unbound spectre was beaten by Michael demiurgos easily.....WITHOUT using the demiurgic power. lucifer can just take a leaf out of his brothers book and use physical force and divine power on par with MD, no need for anything else.
Spawn is useless. He cannot walk near these guys in terms of power. Lucifer beats the Spectre. But is definitely not a curbstomp as most would believe.
@mortal: Oh so you did mean God Spawn. Hm can't say now, some people call him a jobber because he's kinda featless. But others say that MoM statement should count and he should be considered on The Presence/True Omnipotent level. I don't know now but you need to change that version of Spawn though.
@Mortal: that divine spawn is powerful, but being backed is not quite the same as lending-giving power.
he was backed because MOM said that he can do whatever he wanted then to a specific place. if DS asked MOM to kill a god outside the events that took place then I doubt MOM would be happy at all. so divine spawn using his backing to kill beings that has no relation to the events is out of question.
@lukehero: so all the fights the spectre lost was because the presence did not want him to win....ridiculous.
1. the spectre has lost many battles (the guy who took his power and froze hell, the guy who ate almost all the universes in DC and beat him into a coma....)
2. the spectre has his own power set, and even when god left he was still powerful as hell
3. the presence limits his power (through hosts) he does not give him power.
4. in day of vengeance, the spectre was rampaging all over the universe killing beings until the presence stopped him. why did he have to stop him when he could have just wanted him to not kill those beings?
@mortal: Oh so you did mean God Spawn. Hm can't say now, some people call him a jobber because he's kinda featless. But others say that MoM statement should count and he should be considered on The Presence/True Omnipotent level. I don't know now but you need to change that version of Spawn though.
He was considered omnipotent at that state so I think he could solo. And I hate when people say Lucifer is above LT. They are basically the same in their own respective universes. LT is only 2nd to TOAA and Lucifer/Michael are only 2nd to Presence.
@Mortal: they are not the same. lucifer does not have a marvel counterpart like Thanos or the spectre. but his power level is roughly the same as LT's while his brothers power can match pre retcon molecule mans, though Michael has more variety.
@mortal: Because he's omnipotent and no one can beat a truly Omnipotent (Excluding Toon Force) being only stalemate them and even then Lucifer isn't truly Omnipotent so he can't even stalemate.
@justsomerandomkid: Do you have a scan to show that he is omnipotent. I only mentioned that people consider him to be omnipotent due to the fact that he's being backed by MoM. That doesn't mean he is truly omnipotent like TOAA foresay.
@Mortal: and being second to the omnipotent in their respective universes makes them roughly as powerful as each other? absolutely not. and in power, lucifer is below Michael D and the source. and possibly synnar if the suggestions in the comic are true.
@jwwprod: they were when the presence left the titan brothers took his place and became omnipotent and lucifer still beat them. Didn't you read his series. It was stated that they were.
@jwwprod: they were when the presence left the titan brothers took his place and became omnipotent and lucifer still beat them. Didn't you read his series. It was stated that they were.
They were not omnipotent if Lucifer beat them. True omnipotents cannot be beaten.
@mortal: aaa but thats the trick he didn't beat them when they were omnipotent he went back b4 they became so to beat them. Lucy is a bigger troller than aizen you know.
@mortal: aaa but thats the trick he didn't beat them when they were omnipotent he went back b4 they became so to beat them. Lucy is a bigger troller than aizen you know.
@mortal: @primebonnick: he did not go back in time, he turned time back on the omnipotents by doing something to Beatrice, whom they touched with magic.
@primebonnick: @van_cere: Even if Lucifer turned time back on them, wouldn't they have done something to kill him because they are omnipotent? Plus, omnipotents cannot be killed in any way.
@mortal: you have to understand that even though they were omnipotent, power like that takes time to sink in. they were not omnipresent which shows that there were not fully omnipotent. he used their power against them, not his own.
unbound spectre was beaten by Michael demiurgos easily.....WITHOUT using the demiurgic power. lucifer can just take a leaf out of his brothers book and use physical force and divine power on par with MD, no need for anything else.
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