Vilgax vs Invincible

Vs

Rules

in character

standerd gear

no knowledge

no prep

no bfr

original vilgax only(no alien force or ultimat or future feats)

Fight!

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Vilgax for now

Didn't Way Big beat Vilgax by throwing him into space? I'd say Invincible.

Is it animated invincible?

If so he could lose in a long fight

Vilgax is quite impressive, he’s sent heatblast flying through multiple buildings with one simple outward throw, he’s shaken mountains too IIRC and diamond heads hands were breaking on his skin.

@laflux: that don’t matter much since no BFR

Vilgax will give Invincible the battle beast treatment p2.

@tellyg47: in no way would vilgax dominate the one who caught a meteor, which would've ended a Country, in reentry and threw it several miles, making him abt a 50k tonner as a lowball.

I think Vilgax would win as of now but by no means would it be like how BB manhandled him.

@akz: Hyperbole. If I remember correctly. His surviving a nuke feat in the original series puts him above Mark.

@tellyg47: surviving a nuke isn’t that big and durability isn’t everything.

IIRC Vikgax once survived a Country level attack in Alien force (the Original series version shouldn't be much weaker then that)

Definitely isn't, but it's more than what we've seen Mark currently been able to handle. Vilgax has an edge over reaction speed and durability. And at best that Meteor was small country level, like you said he just threw it back, which would be considered lifting strength.

@omega7373663: no alien force feats so can’t use that

Current animated Mark get's episode 5ed again

@tellyg47: Vilgax definitely does not have better reaction, Mark has already shown Hypersonic reaction speeds whereas vilgax has shown supersonic, tagging xlr8 isn’t hard, literally all the villains xlr8 goes up against does, and invincible is faster than xlr8.

Vilgax has Durability and maybe striking strength but Mark has Speed and lifting strength.

Ultimately I give it to Vilgax, as I’ve said, but in no way would it be a stomp, it’d be a rather long and bloody fight (If Vilgax even has blood, can’t even remember lol).

@akz:

Invincible has been hit by Allen the Alien with plenty of time to dodge in space. He got grabbed by the alien general in the same episode and couldn't react to the general ground pound. There were no reaction feats in episode three that I can remember. In episode four he ran away from the Martians. I just don't see this being that close.

I agreed with you that Vilgax fought a supersonic - sonic+ XLR8 during s1-s2, but that doesn't change the fact that VIlgax has still shown better reaction speeds. The alien general was not moving in hypersonic speed when he jumped onto Mark.

Once he gets in Vilgax range, or gets cocky and lets Vilgax grabbed onto his leg, he's getting pounded into the ground. If he does push VIlgax off, his attacks are getting withstood (heavily damaged). or he's going to panic and go into that rage mode like episode five, leaving himself even more open.

I'm pretty sure he does have blood. It just never was shown.

@tellyg47: u can’t just mention Invincibles anti-feats and vilgax only good reaction feat, invincible actually has plenty reaction feats which fodderises vilgax only one, u can rewatch eps 1-5 and pay close attention, I assure you Marks reaction speed is far superior.

Also no way in hell that vilgax would just no-sell marks best hits, he’s gonna defo get injured.

@akz: Shouldn't have to look for feats for a character I'm debating lol.

@tellyg47: wut?

I just recommended u to rewatch eps 1-5 and pay attention this time round, that’s all

@akz: Tanking < no-sells.

@tellyg47: he tanks em but with some severe injuries

Mark doesn't have enough feats to contend.

@akz: I edited post 17 to not use incorrect terms.

@deactivated-607eeebca6181: I mean the villains in Ben 10 could just have fast reaction time and Xlr8 has dodged lasers and lightning so tagging Xlr8 ain’t as easy as you think it is

@beyonder55: the account is deactivated lol

OT: I dunno classic Villy, but Mark loses to Ultimate Alien Vilgax

OS Vilgax could go either way, later series wrecks him.

Vilgax

Guys, we all love Vilgax. But be realistic, Mark stomps Vilgax hard. This is not Ben. This is Mark. And Mark is stronger than Ben's aliens (stronger than most if not all). Mark wins easily.

@watcer: we’re talking about animated invincible also some versions of Vilgax can beat mark

Vilgax. Even Original Series Vilgax could no sell nuke-level attacks.

@beyonder55: It doesn't write anything like that. Also which form can beat Invincible?
Guys, Mark is from the Viltrumite. And Viltrumites are very durable. As you can see in the series, Omni-Man showed resistance to a nuke. And it took no damage. Even if Vilgax held out, he nearly died. Vilgax failed to beat Way Big at all. Mark stomps Way Big hard too. Way Big is 40-60 ton. And Mark can lift casually 400 tons. Mark blitzes.

@watcer: Waybig’s not 40-60 tons 🤣 You got the proof for that? Waybig has busted small planets and lifted carriers. Ink tank did a calc putting his weight alone somewhere around 70,000 tons. Mark’s not beating an FTL Planet buster like Waybig. He also loses to a handful of other aliens.

@watcer: Vilgax "almost died" to nuke pre cybernetic enhancements. When Ben first fought him in Ep13, he could tank nuke-level attacks.

@thegreatone003: I heard from writer. And writer says "Humungousaur can lift Way Big. And Way Big is around 40-60 Tons". And do you have proof for that? 70,000 tons lmao. Mark can easily defeat Way Big. Also Way Big is not a planet buster. Prove it.

It's laughable to see people not believing in planet level way big even in 2021 but anyway :

(Credit goes for Delein for making this post)

general informations: To'kustar can easily destroy planets with their cosmic rays, Way Big in his base form (not ultimate if you may) is one of the strongest alive of his species.

feats:

1) game-feat (which is non canon but I'm gonna use it as a supporting evidence ) --> Albedo as Evil Way Big (basically a re-skinned way big with his version of the omnitrix) destroys Proxima Centaury B (A planet slightly then Earth given its diameter and that is roughly 4.2 light years from earth) like he was popping a baloon : (1) Ben 10 Ultimate Alien Cosmic Destruction Walkthrough Gameplay Complete Game - YouTube around 1:11:30

2) Ben as Way BIg destroyed iirc roughly half of Third form Malware (in Omniverse) which in one of his weaker forms (2nd form iirc, but the point is that it was a weaker and less durable/strong overall form) survived the destruction of Galvan B the moon of Galvan Prime:

Galvan B | Ben 10 Wiki | Fandom ( a description of what Galvan B is)

at 0:36 (1) Ben 10: Omniverse - Showdown, Part 2 (Preview) Clip 3 - YouTube you can see glimps of Galvan B after its destruction ( Galvan B is going to be rebuild later in the episode) and from the start till 0:51 you can see how Ben destroyed half of Third Form Malware with his cosmic disc/ray.

3) Ben reacts and overpowers the Incursean Conquest Ray which previously destroyed Pluto ( the ship was near Earth and the ray istantly destroyed pluto, crossing the solar system at mftl speed);

Incursean Conquest Ray | Ben 10 Wiki | Fandom description of said ray and it destroying pluto

Gigante vs Raio da Conquista - YouTube Ben overpowers the ray

4) Ultimate Waybig was able to fight Dagon who is a threat to Sir George who was holding the Ascalon (a weapon that can destroy entire planets)

5) Way Big Was able to lift an Hyperspace jump gate which was heavier than the moon (lol at 40 tons)

@omega7373663:1-4 are meaningless. 1 is not canon. And we talk about normal Way Big here. Not ultimate. And this is just a calculation. Also quite illogical.

Let's take a look at Mark.

Mark busts a planet with 2 Viltrumites.

Redirects a meteor and meteor is pretty huge.

Can survive temperatures as cold as near absolute zero and temperatures nearly as hot as the surface of the sun. Also he can travel 8000 miles less than 25 seconds. This is around Mach 1600 if "less than 25 seconds" is 24 seconds.

He can fight head to head against strongest Viltrumite Thragg.

Unscathed by a nuke. 1

Easily benches four hundred tons early on. 1

Temporarily outspeeds an FTL ship.

Easily blows up some spaceships. 1

So anyway, Mark blitzes Vilgax. Blitz Way Big too.

@watcer said:

And this is impressive to Way Big because? And why are you using the comic version?

1)I only used the first scan as a supporting evidence I know it's not really canon (ignoring the fact that there are some evidence that proves that the game is canon by the way)

2) Ultimate forms were shown at best to one shot almost 100 version of themselves easily as demonstrated by ultimate Humungosaur so base Waybig is still around Large planet level.

This kind of arguments doesn't change anything Way big feats are calculated as drawf start level which is far above anything invincible has shown.

Good still fodder to way big

Idk why you are bringing feats that are even Fodder to base way big tbh and resisting Cold is meaningless.

okay? You are again using the comics version which is irrelevant to this thread and that still fodder to way big

You didn't give any good reason for why invincible would beat base way big let alone Ultimate way big

What. I've done so many feats and you're still saying "that's not enough". A classic Ben 10 Fanboy.

@watcer: ^ what Omega said. Can you show me the author statement of Waybig being a 40 tonner? Not that it matters because feats>author statements

@omega7373663: He didn’t tag you for post #41

@watcer:

Yeah the three Viltrumites destroyed Viltrum who explicitly needed the help of an unstoppable laser to destabilise the planet or else they would die on impact.

The same unstoppable laser that is literally explicitly shown to destabilise things in case you want to try and debunk that.

Ontop of all of this they themselves said they still needed luck to do all of that.

So I suggest you reread the comic and actually pay attention to what happened in this feat.

Very well. Okay. Maybe Way Big can defeat Mark. But Vilgax have no chance.

"And this is impressive to Way Big because? And why are you using the comic version?"
Why shouldn't I use it?

Why is comic Mark being talked about here?smh.

Because we are using the cartoon version

Invincible

@watcer: Waybig is dwarf Star level look up his feats also Diagon herald Vilgax and Malgax can beat animated mark we’re talking about not comics mark also Waybig reacted to the conquest ray which can move at massively faster than light speed since it reacted pluto in a few seconds from earth also mark not planetary the planet he destroyed had a weak core that destabilize the planet and needed help from other Viltrumites Malgax is comparable to third form malware who survived a moon sized explosion

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