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#1 Edited by Mr. Dead Pool (3026 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Doom has reached the earth 616, has joined forces with 616 Doom and they plan to pit the heroes against each other. All have standard gear.
Ult. Spidey VS 616 Spidey
Ult. Captain America VS 616 Cap(Steve)
Ult. Haweye VS 616 Hawkeye(Clint)
Ult. Iron Man VS 616 Iron Man(pre Extremis) 
Ult. Wolverine VS 616 Wolverine 
Ult. Hulk VS Joe Fixit 
Ult. Nick Fury VS 616 Nick Fury

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#2 Posted by GT-Man (4039 posts) - - Show Bio

AWESOME U DOOM WITH 616 DOOM the most badass hero conquering team ever!  so this is who wins in my opinion 
1 616 
2 Ultimate 
3 616
4  Hmmm tought I got to go with 616
5 616 FTW
6 Ultimate
7 Tie
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#3 Posted by Mercy_ (94916 posts) - - Show Bio

1. 616
2. Meh.
3. Ultimate, easily.
4. Meh.
5. 616
6. Ultimate
7. Meh

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#4 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (19151 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. 616
  2. Ultimate
  3. Ultimate
  4. Either I think
  5. 616
  6. Ultimate
  7. Don't make me choose
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#5 Posted by goldenshot80 (7456 posts) - - Show Bio

1. 616
2.uhhhh Either
3.ultimate
4Ultimate
5.616
6 Ultimate
7 Hmmm

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#6 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio

 Ult. Spidey VS 616 Spidey=  616 Spidey
Ult. Captain America VS 616 Cap(Steve)= Ult. Captain America
Ult. Haweye VS 616 Hawkeye(Clint)=  Ult Hawkeye
Ult. Iron Man VS 616 Iron Man(pre Extremis) = Could go either way but leaning on  616 Iron Man
Ult. Wolverine VS 616 Wolverine =  616 Wolverine
Ult. Hulk VS Joe Fixit =  Ultimate Hulk
Ult. Nick Fury VS 616 Nick Fury    =  616 Nick Fury has my vote on this (though it can go either way)
616 wins by a slim margin

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#7 Posted by Marius138 (94 posts) - - Show Bio

 My picks are highlighted in bold
 
 Ult. Spidey VS 616 Spidey
Ult. Captain America VS 616 Cap(Steve)
Ult. Haweye VS 616 Hawkeye(Clint)
Ult. Iron Man VS 616 Iron Man(pre Extremis) 
Ult. Wolverine VS 616 Wolverine 
Ult. Hulk VS Joe Fixit
Ult. Nick Fury VS 616 Nick Fury 

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#8 Edited by Deadcool (6943 posts) - - Show Bio

 Ult. Spidey VS 616 Spidey
Ult. Captain America VS 616 Cap(Steve) - 616 wins in a Comic logic fight, with real logic Ultimate.
Ult. Haweye VS 616 Hawkeye(Clint)
Ult. Iron Man VS 616 Iron Man(pre Extremis) 
Ult. Wolverine VS 616 Wolverine 
Ult. Hulk VS Joe Fixit 
Ult. Nick Fury VS 616 Nick Fury 

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#9 Posted by ryanthereaper (418 posts) - - Show Bio

 Ult. Spidey VS 616 Spidey 
Ult. Captain America VS 616 Cap(Steve)
Ult. Haweye VS 616 Hawkeye(Clint)
Ult. Iron Man VS 616 Iron Man(pre Extremis) 
Ult. Wolverine VS 616 Wolverine 
Ult. Hulk VS Joe Fixit 
Ult. Nick Fury VS 616 Nick Fury     
 
I think the Ult. can take it.

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#10 Edited by bgibs13390 (1167 posts) - - Show Bio

  Ult. Spidey VS 616 Spidey 
Ult. Captain America VS 616 Cap(Steve) -I like 616 better I just think Ult will fight dirty 
Ult. Haweye VS 616 Hawkeye(Clint)
Ult. Iron Man VS 616 Iron Man(pre Extremis) 
Ult. Wolverine VS 616 Wolverine 
Ult. Hulk VS Joe Fixit 
Ult. Nick Fury VS 616 Nick Fury 

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#11 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Hulk wins his fight.  616 sweeps the rest.
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#12 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. 616
  2. Ultimate
  3. 616
  4. 616
  5. 616
  6. Ultimate
  7. Tie.
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#13 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio

1. 616
2. Ult
3. Ult
4 616
5 616
6 Ult
7 Does it make me racist if I pick 616?
 
@PowerHerc said:

" Ultimate Hulk wins his fight.  616 sweeps the rest. "

Ult Hawkeye and Ult Cap win their fights.
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#14 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:
"1. 616
2. Ult
3. Ult
4 616
5 616
6 Ult
7 Does it make me racist if I pick 616?
 
@PowerHerc said:
" Ultimate Hulk wins his fight.  616 sweeps the rest. "
Ult Hawkeye and Ult Cap win their fights. "

Nay!
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#15 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite: 
I agree with you on the Captain America fight but Ultimate Hawkeye has not done anything that I doubt 616 could replicate or improve on. 
 
Oh and racist!
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#16 Edited by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: Ult Cap is far stronger than his 616 counterpart and just as skilled. 
 
@erik said:

" @Decoy Elite:  I agree with you on the Captain America fight but Ultimate Hawkeye has not done anything that I doubt 616 could replicate or improve on.   Oh and racist! "


The tagging ghost rider while GH was on a plane that was IIRC a few miles away. 
Also he uses guns with the same amount of skill as 616 does with arrows, so he has a firing rate advantage.
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#17 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (18062 posts) - - Show Bio

616 beats ultimate in every fight except hulk 
 
edited 12/15/2010
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#18 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:  
@erik said:

" @Decoy Elite:  I agree with you on the Captain America fight but Ultimate Hawkeye has not done anything that I doubt 616 could replicate or improve on.   Oh and racist! "

The tagging ghost rider while GH was on a plane that was IIRC a few miles away.  Also he uses guns with the same amount of skill as 616 does with arrows, so he has a firing rate advantage. "


Assuming 616 gets the same weapon used to hit GR, I do not doubt he could also make the shot. 616 is not limited to bows and arrows, he is just as proficient with any projectile weapon. But I did forget that Ultimate prefers the guns now so I will give you the firing rate point.
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#19 Posted by Mercy_ (94916 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt

616 beats ultimate in every fight
No.
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#20 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik said:
" @Decoy Elite said:  
@erik said:

" @Decoy Elite:  I agree with you on the Captain America fight but Ultimate Hawkeye has not done anything that I doubt 616 could replicate or improve on.   Oh and racist! "

The tagging ghost rider while GH was on a plane that was IIRC a few miles away.  Also he uses guns with the same amount of skill as 616 does with arrows, so he has a firing rate advantage. "

Assuming 616 gets the same weapon used to hit GR, I do not doubt he could also make the shot. 616 is not limited to bows and arrows, he is just as proficient with any projectile weapon. But I did forget that Ultimate prefers the guns now so I will give you the firing rate point. "
Not to mention Ult is just as accurate. While he does have less feats, what feats he does have are quite good. I'd say he's at least on par with his 616 counterpart when it comes to accuracy. Add in his better weaponry and he should be able to take down 616 Hawkeye in a tough fight.
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#21 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (18062 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:
yup yup 
 
all the 616 heroes are more powerful more experienced and more skilled 
 
ultimates are just pale gritty "realistic" reflections 
 
 
edit:never mind i forgot it was joe fixit aginst ultimate
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#22 Posted by Agent9149 (3627 posts) - - Show Bio

am i really the only one who thinks ultimate wolverine pwns 616 wolverine =\

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#23 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18062 posts) - - Show Bio
@agent9149:
yep 
 
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#24 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress: yup yup  all the 616 heroes are more powerful more experienced and more skilled  ultimates are just pale gritty "realistic" reflections   edit:never mind i forgot it was joe fixit aginst ultimate "
Ult Cap is stronger than normal Cap and just as skilled. :/ 
Ult Hawkeye is just as accurate as normal Hawkeye, except he uses freakin' guns.
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#25 Posted by Agent9149 (3627 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt:  well its a darn shame...
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#26 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44210 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress: yup yup  all the 616 heroes are more powerful more experienced and more skilled  ultimates are just pale gritty "realistic" reflections   edit:never mind i forgot it was joe fixit aginst ultimate "
Ult Cap is stronger than normal Cap and just as skilled. :/  Ult Hawkeye is just as accurate as normal Hawkeye, except he uses freakin' guns. "
False.
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#27 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Donnieman v5.1: Really now? What makes you say that?
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#28 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (18062 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite:
how is he stronger? i kinda agree on the hawkeye but 616 clint it still more skilled
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#29 Edited by Donnieman v5.1 (44210 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite: Ult Hawkeye was able to kill guards with his fingernails.
 

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#30 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:
" @erik said:
" @Decoy Elite said:  
@erik said:

" @Decoy Elite:  I agree with you on the Captain America fight but Ultimate Hawkeye has not done anything that I doubt 616 could replicate or improve on.   Oh and racist! "

The tagging ghost rider while GH was on a plane that was IIRC a few miles away.  Also he uses guns with the same amount of skill as 616 does with arrows, so he has a firing rate advantage. "

Assuming 616 gets the same weapon used to hit GR, I do not doubt he could also make the shot. 616 is not limited to bows and arrows, he is just as proficient with any projectile weapon. But I did forget that Ultimate prefers the guns now so I will give you the firing rate point. "
Not to mention Ult is just as accurate. While he does have less feats, what feats he does have are quite good. I'd say he's at least on par with his 616 counterpart when it comes to accuracy. Add in his better weaponry and he should be able to take down 616 Hawkeye in a tough fight. "

Yeah. I can get behind that. It seems about right.
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#31 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" @Decoy Elite: how is he stronger? i kinda agree on the hawkeye but 616 clint it still more skilled "
He has better physical feats IIRC.
 
Ult Hawkeye has feats on par with 616 Clint. (such as the fingernail feat)
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#32 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Donnieman v5.1: 
Now are you going to post feats that prove that 616 Clint is incapable of doing the same thing?
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#33 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Donnieman v5.1: That's why I said he's just as accurate as 616 Hawkeye. :/
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#34 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18062 posts) - - Show Bio
@Donnieman v5.1:  
somehow i knew someone was going to post that scan........ ill give it to you but ill keep my personal belief that 616 clint would wipe the floor with him
 

@Decoy Elite:
okay ill give you the strength feat simply because i dont have any proof on the contrary and am too lazy to go find some but i seriously doubt hes as experienced as 616 cap 
 
they both had all of ww2  and ult caps been unfrozen for what 2-3 years tops in comic time 
 
and 616 cap has been unfrozen for at least ten years 
 
 
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#35 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" @Donnieman v5.1:  somehow i knew someone was going to post that scan........ ill give it to you but ill keep my personal belief that 616 clint would wipe the floor with him @Decoy Elite: okay ill give you the strength feat simply because i dont have any proof on the contrary and am too lazy to go find some but i seriously doubt hes as experienced as 616 cap  they both had all of ww2  and ult caps been unfrozen for what 2-3 years tops in comic time  and 616 cap has been unfrozen for at least ten years    "
Ultimate Captain America has perfect memory and is constantly training. It never says the extent of his knowledge in combat but he is referred to as the absolute best in all around combat. Not to mention his stats are well above 616 Rogers.
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#36 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18062 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik:
if you say so, im still not convinced 
 
can you post these stats and proof of his perfect memory 
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#37 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18062 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik:
ait you're not getting this from the handbook are you..........
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#38 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" @erik: ait you're not getting this from the handbook are you.......... "
I have his handbook scan, I just could not be bothered to look it up when I still have his issues pretty fresh in my head. But since your post implies that I should, I will pull it up. I question the accuracy of the actual stats though because Ultimate Black Widow's stats were listed as higher. 
 

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#39 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" @erik: if you say so, im still not convinced  can you post these stats and proof of his perfect memory  "
It was in the beginning of the Red Skull arc. I will try to find the scan but if I cannot, you at least have the story arc.
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#40 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18062 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik:
actually my post was implying that you shouldnt use the handbooks 
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#41 Posted by Erik (32502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" @erik: actually my post was implying that you shouldnt use the handbooks  "
Ah I see. Yeah, when it comes to Ultimate universe anyway, the handbooks are not very reliable. There is no way that Ultimate Natasha was superior to Rogers in physical stats.
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#42 Posted by Hoboseid (1043 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:
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@PowerHerc said:
" Ultimate Hulk wins his fight.  616 sweeps the rest. "
Ult Hawkeye and Ult Cap win their fights. "
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#43 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hoboseid:
Nope.   
 
616 Cap always finds a way to win.  That's what he does here.   
616 Clint beats super-depressed death-wishing Ultimate Clint by taking advantage of his marginal mental state.
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#44 Posted by CharlieJade (442 posts) - - Show Bio

bye bye Ultimates

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