Ungrim Ironfist and Belegar Ironhammer Vs. Throgg and Throt

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I’d bet on the dawi as well, though it probably isn’t a stomp. Throgg is no pushover despite his best feat (killing Sigvald) has lots of context due to Krell fight. Both Ungrim and Belegar are great fighters….and I see Throgg having to carry Throt somewhat. Throt is better at souping up some rat ogres and saying “sick em”

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I’d bet on the dawi as well, though it probably isn’t a stomp. Throgg is no pushover despite his best feat (killing Sigvald) has lots of context due to Krell fight. Both Ungrim and Belegar are great fighters….and I see Throgg having to carry Throt somewhat. Throt is better at souping up some rat ogres and saying “sick em”

What about fighting Gotrek and Felix? Isn't that a better feat than killing an injured and distracted Sigvald?

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@shroudofsorrow: I don’t even remember that happening, you remember which book? Gotrek should steamroll Throgg with no issue.

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Dawi wreck. Ungrim is same level at Gotrek and Belegar is superior to Throt anyway. Throgg cant carry.

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Yeah this is practically a 2v1, and the dynamic dawi duo is most likely going to do short work of Throgg when they manage to 2v1 him. Belegar will most likely get into a tangle with Throt given his affinity to hate things around his size + skaven compared to Ungrim that's got a never-ending deathwish and would rush at a target as big as Throgg instantly. Belegar will probably overpower Throt in a few moments.

I also agree with Deuce - Gotrek ought to sweep Throgg.

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@cergic: Well I guess the Throgg/Gotrek fight is either non-canon or PIS.

@shroudofsorrow: I don’t even remember that happening, you remember which book? Gotrek should steamroll Throgg with no issue.

The above picture suggested that they fought at some point. This is why I'm asking. I don't know.

Dawi wreck. Ungrim is same level at Gotrek and Belegar is superior to Throt anyway. Throgg cant carry.

He is? Huh. He's even better than I thought.

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@cergic: Well I guess the Throgg/Gotrek fight is either non-canon or PIS.

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@shroudofsorrow: I don’t even remember that happening, you remember which book? Gotrek should steamroll Throgg with no issue.

The above picture suggested that they fought at some point. This is why I'm asking. I don't know.

He fought them both during end times in Kislev, and lost (didn't die though). He wasn't alone in the fight.

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@cergic: Ah. So that explains it. That above picture sure is misleading.

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@shroudofsorrow: no, Ungrim is nowhere near Gotrek even without his God-amp. Grombrindle is the only Dawi even close.

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@shroudofsorrow: no, Ungrim is nowhere near Gotrek even without his God-amp. Grombrindle is the only Dawi even close.

I wouldn't say ungrim sint anywhere near close to Gotrek, because aside from Grom and Gotrek, Ungrim is certainly the best dawi fighter alive. If he gets his boost in the end times he could certainly take a 50/50 or more against Gotrek, but thats end times amped Ungrim as well so meh

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@mordhauextreme1: Grombrindle (Snorri) is commonly agreed to be the #2 under Gotrek….Ungrim is down the line a ways.

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I would agree with that ranking (Gotrek>Grombrindal>Ungrim I mean)

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@biblebasher said:

@mordhauextreme1 said:

@six-deuce: ofc, but Ungrim is #3 and isnt that far down

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@six-deuce: @mordhauextreme1: @shroudofsorrow:

There is the trio Grombrindle on a Throne, carried by Joseph Bugman and Gotrek.

That's beastly

Seen it before, its pretty epic lol

On top the top of my mind he was like one thousand point and almost unkillable.

I checked it months ago.

Yeah he was, he was double the points of some of the better fighters in the verse lol

I would agree with that ranking (Gotrek>Grombrindal>Ungrim I mean)

basically, but if we go by hype Grom should stalemate Gotrek/possibly win. From feats though prolly Gotrek although Grom isn't too far behind so its more like

(Gotrek>=Grom>Ungrim)

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@biblebasher: AoS is basically a god at this point and would waste everyone here in the WHF setting. Most of AoS characters would waste most of the WHF versions as well tbh

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@mordhauextreme1: Teclis is impressive, even compared to the 7th ed. when the Crown of Saphery gave him unlimited range.

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There is no purely right answer but I’d go Ka’Banda = Kroak> Maz=Sigmar=Amped Aenerion>other 2nd gen Slann=Nagash= Amped Gotrek>Caledor Dragontamer=Teclis=Krakanrok= Dragon Emperor>Morkar=Malekith=Grimgor=Abhorash=Archaon=Drachenfels > Gilles=Orion=Tyrion=Ariel=Arkhan

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@biblebasher: Yeah, i just wish AoS was a timeline that happened if chaos won and I wish we got more stuff for WHF. Do you play WH total war aswell or no? :P

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@six-deuce:

Do you put Arkhan above Imrik and Alith Anar due to raw magic potency?

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@six-deuce said:

There is no purely right answer but I’d go Ka’Banda = Kroak> Maz=Sigmar=Amped Aenerion>other 2nd gen Slann=Nagash= Amped Gotrek>Caledor Dragontamer=Teclis=Krakanrok= Dragon Emperor>Morkar=Malekith=Grimgor=Abhorash=Archaon=Drachenfels > Gilles=Orion=Tyrion=Ariel=Arkhan

Wait, why is Grimgor below malekith and why is Abhorash below grimgor?

Ka'banda vs Nagash is a draw as we saw in the end times that it was likely Nagash was gonna send Ka'banda back to the warp had their fight kept going

Some of its fine though

For magic I got this

First Gen Slann > Second Gen Slann >= End Times Nagash > Twins [Together] > Teclis/Caledor [At least, where I would place him]/Cripple Peak Nagash > Twins [Separate]/Kairos Fateweaver [Maybe a bit lower, he wasn't very impressive in Fantasy compared to Ka'Bandha who was amazing] > Third Gen Slann/Malekith/Lords of Change/Be'Lakor [Could be lower]/Sigmar Era Nagash >>> Arkhan the Black/Mannfred in Sylvania [he draws power from the land]/Van Hels/High Elf Loremasters-Archmages/Dark Elf Supreme Sorceress/etc > Balthazar Gelt/Normal High-Dark-Wood Elf Mages/Power Chaos Sorcerers >> Normal Human Wizards/Normal Chaos Sorcerers

for Melee ( excluding greater daemons )

1. EoS Gotreks with axes of Grimnir

2. Aenarion with the Sword of Khaine

3. Abhorash >= Tyrion with the Sword of Khaine

4. Tyrion/Grimgor/Crom

5. Difference between 5 and 4 is small: Green Knight [Gilles Le Breton]/Malekith/Archaon/EoS Sigmar [This is skill not raw power, after all]

6: Louen Leoncoeur/Living Sigmar/Valten/Arbaal the Undefeated/Valkia the Bloody/etc

7. Wulfric/Kurt Helborg/etc.

I got this. This is not my list though and is credited to another viner

Overall grand total

idk yet mostly cause of magic and most 1st gen slann and 2nd gen slann would be at the top possibly with Nagash being tied with 2nd gen slann

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@cergic said:

@six-deuce:

Do you put Arkhan above Imrik and Alith Anar due to raw magic potency?

Yes, arkhan already deleted Elth the grim, not sure why he wouldn't delete Anar and technically Imrik solo by himself either

@mordhauextreme1: No ^^ But I started WH40K and WFB very early.

Ah, i suggest trying out WH total war if u get a chance :) Its an amazing game. I suggest waiting till christmas time for the sale though and picking it up that way :)

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@mordhauextreme1:

Eltharion almost got murked by a delf witch hag if i recall, poor guy. Lots of greenskin slaying under his belt but some low showings too.

And i agree. TWWH is fantastic. One of my most played. Love the new flc with Thorek, too.

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@cergic said:

@six-deuce:

Do you put Arkhan above Imrik and Alith Anar due to raw magic potency?

Yes, arkhan already deleted Elth the grim, not sure why he wouldn't delete Anar and technically Imrik solo by himself either

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@mordhauextreme1: No ^^ But I started WH40K and WFB very early.

Ah, i suggest trying out WH total war if u get a chance :) Its an amazing game. I suggest waiting till christmas time for the sale though and picking it up that way :)

I will try : )

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@cergic said:

@mordhauextreme1:

Eltharion almost got murked by a delf witch hag if i recall, poor guy. Lots of greenskin slaying under his belt but some low showings too.

And i agree. TWWH is fantastic. One of my most played. Love the new flc with Thorek, too.

I hate dawi, so I cared less i was happy about the brass bull more :D

Yeah hes got some meh showings, but i dont expect everyone to have anti magical gear either, and if u dont then ure kinda screwed at that point :(. TWWH is my most played i got around 9k hours on it :P

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@cergic said:

@six-deuce:

Do you put Arkhan above Imrik and Alith Anar due to raw magic potency?

Yes, arkhan already deleted Elth the grim, not sure why he wouldn't delete Anar and technically Imrik solo by himself either

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@mordhauextreme1: No ^^ But I started WH40K and WFB very early.

Ah, i suggest trying out WH total war if u get a chance :) Its an amazing game. I suggest waiting till christmas time for the sale though and picking it up that way :)

I will try : )

Do so u wont regret it and with WH3 around the corner i doubt u'd get bored, just give it a try and enjoy its a strat game with tons of mods to ;P

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#32  Edited By Six-Deuce

@mordhauextreme1: I didn’t put Grimgor below Malekith, I put them as roughly equal….I know Grimgor fought Malekith but that was more a result of Malekith totally underestimating the Orc and basically panicking after he chopped off his dragon’s head. In a neutral setting all things being equal Malekith should be a good match for Grimgor. Other than that I mostly agree with your lists….mine was a rough combo of general potency not split as melee/magic.

Edit Abhorash I put one step under just because of his lack of meaningful feats….I am sure if written he would be put higher…but so would Ushoran in all likelihood

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@mordhauextreme1 said:

@cergic said:

@mordhauextreme1:

Eltharion almost got murked by a delf witch hag if i recall, poor guy. Lots of greenskin slaying under his belt but some low showings too.

And i agree. TWWH is fantastic. One of my most played. Love the new flc with Thorek, too.

I hate dawi, so I cared less i was happy about the brass bull more :D

Yeah hes got some meh showings, but i dont expect everyone to have anti magical gear either, and if u dont then ure kinda screwed at that point :(. TWWH is my most played i got around 9k hours on it :P

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@mordhauextreme1 said:

@cergic said:

@six-deuce:

Do you put Arkhan above Imrik and Alith Anar due to raw magic potency?

Yes, arkhan already deleted Elth the grim, not sure why he wouldn't delete Anar and technically Imrik solo by himself either

@biblebasher said:

@mordhauextreme1: No ^^ But I started WH40K and WFB very early.

Ah, i suggest trying out WH total war if u get a chance :) Its an amazing game. I suggest waiting till christmas time for the sale though and picking it up that way :)

I will try : )

Do so u wont regret it and with WH3 around the corner i doubt u'd get bored, just give it a try and enjoy its a strat game with tons of mods to ;P

That's going in the Book.

Funny you and @six-deuce were discussing tiering. I was meaning to post such a thread myself. Will either of you be interested?

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@mordhauextreme1: I didn’t put Grimgor below Malekith, I put them as roughly equal….I know Grimgor fought Malekith but that was more a result of Malekith totally underestimating the Orc and basically panicking after he chopped off his dragon’s head. In a neutral setting all things being equal Malekith should be a good match for Grimgor. Other than that I mostly agree with your lists….mine was a rough combo of general potency not split as melee/magic.

Edit Abhorash I put one step under just because of his lack of meaningful feats….I am sure if written he would be put higher…but so would Ushoran in all likelihood

To be fair Grimgor also had to deal with his dragon. Put Malekith and Grimgor on equal footing and Grimgor would prolly win. Its possible though that Malekith's super high end magic would give him the W, yet its unlikely that he'd apply it since he'd again underestimate Grimgor as a typical Orc Warboss

That's fair, i'm only going by what was stated by Josh Reynold's

First, bear in mind, that Abhorash is the greatest warrior the world has ever seen. He's the figurative embodiment of war itself. He's a guy who has done nothing but fight for over a thousand years. No rest, no sleep, no taking a holiday. Just war. He's as close to a two-legged engine of destruction as the Old World gets.

Too, a fight scene depends on context just as much as any other narrative device. There's no such thing as a fight in a vacuum, unless you're writing science-fiction. All of these fights depend on location, whether the combatants have had to fight through armies of mooks, the stakes, etc. F'r instance, if it's a G&F novel the fight happens in, Gotrek wins.

Vlad would know better than to fight him. And if he did, he'd wake up later, after his ring has resurrected him and wonder why he'd done it.

Abhorash would beat Grimgor handily, once he figured out how to put him down for keeps. Grimgor, Incarnate of Beasts would be tougher, but Archaon did it, and Abhorash is better than Archaon so...yeah. There is no way, short of Gork himself showing up, that Grimgor wins.

Gotrek would be more of the same...he's not unbeatable, he's just really hard to keep down. Abhorash would win that one, but he'd know he'd been in a fight. The only way I can see the fight going to Gotrek involves him having both of Grimnir's axes and a power-up...then Gotrek wins. Or it's in a G&F book, as I said, then Gotrek wins after a forty-page fight scene.

Tyrion could hold his own. It'd be a stalemate, until one or the other lost their temper and then it's anybody's guess, with an edge to Abhorash, due to the whole vampire thing.

Sigmar...is tricky. Is it Sigmar Ascended, or just Emperor Sigmar? If it's the former, Abhorash loses, eventually. If its the latter, Abhorash...might still lose. We don't know how his duel with Gilles turned out, after all, way back when. If Gilles could have beaten him, then Sigmar might have been able to do so as well. At best, though, I think it's a grueling stalemate.

Ka' Bhanda and Skulltaker pose similar quandaries...Abhorash is the figurative embodiment of war, but they're literally shards of the god of war and slaughter. In a clench, I'd say Abhorash trucks Skulltaker. He'd also splat a regular bloodthirster, if it came to that. But Ka'Bhanda is something else. It took ALL of the Incarnates to wear him down. That one would be a squeaker I think. It could go either way, with an edge to Ka'Bhanda.

Magic users, well, if they ganged up on him, yeah. One on one, Nagash wins. He knows how to unmake vampires, though I'm betting Abhorash would leave a few scars. Teclis and Malekith, much like Tyrion depends on who keeps their head. Abhorash isn't as cunning as Malekith or as smart as Teclis, but then, he doesn't need to be. If he gets close, they lose. If they can keep him guessing, and at a distance, then they win.

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@mordhauextreme1 said:

@cergic said:

@mordhauextreme1:

Eltharion almost got murked by a delf witch hag if i recall, poor guy. Lots of greenskin slaying under his belt but some low showings too.

And i agree. TWWH is fantastic. One of my most played. Love the new flc with Thorek, too.

I hate dawi, so I cared less i was happy about the brass bull more :D

Yeah hes got some meh showings, but i dont expect everyone to have anti magical gear either, and if u dont then ure kinda screwed at that point :(. TWWH is my most played i got around 9k hours on it :P

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@mordhauextreme1 said:

@cergic said:

@six-deuce:

Do you put Arkhan above Imrik and Alith Anar due to raw magic potency?

Yes, arkhan already deleted Elth the grim, not sure why he wouldn't delete Anar and technically Imrik solo by himself either

@biblebasher said:

@mordhauextreme1: No ^^ But I started WH40K and WFB very early.

Ah, i suggest trying out WH total war if u get a chance :) Its an amazing game. I suggest waiting till christmas time for the sale though and picking it up that way :)

I will try : )

Do so u wont regret it and with WH3 around the corner i doubt u'd get bored, just give it a try and enjoy its a strat game with tons of mods to ;P

That's going in the Book.

Funny you and @six-deuce were discussing tiering. I was meaning to post such a thread myself. Will either of you be interested?

Sounds fine to me, and good write it twice ;P

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@mordhauextreme1: we’re you the fellow I was suggesting Crusader Kings 2 geheinesnacht mod to? If you enjoy WHF you seriously HAVE to play that game….there is nothing more immersive sandbox than that. I am currently playing a campaign where my lesbian mutant (sprouted a beak) Hung warlord defeated Malekith by making pacts and becoming a champion of tzeench, conquering Grond out from under Morathi while Malekith was putting down a rebellion. I promptly died and my favored heir that I put all my training and effort into developed nurgle’s rot and bloody diarrhea simultaneously then died leaving me with a stunted imbecile with fertility issues. My tribe decided to reject my new PC and I was suddenly under constant threat of assassination by better claimants…I survived through luck and because I was able to seduce my spymaster who had a very high intrigue score (so kept discovering plots). I was able to capture a female slave with the genius trait through raiding one of my neighboring tribes, had a son with the genius trait…was super excited…my stunted imbecile PC finally got assasinated, my genius PC inherited at 3 years old…then Grond decided to rebel and as I was struggling to put down said rebellion, Malekith reinvaded….AND the neighboring Hung tribe decided to invade. My genius never made it to adulthood….was a fun run though!

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@mordhauextreme1: Good to know.

Personally, I like WHF Dwarfs. But then, I like Fantasy Dwarves in general :)

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@six-deuce: Yeah i had asked if it was up to date or not :) as in its it current able to be ran on with the current version for TTWH :P

@mordhauextreme1: Good to know.

Personally, I like WHF Dwarfs. But then, I like Fantasy Dwarves in general :)

That's fair i like Dawi and all, but i could care less for them especially in game.

  • Lizardmen
  • Beastmen
  • Greenskins

Are my top 3

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@mordhauextreme1: it is up to date, but it is not a total war mod, it is a mod for Crusader Kings 2. I love Total Warcand have played since the first Rome, and I am very happy with how they tackled Warhammer. That said it doesn’t scratch the humorous “anything can happen” sandbox itch that CL2 geheimesnacht does.

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@mordhauextreme1: First you say you hate them, then you like them. Seems a little inconsistent XD

My top 3 WHF factions are Lizards, Bretonnians, and High Elves.

Anyway, here's the link: Ranking Warhammer Fantasy's Warriors-Determining Phase (gamespot.com)

Well lore wise, dawi are okay, just in game i dislike them and i dont care if they get new stuff or not cause i don't care for their play style and so on. If i was to fight along dawi or orcs i'd obviously choose dawi haha :P

@mordhauextreme1: it is up to date, but it is not a total war mod, it is a mod for Crusader Kings 2. I love Total Warcand have played since the first Rome, and I am very happy with how they tackled Warhammer. That said it doesn’t scratch the humorous “anything can happen” sandbox itch that CL2 geheimesnacht does.

Oh i misread man, i dont got Crusader Kings 2 haha and that's fair. Idk i dont get bored of games much as i told another i got 9k hours on WArhammer total war as u can create tons of different situations and such

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I'm personally a huge Dwarf fan myself in fantasy setting. I enjoy the concept of massive power and toughness packaged in small units.

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dawi, but Throgg gives them a fun fight (for them)