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#1 Edited by ZoomSpeedBlitz (48 posts) - - Show Bio

Both fighters are bloodlusted

No morals

No prep for either character

Fight takes place on an indesctrubile planet

Fighters start 500 meters from each other

Win by death

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#2 Posted by JOVIOLMA (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

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#4 Posted by JOVIOLMA (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

I agree with this guy :)

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#5 Posted by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

Vados solos. Even by Telekinesis alone.

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#6 Edited by JOVIOLMA (5599 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Edited by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
@thedeathstar said:

Vados solos. Even by Telekinesis alone.

No.

Feats for Seiya resisting Telekinesis which can move Massively Huge Planet Sized Orbs at MFTL+ speeds? Let alone tanking a hit from Vados or even resisting temporal do-over (time reversal).

Even by Sheer Strength, Destructiveness, and Combat Speed, being comparable to or above Whis, she is far above.

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#8 Posted by COOLGUY18 (973 posts) - - Show Bio

Seiya Rips Vados's Head Off.

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#9 Edited by ArcReactor (99 posts) - - Show Bio

Vados bodies Seiya into shitpile. God Saints are noway near Angels. They hardly have feats to contend GoD tiers who had shown better strength feats, DC and even haxes such as Existence Erasure, sealing, Hakai shield, Paralysis Inducement etc. Seiya won't even get past her Telekinesis like a user already mentioned. Seiya doesn't even have feats for countering time haxes such that these Angels have.

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#10 Edited by PhantomRant (1318 posts) - - Show Bio

Seiya has a 10^15 x FTL speed feat with just his bronze cloth and with 7th Sense he can jump a few orders of magnitude based on powerscaling off of Capricorn Shura. With God Cloth, he's hilariously more powerful than Aries Shion/Mu's Stardust Revolution which is Big-Bang level, Aries Mu's Starlight Extinction which erased an alternate universe, sealed Titans who can create universes, and the Virgo Saints who can exert universal-busting energies per second.

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#11 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
@death2heretics said:
@joviolma said:

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

I agree with this guy :)

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#12 Posted by Batuxx28 (264 posts) - - Show Bio

Seiya has a 10^15 x FTL speed feat with just his bronze cloth and with 7th Sense he can jump a few orders of magnitude based on powerscaling off of Capricorn Shura. With God Cloth, he's hilariously more powerful than Aries Shion/Mu's Stardust Revolution which is Big-Bang level, Aries Mu's Starlight Extinction which erased an alternate universe, sealed Titans who can create universes, and the Virgo Saints who can exert universal-busting energies per second.

but kurumada says LS, Vados>>>>>Seiya.

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#13 Edited by JOVIOLMA (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar said:

Feats for Seiya resisting Telekinesis which can move Massively Huge Planet Sized Orbs at MFTL+ speeds?

Feats for Vados:

  • Reacting against someone that is massively above saints that can surpass the speed of light in sept of times.
  • Resisting having her Atoms destroy by Universal + Attacks that ignore conventional durability.
  • Managing to keep up with someone at Seiya's level

Heck, this same Seiya resisted Hades's TK attacks without much damage, Hades in his weakest form was moving the Planets and Moons of the Solar System from another Realm in his weakest form.

BTW, I don't remember being mentioned that she moves planets via TK, so far as far I'm concerned she only do this with her Staff, and I'm curious how this is applicable in combat/Attack Potency

What is she gonna do ? Lift him to death ? Since both are bloodlusted this is a huge mismatch in Seiya's favor considering that by scale and quantifiable feats he would blitz her and one shot with extremely ease.

Let alone tanking a hit from Vados or even resisting temporal do-over (time reversal).

She don't have this, so far, Whis is the only that showed this ability, actually he was impressed that Hit could control time and though that him(Whis) was the only one could control time, even though that Vados is his sister.

About hits..... Well he tanked worst, Gold Cloths were destroyed by Thanatos's attacks, the same clothes that tanked Big Bang Level attacks without scratch, and he stopped this with his hands without effort.

Even by Sheer Strength

Seiya surpass.

Destructiveness

Seiya surpass as well, we can scale him with Shaka, Shiijima and Thanatos :)

, and Combat Speed

What combat speed ? Saints like Aiolia can throw Billions of punches in a sec is so far a better combat speed than anyone in DBS, being surpassed only by travel speed :P

being comparable to or above Whis, she is far above.

I didn't deny this.

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#14 Posted by PhantomRant (1318 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28 said:

but kurumada says LS, Vados>>>>>Seiya.

no.

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#15 Posted by JOVIOLMA (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
@death2heretics said:
@joviolma said:

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

I agree with this guy :)

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This guy that agree with that first comment is right as well :)

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#16 Edited by Batuxx28 (264 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28 said:

but kurumada says LS, Vados>>>>>Seiya.

no.

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yes,

People must stop using the feat of traversing a distorted space and time as a valid feat.

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#17 Posted by PhantomRant (1318 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Edited by JOVIOLMA (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

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yes,

People must stop using the feat of traversing a distorted space and time as a valid feat.

Golden Saints are stated to surpass Light by a Good margin multiple times in the series by statements and feats :/

https://imgur.com/a/g2kY9

https://imgur.com/a/l6uRa

https://imgur.com/a/P1T6x

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During cosmic inflation, the universe expanded at an exponential rate; going from a billionth of the size of a proton to the size of a marble:

Size of a marble = 0.01 meter

Expansion time of the universe 10-35 seconds

0.01 / 10-35 = 10^33 meters per second (or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 meters per second)

10^33 meters / 300,000,000 meters = 3.3333333e+24 (or 3,333,333,299,999,999,488,864,416)

End result: The initial expansion of the universe is 3.3333333e+24c (septillions of times ftl).

Should be noted, that was never stated that the Speed of Light is the maximum that a GS can reach.

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Las personas no pueden adquirir en la dimensión de la velocidade la llamada velocidad de la luz, pero con una explosión de cosmos eso es posible para el poder de los Santos dorados, secretamente podrían destruir el universo."
People cannot reach the dimension of speed known as the Speed of Light, however, with an explosion of Cosmos this is possible for the power of the Gold Saints, who secretly could destroy the universe."

Leo Aiolia was stated to be able to launch Billions of those attacks and a Seiya with a broken leg mastering the 7th Sense was dodging this.

https://imgur.com/a/0hPBr

https://m.imgur.com/a/5JRwc

Also, if you wanna apply that logic, Dyspo was stated by Toei's spoiler to be only Light-Speed(which was enough to deal with Frieza and Gohan, and let's not forget that he was fast enough to disappear from the God-Pad) and IIRC, Vados stated that she could barely saw him moving... d4mn, if she can't barely see a Light speed character, how she will keep up with a dude that was dodging Light speed attacks with a broken leg :/ ?

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A Stormy, Fierce Attack! Gohan Fights with his Back to the Wall!!

疾風怒涛の猛襲!悟飯背水の陣!!

Shippūdotōnomōshū!Gohanhaisuinojin!!

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Gohan's in big trouble! What's his comeback strategy?!

Gohan helps out Freeza in his fierce battle against Universe 11's Dyspo. The two are at the mercy of Dyspo's light-speed movement?!

Also, It was never mentioned anywhere in any official source that the Super Dimensional Space is a wormhole or some kind of shortcut, like you are saying, should be noted that Thanatos refers to the distance as light-years and we get a visual representation of the distance one needs to cross in order to reach Elysium (beyond ten billion lights/galaxies), which comes directly from the narration:

https://imgur.com/a/gFv1l

Thanatos also stated that he would scatter Ikki's pieces across the Galaxy, Which is enough to say that the Lights are in fact Galaxies, which is logically considering his statements about being able to kill across the light-years(referring to the Super-Dimensional Space)

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Lets not forget about Shura and Saga reacting against Aiolos's Lightning Flame that was fired from another Space-Time and reached the Undeworld in some minutes or seconds.

https://imgur.com/a/kuXu0

https://imgur.com/a/THX1j

Also, God Cloth Seiya reacted against Thanatos's Terrible Providence, Thanatos's attacks could cross the Elysium(A Endless/Infinite Realm) the Light Years of the SDS, Hell and the Normal Universe in a short amount of time, and was only reacted by Kiki's that could feel the attack coming from somewhere and Seiya at point blank.

http://i.imgur.com/IWx0g1q

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#19 Posted by Batuxx28 (264 posts) - - Show Bio

using episode g, written by another author to affirm that -___-, this contradicts the original story, if you use that then you should also use Soul of Golds where Aioria says on more than one occasion that their speed is Light, SoG is as valid as episode G.
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@batuxx28 said:
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yes,

People must stop using the feat of traversing a distorted space and time as a valid feat.

Golden Saints are stated to surpass Light by a Good margin multiple times in the series by statements and feats :/

https://imgur.com/a/g2kY9

https://imgur.com/a/l6uRa

https://imgur.com/a/P1T6x

During cosmic inflation, the universe expanded at an exponential rate; going from a billionth of the size of a proton to the size of a marble:

Size of a marble = 0.01 meter

Expansion time of the universe 10-35 seconds

0.01 / 10-35 = 10^33 meters per second (or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 meters per second)

10^33 meters / 300,000,000 meters = 3.3333333e+24 (or 3,333,333,299,999,999,488,864,416)

End result: The initial expansion of the universe is 3.3333333e+24c (septillions of times ftl).

Should be noted, that was never stated that the Speed of Light is the maximum that a GS can reach.

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Las personas no pueden adquirir en la dimensión de la velocidade la llamada velocidad de la luz, pero con una explosión de cosmos eso es posible para el poder de los Santos dorados, secretamente podrían destruir el universo."
People cannot reach the dimension of speed known as the Speed of Light, however, with an explosion of Cosmos this is possible for the power of the Gold Saints, who secretly could destroy the universe."

Leo Aiolia was stated to be able to launch Billions of those attacks and a Seiya with a broken leg mastering the 7th Sense was dodging this.

https://imgur.com/a/0hPBr

https://m.imgur.com/a/5JRwc

Also, if you wanna apply that logic, Dyspo was stated by Toei's spoiler to be only Light-Speed(which was enough to deal with Frieza and Gohan, and let's not forget that he was fast enough to disappear from the God-Pad)

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A Stormy, Fierce Attack! Gohan Fights with his Back to the Wall!!

疾風怒涛の猛襲!悟飯背水の陣!!

Shippūdotōnomōshū!Gohanhaisuinojin!!

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Gohan's in big trouble! What's his comeback strategy?!

Gohan helps out Freeza in his fierce battle against Universe 11's Dyspo. The two are at the mercy of Dyspo's light-speed movement?!

Also, It was never mentioned anywhere in any official source that the Super Dimensional Space is a wormhole or some kind of shortcut, like you are saying, should be noted that Thanatos refers to the distance as light-years and we get a visual representation of the distance one needs to cross in order to reach Elysium (beyond ten billion lights/galaxies), which comes directly from the narration:

https://imgur.com/a/gFv1l

Thanatos also stated that he would scatter Ikki's pieces across the Galaxy, Which is enough to say that the Lights are in fact Galaxies, which is logically considering his statements about being able to kill across the light-years(referring to the Super-Dimensional Space)

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Lets not forget about Shura and Saga reacting against Aiolos's Lightning Flame that was fired from another Space-Time and reached the Undeworld in some minutes or seconds.

https://imgur.com/a/kuXu0

https://imgur.com/a/THX1j

Also, God Cloth Seiya reacted against Thanatos's Terrible Providence, Thanatos's attacks could cross the Elysium(A Endless/Infinite Realm) the Light Years of the SDS, Hell and the Normal Universe in a short amount of time, and was only reacted by Kiki's that could feel the attack coming from somewhere and Seiya at point blank.

http://i.imgur.com/IWx0g1q

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#20 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

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#21 Edited by JOVIOLMA (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28: Unlike SoG, Episode G is canon, so I'm not seeing your point mate :/ I also fail to see how Episode G is needed, Seiya reacting against Thanatos's attacks still a better speed feat than anything in DB.

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原案は車田正美、作画は岡田芽武。- Original Draft by Masami Kurumada, drawings by Megumu Okada.

世界を席巻する伝説の超ヒット作「聖闘士星矢」の正統外伝!- The legendary super hit series "Saint Seiya" dominates the world with a new legitimate gaiden! You posted this quote right here but it pretty much means Episode G is a spin-off/spiritual successor to the original saint seiya universe.

http://www.saintseiyapedia.com/wiki/Interviews/Champion_RED_200301/Masami_Kurumada

Q: Saint Seiya Episode G arrived as a true surprise. Why are you starting Episode G now?

Kurumada: My answer shall be the same as the one George Lucas has given in regards to the production of his Stars Wars Episode I. A conductive environment to the materialization of what I already imagined has simply arrived. With the context of a film, this refers to digital imaginary and new technologies, for a manga it means the new circumstances of the environment.

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#22 Edited by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurumada allowed Okada free reign for Episode G's run because he was busy supervising other works. It's still his project and he created the original draft for the story. Hell, he's gone on record directly comparing it to the Star Wars sequels/prequels and even said it's supposed to take place prior to the events in the main story.

Simply being written by another author doesn't change its canonicity. If that were the case, a solid majority of DBS would be non canon.

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#23 Posted by ValorKnight (12222 posts) - - Show Bio

Vados, no contest.

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#24 Posted by Batuxx28 (264 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

@batuxx28: Unlike SoG, Episode G is canon, so I'm not seeing your point mate :/ I also fail to see how Episode G is needed, Seiya reacting against Thanatos's attacks still a better speed feat than anything in DB.

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原案は車田正美、作画は岡田芽武。- Original Draft by Masami Kurumada, drawings by Megumu Okada.

世界を席巻する伝説の超ヒット作「聖闘士星矢」の正統外伝!- The legendary super hit series "Saint Seiya" dominates the world with a new legitimate gaiden! You posted this quote right here but it pretty much means Episode G is a spin-off/spiritual successor to the original saint seiya universe.

There, he doesnt say that the manga is canon, he only accepts that someone takes charge of that manga, Kurumada also accepted that SOG was made. Episode G == SOG Going back to the versus, according to the DBS manga Wiss traveled from universe 7 to 11 in a short time, Vados is in the same league as him.
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#25 Edited by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

People really think they are taken serious with unquantifiable feats which aren't even combat applicable and coming up with random numbers. Vados still stomps.

It's already shown they are baseline light speed in combat.Vados is the one blitzing.

Not to mention the definite strike which Seiya has next to no feat suggesting his blunt durability. He is physically too weak to even Battle Beerus H2H.

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#26 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

That feel when LS/FTL was considered impressive to DB characters during thre final arc of the series. Does anyone have a combat/reaction feat for Vados to suggest she wouldn't get blitzed by mere Gold Knights?

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#28 Posted by Emanresu_20 (2729 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar:

We have gold saints withstanding the power of the Big Bang

Seiya reacting to an attack that can cross galaxies in seconds

Destroying atoms

Resisting Hades TK which moved the planets in the Solar system (much more impressive than Whis feat)

Really dude what does DBS have other than Zen’Oh?

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#29 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

Furthermore, Vados' travel feats, which have no relevance to combat, are done via her staff. It's a stretch to even assume her own flight speed is comparable to that. DB characters are just inferior to Seiya top tiers no matter which way you want to spin it.

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#30 Edited by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

@emanresu_20: We have Beerus tanking a Universal blast and straight up Nullyfying it and Reacting to it which went throughout the Univese and Dimensions beyond it which far surpasses Seiya's then we have Champa and Beerus fighting throughout a Solar System destroying Planets through physical strike and actually Combating at MFTL speed which already puts Seiya at lose for hope against someone so far away from Destroyer GoDs.

Reaction and Combat are completely different things.

About TK it's not even remotely close to Vados's feats (Not Whis)it only shows Hades range not the physical force behind his TK because moving Super Planet sized orbs throughout other Universe and beyond at MFTL is far more impressive due to F=M*A and even stopping it in vacuum when she reached the neutral space.

Furthermore, the lowball attempt saying it is done via staff is just ridiculous since never once it was mentioned and actually shown that it is only for locating celestial bodies, information etc. Whis even mentions when he travels so fast to Earth that it was "his" top speed.

.Both Vados and Whis are far above Beerus and Champa and even blitzstomped them that it's not even funny since Seiya doesn't hold a single combat feat even at Beerus's level.

Seiya characters are inferior in raw Destructive power, strength feats and even TK when compared to Angels from DBS. Not to mention they have no counter to Vados's hax

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#31 Edited by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar:

Furthermore, the lowball attempt saying it is done via staff is just ridiculous since never once it was mentioned and actually shown that it is only for locating celestial bodies, information etc. Whis even mentions when he travels so fast to Earth that it was "his" top speed.

This is pretty ironic considering your own lackluster attempts at lowballing the Saint Seiya characters' feats. For your point, we're actually shown the staff being used to carry them across the vacuum of space when they travel. The very reason Whis tends to tap it on the ground before taking off. What feats do you have to support this rather misguided notion that Vados can blitz or even last a second against characters with better speed, attack power and durability feats than anyone in Dragon Ball? Not to mention attacks that flat out ignore conventional durability.

.Both Vados and Whis are far above Beerus and Champa and even blitzstomped them that it's not even funny since Seiya doesn't hold a single combat feat even at Beerus's level.

Really? Please show me the feats proving Beerus can dance around 1,000,000,000 attacks per second with a broken leg and injured, then blitz the same character dishing them out. If you want to scale Vados and Whis to Beerus and Champa, we can easily scale Seiya to Shura, whose attack speed exceeded the initial expansion of the universe - faster than anything shown in Dragon Ball to date.

Seiya characters are inferior in raw Destructive power, strength feats and even TK when compared to Angels from DBS. Not to mention they have no counter to Vados's hax

Two Gold Knights, the same tier of fighters Seiya was matching back when he first awakened the 7th Sense as a Bronze Knight, succeeded in accomplishing what Beerus and Goku failed after multiple attempts - just on a much grander scale:

https://imgur.com/a/zuE051t

Even weaker Gold Knights like Ares Mu have one-shotted all existing matter + the space-time of Titan Iapetos' alternate universe:

https://imgur.com/a/o9JV3

This is backed up by Hades Specters saying Shion's Stardust Revolutions felt powerful enough to destroy the entire universe and reshape it:

https://imgur.com/a/rbY9I

Original Japanese text and Spanish translation confirming the Titans have their own universe:

https://imgur.com/a/fI0lLOw

Gemini Saga has a spammable technique which is basically the equivalent of Hakai - in the sense that it destroys both the physical and spiritual body of its target - and operates on a scale of power equivalent to Beerus and Goku's feat of shaking the universe, i.e., multi-galactic:

https://imgur.com/a/cpXv3Ic

https://imgur.com/a/mNG6P

It also hits its target with enough force to send any possible remains to a far-away universe:

https://imgur.com/a/QuLSfLR

Sagittarius Seiya from the Poseidon arc has a universal+ feat of one-shotting Poseidon's Mainstay which was going to survive the end of the universe:

https://imgur.com/a/nEHsl

https://imgur.com/a/wYkPv

As for durability, Seiya survived Thanatos' Terrible Providence, which one-shotted numerous Gold Cloths that can each withstand universal output:

https://imgur.com/a/Jf9AD

And later no-sold the attack in his God Cloth before obliterating Thanatos' Surplice, also more durable than a mere Gold Cloth:

https://imgur.com/a/oV5Wf

Sagittarius Seiya in the Poseidon arc is vastly inferior God Cloth Seiya in the Hades arc. Not only did he get a few upgrades in that time, but he awakened the 8th Sense which allows him full control over his own soul and the ability to resurrect himself after death, as well as the ability to attack both the atoms directly and the soul. Raw destructive power, durability, speed and physical strength is not in Vados' favor here, whether you want to use direct, on-panel showings or scale them to inferior characters. Hades' feat of casually rearranging the entire solar system with a thought from a different dimension and perpetually maintaining its perfect alignment over moving 6 Dragon Balls that are roughly 3 times the size of Earth.

Some actual showings for Vados or characters she can scale to that would put her above the Gold Knights would be much appreciated.

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#32 Edited by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

It's 3 times Diameter compared to Earth that means it's volume is roughly 3^3 = 27 times the Volume compared to Earth. Know what you are talking about.

Debating with lowballers is even lower.

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#33 Edited by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar said:

It's 3 times Diameter compared to Earth that means it's volume is roughly 3^3 = 27 times the Volume compared to Earth. Know what you are talking about.

Debating with lowballers is even lower.

No one said anything to the contrary, so that's irrelevant.

I'll take your lack of feats as proof that, as usual, you're too afraid to engage in a debate with anyone who's familiar with both series. Not surprising from the guy who needs alts to hype up his favorite characters.

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#34 Edited by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin: Afraid of what exactly other from a guy who fails to comprehend simple mathematics? And when he fails and debates for the same it is suddenly irrelevant lol logic?

Vados still has a greater TK feat however you toss it.

Moving 6 Super Planet Sized Orbs at MFTL+ speeds>>>Arranging any celestial body.

You dont even have proofs of claims. Such a debate.

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#35 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin: Afraid of what exactly other from a guy who fails to comprehend simple mathematics?

Certainly not from the guy who fails to write comprehensible English on a second grade level anyway.

Bringing up their volume, as though you're attempting to correct something that was never mentioned is both irrelevant and desperate. Jupiter alone has a much greater volume.

Your point about understanding mathematics is even funnier, when not too long ago, you tried to argue punching through King Kai's planet was a dwarf star level feat...

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#36 Edited by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin: It's funny you try to argue for a language. Tells your intelligence.

You clearly accepted at this point you don't know what you're talking about.

"Seiya is X*10^23 speed of light" talk about wank because that's your whole argument. King Kai's feat is more believable at this point.

What's funnier is that you also lack basic knowledge of Force which is Mass*Acceleration. You understand how much force just a single atom would produce even if you accelerate it at the speed of light? Let alone Accelerating 6 Super Planet sized orbs at MFTL+ speeds. Jupiter, even if you move it at Hypersonic speeds is nothing in comparison to the force comparable.

I remember doing Goku's Black Hole's feat calculation and it was taken pretty serious.

You haven't contributed anything aside from your headcanon.

Don't expect me to waste my time stating the obvious. You can twist things up but it won't help you. You lack simple 3rd Dimensional concepts and can't even comprehend how Diameter and Volume works.

Your argument pretty much got debunked. I will take a screen at your math (which you copy paste from a random guy on wiki) and try to show you in case you edit it.

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#37 Edited by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar:

It's funny you try to argue for a language. Tells your intelligence.

I don't think you know what an argument is, yet you're talking about intelligence?

You clearly accepted at this point you don't know what you're talking about.

At what point? Where you failed to post actual feats on the level of even Gold Knights? This has been a repeated occurrence in threads pertaining to Dragon Ball vs any other series you lack knowledge on, btw.

"Seiya is X*10^23 speed of light" talk about wank.

Now it appears you don't even know the correct number for septillion or the theory of how fast the initial expansion of the universe was, which is precisely 3.335641e+24 m/s. If you think that's wank, you should take a look at this thread where the topic creator tries to argue Goku in base can handle trillions of tons:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/dragon-ball-universe/4015-56629/forums/son-gokus-black-hole-feats-calculation-1913791/

What's funnier is that you also lack basic knowledge of Force which is Mass*Acceleration. You understand how much force just a single atom would produce even if you accelerate it at the speed of light? Let alone Accelerating 6 Super Planet sized orbs at MFTL+ speeds. Jupiter, even if you move it at Hypersonic speeds is nothing in comparison to the force comparable.

This is completely asinine. How exactly do you think one can align each celestial body in the solar system within minutes by moving them at anything less that MFTL+ speeds? Especially the orbit of the outer planets.

I remember doing Goku's Black Hole's feat calculation and it was taken pretty serious.

And you're saying Shura's feat of surpassing the initial expansion of the universe isn't taken seriously on debating forums? I know you know better, since you used to argue on forums like VS. Battle Wiki in threads where the concensus was that any relevant high tier in Saint Seiya would utterly blitz DBS thanks to that very feat...

The point is, don't act like a hypoctite when you use wonky black hole calcs to wank your favorite characters. I've already said the initial expansion feat isn't even needed to prove Seiya is faster, although there's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be used if you're going to scale Vados to Beerus and Champa.

You haven't contributed anything aside from your headcanon.

Pretending the myriad of imgur links I posted in my reply to you above doesn't exist won't make them magically disappear. You've yet to anything remotely comparable to 99% of them.

Don't expect me to waste my time stating the obvious. You can twist things up but it won't help you. You lack simple 3rd Dimensional concepts and can't even comprehend how Diameter and Volume works.

We'll chalk it up to more of your ignorance being displayed publicly for everyone to see then. If you're so confident Vados wins, you should have the means to prove it.

Your argument pretty much got debunked.

Debunked by what? You haven't responded to any of my arguments pertaining to Seiya's attributes...

I will take a screen at your math(which you copy paste from a random guy on wiki) and try to show you in case you edit it.

Too bad I didn't copy paste that calculation. I did it myself by using the numbers provided by the very man who came up with the super-fast initial expansion theory. You know, the same one that is part of our current Big Bang model. Meanwhile, you actually have copy pasted random Quora calculations, which I have no issue proving via screenshots:

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The thread you took that post from without even crediting the individual:

https://www.quora.com/How-was-the-Big-Bangs-expansion-faster-than-the-speed-of-light?page_size=20#!n=18

You also copied Pope's calculation for Golu punching through King Kai's planet, but fortunately for you, I don't recall the exact thread you posted it in atm.

That's your whole a argument.

That wasn't even a strong point of my argument. Seiya has better direct combat feats than Vados or anyone she can scale to without having to scale him to Shura's Big Bang feat. I'd love for you to try and prove otherwise.

King Kai's feat is more believable at this point.

The calculation you provided for King Kai's planet is ill-founded and isn't actually based on real world physics. The calculation for the initial expansion of the universe is, and there's a reason it's the most widely regarded explanation for the universe's homogeneous and isotropic nature. Faux physics are apparently more believable than actual physics now. You're certainly a credit to the scientific community, buddy.

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#38 Edited by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

Haha ^

Guy doesn't know you can take out a ten digit number in case of X such as 33.3 and still make it 10^23+1 i.e 10^24.

Again, came up with his ridiculous calculation which no one takes serious and isn't quantifiable at this point.

Him talking about science and numbers makes me vomit.

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#39 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar:

Guy doesn't know you can take out a ten digit number in case of X such as 33.3 and still make it 10^23+1 i.e 10^24.

10^23 equals a 1 followed by 23 zeroes or 1e+23. Now you don't even know basic short scale usage or the speed of the initial expansion of the universe.

Again, came up with his ridiculous calculation which no one takes serious and isn't quantifiable at this point.

Seems to be taken pretty seriously by world renowned physicists:

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Maybe not to the guy who thinks punching through a planet with a radius of 25-30m at best equals a dwarf star level feat simply because its surface gravity is 10x that of Earth's. Lol

Him talking about science and numbers makes me vomit

Clearly a tad dizzy after reading too many big numbers you can't wrap your mind around.

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#40 Posted by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

3x Diameter equals 3x Volume. I learned this on comicvine today.

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#41 Edited by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

Zeno is the only one who can beat Seiya rn

However, I still feel like the angels (or even Beerus) haven't shown their full potential, so based on hype Vados wins

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#42 Posted by CaoCao (1311 posts) - - Show Bio

Seiya curbstomps.

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#43 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (10507 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

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#44 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

3x Diameter equals 3x Volume. I learned this on comicvine today.

Genuinely curious, but how did you even manage to interpret this:

"Hades' feat of casually rearranging the entire solar system with a thought from a different dimension and perpetually maintaining its perfect alignment over moving 6 Dragon Balls that are roughly 3 times the size of Earth."

As "3x diameter equals 3× volume"?

Not that it would matter much, since Jupiter still has much bigger volume, let alone every celestial body in the solar system. Your point about the speed they were moving at is still irrelevant. Altering the natural orbit and perfectly aligning everything in the solar system within minutes would require them to move much faster than light.

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#45 Posted by Juggerman40 (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@death2heretics said:
@joviolma said:

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

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#46 Edited by TheDeathstar (4067 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin: Speed is irrelevant? Lol what? Did you just throw F=M*A out of proportion? Vados has better feats face it. So altering just default orbit within a Solar System is considered FTL?? LMAO. Do you understand how fast Pulling those orbs outside of the Universe itself is and the force required to move it would be? It would? It's in light years not even comparable while Hades's TK is at best relativistic with a good range only which the acceleration is not even shown or stated. Doesn't come close to the force at which Vados was operating. At those speeds pulling multiple solar systems at even relativistic speeds is child's play and she was going Billion times the speed of light.

Seiya has never countered anything close to this.

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#47 Edited by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar:

Speed is irrelevant? Lol what? Did you just throw F=M*A out of proportion?

How about you read the sentence carefully next time and try to comprehend what's actually being said.

Vados has better feats face it.

Her feat is considerably less impressive and unlike Hades who accomplished his casually while sitting on his throne in Judecca taunting Ikki - while not even using his true body at the time - Vados considered it somewhat of a strenuous task.

So altering just default orbit within a Solar System is considered FTL??

Maybe you don't actually comprehend the distance outer planets orbit around the Sun. Perfectly aligning each celestial body within a few minutes is far greater than the speed of light. You'd have to be seriously delusional to think otherwise.

LMAO. Do you understand how fast Pulling those orbs outside of the Universe itself is and the force required to move it would be? It would? It's in light years not even comparable while Hades's TK is at best relativistic with a good range only which the acceleration is not even shown or stated. Doesn't come close to the force at which Vados was operating. At those speeds pulling multiple solar systems at even relativistic speeds is child's play and she was going Billion times the speed of light.

Do you not understand E=MC^2? The amount of energy required to move any object with mass traveling at the speed of light alone would already be infinite. You want to reach into the nitpicking territory and say the acceleration of the objects that Hades moved was never shown or stated? The exact same applies to Vados, if you weren't already aware. Using basic logic, however, you can draw an inference and conclude that moving each planet/moon into perfect alignment within a timeframe of a few minutes would required the bodies to move at FTL speeds. Unless you're going to tell me that they were all within an extremely close distance to one another prior to Hades moving them.

Seiya has never countered anything close to this.

He's dealt with far worse, well before obtaining the God Cloth. You wouldn't know, since you haven't read the series and are apparently too scared to prove yourself in a debate.

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#48 Posted by Emanresu_20 (2729 posts) - - Show Bio

We have Beerus tanking a Universal blast and straight up Nullyfying it and Reacting to it which went throughout the Univese and Dimensions beyond it which far surpasses Seiya's then we have Champa and Beerus fighting throughout a Solar System destroying Planets through physical strike and actually Combating at MFTL speed which already puts Seiya at lose for hope against someone so far away from Destroyer GoDs.

That isn’t “tanking”. That’s being able to nullify Energy blast in what is stated to be Universal. We have Gold Saints like Shaka who outright tanked Bog Bang level attacks. Reguarding dimensions are you talking about the Kioshin realm? Lol they are all in the same universe not different dimensions. Fighting across the solar system? That’s cute we have gold Saints in episode G fighting each other from Universes away. We even had Seiya reactt o an attack that could cross lifhtyears in mear seconds. We even have Shia surpassing the original explosion of the Big Bang in terms of combat speed.

Reaction and Combat are completely different things.

But they do share something similar: Big are feats Seiaya has over Vados lol.

About TK it's not even remotely close to Vados's feats (Not Whis)it only shows Hades range not the physical force behind his TK because moving Super Planet sized orbs throughout other Universe and beyond at MFTL is far more impressive due to F=M*A and even stopping it in vacuum when she reached the neutral space.

If you even take into account Jupiter which alone weighs more than what Vados was pulling, and the fact that he was doing it with no effort

“Furthermore, the lowball attempt saying it is done via staff is just ridiculous since never once it was mentioned and actually shown that it is only for locating celestial bodies, information etc. Whis even mentions when he travels so fast to Earth that it was "his" top speed.”

Never said otherwise

.Both Vados and Whis are far above Beerus and Champa and even blitzstomped them that it's not even funny since Seiya doesn't hold a single combat feat even at Beerus's level.

Tell you what. Post each high-end combat feat in Dragonball. I’ll do the same with just Seiya alone.

Seiya characters are inferior in raw Destructive power, strength feats and even TK when compared to Angels from DBS. Not to mention they have no counter to Vados's hax.

We’ll see when you post those feat.

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#49 Posted by Edministrator (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@death2heretics said:
@joviolma said:

God Cloth Seiya would literally blitz and kill everyone in the DBS verse in a H2H, Vados only hope is BFR with her staff and considering that you put that both are bloodlusted the fight start with Seiya blitzing and one shot her.

This. Hell, it’s generous enough to say she’d BFR someone several dozen tiers above her especially when the fodder of the verse are more than enough to beat the DBZ verse like a domestically abused housewife. When it’s a verse this one note even low high tiers and heralds have enough cred and feats to kill them off wit minimal input.

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#50 Edited by JOVIOLMA (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28 said:
There, he doesnt say that the manga is canon.  he only accepts that someone takes charge of that manga, Kurumada also accepted that SOG was made. Episode G == SOG Going back to the versus, according to the DBS manga Wiss traveled from universe 7 to 11 in a short time, Vados is in the same league as him.

He compare it to the Star Wars prequels, which are canon, using an quote from George Lucas, so again, I'm not seeing your point mate, looks like you just want to deny the feat, is not different from me saying that GT is canon cuz Toriyama let them made this, but unlike Toriyama, Kuramada said that Episode G was a conductive environment of the material that was imagined by him(Kurumada), Okada simple draw the manga and Kurumada simple let him create the history :P

Let's not forget that the official website that published Episode G also stated that is a canon work

http://chancro.jp/comics/assassin

世界を席巻する伝説の超ヒット作「聖闘士星矢」の正統外伝 !

The legendary super hit series "Saint Seiya" dominates the world with a new legitimate gaiden!

The term, Legitimate, was use as well to Next Dimension(A canon sequel)

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Next Dimension

エリシオンにおける星矢と冥王ハーデスの激闘より遡ること二百四十数年前…。熱き友情で結ばれた二人の少年の絆を引き裂き、もう一つの聖戦が始まろうとしていた!! 過去と現在が交錯する新たなる銀河神話、「聖闘士星矢」の正統なる続編が始動!!

Over 240 Years before the confront of Seiya and Hades at Elysion, the passionate bonds of friendship of two youths are separated, another Holy War is about to begin!! Past and present intertwine in a new Galaxian Myth, the legitimate sequel of Saint Seiya is about to begin!!.

So again, I'm not seeing your point mate :P, Episode G was Kurumada idea, he is credited as the Original Draft :P

http://seiya30th.com/series.html

原案は車田正美、作画は岡田芽武。- Original Draft by Masami Kurumada, drawings by Megumu Okada.

世界を席巻する伝説の超ヒット作「聖闘士星矢」の正統外伝!- The legendary super hit series "Saint Seiya" dominates the world with a new legitimate gaiden!

I also fail to see how exactly Vados's travel feat via her Staff is applicable to combat though :P, Seiya reacting against Thanatos's attacks that were crossing Realms is a better feat that anything showed in DBS.