A “still not Full Power” Jiren on his own is already enough to handle Kaioken Blue Goku and Vegeta, and based on the preview GoD Toppo may be enough to handle Vegeta also but this may not be the case. The only factor at the moment is the percentage of difference Ultra Instinct will make.
@dession_viper: mastered ui Goku would definitely one shot toppo. It's look like Beerus vs whis.
I guarantee if it's Goku vs toppo and jiren at the end of the tournament they would make god toppo get roflstomped by Goku to show how legit mastered ui is.
Mastered ui Goku is going to 1v1 jiren. Jiren>>>>>>>>toppo
@dession_viper: mastered ui Goku would definitely one shot toppo. It's look like Beerus vs whis.
I guarantee if it's Goku vs toppo and jiren at the end of the tournament they would make god toppo get roflstomped by Goku to show how legit mastered ui is.
Mastered ui Goku is going to 1v1 jiren. Jiren>>>>>>>>toppo
Yeah, but as of now UI Goku isn't oneshotting Toppo.
@scotchbear: There's always context in previews. A few episodes ago we saw Vegeta land several solid blows against Jiren and the latter's eyes go wide in shock, yet in the actual episode Jiren didn't even blemish his uniform.
You may be right, but the full episode must be seen to reach certainty.
@scotchbear: There's always context in previews. A few episodes ago we saw Vegeta land several solid blows against Jiren and the latter's eyes go wide in shock, yet in the actual episode Jiren didn't even blemish his uniform.
You may be right, but the full episode must be seen to reach certainty.
I do agree about previews, but considering that Vegeta just beat Toppo....
Vegeta beats Toppo and UI Goku VS Jiren will presumably take a while, due to UI dodging hax, so it becomes Vegeta+UI Goku vs Jiren, where Jiren should win as of right now, but will probably lose once Goku masters UI.
Vegeta beats Toppo and UI Goku VS Jiren will presumably take a while, due to UI dodfing hax, so it becomes Vegeta+UI Goku vs Jiren, where Jiren should win as of right now, but will probably lose once Goku masters UI.
@kingfrieza: lmao Toppo is literally GoD level as confirmed by all the Gods of Destruction in the stands. That alone puts him in the top tier of characters. Mastered SSB Vegeta stomped him. Beerus even tells Vegeta he could be a GoD with his current power prior to the ToP (manga).
They're not on Jiren or Goku's level, but they're still Top Tier (particularly Vegeta)
Through Nakama Power for Goku in his Ultra Instincts mode, he completely destroyed Jiren, and through his pride, Vegeta curbstomped Toppo (False GoD mode). As such team 1 should take it.... BUT this depends on the time limit for Ultra Instincts. If it is according to anime (which should be like 30-40 seconds (that's actually how long it should have been active), and Jiren lasts long enough, then team 2 should be able to take it. If it's unlimited transformation time, then both Toppo and Jiren will die horrible deaths. Goku has already partial immunity to Hakai (as per that one episode where the universe 9 guy w/ Sidra's energy of destruction tried to erase Freiza), and Vegeta basically nullified it during his fight with Toppo. Not only that, but Goku is capable of using hakai (as shown during his fight with merged Zamasu in the manga - chapter 25 page 20 - people may say manga is noncanon - but it's made by Totoro, as such it IS canon).
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