation + a lot more power because Gojo is stronger than Yuki.

Prove it's mistranslated you do realize kanji especially in sentencing can have multiple meanings right i literally just showed one right there.

sadly, Hollow Purple and Yuki neither are Lightspeed just because they're "virtual mass

So I guess immesurable dosen't mean with no end because it's not the word infinite. And your Yuki comparison was garbage.

You can repeat yourself all you want, Sukuna was canonically pushed to desperation by Yuta and Yuji.

Because he never took them seriously, it took him bringing down his own CE+all that accumulated damage to be brought down to yuta's lvl.

he was messing around in the sense that he was not using domain expansion like he did chapters later or Kamino Fuga, he didn't use them against Kashimo either, his punches and foot speed didn't get reduced by him finding Yuji and yuta not Gojo level lol

Sukunas wasn't able to use DE or Fuga in the first place. Do you even know what his BF amps were for?

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And yes it was reduced he was being chipped away at and even hen they only started doing serious damage once he was weakened so much.

his CE level was at Yuta's level DURING the fight with Yuta and Yuji, it hasn't dropped in many chapters.

Even with all the damage he took and all the CE he expended his CT was burnt out and then referred to as being on Yuta's level

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he also didn't casually destroy anyone, all his moves failed against Maki

so he had to get a black flash to temporarily take her out.

He was literally dodging all her attacks casually and ragdolling her. Then he finishes her with a BF. Not to mention at that point he wasn't even serious.

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after that, we're at Kusakabe, Ino, Choso, Laure, Miguel and Yuji? none of them are Yuta level, Maki both times simply got hit by Blackflashes which are explicitly luck and not skill.

And? Sukuna's trying to prioritize healing which BF is stated to amp. Why say that as if he's trying against Choso Miguel Ino and kusakabe? he was destroying them.

he dodged it by the time it reached him, when a character is actually fast, high hypersonic or something, here is what they do to piercing blood, which is just blitz it.

Casual feat.

both Yuki and Choso landed blows on Kenjaku

Ay bro why not explain the context.

Not only did he use a domain just prior, he couldn't use CTs and took damage not to mention he's being weighed down by Yuki's cursed spirit. Your scan even shows that😭

and in the panel you posted, they were also about to land blows on him, he used gravity manipulation here, no blitz.

How is that not a blitz he use it before they could do anything else. It's not a blitz because he used his power? what kinda logic is that? He was replinishing his CT even.

where are you getting that Kenjaku was tired against them?

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@maulsmacker: It's not even a real debate in a VS atp we weren't even arguing about who wins.

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#28  Edited By Savage_Emperor1

Jjk duo win this but sukuna being above mach 4/5 is laughable.

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Haku was throwing hands with War Arc Guy and Lee, JJK side doesn't have the speed to react.

Doesn't matter, neither of these two will kill Sukuna/Mahoraga before he decides to just pop domain expansion since he has regeneration and will not hesitate to do so if he feels outclassed. They also have no feats or sensory abilities that suggest they could even see or sense cleave/dismantle, so if Sukuna gets an attack off they will get the Ryu Ishigori treatment. Sukuna is slower than most if not all high tier Naruto characters, but he should at least be capable of reacting to lightning. With his RCT regen, he only needs to survive long enough to use any of his one-shotting attacks which the duo cannot heal from nor will they be tanking them (Zabuza was being injured by basic weaponry used by fodder ninja and haku has no real piercing damage resistance feats).

Even if Zabuza and Haku wanted to blitz Sukuna, they would likely go for the Silent Killing technique which is their signature move- and that technique would 100% fail to kill Sukuna. This is under the assumption that their attacks will even cause Sukuna fatal harm when he's tanked things like hollow purple, and Mahoraga hasn't even been discussed yet which is honestly not even needed here.

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@almightyspeaker: Zabuza uses his superior speed and cuts his head off, what's Sukuna's response considering decap>RCT?

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Hollow Purple being LS is dumb logic. We don’t know the inner mechanics of Hollow Purple or its particle features to equate to literal imaginary mass that we define it as. “Imaginary Mass” by Hollow Purple means doesn’t have equivalent applications to what it’s theorized to be in real life and it doesn’t operate like it does irl as it does in the manga. Of course, it’s the one guy arguing this who makes constantly bad JJK arguments and will turn around to discredit much more solid speed-metas.

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@pics: yup jjk fans will wank literally anything in the verse to absurd speeds then deadass claim that more concrete feats from other verses shouldn’t count.

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@almightyspeaker:

“ They also have no feats or sensory abilities that suggest they could even see or sense cleave/dismantle”

The whole point of silent killing is that zabuza is fighting blind and relying his enhanced sensing instead of sight.

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#34  Edited By Supreme101

You want to come at me and talk crap when your pushing a bs narrative to discredit the mechanic in the first place. It’s imaginary mass what more do you want. don’t discredit anything I just actual info and showings unlike your pathological wanking ass. You legit think Kizaru dosent need to accelerate to move ftl or think he can move at LS without transforming with -0 proof.You can’t even differentiate showings actual statements on mechanics.

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@manimalman: I don’t I just use actual showings. In fact I’ve shat on JJK too. Because low to mid tiers even some high ones are fodder. God tiers are the main powerhouses. For other verses I’d do the same via actual showings

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@supreme101: going off actual showings jjk top tiers are single digit mach and city lvl (with a few exceptions like yuki’s black hole)

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@supreme101:

You just do baseless research, showcasing that you have actual zero credibility. You don’t understand the concept of what Imaginary Mass is period, this is why I know why your metas are simply bad.

Imaginary Mass is a phenomenon associated with particles that theoretically shouldn’t exist. In our case, we theorize the idea of tachyon particles, particles that exceed the speed of light, is it real? Maybe or Maybe not, that by itself does NOT define Imaginary Mass though. You do realize Hollow Purple can both be Imaginary and sub-LS? Why? Because Imaginary Mass isn’t limited to one thing, it’s a broad spectrum, Tachyon particles just being the most theoretical. Imaginary Mass can exist independent of actually being this set speed, ignoring the fact it can both be faster or slower than light-speed. You wouldn’t know this though, because your logic-brain is off and powerscaler-brain is cranked to the max, so you half-ass your research and sound foolish wanking Hollow Purple for what it’s not. Anyone looking at Hollow Purple and then what we theorize to be these hypothetical particles will tell you there is absolutely ZERO similarity. Gege’s take on Imaginary Mass in-canon has nothing to do with its properties to irl, nothing remotely states this.

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inb4, I get another “You’re not reading!!! Prove it’s different!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬”

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@pics:

You just do baseless research, showcasing that you have actual zero credibility. You don’t understand the concept of what Imaginary Mass is period, this is why I know why your metas are simply bad.

Okay moving on lets see what bs you have to say next.

Imaginary Mass is a phenomenon associated with particles that theoretically shouldn’t exist. In our case, we theorize the idea of tachyon particles, particles that exceed the speed of light, is it real? Maybe or Maybe not, that by itself does NOT define Imaginary Mass though. You do realize Hollow Purple can both be Imaginary and sub-LS? Why? Because Imaginary Mass isn’t limited to one thing, it’s a broad spectrum, Tachyon particles just being the most theoretical

Okay now I just know your talking out your ass.

It is a mathematical consequence of trying to describe superluminal particles obeying relativistic equations like E^2 = p^2c^2 + m^2c^4, where for v > c, m^2 must be negative (imaginary) to keep E real.

Imaginary mass arises when formulating relativistic wave equations for hypothetical faster-than-light particles (tachyons). The mass term must be expressed as an imaginary number (complex with zero real part) in order for the energy to remain real

So yes that is what defines Imaginary mass.

Imaginary Mass can exist independent of actually being this set speed, ignoring the fact it can both be faster or slower than light-speed.

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You wouldn’t know this though, because your logic-brain is off and powerscaler-brain is cranked to the max, so you half-ass your research and sound foolish wanking Hollow Purple for what it’s not. Anyone looking at Hollow Purple and then what we theorize to be these hypothetical particles will tell you there is absolutely ZERO similarity. Gege’s take on Imaginary Mass in-canon has nothing to do with its properties to irl, nothing remotely states this.

Gojo calls it a colliding infinities of motion and reversal

Referred to as an imaginary mass

Imaginary mass referred to as infinite in description

You lost

inb4, I get another “You’re not reading!!! Prove it’s different!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬”

Because you not only couldn't but instead spouted nonsense without proof to show.

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Never touch science again.

Okay now I just know your talking out your ass.

It is a mathematical consequence of trying to describe superluminal particles obeying relativistic equations like E^2 = p^2c^2 + m^2c^4, where for v > c, m^2 must be negative (imaginary) to keep E real.

Imaginary mass arises when formulating relativistic wave equations for hypothetical faster-than-light particles (tachyons). The mass term must be expressed as an imaginary number (complex with zero real part) in order for the energy to remain real

So yes that is what defines Imaginary mass.

Which was this, AI or you just randomly pulling this shit from google? You lack the fundamental understanding of what Imaginary Mass means, for you to assert Imaginary Mass has a set-speed shows your complete and utter ignorance. The whole point of Imaginary mass is defying the normal, ignoring the laws of relativity HENCE why Tachyon particles are merely hypothetical because they defy our very understanding of physics. So GUESS what Supreme? if a massless particle can also go faster than light, it can also go slower than light because in the sphere of Imaginary mass, this concept is possible. In the case of tachyon particles, that is the related formula, that doesn't at all define Imaginary mass at all because imaginary mass can completely defy and vary depending on the theoretical assumed particle. Tachyon abides by that formula you described, which isn't what we're talking about or what Hollow Purple is. Stop, we're not talking about Tachyon particles, the formula you posted is which takes the relativistic energy relationships and adjusts it to be quantifiable.

Do your research lil bro

For like the 5th time, we are not talking about tachyon particles. All your sources are reliant on the hypothetical of these faster than light particles, which has nothing to do with Gojo Satoru's hollow purple. Find me a statement of him specfically creating tachyon particles in HP, if you can't do this, then the imaginary mass in question is a completely different mass altogether. You are GENERALIZING Imaginary Mass to be tachyon particles when there can be another Imaginary mass completely different than Tachyon particles. Do you actually even read the shit you're posting? You do know Imaginary mass can be any form of speed because the definition itself is particles that defy our understanding of physics.

Because you not only couldn't but instead spouted nonsense without proof to show.

No, actually do your research. I told you that Gege's take on Imaginary Mass is completely distinct from ours which has to do with tachyon particles. To substantiate my point further, I told what you imaginary mass means and it's associations with tachyon particles, that doesn't make all imaginary mass Tachyon particles. It could very well be imaginary mass that defies our understanding of time and space while maintaining sub-LS attributes. This is possible because that's the point of imaginary mass, it's supposed to defy our understanding of physics hence why Tachyon particles are theoretical. All your sources have been talking about tachyon particles, which I get it, tachyon is literally most associated with the concept, but it doesn't define it. Imaginary particles don't mean they're all tachyon particles and I guarantee you will never ever find anything saying that. If you want to tell me that Hollow Purple is the literal imaginary mass identical to tachyon particles, the screenshots and equations that are literally about tachyon particles, then please by all means show me sources that make tachyon physically destructive like Hollow Purple.

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Which was this, AI or you just randomly pulling this shit from google? You lack the fundamental understanding of what Imaginary Mass means, for you to assert Imaginary Mass has aset-speedshows your complete and utter ignorance.

Never said that. I also don't use AI I've expressed my dislike of it here many times before.

The whole point of Imaginary mass is defying the normal, ignoring the laws of relativity HENCE why Tachyon particles are merely hypothetical because they defy our very understanding of physics. So GUESS what Supreme? if a massless particle can also go faster than light, it can also go slower than light because in the sphere of Imaginary mass, this concept is possible. In the case oftachyon particles,that is the related formula, that doesn't at alldefineImaginary mass at all because imaginary mass can completely defy and vary depending on the theoretical assumed particle. Tachyon abides by that formula you described, which isn't what we're talking about or what Hollow Purple is. Stop, we're not talking about Tachyon particles, the formula you posted is which takes the relativistic energy relationships and adjusts it to be quantifiable.

Yet That's literally what i'm talking about here, And your still wrong they would still continue to move to FTL speeds even if it did start off slower. They always travel towards infinity which you haven't seemed to grasp from my post.

For like the 5th time, we are not talking about tachyon particles. All your sources are reliant on the hypothetical of these faster than light particles, which has nothing to do with Gojo Satoru's hollow purple. Find me a statement of him specfically creating tachyon particles in HP, if you can't do this, then the imaginary mass in question is a completely different mass altogether.

I'm not calling it a tackyon I'm using an equation thats associated from where it derives for the theretical body.

while not strictly forbidden mathematically, the hypothetical tachyons or particles with imaginary mass were originally proposed as always traveling faster than light, and slowing down below light speed would violate the underlying premise which the equation saying as the energy grows the velocity increases to do the opposite it would the energy to increase hwile the speed decreases.

You are GENERALIZING Imaginary Mass to be tachyon particles when there can be another Imaginary mass completely different than Tachyon particles. Do you actually even read the shit you're posting? You do know Imaginary mass can be any form of speed because the definition itself is particles that defy our understanding of physics.

No I never said that just used the equations from which they arise from. And That statement just says defies our understanding of physics can mean anything.

No, actually do your research. I told you that Gege's take on Imaginary Mass is completely distinct from ours which has to do with tachyon particles. To substantiate my point further, I told what youimaginary massmeans and it's associations with tachyon particles, that doesn't makeallimaginary mass Tachyon particles. It could very well be imaginary mass that defies our understanding of time and space while maintaining sub-LS attributes. This is possible because that's the point of imaginary mass, it's supposed to defy our understanding of physics hence why Tachyon particles are theoretical. All your sources have been talking about tachyon particles, which I get it, tachyon is literally most associated with the concept, but it doesn'tdefineit.

Okay you see that but where did you think Imyself was generalizing it?

Imaginary particles don't mean they'realltachyon particles and I guarantee you will never ever find anything saying that.

Correct.

If you want to tell me that Hollow Purple is the literal imaginary mass identical to tachyon particles, thescreenshots and equationsthatare literally about tachyon particles,then please by all means show me sources that make tachyon physically destructive like Hollow Purple.

No I am not saying that.

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This guy cowardly muted me on disc cuz he couldn’t handle me dismantling his arguments lmfao get clowned on had this man so salty he quit😂

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“ They also have no feats or sensory abilities that suggest they could even see or sense cleave/dismantle”

The whole point of silent killing is that zabuza is fighting blind and relying his enhanced sensing instead of sight.

That's not good enough. People in JJK's own verse are incapable of sensing or seeing cleave/dismantle except in rare cases such as Gojo's six eyes. Even mahoraga couldn't react to it at the start of their fight. Zabuza nor Haku can perceive cleave/dismantle, that's asinine to think so when they have 0 dojutsus or notable extrasensory.

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@almightyspeaker: maki with her enhanced senses could perceive the slashes. Sucks that most sorcerers and unadapted mahoraga have worse senses than zabuza apparently.

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@almightyspeaker: Zabuza uses his superior speed and cuts his head off, what's Sukuna's response considering decap>RCT?

Honestly, I don't even think Zabuza has any direct feats to even suggest the speed gap is high enough for him to do that. Mean while we have Sukuna who could keep up with and occasionally even outpace Gojo while not even in his current and much stronger variation. Gojo has feats that clearly make him massively hypersonic+, I see no world where Zabuza is that much faster than Gojo to do something like that. I also don't see any striking feats that imply Zabuza with the executioner's blade would even deal a fatal blow to Sukuna when he's tanked far more immense attacks.

AND NOT TO MENTION... He also tanked his OWN cleave attack (which was produced by Yuta's copy ability), with barely ANY visible damage besides light scratches.

CLEAVE >>> Zabuza's showings with executioner blade, considering cleave specifically adjusts its cutting power to the level of it's target as a power mechanic, and he no-sold that. Show me Zabuza's best striking feat with executioner's blade and it still cannot match up to the level of attacks that Sukuna has been unscathed from even in his lower finger forms.

Speed alone is not enough to win this fight when Sukuna outclasses them in virtually every other category by feats unless you give Zabuza and Haku imaginary strength and durability that they've NEVER shown by using exaggerated scaling.

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@almightyspeaker: maki with her enhanced senses could perceive the slashes. Sucks that most sorcerers and unadapted mahoraga have worse senses than zabuza apparently.

You're trying to use a feat for Maki/Toji as an Anti-Feat for Sukuna, and this is just pure ignorance. Even if you (hilariously) gave Zabuza the benefit of sensory against cleave/dismantle, it still isn't enough to save him seeing as how Gojo who's six eyes would be an insanely potent dojutsu within the narutoverse, still struggled against them towards the climax of the Gojo v Sukuna fight (Sukuna still wasn't at his strongest as even admitted by Gojo). There is no amount of bs you can attach to Zabuza that would give him higher perception than the six eyes unless you pull out feats from fanfiction.

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This guy cowardly muted me on disc cuz he couldn’t handle me dismantling his arguments lmfao get clowned on had this man so salty he quit😂

I didn't mute you man, but I'll give you a hint, his name starts with an L, he is a bleacher and goes by the name pops on there. Surely this isn't difficult for you to put two and two together.

Regardless, you couldn't debate your premise on cord and you still can't do it now. I usually stop responding to you when you're just outright not reading and making the same repetitive argument. Your response warrants whether I respond or not, otherwise I consider it cooked and move on with my day.

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I didn't mute you man, but I'll give you a hint, his name starts with an L, he is a bleacher and goes by the name pops on there. Surely this isn't difficult for you to put two and two together.

You said by bye then I was muted seconds later. Leo later replaced it.

Regardless, you couldn't debate your premise on cord and you still can't do it now. I usually stop responding to you when you're just outright not reading and making the same repetitive argument. Your response warrants whether I respond or not, otherwise I consider it cooked and move on with my day.

Same for me tbh. You didn't even understand I was agreeing with you and using the differentiating argument that backed the imaginary mass yet you couldn't see that and kept saying otherwise shoving shit down my mouth or just blatanly didn't understand at all not my fault tbh,At least I back my arguments and not depend on shitty headcanon that the manga I worship says otherwise.how was Kizaru without transdorming LS again again oh right because he can "move his photons"💀 Keep ignoring the other showings saying otherwise and stay on that copium.

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You said by bye then I was muted seconds later. Leo later replaced it.

You can't tell me what i did, unfortunately. I said bye because he already muted you, then said "let me change it to days" to which you got unmuted and then muted again, by Leo.

Same for me tbh. You didn't even understand I was agreeing with you and using the differentiating argument that backed the imaginary mass yet you couldn't see that and kept saying otherwise shoving shit down my mouth or just blatanly didn't understand at all not my fault tbh,At least I back my arguments and not depend on shitty headcanon that the manga I worship says otherwise.how was Kizaru without transdorming LS again again oh right because he can "move his photons"💀 Keep ignoring the other showings saying otherwise and stay on that copium.

You're coping. You couldn't prove your imaginary mass point because it sucks, you couldnt read it, you couldnt read what I said, in all aspects, you fundamentally failed proving anything. Don't care for the Kizaru debate because it's irrelevant to the topic, I already been proved your headcanon wrong, then did it again for shits and giggles.

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You can't tell me what i did, unfortunately. I said bye because he already muted you, then said "let me change it to days" to which you got unmuted and then muted again, by Leo.

You said that before I was muted. But fine then.

You're coping. You couldn't prove your imaginary mass point because it sucks, you couldnt read it, you couldnt read what I said, in all aspects, you fundamentally failed proving anything. Don't care for the Kizaru debate because it's irrelevant to the topic, I already been proved your headcanon wrong, then did it again for shits and giggles.

Mhm keep telling yourself that. Because even now you still couldn't seem to grasp what I said as well as ignore your very own manga because you can't seem to accept that your own argument isn't without it's flaws.

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