Vegapunk vs Amado

Now its even more worse.Vegapunk is nothing but a Goofy Clown

Needless to say Amado´s Cyborgs>Isshiki>Jigen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OP Verse

1) And Amado created cyborgs that can also solo the same verse, something Vegapunk failed to so since one of his cyborgs got stomped by Rob Lucci.

First off while Atlas is a clone of Vegapunk as far as we know Atlas isn't like an actual combative person. The Pacifistas are the combat made cyborgs while the Seraphim are just the better version of the normal Pasifistas to a ridiculous degree... and guess what the Seraphim haven't even hit their prime yet and are still children being perfected.

Also when did strength of a cyborg determine who's the better scientist... not like Vegapunk couldn't compete with Amado with Seraphims which are not even fully formed yet one of the strongest beings in one piece being able to fight even if briefly with like half of the strawhat crew coming out clean.

2) Bro digitalized memory and consciousness lol along with the cyborgs he made being at the top of the verse, he definitely the better scientist

Uh you talking about Vegapunk...?

1) Amado’s cyborgs would fodderize Vegapunks cyborgs, actually, the whole verse. He translated Shibai Otsutsuki’s DNA into Daemon and Eida.

Go to Eida vs Luffy & Ichigo look at my post #52 that it goes over like almost every way someone like Luffy could counter Eida (It doesn't even have to be Eida) also most of the counters which applies to Eida could also probably be applied to her brother Daemon as well though that speculative.

Also it's hilarious you think one of Amado's cyborgs can solo the One Piece verse.

Also then again Amado had a better subject for him to take from while Vegapunk doesn't have something like a Shibai who is perceived as a god (at least not that we know of yet). And then again your trying to equate a new, off the factory shelf, young seraphim to Amado's already essentially finished cyborgs.

Also when we compare Vegapunk's seraphim to one of Amado cyborgs we see a clear winner:

Seraphim; Lunarian (Flight, speed, borderline invinibility), Warlord (innate strength, maybe also a fishman etc), Cybernetic Enhancements (Scope, Reinforced body), Inbuilt Lasers, Devil Fruits (Swim Swim Fruit, Paw Paw Fruit, etc), and more abilities/unexplained things like the Greenblood, the passing down of techniques with the Lineage Factor (S-Shark used fishman Karate) and there's even more we don't know about them as like I said they are quite new and YOUNG.

Amado's Cyborgs; Sometimes part Shibai but otherwise Human, Sometimes Ninja Tech, and that's about it. Unlike Vegapunk, Amado doesn't have all his inventions in a single being and have that being essentially cloned multiple times as he has multiple creations each capable of different things with some having some advancements while the others not.

Also Vegapunk literally did something with pure tech which Amado couldn't do with his ninja chakra aided tech... and that is make a clone that has personality. Vegapunk was able to make 6 clones of himself and have all of them are him with selected parts of his personality.

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2) Vegapunk hasn’t even made a cyborg at the level of a Yonko yet while Amado’s cyborgs are above Jigen.

Bruh the Seraphim are children, they are new, they haven't even shown all they can do and still they have tanked kicks from Sanji and have clashed with Blackbeard a literal Yonko... and they aren't even adults yet nor have they hit their full potential... and seemingly they all have devil fruits as well that works with their abilities very well (S-Shark has Swim Fruit, and S-Bear has the Paw Fruit which is broken).

3) Not to mention, Amado>>Vegapunk in terms of design and cyborgs that can solo a verse, unlike the pacifistas

Soloing a verse isn't that hard all it depends on is the verse and who's doing it like Enies lobby Lucci could solo the entire Attack on Titan verse and if that Lucci can that means normal Kuma Pacifista's certainly can and this is especially so for Seraphim.

Also having your own robots go rogue and become your enemy doesn't signal to me greatest craftsmanship now this isn't to say Vegapunk is perfect (he is a perfectionist though...) but Amado literally made his own problem.

Also Vegapunk while you may think he looks dorky, design wise he's better than Amado. Vegapunk is littered with references to Einstein, to Thomas Edison, to Isaac Newton, then he is surrounded with themes of celestial bodies like stars and such... so design wise with just how much not only relates to the Stella/Main Body but the "satellites" aswell vegapunks design has much more interest to him than Amado's.

Anyways that'll be it for now but Vegapunk just has too many better pieces of tech than Amado who relies on chakra derived tech.

1) Lmao, is this a joke? Cuz I don’t see how vegapunk is comparable to Amado in any way Amado>>

The only and I mean ONLY scientific achievement you can argue Amado did better was in making his clone/cyborgs potentially stronger than the Seraphim.

But even then that is cast into doubt as Amado has the help of chakra and the body of Shibai's body to make all of his creations become that strong in the first place. While Vegapunk only relies on pure technology while Amado has a literal magic system to help make his technology.

Not to mention as I have said many times before even comparing Vegapunks Seraphim to Amado's cyborgs is already faulty as the Seraphim are even fully finished and in fact we are still learning things about them in addition they are still children not at their peak power. Think of S-Hawk the Dracule Mihawk Seraphim now imagine what a fully realized S-Hawk could become... Mihawk is already as strong as a yonko, then imagine your adding lunarian lineage factor to the mix for like essentially invulnerability, speed, flight, and fire generation/manipulation to that already insanely strong Mihawk then give him the best cybernetic enhancements possible giving him even greater power, durability and abilities... then you give that same Lunarian Cyborg Mihawk a devil fruit... and since we know that the Lineage Factor bestows the clone with their skills the Mihawk would also have Mihawks literal world class swordmenship ingrained in their body... then now imagine if you gave them time to marinate and get used to their powers and abilities its absolutely ridiculous how much potential Seraphims have and if Vegapunk sticks around the Seraphims could contine getting new things they can do or reveal things we didn't know yet.

While Amado's Cyborgs are already done as he has no more say on influencing their power level as he already did all his modifications by making them a Cyborg and giving them abilities. While in contrast the Seraphim will continue to feel the affects and benefits of Vegapunks alterations of him making them part lunarian and by altering their lineage factor as they grow up and feel how much being part lunarian makes them stronger.

Anyways as I have already said variety and researching ability both easily go to Vegapunk who has already shown dozens of inventions with many more on the way and Vegapunk literally is multiple people so his researching ability is already leagues better than Amado. Lastly Vegapunk is a born genius who has been making insanely high tech machines and such even as a little boy and this is only compounded by his ability to store an infinite amount of knowledge.

Vegapunk simply outclasses Amado who needs chakra for half the technological advancements he does. And if Vegapunk entered the Naruto verse with the knowledge of chakra he'd be better than Orichimaru, Kabuto and Amado combined as a scientist and would be making cloned cyborgs stronger than any Amado could ever make (without the need of killing children like Amado did with his experiments).

TLDR: Researching ability, variety, and greater inventions all go to Vegapunk with the only hiccup being the strength of Vegapunks versus Amado's clones/cyborgs. Yet still the Seraphim have more potential than Amado's creations as even S-Hawk (Kid Seraphim Mihawk) can clash with Blackbeard a yonko with ease and leave the battle with nary a single scratch (S-Hawk is Mihawk, part Lunarian [King] part Cyborg [Pacifista] with also probably a Devil Fruit user among a bunch of other abilities as well).

1) u always writing essays for me bruh

It's not just you my posts no matter who have always been no less than a couple sentences. Though they probably average like fourish paragraphs of writing per response.

2) That’s why I take time to reply u cuz I needa sit down and read through and reply and I’m busy with school stuff atm

Take your time if you want though of course I don't want to be left hanging but like you don't have to respond within the hour. Good luck with your work!

3) and no lol, Amado can transplant godly abilities into other lower tiers to boost them. Those godly powers are not of his planet, they are beyond the understanding of anything on their earth.

So Amado can take a sample from the flesh of a extremely rare species touted by many as gods and are extremely powerful and resilient... that literally is like exactly the same as Vegapunk sampling a Lunarian's Lineage Factor to splice it with warlords to make his Seraphim... in fact both Otsutsuki and Lunarians are literally both touted as gods and have a relation to outer space/the moon... like I get the feeling you haven't read One Piece... but Amado using another species to give another species an ability is as I said like exactly what Vegapunk did.

4) And he can transplant memories and consciousness.

Great now can he save his daughter by himself... oh wait... that didn't turn out right now did it. Amado may be able to do that but he can't tansfer personality. While in contrast Vegapunk can do literally what Amado couldn't like six times over with Punk Records and all of his clones/offshoots which also hold his personality.

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5) Not only that but he outsmarted Shikamaru who as only a kid had an iq of 200. Delta is pure tech btw

I know Delta is "pure" tech... but she also for the most part uses chakra ninja tools in fact like most if not all ninja tech uses artifical chakra pathways and chakra to operate. Additionally, Delta has shown to use chakra tools and abilities so no as I alluded to earlier she is actually not "pure" tech although she does have the drone which doesn't use chakra.

While great Amado can outsmart Shikamaru, Vegapunk within seeing a single fight with one of his Seraphims he had not only discovered more secrets about how the lineage factor works and within that time frame Edison thought up a new invention. Vegapunk is incredibly smart and just so you know outsmarting Shikamaru doesn't nessessarily mean Amado is smarter than Shikamaru it only means he has more knowledge than him.

6) and any of the cyborgs solos one piece not only Seraphim. Not “finishing” his creation is not an excuse tbh, that’s not my fault that he isn’t smart enough not to finish it off.

That's not it... it's not that he isn't smart enough, it is that it literally takes time to make them and last time I checked no one has a time machine to go into the past to make sure he can age them up faster (he has already accelerated their growth any further and their could be risks and Seraphim are expensive).

And no Amado's Cyborgs do not Solo the verse(and even if they did that doesn't make him a better scientist than Vegapunk) especially when there are ones like Ada/Eida which as far as we know is like mostly non combative (she said so herself). Luffy would obliterate let Ada/Eida alone G5 post Wano Luffy as far as we know since she has been portrayed as pretty weak she would not be much of a challenge.

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And for counters to Ada/Eida's abilities you can go to Eida vs Luffy & Ichigo look at my post #52 that it goes over like almost every way someone like Luffy could counter Eida which is one of Amado's cyborgs.

Anyways that'll be everything for now I guess.

EDIT: Fixed grammar.

EDIT 2: Large addition. Lots of Grammer, etc.

1) I don't get the "Amado made stronger cyborgs" argument. This is verse specific.

I agree and even if they were the same it wouldn't change the fact that we are comparing new, young, and also still pretty unknown Seraphim to Amado's already made and finished Cyborgs.

2) Vegapunk could also recreate what Amado did if he had acces to the same resources and vice versa.

While yes I do think if you teleported Vegapunk into the Naruto verse he'd be able to recreate what Amado did and more (I think if Vegapunk entered the Naruto verse he'd be greater than Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Amado science combined).

While in the other way I don't see Amado being able to recreate even half of what Vegapunk has made as like almost all the stuff Amado makes uses chakra/jutsu/ninja tech to function. Amado has made leagues less actual tech when compared to Vegapunk like Amado has made ninja tech/cyborgs, clones, and some medicine to combat Otsutsuki's (Vegapunk has like already done all that and much more).

3) "Who has better research, greater inventions, smarter and overall better as a scientist?" Your Response; this is very subjective really. Maybe with "smarter" Vegapunk edges out because of his devil fruit and the way Punk Records work.

Well research wise Vegapunk wins no question as between Pythagorus, and Edison, among his other offshoots along with Punk Records and his idea of a Hive Mind with Punk Records I don't see why Vegapunk automatically gets the point there.

As for greater inventions vegapunk has made dragons, Clones, cyborgs, Holograms, Light interactive gloves, jetpacks, Warp tech, lightsabers, auto food dispensers, devil fruits, lineage factor splicing and much much MUCH more than this and counting (Egghead Island is ongoing and I still haven't talked about the island wide Aircon, etc).

Smarter Vegapunk should also get as not only does he have leagues more scientific achievements but also like I said between Pythagorus and Edison he has incredible reasoning and thinking abilities. Although smarter doesn't mean more knowledgeable I still do find that Vegapunks ability to store an infinite amount of knowledge would surely trump Amado's normal Mind.

Then as for determining who is the overall better scientist since Vegapunk has better research, better an dgreater inventions, and is smarter Vegapunk should then therefore be the better scientist... hey and even when comparing dreams and motivation while Amado's want to save his daughter is good and all, Vegapunk’s dream for energy for all is a better and more direct science related dream than Amado's.

In conclusion I don't see why Vegapunk wouldn't win and like I said many times before just because Amado may have made stronger cyborgs in no way does that mean he is better than Vegapunk.

Anyways that'll be all for now do tell if I missed something.

@jieldre said: