Combatants:
Rules:
- Diana gets standard gear
- Tony is armorless, but he has the Extremis Virus in his body and an RT node. He also has a repulsor gauntlet from his Iron Man Model 1 armor.
- Round 1: Morals On
- Round 2: Morals Off
- Who wins?
Unarmored Tony Stark (616) vs Wonder Woman (DCEU)
Just gonna leave this here: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/krleavenger/blog/tony-starks-fighting-skills/129878/.
If this was simply a question of raw skill, I'd back Tony 100%, but considering the fact that Diana has enhanced physical abilities, I'd probably say that she wins more often than not. Especially with gear. Although, given his skill and speed, I'd say that she would struggle. Ultimately, he wouldn't be able to put her down, and she would one-shot him if she had enough of a clean shot. However, with his repulsor gauntlet being added to the mix, this actually becomes borderline unfair because Stark himself has stated that his first armor's repulsor rays are about half the strength of his classic suit's beams which is MORE than enough to one-shot her.
In fact, I'd argue that a full powered MK 1 blast would go through her sword, shield, and chest all at once. DCEU fanatics will argue that he won't even perceive what happened by the time she cuts him into more than one thousand pieces (as if she's never been perceived or tagged by anything slower than massively hypersonic), but with Extremis he seems to be faster than a localized speed of sound sonic attack:
So I think he should be fine before her organs fall out of the gaping hole Tony's repulsors made.
My Respect Threads weren't the best at the time, and the one above (that Noone posted) has some questionable claims, lackluster format and lack of feats, so I apologize for that. Regardless, Tony does have much better showing of fighting skills than DCEU Diana and pretty much any DCEU character up to this point for that matter. He was trained by some of the most skilled fighters in the Marvel Universe and was able to ragdoll multiple Skrull Warriors, who are not only pretty skilled race, but all of them have way better stats than Tony and he pretty much schooled them, and he did not have any enhancements at the time. With enhancements, Tony was able to grab Daredevil by the throat and throw him into the sea, all before he could react or counter attack in Superior Iron Man #2, without his armor. In Avengers & X-Men: AXIS #6, Tony actually attacked Matt while being few feet away from him, grabbed him by the throat again with both of his arms, kicked him in the ribs, lifted him with one arm and threw him away. Not only is it almost impossible to catch someone like Matt off guard due to his senses, but Matt is way more skilled than both Tony and DCEU Diana, and his entire fighting style makes physical advantage (which Tony had) pretty much useless, and Tony dealt with him twice pretty easily (Matt's reaction time speed is just as good as Diana's).
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When it comes to Diana's speed, her raw speed and reaction time speed are no better than some other Marvel and DC street levelers, but she is probably faster due to how effectively she can apply both, by blocking multiple bullets while moving at high speeds (although I don't think she outran bullets, more like moving as fast if not faster than the shooter to prevent him from taking a bead on hostages and then block a bullet). So I don't think she is super sonic as people tend to call her, and like Noone showed above, Tony dodged a sound wave blast from Pepper in her new Rescue Armor in Superior Iron Man #9, and add to the fact that he is more skilled than Diana, plus his showing with Daredevil, really makes me believe that he is more than capable of reacting to Diana, especially because not only does she not blitz that often, but she was tagged before by people who are not that fast, like Steppenwolf or Doomsday for example (the latter being someone DCEU Batman actually dodged when Doomsday attacked him). And I'm not trying to lowball Diana. All I'm saying is that she is not Eobard, or Zolomon or Beerus. Some speedster who abuses his/her speed and can't be touched. For the record, Tony dodged an electricity discharge from point blank range in Iron Man: Fatal Frontier #6 (Infinite Comic).
To make this even more impressive, he did this without any Extremis enhancements. Which is extremely impressive because Extremis increases Tony's speed more than anything, to the point that he blitzed Mallen (first Extremis specimen) and moved faster than his eyes could even track after receiving it, with Mallen being the same character who moved faster than Tony could even operate his armor based on Tony's own statement prior to receiving the Extremis. And yes, he did that in his armor but he was also blitzed in the previous armor which also increases his speed, and while Tony did say that Extremis Armor is faster at base than other armors, when he lost Extremis, he operated the suit worse than nigh power less armors, so that speed amp mostly came from Extremis virus itself (for the record, I'm not saying Tony can blitz Mallen without the suit, nor that all of his feats with armor apply to his armorless Extremis version).
This is even crazier when you consider the fact that he was able to process information in span of picoseconds with Extremis in Iron Man Vol. 4 #31 (which is like 1.000 times more impressive than his previous showing of perception, when he stated he can measure time in nanoseconds due to R.T. Node upgrade back in Iron Man Annual #15), and was able to see explosions in slow motion and make his suit come to him before the heat of those explosions even reached him even tho they were about to hit him from point blank range, yet Tony was still able to notice them, see them, process his thoughts and call forth the armor to protect him all before it even reaches him (so it's a speed feat without the armors, since he was yet to put them on in the first place) in Invincible Iron-man Vol. 1 #2-3 and Invincible Iron-man Vol. 1 #30-31 respectively. And I'm not saying Tony can move in span of nanoseconds and picoseconds.
So given how massive of a speed boost Extremis gives Tony, the feat Tony preformed above is just more ridiculous. Considering other feats I brought up, plus the one Noone mentioned, I'm pretty confident that Tony can deal with Diana's speed without much difficulty.
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Now, there is still Diana's impressive striking power, and Tony, while still having enhanced strength due to Extremis, is still a street leveler, and Diana's strength is obviously above that level. However, to be frank, given Tony's speed and skill, I don't think she will have a chance to hit Tony before he is done with her.
For the sake of not making this sound like nonsense, Tony's gauntlets have the ability to control magnetism. Tony used this to actually disarm his opponents. Actually, this is one of the first things he has done in his entire publication, in his first Armor (Tony uses those gauntlets here), Model 1, to disarm Red Guerillas all the way back in Tales of Suspense #39. So not only it is in character for him to do so, but it is also something this armor is capable of doing. This can allow Tony to either disarm Diana and move her sword and shield away, or use them against her and push her backwards to give him more time to react to her and attack her. He did the same thing to Captain America holding his shield in Avengers/Invaders #2 (expect there he actually pulled him towards him).
Or he can use it to hold Diana in place with magnets themselves, like he did to Classic Hulk and Namor in Avengers Vol. 1 #3. And while he used his Classic Armor in that instance, which shouldn't apply to this version, because it's weaker, it's just there to prove that it is in character for Tony. Even this armor should be able to hold DCEU Diana long enough for it to be a factor. After all, even this armor was able to reflect Mjolnir back to Thor after the angry God threw it at Space Phantom as Iron Man, using magnets. So I'm pretty sure he can either hold Diana in place to push her backwards or just hold her and then attack her while she is helpless.
And even if Diana manages to hit Tony, I don't think she would outright one-shot him. Extremis gives Tony nigh Wolverine level healing factor, and he had his entire body turned into a squashed mess and he regenerated in seconds. And while that is probably his most impressive healing factor feat, he does have other pretty absurd healing factor feats that saved him from things that would cause permanent physical injury or even death (I can list them if necessary, or provide scans).
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The key factor to beating Diana (aside from magnetism) are Tony's repulsors, and while they are far from being the most powerful gauntlets out there, since only Model 1 feats are allowed, Noone posted a scan from Iron Man Vol. 1 #192, where Tony stated that repulsors from Model 1 contain half the power of way more powerful suit Rhodey was using. And while that may not seem like much, considering how powerful those repulsors are, they should be more than enough to get rid of Diana. Not only because Rhodey was morals off when he fought Tony from that fight Noone posted, but because that same Rhodey, in the exact same Armor, under the exact same writer, in the exact same arc, just 4 issues prior to the one I just brought up (Iron Man Vol. 1 #188) was able to do this:
He destroys mountains, pretty casually at that. And this was just because he was frustrated. When he fought Tony, he was incredibly aggressive and was pretty much morals off the way we on Vine say it. And Tony still stated that his Model 1 repulsors are half to power of the one Rhodey has, and even if we take that with a grain of salt and not use this specific feat for scaling, it still puts things into perspective and gives us an idea of how powerful these repulsors are. Even if one is not enough, Tony can fire a bit more, which should be enough to knock Diana out, especially in combination with magnetism. For the sake of not relying on one statement only, those blasts were also powerful enough to make Grey Hulk scream out in pain in Hulk: Gray #4. Now, that was not even Joe Fixit. That was first appearance Grey Hulk, who is probably weaker than classic green Gravage Hulk who is like 80 tonner arguably as strong, if not a little weaker than Hercules and Thor. So pretty weak Hulk. However, even this version of the Hulk was capable of beating Model 1 Golden Iron Man, who himself tanked blows from Gravage Hulk and even tank few blows from Thor in Avengers Season One.
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This scaling may be redundant or kinda broken at this point, but given that most of Diana's feats are based off of scaling with other characters like Ares, Superman and Doomsday, I don't think it's that bad of a comparison. At the end of the day, I think Tony can win this due to being a better fighter, having more than enough speed to keep up (and Diana being tagged before), possessing impressive healing factor that could save him, having means to either get rid of Diana's gear or simply use it to his advantage, and overall packing enough power to put her down which can be believable even further once he exploits his magnetism abilities to hold her in place.
@kevd4wg: Yeah his durability and strength was enhanced too.
Here he completely overpowers and manhandles Daredevil:
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He also had some amazing showings against Clarence Ward (guy who stole Tony's armor):
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While partially armored, he even withstood some hits to the face by Ward:
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To be fair, he was only missing a face-plate in the last two scans, so it's likely that the helmet was dampening most of the impact.
He also withstood several hits from old man Captain America while enhanced by a damaged War Machine armor:
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He also had a pretty good healing factor too:
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He even dared Wolverine to take his best shot and watch him heal:
I've got plenty more too. He also fought Mr. Fantastic during the War Bound gladiator games in World War Hulk while simultaneously trying to hack Sakaaran robots, held his own against a pissed off Captain America (whom he bloodied), fought and beat Ezekiel Stane h2h, staggered and withstood a hit back from Sebastian Shaw, etc. These aren't even feats that he's accomplished without Extremis either. I'm just going off of purely Extremis showings right now.
@kylebroflovski: Even tho there are multiple posts above you that showcase Tony's speed and clear detailed explanation as to how and why his perception speed is superior to Diana's, you are not gonna even bother looking at that and just say how you doubt it? You are entitled to doubt anything but when info is literally on the same internet page you are commenting on, you should at least pay attention or look into it first. Regardless, bullet timing has nothing to do with perception. It is related to reaction time speed. Reflexes and brain speed are not the same thing. Regardless, Tony did actually bullet time in Iron Man Vol. 1 #277.
He did have his armor here, but Neo Classic armor barely had any speed enhancements, like most early Armors. R.T. Node and Extremis upgrades gave Tony way more speed than this Armor did, plus the fact that he naturally became faster without outside source simply by being in Armor for so long. Don't know how that's relevant to perception but whatever. I already posted way better speed feats for Tony, and the only reason why I did not bring this one up is because Diana has better feats than this one. You wanted it so here it is.
@thekinfing: You don't think this is similar to what Wonder Woman did?
I did read all of your posts, and I did take it seriously, but Diana having Street-Level speed is my biggest disagreement.
Alright. I was just asking. Wasn't assertive on my part.
What Mr. X and Elektra do is essencially a full tier below what Diana did at the beginning of JL, she blocked 20+ bullets while simultaneously saving he hostages, the closets feat I can think of would be Gorgon blocking bullets with his sword, but I personally don't think prime Gorgon to be Street-Tier.
Both X's and Elektra's feats are just as good, if not better than Gorgon's (I have issue numbers so if you want them, just ask):
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The only difference between these feats that Diana's is that they weren't actually moving their entire body. Depending on who you ask, that could actually be more impressive because the shooter has a clear bead on you, but I'm not gonna go there. Like I said, depending on who you ask. I don't see how what Diana did is on a completely different tier. She just reflects bullets while moving faster than the shooter. Black Panther pretty much blitzed bullet timers.
Captain America outrunning bullets is a pretty huge outlier unless we believe both his perception and travel speed are above Mach 2, which we both know it isn't.
Bullets don't move at mach 2, at least not regular bullets. If you want to bring perception into consideration, Cap literally sees bullets in slow motion, due to his enhanced physiology. As for traveling speed, he outran Daredevil and moved like a blur to him, and he's a guy who not only ricochets bullets after being fired while being weakened and distracted, but he can actually move faster than bullets. He was also stated to be equal to T'Challa in every physical way, who like I said, is the guy who schools bullet timers due to speed alone. Rogers is also one of casual bullet timers who can preform multi tasking feats in the span of bullets moving before he dodges them.
Regardless, I don't want to get completely off track here because Diana being a street leveler speed wise or not does not affect my point about Tony. But for the record, I actually said Diana is probably faster than most street levelers. But I really don't see how she is faster than Spider-man, Wolverine, Black Panther and other characters with similar power sets as them. At least, being capable of reaching speeds street levelers can't react to. What's impressive about her speed is effective use of both combat speed and reaction time speed, implying that they are even more impressive individually. But that's not street tier+. More like high end street tier.
Yeah Batman occasionaly teleports, but that has to do more with settings and stealth than actuall raw speed, on average he's probably blur/blink speed, but he doesn't really ghost characters consistently enough for me to claim that's he's consistent level, infact there's a scan in which he flat out states he doesn't move FTE but rather just appears to do so with ''teatrics'', the word escapes me right now but it was something among those lines, and while it was during his early Post-Crisis carrer I don't think Bruce improve so much that I can take all of his teleporting feats at face value.
If that really is the case than he is slower than most Marvel street levelers who are less skilled than he is.
Anyway, don't want to get too off track here. And I'm trying to limit the amount of my daily posts.
I already showed him displaying supersonic reaction/movement speeds and 50% of mountain leveling repulsors would go through Diana and her gear, Doomsday, and the rest of the JLA at once.
You had to ruin this relieving misunderstanding by saying this crap....
And Wonder Woman can tank island level heat vision on her shield and bracelets point blank, so that won't be a problem.
Yeah, Wonder Woman curbs. She probably wouldn't need her sword.
@kylebroflovski said:
I already showed him displaying supersonic reaction/movement speeds and 50% of mountain leveling repulsors would go through Diana and her gear, Doomsday, and the rest of the JLA at once.
You had to ruin this relieving misunderstanding by saying this crap....
And Wonder Woman can tank island level heat vision on her shield and bracelets point blank, so that won't be a problem.
Yeah, Wonder Woman curbs. She probably wouldn't need her sword.
Island level my ass. You know that destroying everything on an island's surface is lesser than destroying a mountain, right? Oh wait, it's you kyle
@noone1996 said:
@kylebroflovski: Lmao at Doomsday having island level heat vision. Energy projection spreading across the distance and surface of a small island < completely destroying a mountain. You know that even nukes cannot destroy an island or mountain, right?
Superman crashed into and leveled the top of a mountain in his literal first time trying to fly, so that's not very impressive. Zod's heat vision is city level and Doomsday's is stronger so it shouldn't be too difficult to wrap your brain around.
@thebeardofzues said:
@kylebroflovski: Lmao "Island level"
I guess that bolder Batman hid behind was a Country.
Not really a response to my argument. Yes, Doomsday heat vision is island by feats and scaling. Try again.
@ruthlesskiller said:
Island level my ass. You know that destroying everything on an island's surface is lesser than destroying a mountain, right? Oh wait, it's you kyle
No, yeah sorry it is actually island level by feats and scaling. And you know that Superman leveled a mountain his first time trying to fly and yet is hurt by Doomsday's heat vision? Try again.
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