@hittheassasin:
Is it, though? Is it really? I'm not one to oppose logic and solid conclusion drawing and we have discussed this multiple times. And yet, not even a single time, I have found this feat to be logically sound and acceptable under the premises you present it with. Is that really a fault on my part, or an inability to explain on yours? Perhaps you should hold up a mirror, because this argument goes both ways.
Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the explanation given to you. This is simply an example of you being overly skeptical, and being overly skeptical is something you yourself have even admitted to on several occasions.
Correct and correct. You're still missing one, though. The third premise that's consistently used to explain why Luffy had to have outraced it after it exploded is that it was omnidirectionally attached to his body. This part is vital, because it disqualifies the conclusion you attempt to draw, namely that Luffy had to have completely outraced it because neither his clothes nor his skin were damaged. This is because, if the explosion is omnidirectional, his clothes and body would have been tagged regardless of his speed, since the explosion resulting from the gas would have completely surrounded him from the get go.
No, that's not true. The third premise is that Smilie is a sticky gelatinous substance that attached itself to Luffy's clothing, so in order for Luffy to outrace the explosion without being hurt he would have to move after it detonates. Smilie being attached to him eliminates the possibility of Luffy escaping the blasts AOE before it detonated due to it's sticky nature and if he moved beforehand the substance would've moved along with him as it's stuck to his clothing. No one said anything about it being omnidirectionally attached to his body and it doesn't have to be in order for it to be a showing of Luffy's reaction/processing speed.
It might, if the conclusion you drew from your premises wasn't a contradictory one.
It's not contradictory. I think you've been arguing with the wrong people.
First of all, I wasn't under the impression we were assuming the opponent was Bounceman Luffy here, given how you were talking about the pirate as a whole and the OP specifies that he starts in base form, and that none of the usual stipulations in regard to "unlimited haki" or "no Bounceman time limit" are present, and you only really mentioned Gear 4th in your last paragraph.
The opponent here is Luffy and Bounce Man is a form Luffy can access at will in a very short timeframe, is it not? Right.
Second of all: Even if I agree with the premise that Bounceman is the one who faces off against the clones and that he can indeed one shot them, I don't see how that impedes my argument. The whole purpose of the clones is to serve as a distraction for Luffy and his future sight, so them forcing Luffy to unleash an entire barrage of punches while the real Meliodas can capitalise would be a complete success on their part. Especially so since there's no shown limit to the amount of times Meliodas can recreate his clones: They're hardly a limited resource, nor one that's expensive to produce and given how their abilities are identical to Meliodas' own just weaker, hellblaze and darkness spam at their level will likely still be an effective method to damage Luffy and keep him at bay.
I don't see how the clones will serve as a distraction for Luffy and his Future Sight when Luffy's shown the capability to casually foresee sequences of attacks from multiple people while also in the middle of combat himself. Clone spaming against Luffy is an inherently bad idea from the get go from my perspective since OH/Future Sight will allow Luffy to see where the clones are originating from. With that knowledge in mind he can choose to simply ignore the clones and blitz straight for the OG Meliodas himself, who due to cloning will be operating at a drastically weaker level than norm. God help Meliodas if he decides to split his power into 6 clones of himself...
Yes, BoS Ban is fodder to current Luffy in regards to physical abilities: Can you say the same in regards to just his internal haki?
Considering internal Haki is literally the exact same as regular Haki but just projected into the opponents insides directly, yes i can.
Because if so, I'm sure you wouldn't mind showing me the feats that place the power of the portion of haki Luffy transfers into his opponents body significantly above Ban's strength. Then again, you did ignore that portion of my last response.
Haki potency isn't predicated on surface area. A "portion of Haki" isn't a thing, as the quality of Haki is the same all throughout. The quality of Haki that's on Luffy's pinkie finger is the same exact as the Haki covering his entire torso and this translates into offense as well.
As for the point in regards to Escanor, I think you may have missed it. This was me merely attempting to establish a baseline for why SDS characters organs are significantly less vulnerable than is normal, I never attempted to insinuate that Escanor's feat translated to immunity against internal haki.
Then what's the point in bringing it up? This all stemmed from the Advanced Haki debate and if you yourself admit it doesn't translate to immunity/resistance to Advanced Haki then you've basically admitted you have no counter for it.
Since you've basically admitted Meliodas doesn't have a legitimate counter to Luffy's Advanced Armaments you really only have a few options here; push for Meliodas's versatility or argue Mel's stats are so much higher than Luffy's that he'll never get tagged once and can one shot at any given time.
I don't conform to either notion since Meliodas's versatility is stunted by Future Sight and his physical showings don't exceed what Luffy performed in Dressrosa. IE: Snapping Doflamingo's strings puts Bounce Man's physical strength at multi-mountain+ at least, whereas i personally place this version of Meliodas at that level at best.
Once again, you're missing the point entirely. I mentioned Doflamingo merely as proof that even characters significantly weaker and slower than Boundman have the potential to outlast his barrage of attacks, to capitalise upon his vulnerability after the transformation had expired, even whilst having sustained prior injuries. Essentially, as proof Boundman isn't an instant GG to characters who can't match him physically(even if I personally don't really think this applies to Meliodas). I even listed specific examples of abilities Meliodas has that would allow him to equal or even outperform Doflamingo in this regard, which you ignored.
I understand your point, i just don't think it falls through since all of Meliodas's options are hard countered by the simplest abilities in Luffy's arsenal. You're also arguing using Dressrosa Arc Bounce Man as a base which is flawed for multiple reasons since Dressrosa Arc Bounce Man doesn't have current Luffy's improved stats, Future Sight and Advanced Armament. Current Luffy would end Doflamingo in a heartbeat.
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