Ultra Ego Vegeta vs Jiren

@jack_hart:

Except Granolah wasn't even testing them out, he literally said that he just used the clone because he thought little of the Saiyan's power and was saving up for Freeza, and that if he knew how strong they really were he would've even bothered with the clone. So he would've achieved the same result either way,

When I meant testing them out, I meant the things you said.

The problem I have is that you decide to skip steps and assume that the same results would have yielded just because he underestimated the Saiyans, without any analysis or inference on your end to why its the case. Or acknowledging the points I made, it's two posts in and you made no attempt to refute them.

And Granolah made it a point to beat all of Goku's transformations with the vital point attack, even the ones he had definite superiority over. That he had to wear out Perfect UI's accuracy to find an opening is just a testament to peak UI's defense rather than any supposed superiority on Goku's part,

You're missing the point.

The fact that Granolah failed to find a weakness in Goku's form initially directly proves Goku's superiority. Granolah was examining Goku's vitals from both his clone and his real body, and failed. If Granolah is truly superior, he wouldn't need to wait out the accuracy of Goku's form by letting Goku run his mouth and concealing the fact that Goku was only fighting a clone.

Defense and offense of UI is only discussed in the anime, not the manga. In the manga, MUI is a straight up upgrade from UI Omen in terms of speed and power. In the anime, UI Omen's problem is the user's inability to transition from defense to offense, making the offense subpar, and MUI resolves that problem completely.

especially since his offense didn't even lower the clone's power as it should.

????

It shouldn't exactly because he was fighting a clone rather than the real body. The clone was only an illusion.

This site still has delusional Jiren fans?

Vegeta one shots with SSBE.

@gaoron: Alright, I challenge you to point out where in my posts did I post "headcanon". I can take it to a CaV if you want. Granolah vs Jiren, or MUI Goku vs UE Vegeta. Are you in or are you out?

@omega_king13: Current UI Goku would one shot Jiren and ToP UI Goku.

@noobsnowman: I'm down for Granolah vs Jiren.

@noobsnowman: Your boy Jiren is weaker than Moro 73 who broke his arm punching UI Goku (Moro arc).

Granolah breathes in Jiren's direction and he dies.

@gaoron: Ok. Manga versions only. Jiren as of the ToP. I'll set it up.

Jiren is irrevalent at this point of story, how can people really think that he's even giving a match to UE Vegeta..? the gap between them is too much to think that Jiren has a chance.

by feats: Vegeta

by statements: Jiren

feats >>>> statements

so Vegeta it is

Vegeta stomps

vegeta curbstomps, jiren fanboys cry harder 🤡

TAEP.

Saw Gaoron's post, he convinced me. Vegeta curbstomps.

''but...but...jiren > belmod >= beerus.''

O.T vegeta

@gaoron: don't be surprised if someone says angel tier jiren

^^

toei is gonna follow toriyama direction in the manga anyways, there is no ''anime only scaling''. it's all fan made up.

Guys, the power scale has been broken, it makes no sense to even discuss this

is estimated that right now/currently UE Vegeta is more powerful than Goku MUI

however it is difficult to know first because we have not seen them fight and we do not know how strong jiren has become from the ToP arc to the present

even so

if the universe 11 gray guy got stronger that his version of ToP arc, but still below MUI

my money goes to UE Vegeta as the winner

it's only broken because some people choose to compose it cross continuities (movies, manga, tv dbs) into some frankstein monster when really, there is only one scaling in toriyama vision.

@sign89: I'm confused, what's your point?

Jiren wins, ue vegeta is weak

Jiren is utter dogshit now, completely fodder

Jiren

Jiren wins, and it's not particurarly close either.

Jiren has been surpassed. Accept it people.

@omega_king13: Granolah is not stronger than Moro yet. His lack of training and experience prevented him from drawing out his full power, making him weaker than he is supposed to be, that's why he is evolving during the fight. This was addressed by Vegeta himself.

@crimsonslayer85: huh. Moro 73<angel Moro<Mui Goku<Current goku=vegeta

@takenstew22: By Goku and Moro? Yes.

By Vegeta? Not yet. Maybe when Vegeta masters his new form.

I dont know why was this bumped but vegeta literally curbstomps jiren like badly

@takenstew22 said: Jiren has been surpassed. Accept it people.

@jadyndiaz: Based on what is Vegeta on par with Goku?

@crimsonslayer85: MUI Goku, UE Vegeta and Granolah are pretty comparable to each other from what we've seen so far, with full power Granolah probably being the strongest of the bunch.

Jiren still scale to the GoDs while Vegeta said he is still not even close.

MUI is OP thats why it has so many nerfs if not for them Goku would beat either Vegeta Granolah or maybe even Beerus the fact Jiren was able to match it for a while proves he is in the GoDs scale.

Its already being two arcs, so its reasonable to believe that they already have enough power to surpass jiren at this point in the series.

Vegeta isn't even GoD level by his own admission

He probably will after mastering his form or whatever

@pandalumina:

"Vegeta isn't even GoD level by his own admission."

Merus > Goku..?

there is no evidence of granolah surpassing angel Moro other than a wish that was made after Moro was killed so it's relevant.

MUI was heavily nerfed and granolah victory was inconclusive.

????

@takenstew22: Not sure how Granolah is comparable to MUI Goku when he cheapshotted him while he was off guard and weakened. When Goku was aware of his technique, he could block his vital point attacks even as a MSSB. UE Vegeta likewise is nowhere near Goku if he conceded inferiority to Beerus, while Goku in MUI crushed mortals that have surpassed the GoDs such as Jiren and Moro 73. Granolah will eventually become stronger than MUI Goku, but he hasn't adjusted to his new power yet.

no way this guy thinks mui goku is stronger than granolah LMAOO

@deyyy: He is. Granolah had to wait for UI's accuracy to drop before landing a hit, not to mention that Goku lowered his guard due to him not knowing that he was fighting a clone.

@pandalumina:

One can't comprehend even the basic concept's...

One duly wasn't affirming that G.O.D's were above him but instead da' scope of the technique itself..

Another of your misinterpretation ploy..

Vegeta stomps Jiren.

Vegeta wins obviously.

But of course some folks are coping about Jiren being fodder to folks like Broly/Moro etc.

Why am I even surprised.

Elaborate.

In the Manga goku says that Moro is the strongest guy he know (Beerus excluded) and this is past broly let alone Jiren

Vegeta curb Jiren

MUI Goku. 73 and Angel Moro. Granolah's wish also made him stronger than ToP Jiren via being stronger than Goku at that time. And I have a very hard time believing UE Vegeta is weaker than 73 Moro.

Jiren has been surpassed, yes.

But not by Granolah or Ultra Ego Vegeta.

The former isn't even used to his power by his and Vegeta's admission. This makes him significantly weaker than he should be. It has been proven time and time again that a character recently acquiring a new power-up does not mean that he could readily use it in combat.

The latter is only a novice Destroyer.

Jiren is better than fully fledged Destroyers by credible sources and quotes. How do people convince themselves that he loses to someone inferior to a Destroyer baffles me.

And before people try to BS me and says Granolah "one-shotted MUI Goku", Granolah himself literally admitted that he relied on the circumstances and Goku's lack of knowledge that he was fighting a clone to get the hit in. That fight is anything but legitimate. If Granolah was truly superior, he would have been able to find Goku's weak spot during their fight and not relying on Goku running his mouth persuading him to surrender while the strain and accuracy of the form wore him down.

Vegeta easily.