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Ultimate Battle : Anos vs Composite CCC Gilgamesh vs Yogiri vs Xeno Goku vs Rimuru vs Reinhard (Shinza) vs Aloveans
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CCC Gilgamesh solos.
Reinhard is only 5-D to 6-D, while Gilgamesh is above the 8-D Moon Cell possibly infinite D. (RT here. <) As for hax... Gilgamesh overpowered and overrode the very device that created him and originally had authority over him, and one shotted beings fused with said device. He also contains every physical Noble Phantasm and every item ever made in human history:
Gilgamesh is renowned for having collected all the treasures in the world in his lifetime, amassing a perfect treasury that lacked nothing.[6] As there was nothing he was unable to collect, Gilgamesh was a collector of treasures, whose favorite phrase, "I collected all the treasures of the earth", is not a metaphor.[6][19] As anything can be found within the vault, the amount of wealth within exceeds even his own knowledge; it is said that its inventory of treasure continues to increase even now.[4][30][31] He collected and stored away samples of all the technology that was developed during his age. The desires of ancient humans were similar to those of the current age, so their technology, bolstered by the powerful magic of his era, was not inferior to that of the modern age. The "Instruments of Hope" that people dreamed of were all realized, and because every single case was requisitioned by the King's hand, his collection is even furnished with airplanes and submarines.[19]
It also contains all of the original bases for all intellectual properties produced by mankind that originated in his kingdom, making board games and the works of the Library of Alexandria no more than imitations.[32] It is still sought out by some magi, believed to hold all things in the world and enshrine every possible magical artifact.[28] That within are not merely riches, but his collection is the very "origin of human wisdom."[19] It is the proof of human wisdom and human ingenuity.[4] That which is missing from the vault would be items produced with completely new concepts by a new human race and items produced with extraterrestrial intelligence and technology.[19] He is the original hero, so all heroes of various myths are derived from his legend. It may be a paradox, but he, as the original, must possess that which can be handed down as the Noble Phantasms possessed by those later heroes for they are derived from him for that very reason.[19] These weapons are technically nameless, the original Prototypes of the Noble Phantasms (すべての宝具の原型, Subete no Hōgu no Genkei?) and the common points before they became objects of faith that act as the foundations for their legends.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gate_of_Babylon#Contents
It says that he does not know of all the items in his Gate of Babylon, and that he is incapable of using the specific functions on Noble Phantasms, but this can be changed with Gilgamesh's ability called SNI, which practically grants him nigh to full omniscience:
Sha Naqba Imuru (He who Saw the Deep): The Omniscient Omnipotent Star (全知なるや全能の星シャ・ナクパ・イルム, Zenchinaru ya Zen'nō no HoshiSha Nakupa Irumu?) is the mentality of Gilgamesh sublimated into a Noble Phantasm, said to have "spread across all corners of the world as if the brilliance of the stars, seeing through all creation." It is a "continuously active-type Noble Phantasm" that does not require its name to be invoked, but it is assumed that Gilgamesh keeps it intentionally restrained. Possessing tremendous efficiency, it can discern heavily concealed truths with a single glance, from that of the opponent's True Name and Noble Phantasms to possibly even seeing through a piece of the truth of the demise of human history in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order.[1] Upon releasing its True Name, it will work as a form of "instruction" for him to guide others with the most optimal tactics, simultaneously increasing the attack power and defense power of his whole team near his position.[2]
Gilgamesh is a clairvoyance user with a "sense of 'sight' several levels above the ordinary."[3][4] When facing him in a game like chess, he claims that even someone making advanced predictions and reading the flow of the game will have already lost at that moment. He does not read the future of the chess board, but instead gazes down upon and oversees it, allowing the correct move to always be visible to him. Even in something like a card game, the very minimum requirement to play against him on equal terms would be to draw the precise hand required.[3] He can also see the possibilities of various parallel worlds should he so chooses, but, as a Heroic Spirit, the Throne of Heroes normally adjusts his memories and knowledge to the world in which he is summoned in to keep him from being confused by multiple sets of memories. Even with this ability, his personality would cause him to reject certain world lines as nonsense, such as using clairvoyance to see something like a possibility of a world where he is swallowed by the mud of the grail.[4]
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Sha_Naqba_Imuru
Now while Gilgamesh's arrogance sometimes makes him ignore SNI, you sre unfortunately using CCC Gilgamesh, who is much more serious. With this ability, he can see every correct move to make, how to use every specific Noble Phantasm in his Gate (as evident with him instantly finding out how everyone else's Noble Phantasms work instantly), and should be able to know everything that is in his Gate. As we see Gilgamesh pull out highly specific weapons from his Gate that fit the situation perfectly, which is clearly due to SNI:
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Gilgamesh can also go from being a lackluster swordsman to the best in the entire Nasuverse with SNI; as he was capable of trading blows with Moon Cell BB (a nigh-omniscient advanced Moon Cell AI that has the memory and data of all the best warriors in Gaia's history) in close quarters combat:
As for what Gilgamesh can pull from the Gate to kill Reinhard with... He has weapons that can instill the concept of death into something:
Black Barrel (ブラックバレル, Burakku Bareru?), also called Longinus, which he excavated from the sealed region of Atlasia. It is gun that is a "Conceptual Weapon of natural life-span", capable of imposing the notion of limited life-span into the body of near-immortal creatures.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_God#Abilities
Barrel Replica (バレルレプリカ, Bareru Repurika?), a Mystic Code that is a replica of the Black Barrel, with the apperance of a CZ 75.[2] Described to look like a CZ 75 handgun, it is a Conceptual Weapon of "natural lifespan" that puts out a toxin, attack power, in proportion to that life form's natural life span
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Sion_Eltnam_Atlasia#Abilities
"Near-immortal" seems to be a wiki mistranslation, as we see the Barrel Replica kill an immortal being and beings without the concept of death (considered to be above immortality).
Ultimate Ones (原初の一アルテミット・ワン, Gensho no IchiArutemitto Wan?, lit. Primordial One (Ultimate One)), also known as Aristoteles (アリストテレス, Arisutoteresu?) by the humans of the Land of Steel or Types (タイプ, Taipu?), are the eight ultimate lifeforms from other heavenly bodies, embodying the will of the planets themselves.
Ultimate Ones are the ultimate beings from other planets, differing significantly from both creatures of Earth and each other biologically and in appearance. They do not have the same sense of self as humans, nor do they have the concepts of damage or death.
Type Venus is "killed" by Gun God,
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Ultimate_One
We also see Sion kill an immortal Dead Apostle Ancestor with Barrel Replica:
As we can see with Barrel Replica, the power of it automatically equates to the life span of the opponent, resulting in a one hit kill. Once he instills the concept of death into Reinhard with the Black Barrel, he can shoot him with Barrel Replica, which will automatically equal its killing power to the new lifespan Gilgamesh just instilled into him.
If Reinhard uses his conceptual spear that is always faster than its target, Gilgamesh can counter with Fragarach:
Fragarach: Gouging Sword of the War God (斬り抉る戦神の剣フラガラック, Kiri Eguru Senjin no KenFuragarakku?), also called Answerer: That Which Comes Later Cuts First (後より出でて先に断つものアンサラー, Ato yori Idete Saki ni Tatsu monoAnsarā?) and The Retaliator, is a Noble Phantasm and Mystic Code with the ultimate form of counterattack. It is the "Sword of Retrograde" and an indefeasible weapon of the gods, divinely protected by some malicious will, that works by using a conceptual curse to warp destiny and a divine trick that uses time as its blade. It warps causality to always strike the opponent in the heart with a needle thin concentrated blast right before they unleash their ultimate attack. The condition for its use is that the opponent must use their strongest attack, and Fragarach must be used directly after the enemy's strike. It would normally be that Fragarach would kill the enemy, and the opponent's attack would also simultaneously destroy Bazett.
Despite being released afterwards and no matter how fast the opposing attack is cast, Fragarach always strikes first by changing the flow of time to rewrite events so that it makes its own strike against the enemy before the opposing move was ever made in the course of the world. Rather than just rewriting events to gouge out the heart of the enemy, it is severing the fate of the combatants, reversing and changing the flow of destiny of both the user and the enemy simultaneously killing each other with their attacks. The attack of the enemy, returned to a point where it "couldn't happen" due to the user being struck down by Fragarach, is wiped out by the laws of the world and the absolute system of time. No matter the power or speed of the ability, it is impossible to use if the enemy is defeated and has all of their later actions voided before they even have a chance to attack. It is an ability using one's life as bait to counter a one-turn-kill to win the battle that both kills the enemy and nullifies their attack, creating a perfect balance between offensive and defensive capabilities.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Fragarach
Gilgamesh can also return the favor in kind with his own spear, Gae Bolg:
Gáe Bolg: Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death (刺し穿つ死棘の槍ゲイ・ボルク, Sashi Ugatsu Shitoge no YariGei Boruku?, also translated as Spear of Impaling Barbed Death) is an attack focused on a single target, created by Lancer to suit his own style, that strikes a fatal blow that always pierces the opponent's heart and ruins their body from within with its thousand iron thorns. It literally freezes the mana in the air, and it can easily be perceived as a sure-kill technique by all those around simply from being charged with magical energy. Once Gáe Bolg's name has been called, the cursed spear reverses the nature of causality, the meaning of "cause and effect" in the order of things, to make it so the cause of the "lance being thrust" comes from the effect of the "opponent's heart being pierced" by it. It determines the opponent's fate simply through its use, an always fatal move that pierces the heart with one thrust. It is also possible for him to activate it without actively striking the heart.[6] It is an attack on destiny itself, and while not a surprising fact due to its wielder's demi-god heritage, it is a top-notch power even with its seeming limitations in power due to being a step away from the Authority of the Gods.[7]
The actual action of the thrust is merely a formality, as the lance has already pierced the opponent's heart before the attack has even started. The "result" of "the heart of the opponent has been pierced" is created earlier than it is thrust, while the "cause" that "the lance has pierced through the heart" is generated later. Aside from great luck, it is a technique that determines "if it is released, the opponent is dead."
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/G%C3%A1e_Bolg#Barbed_Spear_that_Pierces_with_Death
Gilgamesh can also bind Reinhard with Enkidu, The Chains of Heaven, which increases the strength of the chains based on the opponents divinity, and scales its strength to their divinity:
Enkidu: Chains of Heaven (天の鎖エルキドゥ, Ten no KusariErukidu?) is the Noble Phantasm most trusted by Gilgamesh, even more so than Ea, and the "greatest secret" stored in the Gate of Babylon. It is a chain named after his closest friend, made to bind the gods so they cannot escape, making it one of the few Anti-Divine weapons that holds the concept of "reigning over the gods." The strength and durability of the chain grows stronger with the target having higher Divinity, but is no more than a tough chain to a target without Divinity like Saber, Assassin, or Archer. When used against a regular human like Shirou Emiya, he feels he has no chance of prying it off of him. Divine targets are completely held in place, allowing him to bind the "Bull of Heaven" that brought seven years of famine in Uruk. It does have some sort of limit, as even he is able to tell that the chain is not enough to completely bind the demi-god Heracles strengthened by Mad Enhancement.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Enkidu_(Noble_Phantasm)
It should be noted that Heracles only broke the chains because he has an ability to adapt to anything.
Gilgamesh can also fire all of the Noble Phantasms in his Gate like a rain of bullets, each with their own special ability:
While it is possible to block many of the strikes, to do so without knowing the abilities of the weapons can be seen as suicidal.[8] He will generally fight at long range while shooting projectiles from behind him directly at the opponent, but he can also freely move with the portals also moving with him.[12] He can freely deploy the portals mid-air while piloting Vimana as well.[20] When fighting at extremely close range, he shows the ability to loose weapons from above, below, and to the side of the opponent.[21] He can also summon weapons completely around the target for a full 360 degree barrage that should generally leave not even a single trace of flesh from the opponent.[16] When closed upon by a target, or simply to play with the opponent, he can freely draw weapons into his hands for melee combat.[6][22] The ability to handle them depends upon the user's capability.[3] Gilgamesh makes use of the many unknown abilities of the weapons, and constantly switches them to keep his opponent off-guard.[6]
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gate_of_Babylon#Contents
Here's him actually using it in such a fashion:
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So Reinhard will also have to deal with countless of weapons being shot at him, with each weapon carrying some sort of effect/ability/hax. All of this, but with a full power multiversal Gilgamesh from the Extraverse timelines, who has speed that can match omnipresence. lmao
Since Gilgamesh literally has every item from Earth (which makes up 99.9% of the Nasuverse's known items), it is borderline impossible and pointless to list them all here. I only listed the ones I think will let him win easily. Gilgamesh is honestly better off being pitted against Umineko due to his hax.
Oh, and Enuma Elish isn't even remotely needed here; thus I did not mention it.
Tagging acquaintances who may want to argue for Rein, or who may just be interested to see this:
Biography
Gilgamesh, the great half-god, half-human king born from the union between the King of Uruk, Lugalbanda, and goddess Rimat-Ninsun. He ruled the Sumerian city-state of Uruk, the capital city of ancient Mesopotamia in the B.C. era. He was an ultimate, transcendent being so divine as to be two-thirds god and one-third human, and no others in the world could match him. He was a despot possessing high divinity who believed he was invincible. He is not merely a legend, and is said to have actually existed and ruled during the Sumer Dynasty five thousand years ago. He was the King of Heroes (英雄王, Eiyū-Ō?) who possessed all things in the world, whose tale is recorded in mankind's oldest epic poem, the Epic of Gilgamesh which portrays Gilgamesh as a hero, destined to be king and achieve great feats, who is driven to meet his destiny, facing challenges together with his best friend Enkidu.
His title, King of Heroes, is not meant to call him a king who is a hero, but instead implies that he is the king over all heroes. He is mankind's oldest hero, the origin of all myths and model on which heroes are based, so his story is copied within the mythologies of all the countries of the world. The heroes of various myths are derived from his legend, so his Gate of Babylon possesses all of their Noble Phantasms. Though there are numerous kings with titles such as the King of Knights or the King of Conquerors, he is the only one in all of heaven and earth crowned with the title of "King of All Heroes."
In the world of Fate/Extra, Gilgamesh is encountered by Hakuno Kishanami, a master in the Moon Cell Holy Grail War whom he decides to make a Servant contract with. Normally, it should be impossible for anyone to contact Gilgamesh in the Moon Cell, as he exist in the higher dimensional Far Side/Garden of The Fallen, where no ordinary being should be able to exist, however due to BB's reconstruction of the Far Side, it was made accessible to by ordinary beings.
Gilgamesh and Hakuno proceed on a long journey with many battles to stop the rampant A.I BB, who seeks to take control of the Moon Cell.
Terminology
We will go over basic terminology of the Nasuverse, just in case anyone is not too knowledgeable.
- Nasuverse: A name given by fans that refers to almost the entirety of all works created by Kinoko Nasu. Almost all of his works such as Mahoutsukai no Yoru, Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Extra, and more exist within the same universe (with a few exceptions).
- Reality Marble: The concept of a Reality Marble (固有結界, Koyū Kekkai?, Innate Bounded Field) is one that centers around the materialization and projection of one's inner world onto reality following the Thaumaturgical Theory World Egg (世界卵, Sekai Tamago?). Originally, it was an ability that daemons have as their Alien Common Sense (異界常識, Ikai Jōshiki?), but some people such as The Twenty-seven Dead Apostle Ancestors and the greatest of magi have made this ability available to use through a long time. The created worlds are completely cut off from normal reality, projecting their internal landscape and sealing off the regular World. Following the World Egg theory, the actualization of a Reality Marble is the result of switching the Self and the World while keeping the boundary the same. The size of the Self and the World is switched, enclosing the World in a small container while the Self is expanded. The contained World is the World Egg and the name of the theory. They will encase anyone within range, causing them to disappear from view.
So far, the biggest reality marble in the Nasuverse is the Moon Cell's, being far beyond what is classified as an infinite multiverse.
- Noble Phantasm: Noble Phantasms (ノウブル・ファンタズム, Nouburu Fantazumu?), in Japanese literary called Precious Tools (宝具, Hōgu?) are "crystallized mysteries", powerful armaments made using the imagination of humans as their core, and weapons or abilities owned by Heroic Spirits. They are the embodiment of the ultimate mysteries of a hero that symbolizes one's existence through historical facts and anecdotes. They can be physical weapons, such as swords, lances, and bows, or support items, such as rings and crowns. They can also be abstract concepts, like unique abilities, unique means of attacks, curses, and changes to the environment and its physical properties. When summoned as Servants in the Holy Grail War, they are the trump cards of the heroes that allow them to overcome others in battle.
Due to Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon and being the King of Heroes, he possesses every Noble Phantasm in history with very few exceptions, such as Hercules's God Hand.
- Holy Grail: In Fate/Extra, the Holy Grail is actually what masters refer to as the Moon Cell or the Moon Cell's core, which can be used in a similar way to the original Holy Grail (although on a much higher level). The victor of the Holy Grail War has the privilege of entering the Moon Cell's core to grant a single wish, just like the original Holy Grail.
Cosmology
Nasuverse cosmology is quite unique, with planets being reality marbles themselves, the Throne of Heroes outside of space-time, ect; for this thread however, we will only be focusing on the higher dimensions of the Nasuverse and the Moon Cell's cosmology.
Higher dimensions in the Nasuverse are not talked about much, as most Nasuverse characters are planetary or lower in terms of power, however there is a little bit of information that seems to show (or at least heavily imply) that higher dimensions in the Nasuverse are completely superior to lower. I would like to also state that we are NOT using VSBattles dimensional tiering.
The first bit of information that seems to show higher dimensions are absolutely superior to lower is Saber/Arturia's Avalon, "Its function as a Noble Phantasm is an "absolute defense" that completely shields its user in the domain of the fairies, Avalon, the unreachable utopia that King Arthur dreamt of and was said to have gone to after her death. It is the greatest protection in the world that goes beyond defending or reflecting, completely isolating its user in a world completely separate from the regular world. The scabbard dissipates into countless tiny particles in the air and engulfs the user to become a "portable fortress" that shuts out all interference. It is the Bounded Field of the tranquil domain of fairies that keeps out all filth from the outside world, and allows nothing to harm the tranquil King that stands in the land of Avalon. The individual is shielded from all destructive interference in the physical realm, transliners from parallel worlds, and multidimensional communication as far as the sixth dimension. It is on the level of true magic, an actual true magic in itself, that transcends all magecraft, and not even the Five Magics can overcome the barrier" So based off this, Avalon seems to be a solid 6-D defensive Noble Phantasm. The only possible Noble Phantasm (that isn't from Fate/Extra) that can damage Avalon, is a full powered Enuma Elish from Gilgamesh, as it isn't simply an attack, but conceptually returns all to nothingness at full power (Saber's Avalon only blocked a casual Enuma Elish from an arrogant Gilgamesh in Fate/Stay Night).
Now onto Fate/Extra and the Moon Cell, which is far above even Avalon...
The Moon Cell is an object in Earth's solar system that simply observes the Earth. Despite it being a relatively small object in the solar system, with it's reality warping powers, the Moon Cell can create a virtual reality marble way beyond the size of a multiverse within its domain, despite its small physical size in the real world.
The Moon Cell's Far Side is anywhere from 5-D (stated to be higher dimensional, meaning above 4-D) to 7-D (it's description and properties seem far more impressive than Avalon's). "There also exists the Far Side of the Moon (月の裏側, Tsuki no Uragawa?), an imaginary space known as the trash bin that is used for storing malicious information and imaginary numbers. Sealed off as "Not For Use" information, it is a higher dimension where the light within the photon crystals is jumbled. It is the “exterior of the world”, and can be called the "Garden of the Fallen" built from imaginary numbers in contrast to the Near Side being a cell where the "light of heavenly fire" is imprisoned. Due to his power, Gilgamesh is not allowed to appear on the Near Side of the Moon, so he sleeps in the Far Side instead. Nothing else should be able to exist there because it is the territory of nil, and intelligent life forms should not be allowed or be able to exist there. It is not within normal time, allowing for a series of communications over eighteen days from Earth to take less than a microsecond within the timeframe of the Moon Cell."
As you can see, Gilgamesh in the world of Fate/Extra is so powerful that he exist in a higher dimensional void that is possibly above Avalon in his base form.
As for how ordinary beings begin to safely enter the Far Side... "Due to BB surfacing and gaining power as an Advanced A.I., she begins an extensive reconstruction and periods of resetting to work towards her goals. This allows for someone to contact Gilgamesh even when it should be impossible. The end result of her work is Cursed Cutting Crater, a real space in the present, past, and future. Establishing it as a "place", even Masters can exist there. It is not possible to hack the Moon Cell however much time is spent, but she is able to take control of it by placing herself in “unlimited time” through the power of the primordial goddesses she has taken into herself"
The Moon Cell has at least eight confirmed dimensions, as the barrier around the Moon Cell's core cuts through eight dimensions, and was only bypassed by BB's hacking abilities. "BB :: However…The Moon Cell is, you might say impudent, or that its defenses are flawless. Even though I managed to pass through the imaginary number space at the speed of light, a huge wall now stands before our devilish heroine BB-chan! It’s a perfectly spherical spirit particle defense wall that cuts through eight dimensions. It looks like it’ll be very hard to break down this wall. But this is the last move. After I break this wall into little pieces I’ll have reached my goal. So I’ve left all of you in Meltlilith’s care." So we know that the Moon Cell has eight dimensions considering one of its barriers cuts through that many dimensions. I do believe (despite no confirmed limit) that the Moon Cell caps out at eight dimensions, as the barrier BB is getting past is the final barrier before reaching the Moon Cell's core, meaning said barrier should logically be made with the Moon Cell's maximum power to prevent anyone from accessing its core.
However there is more to the Moon Cell's cosmology than just dimensions... Now to what actually exist within it's reality marble...
The Moon Cell containsinfinitefutures of the Earth somewhere in the Far Side; this alone should qualify as an infinite multiverse of some sort. You may say "but these are just infinite possibilities/futures of a planet, while a multiverse contains infinite universes", but keep in mind that ANYTHING of infinite size should be comparable to an infinite multiverse, not to mention these possible futures are stored in presumably, the higher dimensional Far Side, meaning you would need a being on that level to damage/destroy it (as we saw with Avalon blocking out anything up to the sixth dimension). You may also say "But they are POSSIBLE futures, meaning they don't exist", however the Moon Cell simulates and stores all of these possibilities, meaning they exist to some extent within the Moon Cell, "Rani :: The Holy Grail is an observational device that simulates the future of the Earth, and stores those records continuously, at regular intervals. It has been doing so since the beginning of human history. Though it is supposed, an infinity of futures are recorded here in the moon. To obtain the Moon Cell means to be able to search out the future you wish for from among all of those, and put it into effect." We learn from the above links from Twice that the possible futures are indeed infinite.
There is one possible infinite sized area in the Near Side of the Moon Cell (the lower dimensional areas where the Holy Grail War takes place) called the Infinite Chimeric Lunar Sea. It is the last floor of the Chimeric Lunar Sea with an unknown size. The playable area is limited in size, but that is because of the barriers that prevent the player from going further out. Despite being a name, Kinoko Nasu never tends to name things randomly for no reason, so I believe it to be infinite. Since this is my Respect Thread, I will be counting this realm as infinite, however if a name alone isn't enough for you, feel free to discard it in debates.
The Moon Cell is also capable of effecting the outside world.
The Power of Fate/Extra's Gilgamesh
Before we get to the main event, I'd like to state that Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra CCC have nothing to do with the main timelines of the Nasuverse and has an entirely different set of power levels for it's incarnation of all of these characters. The power of Fate/Stay Night Gilgamesh has nothing to do with Gilgamesh from Fate/Extra CCC. The timelines from Fate/Extra to other timelines are too different to powerscale from. I would also like to state that we are NOT using Fate/Extella, as despite being similar to Fate/Extra, has way too many different powerscaling contradictions, motives, backstory, and overall lore. The Moon Cell bestowing a regalia to Hakuno in Extella despite planning to delete her in Extra, and the fact that Extra and CCC's endings all make Extella impossible to happen is enough to prove that they are incompatible. I could go into many more reasons, but now is not the time.
Now onto the main event...
As we know, Gilgamesh in his base form (pre-Genesis Mystic Code) was able to live in a 5-D to possibly 7-D realm. Gilgamesh became much weaker during the beginning of Fate/Extra CCC however, partly due to his long sleep in the Far Side, but almost entirely due to making a contract with an incompetent master that had lost all of her memories. The Servant contract with Hakuno Kishinami made Gilgamesh go from a "absolute being" in her eyes, to getting smacked around by a "second-rate Servant." "While drifting in the space of imaginary numbers in the Far Side of the Moon, Hakuno encounters Gilgamesh in a weakened state. Gilgamesh tells Hakuno, who was frightened by the presence of an "absolute being", that she does not have the permission to look upon, question, or speak with him."
"Gilgamesh :: …still, this isn’t good. While it was a delight to experience the dilemmas of the weak, there is a limit to it. To be pushed about from start to finish by a second-rate Servant…it’s almost disheartening."
So saying, Gilgamesh snaps his fingers. As he does so, the air ripples as if boiling, and a drinking vessel appears. There’s no mistaking it, it’s wine and a wine glass.
Gilgamesh :: What, it’s a simple story. I have manifested as Servant in the same way as the other heroic spirits. On the theme of “participate in the Holy Grail War held by the Moon Cell.” But my power was too great. What the Moon Cell wanted was not the strongest Master, but the last surviving Master. If I had been present, the result would have been decided from the beginning, so I was not allowed to enter the Holy Grail War. Therefore, I was sealed on the far side of the moon.
—-! So, he was trapped over here, just like all of us have been…!?
Gilgamesh :: Of course not. Don’t put me on your level. I walked in here myself. Not a melee of seven mages, but 128 person formal tournament? It’s laughable. In a few words…the taste of desire becomes diluted. The Near Side’s Grail War would only drive me to edge with boredom. A carefully sculpted with no betrayal, no artifice, no fruitless exertions, that does not suit my tastes. So I abandoned the Near Side. All human evils are enclosed in the darkness of the Far Side of the moon — That murky, stagnant pool is much like the primordial chaos. And it has an excellent tranquility. So I made myself a sleeping chamber, and dozed off into dreams of decadence."
Gilgamesh blames himself alone for his weakened state, but we know that the power of Servants depends on their master, and he seems to imply making a Servant contract at all would weaken him. "That’s not Gilgamesh’s responsibility. While his physical condition did degrade during his long sleep, the original cause of it is my own failings. The reason we couldn’t do anything against Lancer was because I couldn’t provide sufficient back up or direction. It was my failure as a Master. Before I get back my memories, I need to retrain myself."
Throughout the game, Hakuno and Gilgamesh both train together, along with them defeating multiple Servants in the process, until they finally find BB once more. Apparently Gilgamesh throughout his training has hit universe level since he seems to imply he can stop BB's higher dimensional universe level attack (higher dimensional since the universe they are in is in the Far Side), however he most likely would need to use Ea to defend against such an attack. "
Gilgamesh :: Until the end of the universe? How generous of you. Then will you end the universe if she refuses? It wouldn’t be very balanced otherwise, would it?
Gilgamesh turns BB’s words against her provocatively. …if that’s any indication, he’s ready to shoot down BB on the spot. Looking at me and Gilgamesh like this,
BB :: Of course I will end it. If Hakuno Kishinami does not sever her contract with Gilgamesh, I will bring down all electrical power.
She’s saying she’ll destroy the universe. The girl in black announces it, not as a bluff or a metaphor, but as if it were natural.
Gilgamesh :: — Oh? You may have gone out of control, but you’re still a managerial AI. Aren’t you unable to kill Masters?
BB :: I do not presently have the right to kill Masters, but it is possible for me to make this sector collapse. I can end all of you and myself as well if necessary. This is the worst and final measure. I am prepared for complaints from all intelligent life in the solar system. Miss Hakuno Kishinami. I will propose it again. Please sever your contract with this Servant.
Gilgamesh :: So it seems, Hakuno. What will you do? I don’t care either way.
This has gotten ridiculous. BB threatening me into cutting my contract with Gilgamesh, saying she’ll “end everything” if I don’t obey. Of course I don’t know if that’s true or not. BB has corroded the far side of the Moon Cell and consumed many Servants, but even she isn’t that powerful…I’d like to think."
Notice base Gilgamesh isn't even remotely impressed at universe busting, also notice that the universe is referred to as a sector in the Moon Cell, so a random sector in the Moon Cell is a universe. Keep in mind the sector/universe they are in is higher dimensional as well.
Now time for Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh...
Since this thread is about Gilgamesh and not BB, I will make this brief... BB has absorbed the data of many Divine Spirits, including the Earth Mother Goddess. One of her main abilities is Potnia Theron, which makes her impossible to defeat if her opponent is someone from Earth. The only way to counter this if you are from Earth is to have authority and power on her level, which forces Gilgamesh and Hakuno to re-obtain his Genesis Mystic Code, which gives him the same level of authority and power as Moon Cell fused BB.
"Ten Crowns (十の王冠, Jū no Ōkan?) is an EX rank skill. It has been said that the ten crowns indicates the ten evil kings and the seven hills indicate the abominable city of evil. It is unknown what kind of principle・authority it is, but that power's origin lies in a past that even the King of Heroes, who was supposed to be mankind's oldest, cannot reach. On a simple look, it is a Skill that turns received injuries and occurred events, that make all results as if "nothing happened". As a matter of fact, BB is invincible as long as she has this skill.
The details of Ten Crowns is later revealed under a different name. BB compiled and absorbed many goddesses from the abyss of the Moon Cell, giving her Potnia Theron: Conception of All Animals (百獣母胎ポトニア・テローン, Hyakujū BotaiPotonia Terōn?), the authority of the Earth Mother Goddess. None born of the earth can defy her authority as that would mean rebelling against the system of life itself. Her Noble Phantasm, Cursed Cutting Crater, is the maximum use of the skill."
BB also fusing with the Moon Cell's core/becoming the Moon Cell means she has the full power of the Moon Cell, the same device that has an 8D reality marble with at least two infinite sized realms in it, which goes far beyond what qualifies as an infinite sized multiverse, meaning Moon Cell BB is also at this level. Her Noble Phantasm is even stated to wipe out dimensions and reality.
"Cursed Cutting Crater (C. C. C.)
An attack on the world by BB in control of the Moon Cell.
Also called the spirit particle imaginary pit.
A world purge by means of event rewriting, making maximum use of the EX skill “Potnia Theron” BB had acquired.
The goddess who is the mother of the earth goddesses who created the earth is, in other words, the “root” that created all creation.
This Noble Phantasm is an anti-world Noble Phantasm that outputs information like an ultra-precise 3d printer and crushes the present world with the world desired by the user.
The space eroded by BB becomes imaginary space and a curse that consumes reality. CCC as the name suggests is a cursed pit that bores out reality.
In addition to scattering all objects inside on an atomic level and reconstructing them, it is capable of writing over and rewriting information of fields such as luck and coincidence.
While theoretical, it is also thought possible to distort the time axis by interfering with gravity fields and rewrite the law of cause and effect.
When used in combat, BB’s familiars, the shapeshifters engulf the target, and after turning into a sphere, is wiped out of existence along with the target and the dimension with it."
Keyword is "reality" and "dimensions." CCC can consume reality and erase dimensions, and BB used CCC in the Far Side of Angelica cage, which is higher dimensional. Calling CCC planet level because it's called "Anti World" is vastly out of context. This Noble Phantasm is the second strongest in the entire Nasuverse next to Fate/Extra CCC's version of Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish.
Gilgamesh after obtaining his Mystic Code is equal in raw power to Moon Cell BB.
"BB :: That power — It’s the same rank as mine. — How wretched.
Gilgamesh :: Indeed. A king should never show his true form, even unto his death. However, my mongrel wagered her life to bring these rites to the attention of the crown. If I do not answer her call, who will? If the malice covering this place belongs to all the world, that’s most convenient. Listen carefully, all beings. This woman is my contractor. Consider harming Hakuno Kishinami without my permission impossible from now unto eternity!"
In the battle, Gilgamesh is capable of flat out one shotting Moon Cell BB via Enuma Elish. When Gilgamesh plants his sword Ea into the ground, the mere spinning of it destroys the entire Moon Cell reality marble. The main argument against this feat is that "It's only a game cinematic" and "If he really destroyed the Moon Cell reality marble, why is it back after the attack is over?" To the first argument, I say that it isn't a mere cinematic because the mere spinning of Ea is stated to devour space-time and reality (I will post Ea and Enuma elish related statements below). To the second argument, I say that the Moon Cell's core restored its reality marble, after all, it's shown capable of doing this once Sakura takes control of the Moon Cell.
"Delete all the Moon Cell’s set rules…? Wait, could Sakura be planning to reset all Moon Cell’s “administrative functions,” including herself!?
Gilgamesh :: To sweep away this whole affair as if it were all a dream…So you will protect the Moon Cell even at the cost of your own life, no, your own soul, AI?
Sakura :: …Yes, it’s fine. If I disappear, it will stop running out of control and the corrosion will stop. All of you will be returned to the near side, and the imaginary number space will be erased from proper history, as if it never existed. Everything will go back to how it was before. I am an AI born from the Moon Cell. I’ll just being going back to the place I used to be. …Yes, everything will be set right. As soon as you open your eyes. That meeting, the time we’ve spent here, everything. So please don’t worry. It’s just the ending of a dream. Ah, but — It was a long dream. It was fun, and it made me happier than it should —
This is… Is there really no other way left to fix this? “Everything as it was before,” Sakura said. We’ll go back to before we were draw into the far side of the moon, back to the correct history where “there is no far side of the moon.” So everything that happened here will be gone. All the times we worked together on the student council. Our battles with BB and the Alter Egos, all of the many things that happened here."
Also the fact that Gilgamesh can stomp BB who became the Moon Cell itself backs up this feat.
As for Gilgamesh's sword, Ea...
"Sword of Rupture, Ea (乖離剣・エア, Kairi Ken - Ea?) is the most powerful Noble Phantasm contained in the Gate of Babylon and the pinnacle of all those used by Servants. Unlike all of his other nameless weapons that were able to be passed on to other wielders over the course of history, it is a sword only Gilgamesh possesses, a completely unique existence that can only be possessed by him, that is suited only for a ruler's use and makes him transcendent.
Borne of the winds drawn unto the revolution of the three cylinders of Ea, a spatial severence is formed by use of the Sword of Separation. Compressed and intertwined stratifications of wind become a virtual dislocation of space-time, annihilating any who would stand in opposition. Aside from holding an elimination rank "Armor Class" statistic of a sufficient magnitude to resist Purging, or enacting mutual negation via a counterattack that inflicts the same order of damage, the damage rendered cannot be defended against"
This is caused by the mere spinning of Ea's blade. As for Ea's ultimate attack, Enuma Elish...
"Performing the miracle of genesis, something that reveals creation - the beginning of everything, the attack opens an abyss capable of crushing all of creation, and the center of the storm is not calm, but rather a hole to hell itself that returns all that enters its realm to the nothingness from which it originated. The wind pressure creates a vacuum that takes all things with form, the land, the atmosphere, and the sky, into the whirling void. The tumult of genesis takes everything that was nothing more than chaos which could not form any meaning, and creates a new truth that divides and distinguishes Heaven, Sea, and Earth. Within the darkness where everything is returned to nothingness, only Ea is left to shine with brilliance like a Star of Creation amidst the destruction, the first thing illuminating the new world. The ability takes the entire world within the Reality Marble Ionioi Hetairoi, and cracks, shatters, and collapses it into the abyss like the ending of an hourglass. The entire world inside the Reality Marble would have been completely destroyed had the field not collapsed due to a lack of energy."
As you can see, some of these quotes are referencing things outside of Fate/Extra, such as Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero, as these pages are not exclusively dedicated to Extra. Fate/Extra CCC's Enuma Elish works the same way as the other incarnations of Enuma Elish from the main timelimes, only amped to a higher dimensional beyond multiversal level (as shown with what they can do to the Moon Cell reality marble and Moon Cell BB).
As for the rest of Gilgamesh's abilities, they may be added at a later time, but this respect thread is meant mainly for the power of CCC Gilgamesh.
Gilgamesh's Speed
Gilgamesh's speed in Fate/Extra is almost always interpreted incorrectly by fans. Many people claim Gilgamesh is billions of times faster than light due to him being sent to the Horsehead Nebula and coming back instantly, however Gilgamesh's true speed is beyond the concept of space-time, here is why...
BB after becoming the Moon Cell is described by Rin as having a higher dimensional existence and perspective where she can view and handle the past, present, and future at once, "Rin :: On the other hand, the laws of the recorded universe are different. The perception of the recorded universe is over many dimensions…think of it as a higher dimensional existence. From this higher dimension, the third dimension looks like a flat scroll. Er, if the three-dimensional world is a world drawn in a book, and then if you jumped inside the book and came out outside the book, something like that? And then you’re able to look down on any point in your past, present, and future from when you were inside the book, as a record — that’s the higher dimensional perspective. You get it? Under these circumstances, all time inside the book becomes equivalent. Since you can always turn to whatever time you want to. There’s no past or future. It’s the same as that. This is imaginary number space, a higher dimensional information space made from light. The far side of the moon is fundamentally operated according to the laws of the recorded universe, not the observed universe. We are foreign bodies…no, guests. Creatures of the the observed universe that have been thrown into the recorded universe. Whereas the Moon Cell’s Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. In other words, it belongs to the recorded universe. BB has become that Moon Cell. She’s obtained a higher dimensional perspective. So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously." Notice from the earlier descriptions of BB's abilities that before fusing with the Moon Cell, she placed herself in "unlimited time" so she could hack the Moon Cell. So we have base BB pre-Moon Cell already in unlimited time, and Moon Cell BB existing above it, so how can Gilgamesh keep pace with BB if he is only billions of times faster than light? Simple, he can't... Moon Cell BB stated that Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh is on her level, meaning that Gilgamesh exist beyond time just like Moon Cell BB (makes sense since he existed in the Far Side in base).
Moon Cell Hakuno also makes an interesting comment...
As for the Horsehead Nebula feat Kiara did to Gilgamesh, there are two possibilities... One, that the feat of him getting back from 1,500 light years was more than just distance, as Kiara threw Gilgamesh into conceptual space and into the Horsehead Nebula in one of the many universes in the Moon Cell (a universe was referred to as a mere sector of the Moon Cell, as shown earlier) in a different dimension from Angelica Cage (the realm where the Moon Cell's core is), and it shows a beam of light come across the screen and he is back instantly. People assume Kiara threw him from Earth to the Horsehead Nebula, making him MFTL, but they were in the higher dimensional Angelica Cage (nowhere near Earth or the universe in general in the Moon Cell), meaning Kiara threw him across dimensions into a random universe in the Moon Cell. Possibility number two is that Kiara threw Gilgamesh OUTSIDE of the Moon Cell's reality marble entirely into the real universe, and since the Moon Cell physically exist in our solar system, people use the standard billions of times faster than light calc, but think about it... Gilgamesh got thrown out of a beyond infinite multiversal in size, higher dimensional virtual reality marble into the real universe into the Horsehead Nebula, and came back into one of the deepest realms of the Moon Cell's reality marble in the blink of an eye; that requires way beyond MFTL speeds. Regardless, the fact he is stated to be on the same level as Moon Cell BB and kept pace with her proves he's faster than the concept of time itself.
Stat Summary
So in the end, I'll lay down the quick stats summary of Fate/Extra's Gilgamesh
Base Gilgamesh post-training/regained his lost power
Power: Universal to possibly 5-D or 7-D (BB's universal attack was not just going to destroy a universe, but a universe in a higher dimension/the Far Side, while Gilgamesh didn't seem concerned or impressed).
Speed: Possibly infinite (exist in the Far Side and seemed ready to challenge base BB, who put herself in unlimited time).
Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh
Power: Possibly Infinite multiversal level to two infinite multiverses (counting the Infinite Chimeric Lunar Sea); most likely far far higher as he is 8-D since he scales to Moon Cell BB (depends on how you want to view higher dimensions in the Nasuverse).
Speed: Beyond the concept of time (is on the same level of existence as Moon Cell BB, who can view and handle the past, present, and future at once like a book).
Extra Facts
The other Servants such as Nero (Saber), Shirou (Archer), and Tamamo (Caster) reach beyond multiversal levels of power once they obtain their Mystic Code as well, as they are on the level of Moon Cell BB (although far inferior to Gilgamesh due to his many powerful abilities and Noble Phantasms).
Fate/Extra's version of Arcueid Brunestud from Tsukihime is implied to be able to defeat (or at least put up fight) against Moon Cell BB in base/no Archetype Earth. "Well even with that being said, if Berserker regained her sanity, she would easily be considered a cheat-tier Servant. Her power, “The stage is the Moon, so all targets have their power reduced to a sixth of their usual.” would be extremely useful against other similar cheat-tier Servants.
It’s a conceptual numerical alteration, so it is unavoidable when on the Moon. Even the Moon Cell transformed version of BB would be limited by it." She is being compared to cheat-tier Servants in base, which is what both Moon Cell BB and Gilgamesh are referred to as. If Arcueid entered her Archetype Earth state, she should be able to easily dispatch Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh and Moon Cell BB
CCC Gilgamesh power was stated to be immeasurable.
Gilgamesh completely stomps all of fiction, let's go over what he has:
- Origin Mystic Code which allows him to raise his stats to whatever he wants at will.
- Gate of Babylon which allows him to access an unlimited amounts of noble phantasms/weapons with conceptual abilities at once and simultaneously fire them at you at speeds surpassing the very concept of time. This alone allows him to hit infinitely above his own weight class. Gilgamesh literally has a noble phantasm that makes dying impossible for him.
-His transcendental nature that allows him to freely move between higher and lower realities at will which is infinitely better than being able to transcend dimensions. Think of Steve from Minecraft walking into your living room, out of your computer, and flying off to Alpha Centari and that's basically what Gilgamesh can do but on a infinite scale.
-Enkidu's chains absolutely binds any target with a trace of divinity, no matter their own strength. They cannot escape the chains with any ability and that includes reality warping and conceptual manipulation, making them effectively stuck until the chains either disappear or no longer receive mana from a source.
- Ea erases targets from reality upon contact on a fundamental level, surpassing aristocratic and platonic concepts. It's described as being an "anti-purge attack that cannot be defend against at all." It is basically the act of genesis (the creation of all-things) placed in a stick, making its true capabilities unlimited in terms of destruction and creation.
-Unsuppressed Shaq Naqba Imuru makes him omniscient, the embodiment of his mentality "spread across all corners of the world as if the brilliance of the stars, seeing through all creation."
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@tagsorwhatever: I love how you call CCC Gilgamesh fodders and yet I just gave clear and solid proof that he solos everyone here. kek
so what if it's fan translated? it's still enough to solo.
1-A instant Death would end Gilgamesh in an instant
You didn't read my original post did you? the amount of higher dimension power CCC Gilgamesh has is immeasurable in base. so that already a above immeasurable amount of D's. he one shot'd an omnipotent multiverse. and statue'd an omnipresent character. in addition to temporarily about to access a omnipotent state AND having access to the source of all concepts. remember that every thing in Moon Cell is conceptual. so even fodder characters in there are about as strong as cosmic armor superman.
Nah after we got the official guide for Jojo part 7 its very safe to assume Johnny with Infinite Rotation solo Gilgamesh since it transcends dimensions making the infinite Rotation boundless free from any dimensional restrictions GG
CCC Gilgamesh solos.
As for hax... Gilgamesh overpowered and overrode the very device that created him and originally had authority over him, and one shotted beings fused with said device. He also contains every physical Noble Phantasm and every item ever made in human history:
Gilgamesh is renowned for having collected all the treasures in the world in his lifetime, amassing a perfect treasury that lacked nothing.[6] As there was nothing he was unable to collect, Gilgamesh was a collector of treasures, whose favorite phrase, "I collected all the treasures of the earth", is not a metaphor.[6][19] As anything can be found within the vault, the amount of wealth within exceeds even his own knowledge; it is said that its inventory of treasure continues to increase even now.[4][30][31] He collected and stored away samples of all the technology that was developed during his age. The desires of ancient humans were similar to those of the current age, so their technology, bolstered by the powerful magic of his era, was not inferior to that of the modern age. The "Instruments of Hope" that people dreamed of were all realized, and because every single case was requisitioned by the King's hand, his collection is even furnished with airplanes and submarines.[19]
It also contains all of the original bases for all intellectual properties produced by mankind that originated in his kingdom, making board games and the works of the Library of Alexandria no more than imitations.[32] It is still sought out by some magi, believed to hold all things in the world and enshrine every possible magical artifact.[28] That within are not merely riches, but his collection is the very "origin of human wisdom."[19] It is the proof of human wisdom and human ingenuity.[4] That which is missing from the vault would be items produced with completely new concepts by a new human race and items produced with extraterrestrial intelligence and technology.[19] He is the original hero, so all heroes of various myths are derived from his legend. It may be a paradox, but he, as the original, must possess that which can be handed down as the Noble Phantasms possessed by those later heroes for they are derived from him for that very reason.[19] These weapons are technically nameless, the original Prototypes of the Noble Phantasms (すべての宝具の原型, Subete no Hōgu no Genkei?) and the common points before they became objects of faith that act as the foundations for their legends.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gate_of_Babylon#Contents
It says that he does not know of all the items in his Gate of Babylon, and that he is incapable of using the specific functions on Noble Phantasms, but this can be changed with Gilgamesh's ability called SNI, which practically grants him nigh to full omniscience:
Sha Naqba Imuru (He who Saw the Deep): The Omniscient Omnipotent Star (全知なるや全能の星シャ・ナクパ・イルム, Zenchinaru ya Zen'nō no HoshiSha Nakupa Irumu?) is the mentality of Gilgamesh sublimated into a Noble Phantasm, said to have "spread across all corners of the world as if the brilliance of the stars, seeing through all creation." It is a "continuously active-type Noble Phantasm" that does not require its name to be invoked, but it is assumed that Gilgamesh keeps it intentionally restrained. Possessing tremendous efficiency, it can discern heavily concealed truths with a single glance, from that of the opponent's True Name and Noble Phantasms to possibly even seeing through a piece of the truth of the demise of human history in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order.[1] Upon releasing its True Name, it will work as a form of "instruction" for him to guide others with the most optimal tactics, simultaneously increasing the attack power and defense power of his whole team near his position.[2]
Gilgamesh is a clairvoyance user with a "sense of 'sight' several levels above the ordinary."[3][4] When facing him in a game like chess, he claims that even someone making advanced predictions and reading the flow of the game will have already lost at that moment. He does not read the future of the chess board, but instead gazes down upon and oversees it, allowing the correct move to always be visible to him. Even in something like a card game, the very minimum requirement to play against him on equal terms would be to draw the precise hand required.[3] He can also see the possibilities of various parallel worlds should he so chooses, but, as a Heroic Spirit, the Throne of Heroes normally adjusts his memories and knowledge to the world in which he is summoned in to keep him from being confused by multiple sets of memories. Even with this ability, his personality would cause him to reject certain world lines as nonsense, such as using clairvoyance to see something like a possibility of a world where he is swallowed by the mud of the grail.[4]
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Sha_Naqba_Imuru
Now while Gilgamesh's arrogance sometimes makes him ignore SNI, you sre unfortunately using CCC Gilgamesh, who is much more serious. With this ability, he can see every correct move to make, how to use every specific Noble Phantasm in his Gate (as evident with him instantly finding out how everyone else's Noble Phantasms work instantly), and should be able to know everything that is in his Gate. As we see Gilgamesh pull out highly specific weapons from his Gate that fit the situation perfectly, which is clearly due to SNI:
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Gilgamesh can also go from being a lackluster swordsman to the best in the entire Nasuverse with SNI; as he was capable of trading blows with Moon Cell BB (a nigh-omniscient advanced Moon Cell AI that has the memory and data of all the best warriors in Gaia's history) in close quarters combat:
As for what Gilgamesh can pull from the Gate to kill Reinhard with... He has weapons that can instill the concept of death into something:
Black Barrel (ブラックバレル, Burakku Bareru?), also called Longinus, which he excavated from the sealed region of Atlasia. It is gun that is a "Conceptual Weapon of natural life-span", capable of imposing the notion of limited life-span into the body of near-immortal creatures.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_God#Abilities
Barrel Replica (バレルレプリカ, Bareru Repurika?), a Mystic Code that is a replica of the Black Barrel, with the apperance of a CZ 75.[2] Described to look like a CZ 75 handgun, it is a Conceptual Weapon of "natural lifespan" that puts out a toxin, attack power, in proportion to that life form's natural life span
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Sion_Eltnam_Atlasia#Abilities
"Near-immortal" seems to be a wiki mistranslation, as we see the Barrel Replica kill an immortal being and beings without the concept of death (considered to be above immortality).
Ultimate Ones (原初の一アルテミット・ワン, Gensho no IchiArutemitto Wan?, lit. Primordial One (Ultimate One)), also known as Aristoteles (アリストテレス, Arisutoteresu?) by the humans of the Land of Steel or Types (タイプ, Taipu?), are the eight ultimate lifeforms from other heavenly bodies, embodying the will of the planets themselves.
Ultimate Ones are the ultimate beings from other planets, differing significantly from both creatures of Earth and each other biologically and in appearance. They do not have the same sense of self as humans, nor do they have the concepts of damage or death.
Type Venus is "killed" by Gun God,
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Ultimate_One
Fragarach: Gouging Sword of the War God (斬り抉る戦神の剣フラガラック, Kiri Eguru Senjin no KenFuragarakku?), also called Answerer: That Which Comes Later Cuts First (後より出でて先に断つものアンサラー, Ato yori Idete Saki ni Tatsu monoAnsarā?) and The Retaliator, is a Noble Phantasm and Mystic Code with the ultimate form of counterattack. It is the "Sword of Retrograde" and an indefeasible weapon of the gods, divinely protected by some malicious will, that works by using a conceptual curse to warp destiny and a divine trick that uses time as its blade. It warps causality to always strike the opponent in the heart with a needle thin concentrated blast right before they unleash their ultimate attack. The condition for its use is that the opponent must use their strongest attack, and Fragarach must be used directly after the enemy's strike. It would normally be that Fragarach would kill the enemy, and the opponent's attack would also simultaneously destroy Bazett.
Despite being released afterwards and no matter how fast the opposing attack is cast, Fragarach always strikes first by changing the flow of time to rewrite events so that it makes its own strike against the enemy before the opposing move was ever made in the course of the world. Rather than just rewriting events to gouge out the heart of the enemy, it is severing the fate of the combatants, reversing and changing the flow of destiny of both the user and the enemy simultaneously killing each other with their attacks. The attack of the enemy, returned to a point where it "couldn't happen" due to the user being struck down by Fragarach, is wiped out by the laws of the world and the absolute system of time. No matter the power or speed of the ability, it is impossible to use if the enemy is defeated and has all of their later actions voided before they even have a chance to attack. It is an ability using one's life as bait to counter a one-turn-kill to win the battle that both kills the enemy and nullifies their attack, creating a perfect balance between offensive and defensive capabilities.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Fragarach
Gilgamesh can also return the favor in kind with his own spear, Gae Bolg:
Gáe Bolg: Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death (刺し穿つ死棘の槍ゲイ・ボルク, Sashi Ugatsu Shitoge no YariGei Boruku?, also translated as Spear of Impaling Barbed Death) is an attack focused on a single target, created by Lancer to suit his own style, that strikes a fatal blow that always pierces the opponent's heart and ruins their body from within with its thousand iron thorns. It literally freezes the mana in the air, and it can easily be perceived as a sure-kill technique by all those around simply from being charged with magical energy. Once Gáe Bolg's name has been called, the cursed spear reverses the nature of causality, the meaning of "cause and effect" in the order of things, to make it so the cause of the "lance being thrust" comes from the effect of the "opponent's heart being pierced" by it. It determines the opponent's fate simply through its use, an always fatal move that pierces the heart with one thrust. It is also possible for him to activate it without actively striking the heart.[6] It is an attack on destiny itself, and while not a surprising fact due to its wielder's demi-god heritage, it is a top-notch power even with its seeming limitations in power due to being a step away from the Authority of the Gods.[7]
The actual action of the thrust is merely a formality, as the lance has already pierced the opponent's heart before the attack has even started. The "result" of "the heart of the opponent has been pierced" is created earlier than it is thrust, while the "cause" that "the lance has pierced through the heart" is generated later. Aside from great luck, it is a technique that determines "if it is released, the opponent is dead."
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/G%C3%A1e_Bolg#Barbed_Spear_that_Pierces_with_Death
Gilgamesh can also bind Reinhard with Enkidu, The Chains of Heaven, which increases the strength of the chains based on the opponents divinity, and scales its strength to their divinity:
Enkidu: Chains of Heaven (天の鎖エルキドゥ, Ten no KusariErukidu?) is the Noble Phantasm most trusted by Gilgamesh, even more so than Ea, and the "greatest secret" stored in the Gate of Babylon. It is a chain named after his closest friend, made to bind the gods so they cannot escape, making it one of the few Anti-Divine weapons that holds the concept of "reigning over the gods." The strength and durability of the chain grows stronger with the target having higher Divinity, but is no more than a tough chain to a target without Divinity like Saber, Assassin, or Archer. When used against a regular human like Shirou Emiya, he feels he has no chance of prying it off of him. Divine targets are completely held in place, allowing him to bind the "Bull of Heaven" that brought seven years of famine in Uruk. It does have some sort of limit, as even he is able to tell that the chain is not enough to completely bind the demi-god Heracles strengthened by Mad Enhancement.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Enkidu_(Noble_Phantasm)
It should be noted that Heracles only broke the chains because he has an ability to adapt to anything.
Gilgamesh can also fire all of the Noble Phantasms in his Gate like a rain of bullets, each with their own special ability:
While it is possible to block many of the strikes, to do so without knowing the abilities of the weapons can be seen as suicidal.[8] He will generally fight at long range while shooting projectiles from behind him directly at the opponent, but he can also freely move with the portals also moving with him.[12] He can freely deploy the portals mid-air while piloting Vimana as well.[20] When fighting at extremely close range, he shows the ability to loose weapons from above, below, and to the side of the opponent.[21] He can also summon weapons completely around the target for a full 360 degree barrage that should generally leave not even a single trace of flesh from the opponent.[16] When closed upon by a target, or simply to play with the opponent, he can freely draw weapons into his hands for melee combat.[6][22] The ability to handle them depends upon the user's capability.[3] Gilgamesh makes use of the many unknown abilities of the weapons, and constantly switches them to keep his opponent off-guard.[6]
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gate_of_Babylon#Contents
Here's him actually using it in such a fashion:
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So Reinhard will also have to deal with countless of weapons being shot at him, with each weapon carrying some sort of effect/ability/hax. All of this, but with a full power multiversal Gilgamesh from the Extraverse timelines, who has speed that can match omnipresence. lmao
Since Gilgamesh literally has every item from Earth (which makes up 99.9% of the Nasuverse's known items), it is borderline impossible and pointless to list them all here. I only listed the ones I think will let him win easily. Gilgamesh is honestly better off being pitted against Umineko due to his hax.
Oh, and Enuma Elish isn't even remotely needed here; thus I did not mention it.
Tagging acquaintances who may want to argue for Rein, or who may just be interested to see this:
Biography
Gilgamesh, the great half-god, half-human king born from the union between the King of Uruk, Lugalbanda, and goddess Rimat-Ninsun. He ruled the Sumerian city-state of Uruk, the capital city of ancient Mesopotamia in the B.C. era. He was an ultimate, transcendent being so divine as to be two-thirds god and one-third human, and no others in the world could match him. He was a despot possessing high divinity who believed he was invincible. He is not merely a legend, and is said to have actually existed and ruled during the Sumer Dynasty five thousand years ago. He was the King of Heroes (英雄王, Eiyū-Ō?) who possessed all things in the world, whose tale is recorded in mankind's oldest epic poem, the Epic of Gilgamesh which portrays Gilgamesh as a hero, destined to be king and achieve great feats, who is driven to meet his destiny, facing challenges together with his best friend Enkidu.
His title, King of Heroes, is not meant to call him a king who is a hero, but instead implies that he is the king over all heroes. He is mankind's oldest hero, the origin of all myths and model on which heroes are based, so his story is copied within the mythologies of all the countries of the world. The heroes of various myths are derived from his legend, so his Gate of Babylon possesses all of their Noble Phantasms. Though there are numerous kings with titles such as the King of Knights or the King of Conquerors, he is the only one in all of heaven and earth crowned with the title of "King of All Heroes."
In the world of Fate/Extra, Gilgamesh is encountered by Hakuno Kishanami, a master in the Moon Cell Holy Grail War whom he decides to make a Servant contract with. Normally, it should be impossible for anyone to contact Gilgamesh in the Moon Cell, as he exist in the higher dimensional Far Side/Garden of The Fallen, where no ordinary being should be able to exist, however due to BB's reconstruction of the Far Side, it was made accessible to by ordinary beings.
Gilgamesh and Hakuno proceed on a long journey with many battles to stop the rampant A.I BB, who seeks to take control of the Moon Cell.
Terminology
We will go over basic terminology of the Nasuverse, just in case anyone is not too knowledgeable.
- Nasuverse: A name given by fans that refers to almost the entirety of all works created by Kinoko Nasu. Almost all of his works such as Mahoutsukai no Yoru, Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Extra, and more exist within the same universe (with a few exceptions).
- Reality Marble: The concept of a Reality Marble (固有結界, Koyū Kekkai?, Innate Bounded Field) is one that centers around the materialization and projection of one's inner world onto reality following the Thaumaturgical Theory World Egg (世界卵, Sekai Tamago?). Originally, it was an ability that daemons have as their Alien Common Sense (異界常識, Ikai Jōshiki?), but some people such as The Twenty-seven Dead Apostle Ancestors and the greatest of magi have made this ability available to use through a long time. The created worlds are completely cut off from normal reality, projecting their internal landscape and sealing off the regular World. Following the World Egg theory, the actualization of a Reality Marble is the result of switching the Self and the World while keeping the boundary the same. The size of the Self and the World is switched, enclosing the World in a small container while the Self is expanded. The contained World is the World Egg and the name of the theory. They will encase anyone within range, causing them to disappear from view.
So far, the biggest reality marble in the Nasuverse is the Moon Cell's, being far beyond what is classified as an infinite multiverse.
- Noble Phantasm: Noble Phantasms (ノウブル・ファンタズム, Nouburu Fantazumu?), in Japanese literary called Precious Tools (宝具, Hōgu?) are "crystallized mysteries", powerful armaments made using the imagination of humans as their core, and weapons or abilities owned by Heroic Spirits. They are the embodiment of the ultimate mysteries of a hero that symbolizes one's existence through historical facts and anecdotes. They can be physical weapons, such as swords, lances, and bows, or support items, such as rings and crowns. They can also be abstract concepts, like unique abilities, unique means of attacks, curses, and changes to the environment and its physical properties. When summoned as Servants in the Holy Grail War, they are the trump cards of the heroes that allow them to overcome others in battle.
Due to Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon and being the King of Heroes, he possesses every Noble Phantasm in history with very few exceptions, such as Hercules's God Hand.
- Holy Grail: In Fate/Extra, the Holy Grail is actually what masters refer to as the Moon Cell or the Moon Cell's core, which can be used in a similar way to the original Holy Grail (although on a much higher level). The victor of the Holy Grail War has the privilege of entering the Moon Cell's core to grant a single wish, just like the original Holy Grail.
Cosmology
Nasuverse cosmology is quite unique, with planets being reality marbles themselves, the Throne of Heroes outside of space-time, ect; for this thread however, we will only be focusing on the higher dimensions of the Nasuverse and the Moon Cell's cosmology.
Higher dimensions in the Nasuverse are not talked about much, as most Nasuverse characters are planetary or lower in terms of power, however there is a little bit of information that seems to show (or at least heavily imply) that higher dimensions in the Nasuverse are completely superior to lower. I would like to also state that we are NOT using VSBattles dimensional tiering.
The first bit of information that seems to show higher dimensions are absolutely superior to lower is Saber/Arturia's Avalon, "Its function as a Noble Phantasm is an "absolute defense" that completely shields its user in the domain of the fairies, Avalon, the unreachable utopia that King Arthur dreamt of and was said to have gone to after her death. It is the greatest protection in the world that goes beyond defending or reflecting, completely isolating its user in a world completely separate from the regular world. The scabbard dissipates into countless tiny particles in the air and engulfs the user to become a "portable fortress" that shuts out all interference. It is the Bounded Field of the tranquil domain of fairies that keeps out all filth from the outside world, and allows nothing to harm the tranquil King that stands in the land of Avalon. The individual is shielded from all destructive interference in the physical realm, transliners from parallel worlds, and multidimensional communication as far as the sixth dimension. It is on the level of true magic, an actual true magic in itself, that transcends all magecraft, and not even the Five Magics can overcome the barrier" So based off this, Avalon seems to be a solid 6-D defensive Noble Phantasm. The only possible Noble Phantasm (that isn't from Fate/Extra) that can damage Avalon, is a full powered Enuma Elish from Gilgamesh, as it isn't simply an attack, but conceptually returns all to nothingness at full power (Saber's Avalon only blocked a casual Enuma Elish from an arrogant Gilgamesh in Fate/Stay Night).
Now onto Fate/Extra and the Moon Cell, which is far above even Avalon...
The Moon Cell is an object in Earth's solar system that simply observes the Earth. Despite it being a relatively small object in the solar system, with it's reality warping powers, the Moon Cell can create a virtual reality marble way beyond the size of a multiverse within its domain, despite its small physical size in the real world.
The Moon Cell's Far Side is anywhere from 5-D (stated to be higher dimensional, meaning above 4-D) to 7-D (it's description and properties seem far more impressive than Avalon's). "There also exists the Far Side of the Moon (月の裏側, Tsuki no Uragawa?), an imaginary space known as the trash bin that is used for storing malicious information and imaginary numbers. Sealed off as "Not For Use" information, it is a higher dimension where the light within the photon crystals is jumbled. It is the “exterior of the world”, and can be called the "Garden of the Fallen" built from imaginary numbers in contrast to the Near Side being a cell where the "light of heavenly fire" is imprisoned. Due to his power, Gilgamesh is not allowed to appear on the Near Side of the Moon, so he sleeps in the Far Side instead. Nothing else should be able to exist there because it is the territory of nil, and intelligent life forms should not be allowed or be able to exist there. It is not within normal time, allowing for a series of communications over eighteen days from Earth to take less than a microsecond within the timeframe of the Moon Cell."
As you can see, Gilgamesh in the world of Fate/Extra is so powerful that he exist in a higher dimensional void that is possibly above Avalon in his base form.
As for how ordinary beings begin to safely enter the Far Side... "Due to BB surfacing and gaining power as an Advanced A.I., she begins an extensive reconstruction and periods of resetting to work towards her goals. This allows for someone to contact Gilgamesh even when it should be impossible. The end result of her work is Cursed Cutting Crater, a real space in the present, past, and future. Establishing it as a "place", even Masters can exist there. It is not possible to hack the Moon Cell however much time is spent, but she is able to take control of it by placing herself in “unlimited time” through the power of the primordial goddesses she has taken into herself"
The Moon Cell has at least eight confirmed dimensions, as the barrier around the Moon Cell's core cuts through eight dimensions, and was only bypassed by BB's hacking abilities. "BB :: However…The Moon Cell is, you might say impudent, or that its defenses are flawless. Even though I managed to pass through the imaginary number space at the speed of light, a huge wall now stands before our devilish heroine BB-chan! It’s a perfectly spherical spirit particle defense wall that cuts through eight dimensions. It looks like it’ll be very hard to break down this wall. But this is the last move. After I break this wall into little pieces I’ll have reached my goal. So I’ve left all of you in Meltlilith’s care." So we know that the Moon Cell has eight dimensions considering one of its barriers cuts through that many dimensions. I do believe (despite no confirmed limit) that the Moon Cell caps out at eight dimensions, as the barrier BB is getting past is the final barrier before reaching the Moon Cell's core, meaning said barrier should logically be made with the Moon Cell's maximum power to prevent anyone from accessing its core.
However there is more to the Moon Cell's cosmology than just dimensions... Now to what actually exist within it's reality marble...
The Moon Cell containsinfinitefutures of the Earth somewhere in the Far Side; this alone should qualify as an infinite multiverse of some sort. You may say "but these are just infinite possibilities/futures of a planet, while a multiverse contains infinite universes", but keep in mind that ANYTHING of infinite size should be comparable to an infinite multiverse, not to mention these possible futures are stored in presumably, the higher dimensional Far Side, meaning you would need a being on that level to damage/destroy it (as we saw with Avalon blocking out anything up to the sixth dimension). You may also say "But they are POSSIBLE futures, meaning they don't exist", however the Moon Cell simulates and stores all of these possibilities, meaning they exist to some extent within the Moon Cell, "Rani :: The Holy Grail is an observational device that simulates the future of the Earth, and stores those records continuously, at regular intervals. It has been doing so since the beginning of human history. Though it is supposed, an infinity of futures are recorded here in the moon. To obtain the Moon Cell means to be able to search out the future you wish for from among all of those, and put it into effect." We learn from the above links from Twice that the possible futures are indeed infinite.
There is one possible infinite sized area in the Near Side of the Moon Cell (the lower dimensional areas where the Holy Grail War takes place) called the Infinite Chimeric Lunar Sea. It is the last floor of the Chimeric Lunar Sea with an unknown size. The playable area is limited in size, but that is because of the barriers that prevent the player from going further out. Despite being a name, Kinoko Nasu never tends to name things randomly for no reason, so I believe it to be infinite. Since this is my Respect Thread, I will be counting this realm as infinite, however if a name alone isn't enough for you, feel free to discard it in debates.
The Moon Cell is also capable of effecting the outside world.
The Power of Fate/Extra's Gilgamesh
Before we get to the main event, I'd like to state that Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra CCC have nothing to do with the main timelines of the Nasuverse and has an entirely different set of power levels for it's incarnation of all of these characters. The power of Fate/Stay Night Gilgamesh has nothing to do with Gilgamesh from Fate/Extra CCC. The timelines from Fate/Extra to other timelines are too different to powerscale from. I would also like to state that we are NOT using Fate/Extella, as despite being similar to Fate/Extra, has way too many different powerscaling contradictions, motives, backstory, and overall lore. The Moon Cell bestowing a regalia to Hakuno in Extella despite planning to delete her in Extra, and the fact that Extra and CCC's endings all make Extella impossible to happen is enough to prove that they are incompatible. I could go into many more reasons, but now is not the time.
Now onto the main event...
As we know, Gilgamesh in his base form (pre-Genesis Mystic Code) was able to live in a 5-D to possibly 7-D realm. Gilgamesh became much weaker during the beginning of Fate/Extra CCC however, partly due to his long sleep in the Far Side, but almost entirely due to making a contract with an incompetent master that had lost all of her memories. The Servant contract with Hakuno Kishinami made Gilgamesh go from a "absolute being" in her eyes, to getting smacked around by a "second-rate Servant." "While drifting in the space of imaginary numbers in the Far Side of the Moon, Hakuno encounters Gilgamesh in a weakened state. Gilgamesh tells Hakuno, who was frightened by the presence of an "absolute being", that she does not have the permission to look upon, question, or speak with him."
"Gilgamesh :: …still, this isn’t good. While it was a delight to experience the dilemmas of the weak, there is a limit to it. To be pushed about from start to finish by a second-rate Servant…it’s almost disheartening."
So saying, Gilgamesh snaps his fingers. As he does so, the air ripples as if boiling, and a drinking vessel appears. There’s no mistaking it, it’s wine and a wine glass.
Gilgamesh :: What, it’s a simple story. I have manifested as Servant in the same way as the other heroic spirits. On the theme of “participate in the Holy Grail War held by the Moon Cell.” But my power was too great. What the Moon Cell wanted was not the strongest Master, but the last surviving Master. If I had been present, the result would have been decided from the beginning, so I was not allowed to enter the Holy Grail War. Therefore, I was sealed on the far side of the moon.
—-! So, he was trapped over here, just like all of us have been…!?
Gilgamesh :: Of course not. Don’t put me on your level. I walked in here myself. Not a melee of seven mages, but 128 person formal tournament? It’s laughable. In a few words…the taste of desire becomes diluted. The Near Side’s Grail War would only drive me to edge with boredom. A carefully sculpted with no betrayal, no artifice, no fruitless exertions, that does not suit my tastes. So I abandoned the Near Side. All human evils are enclosed in the darkness of the Far Side of the moon — That murky, stagnant pool is much like the primordial chaos. And it has an excellent tranquility. So I made myself a sleeping chamber, and dozed off into dreams of decadence."
Gilgamesh blames himself alone for his weakened state, but we know that the power of Servants depends on their master, and he seems to imply making a Servant contract at all would weaken him. "That’s not Gilgamesh’s responsibility. While his physical condition did degrade during his long sleep, the original cause of it is my own failings. The reason we couldn’t do anything against Lancer was because I couldn’t provide sufficient back up or direction. It was my failure as a Master. Before I get back my memories, I need to retrain myself."
Throughout the game, Hakuno and Gilgamesh both train together, along with them defeating multiple Servants in the process, until they finally find BB once more. Apparently Gilgamesh throughout his training has hit universe level since he seems to imply he can stop BB's higher dimensional universe level attack (higher dimensional since the universe they are in is in the Far Side), however he most likely would need to use Ea to defend against such an attack. "
Gilgamesh :: Until the end of the universe? How generous of you. Then will you end the universe if she refuses? It wouldn’t be very balanced otherwise, would it?
Gilgamesh turns BB’s words against her provocatively. …if that’s any indication, he’s ready to shoot down BB on the spot. Looking at me and Gilgamesh like this,
BB :: Of course I will end it. If Hakuno Kishinami does not sever her contract with Gilgamesh, I will bring down all electrical power.
She’s saying she’ll destroy the universe. The girl in black announces it, not as a bluff or a metaphor, but as if it were natural.
Gilgamesh :: — Oh? You may have gone out of control, but you’re still a managerial AI. Aren’t you unable to kill Masters?
BB :: I do not presently have the right to kill Masters, but it is possible for me to make this sector collapse. I can end all of you and myself as well if necessary. This is the worst and final measure. I am prepared for complaints from all intelligent life in the solar system. Miss Hakuno Kishinami. I will propose it again. Please sever your contract with this Servant.
Gilgamesh :: So it seems, Hakuno. What will you do? I don’t care either way.
This has gotten ridiculous. BB threatening me into cutting my contract with Gilgamesh, saying she’ll “end everything” if I don’t obey. Of course I don’t know if that’s true or not. BB has corroded the far side of the Moon Cell and consumed many Servants, but even she isn’t that powerful…I’d like to think."
Notice base Gilgamesh isn't even remotely impressed at universe busting, also notice that the universe is referred to as a sector in the Moon Cell, so a random sector in the Moon Cell is a universe. Keep in mind the sector/universe they are in is higher dimensional as well.
Now time for Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh...
Since this thread is about Gilgamesh and not BB, I will make this brief... BB has absorbed the data of many Divine Spirits, including the Earth Mother Goddess. One of her main abilities is Potnia Theron, which makes her impossible to defeat if her opponent is someone from Earth. The only way to counter this if you are from Earth is to have authority and power on her level, which forces Gilgamesh and Hakuno to re-obtain his Genesis Mystic Code, which gives him the same level of authority and power as Moon Cell fused BB.
"Ten Crowns (十の王冠, Jū no Ōkan?) is an EX rank skill. It has been said that the ten crowns indicates the ten evil kings and the seven hills indicate the abominable city of evil. It is unknown what kind of principle・authority it is, but that power's origin lies in a past that even the King of Heroes, who was supposed to be mankind's oldest, cannot reach. On a simple look, it is a Skill that turns received injuries and occurred events, that make all results as if "nothing happened". As a matter of fact, BB is invincible as long as she has this skill.
The details of Ten Crowns is later revealed under a different name. BB compiled and absorbed many goddesses from the abyss of the Moon Cell, giving her Potnia Theron: Conception of All Animals (百獣母胎ポトニア・テローン, Hyakujū BotaiPotonia Terōn?), the authority of the Earth Mother Goddess. None born of the earth can defy her authority as that would mean rebelling against the system of life itself. Her Noble Phantasm, Cursed Cutting Crater, is the maximum use of the skill."
BB also fusing with the Moon Cell's core/becoming the Moon Cell means she has the full power of the Moon Cell, the same device that has an 8D reality marble with at least two infinite sized realms in it, which goes far beyond what qualifies as an infinite sized multiverse, meaning Moon Cell BB is also at this level. Her Noble Phantasm is even stated to wipe out dimensions and reality.
"Cursed Cutting Crater (C. C. C.)
An attack on the world by BB in control of the Moon Cell.
Also called the spirit particle imaginary pit.
A world purge by means of event rewriting, making maximum use of the EX skill “Potnia Theron” BB had acquired.
The goddess who is the mother of the earth goddesses who created the earth is, in other words, the “root” that created all creation.
This Noble Phantasm is an anti-world Noble Phantasm that outputs information like an ultra-precise 3d printer and crushes the present world with the world desired by the user.
The space eroded by BB becomes imaginary space and a curse that consumes reality. CCC as the name suggests is a cursed pit that bores out reality.
In addition to scattering all objects inside on an atomic level and reconstructing them, it is capable of writing over and rewriting information of fields such as luck and coincidence.
While theoretical, it is also thought possible to distort the time axis by interfering with gravity fields and rewrite the law of cause and effect.
When used in combat, BB’s familiars, the shapeshifters engulf the target, and after turning into a sphere, is wiped out of existence along with the target and the dimension with it."
Keyword is "reality" and "dimensions." CCC can consume reality and erase dimensions, and BB used CCC in the Far Side of Angelica cage, which is higher dimensional. Calling CCC planet level because it's called "Anti World" is vastly out of context. This Noble Phantasm is the second strongest in the entire Nasuverse next to Fate/Extra CCC's version of Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish.
Gilgamesh after obtaining his Mystic Code is equal in raw power to Moon Cell BB.
"BB :: That power — It’s the same rank as mine. — How wretched.
Gilgamesh :: Indeed. A king should never show his true form, even unto his death. However, my mongrel wagered her life to bring these rites to the attention of the crown. If I do not answer her call, who will? If the malice covering this place belongs to all the world, that’s most convenient. Listen carefully, all beings. This woman is my contractor. Consider harming Hakuno Kishinami without my permission impossible from now unto eternity!"
In the battle, Gilgamesh is capable of flat out one shotting Moon Cell BB via Enuma Elish. When Gilgamesh plants his sword Ea into the ground, the mere spinning of it destroys the entire Moon Cell reality marble. The main argument against this feat is that "It's only a game cinematic" and "If he really destroyed the Moon Cell reality marble, why is it back after the attack is over?" To the first argument, I say that it isn't a mere cinematic because the mere spinning of Ea is stated to devour space-time and reality (I will post Ea and Enuma elish related statements below). To the second argument, I say that the Moon Cell's core restored its reality marble, after all, it's shown capable of doing this once Sakura takes control of the Moon Cell.
"Delete all the Moon Cell’s set rules…? Wait, could Sakura be planning to reset all Moon Cell’s “administrative functions,” including herself!?
Gilgamesh :: To sweep away this whole affair as if it were all a dream…So you will protect the Moon Cell even at the cost of your own life, no, your own soul, AI?
Sakura :: …Yes, it’s fine. If I disappear, it will stop running out of control and the corrosion will stop. All of you will be returned to the near side, and the imaginary number space will be erased from proper history, as if it never existed. Everything will go back to how it was before. I am an AI born from the Moon Cell. I’ll just being going back to the place I used to be. …Yes, everything will be set right. As soon as you open your eyes. That meeting, the time we’ve spent here, everything. So please don’t worry. It’s just the ending of a dream. Ah, but — It was a long dream. It was fun, and it made me happier than it should —
This is… Is there really no other way left to fix this? “Everything as it was before,” Sakura said. We’ll go back to before we were draw into the far side of the moon, back to the correct history where “there is no far side of the moon.” So everything that happened here will be gone. All the times we worked together on the student council. Our battles with BB and the Alter Egos, all of the many things that happened here."
Also the fact that Gilgamesh can stomp BB who became the Moon Cell itself backs up this feat.
As for Gilgamesh's sword, Ea...
"Sword of Rupture, Ea (乖離剣・エア, Kairi Ken - Ea?) is the most powerful Noble Phantasm contained in the Gate of Babylon and the pinnacle of all those used by Servants. Unlike all of his other nameless weapons that were able to be passed on to other wielders over the course of history, it is a sword only Gilgamesh possesses, a completely unique existence that can only be possessed by him, that is suited only for a ruler's use and makes him transcendent.
Borne of the winds drawn unto the revolution of the three cylinders of Ea, a spatial severence is formed by use of the Sword of Separation. Compressed and intertwined stratifications of wind become a virtual dislocation of space-time, annihilating any who would stand in opposition. Aside from holding an elimination rank "Armor Class" statistic of a sufficient magnitude to resist Purging, or enacting mutual negation via a counterattack that inflicts the same order of damage, the damage rendered cannot be defended against"
This is caused by the mere spinning of Ea's blade. As for Ea's ultimate attack, Enuma Elish...
"Performing the miracle of genesis, something that reveals creation - the beginning of everything, the attack opens an abyss capable of crushing all of creation, and the center of the storm is not calm, but rather a hole to hell itself that returns all that enters its realm to the nothingness from which it originated. The wind pressure creates a vacuum that takes all things with form, the land, the atmosphere, and the sky, into the whirling void. The tumult of genesis takes everything that was nothing more than chaos which could not form any meaning, and creates a new truth that divides and distinguishes Heaven, Sea, and Earth. Within the darkness where everything is returned to nothingness, only Ea is left to shine with brilliance like a Star of Creation amidst the destruction, the first thing illuminating the new world. The ability takes the entire world within the Reality Marble Ionioi Hetairoi, and cracks, shatters, and collapses it into the abyss like the ending of an hourglass. The entire world inside the Reality Marble would have been completely destroyed had the field not collapsed due to a lack of energy."
As you can see, some of these quotes are referencing things outside of Fate/Extra, such as Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero, as these pages are not exclusively dedicated to Extra. Fate/Extra CCC's Enuma Elish works the same way as the other incarnations of Enuma Elish from the main timelimes, only amped to a higher dimensional beyond multiversal level (as shown with what they can do to the Moon Cell reality marble and Moon Cell BB).
As for the rest of Gilgamesh's abilities, they may be added at a later time, but this respect thread is meant mainly for the power of CCC Gilgamesh.
Gilgamesh's Speed
Gilgamesh's speed in Fate/Extra is almost always interpreted incorrectly by fans. Many people claim Gilgamesh is billions of times faster than light due to him being sent to the Horsehead Nebula and coming back instantly, however Gilgamesh's true speed is beyond the concept of space-time, here is why...
BB after becoming the Moon Cell is described by Rin as having a higher dimensional existence and perspective where she can view and handle the past, present, and future at once, "Rin :: On the other hand, the laws of the recorded universe are different. The perception of the recorded universe is over many dimensions…think of it as a higher dimensional existence. From this higher dimension, the third dimension looks like a flat scroll. Er, if the three-dimensional world is a world drawn in a book, and then if you jumped inside the book and came out outside the book, something like that? And then you’re able to look down on any point in your past, present, and future from when you were inside the book, as a record — that’s the higher dimensional perspective. You get it? Under these circumstances, all time inside the book becomes equivalent. Since you can always turn to whatever time you want to. There’s no past or future. It’s the same as that. This is imaginary number space, a higher dimensional information space made from light. The far side of the moon is fundamentally operated according to the laws of the recorded universe, not the observed universe. We are foreign bodies…no, guests. Creatures of the the observed universe that have been thrown into the recorded universe. Whereas the Moon Cell’s Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. In other words, it belongs to the recorded universe. BB has become that Moon Cell. She’s obtained a higher dimensional perspective. So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously." Notice from the earlier descriptions of BB's abilities that before fusing with the Moon Cell, she placed herself in "unlimited time" so she could hack the Moon Cell. So we have base BB pre-Moon Cell already in unlimited time, and Moon Cell BB existing above it, so how can Gilgamesh keep pace with BB if he is only billions of times faster than light? Simple, he can't... Moon Cell BB stated that Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh is on her level, meaning that Gilgamesh exist beyond time just like Moon Cell BB (makes sense since he existed in the Far Side in base).
Moon Cell Hakuno also makes an interesting comment...
As for the Horsehead Nebula feat Kiara did to Gilgamesh, there are two possibilities... One, that the feat of him getting back from 1,500 light years was more than just distance, as Kiara threw Gilgamesh into conceptual space and into the Horsehead Nebula in one of the many universes in the Moon Cell (a universe was referred to as a mere sector of the Moon Cell, as shown earlier) in a different dimension from Angelica Cage (the realm where the Moon Cell's core is), and it shows a beam of light come across the screen and he is back instantly. People assume Kiara threw him from Earth to the Horsehead Nebula, making him MFTL, but they were in the higher dimensional Angelica Cage (nowhere near Earth or the universe in general in the Moon Cell), meaning Kiara threw him across dimensions into a random universe in the Moon Cell. Possibility number two is that Kiara threw Gilgamesh OUTSIDE of the Moon Cell's reality marble entirely into the real universe, and since the Moon Cell physically exist in our solar system, people use the standard billions of times faster than light calc, but think about it... Gilgamesh got thrown out of a beyond infinite multiversal in size, higher dimensional virtual reality marble into the real universe into the Horsehead Nebula, and came back into one of the deepest realms of the Moon Cell's reality marble in the blink of an eye; that requires way beyond MFTL speeds. Regardless, the fact he is stated to be on the same level as Moon Cell BB and kept pace with her proves he's faster than the concept of time itself.
Stat Summary
So in the end, I'll lay down the quick stats summary of Fate/Extra's Gilgamesh
Base Gilgamesh post-training/regained his lost power
Power: Universal to possibly 5-D or 7-D (BB's universal attack was not just going to destroy a universe, but a universe in a higher dimension/the Far Side, while Gilgamesh didn't seem concerned or impressed).
Speed: Possibly infinite (exist in the Far Side and seemed ready to challenge base BB, who put herself in unlimited time).
Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh
Power: Possibly Infinite multiversal level to two infinite multiverses (counting the Infinite Chimeric Lunar Sea); most likely far far higher as he is 8-D since he scales to Moon Cell BB (depends on how you want to view higher dimensions in the Nasuverse).
Speed: Beyond the concept of time (is on the same level of existence as Moon Cell BB, who can view and handle the past, present, and future at once like a book).
Extra Facts
The other Servants such as Nero (Saber), Shirou (Archer), and Tamamo (Caster) reach beyond multiversal levels of power once they obtain their Mystic Code as well, as they are on the level of Moon Cell BB (although far inferior to Gilgamesh due to his many powerful abilities and Noble Phantasms).
Fate/Extra's version of Arcueid Brunestud from Tsukihime is implied to be able to defeat (or at least put up fight) against Moon Cell BB in base/no Archetype Earth. "Well even with that being said, if Berserker regained her sanity, she would easily be considered a cheat-tier Servant. Her power, “The stage is the Moon, so all targets have their power reduced to a sixth of their usual.” would be extremely useful against other similar cheat-tier Servants.
It’s a conceptual numerical alteration, so it is unavoidable when on the Moon. Even the Moon Cell transformed version of BB would be limited by it." She is being compared to cheat-tier Servants in base, which is what both Moon Cell BB and Gilgamesh are referred to as. If Arcueid entered her Archetype Earth state, she should be able to easily dispatch Genesis Mystic Code Gilgamesh and Moon Cell BB
CCC Gilgamesh power was stated to be immeasurable.
Gilgamesh completely stomps all of fiction, let's go over what he has:
- Origin Mystic Code which allows him to raise his stats to whatever he wants at will.
- Gate of Babylon which allows him to access an unlimited amounts of noble phantasms/weapons with conceptual abilities at once and simultaneously fire them at you at speeds surpassing the very concept of time. This alone allows him to hit infinitely above his own weight class. Gilgamesh literally has a noble phantasm that makes dying impossible for him.
-His transcendental nature that allows him to freely move between higher and lower realities at will which is infinitely better than being able to transcend dimensions. Think of Steve from Minecraft walking into your living room, out of your computer, and flying off to Alpha Centari and that's basically what Gilgamesh can do but on a infinite scale.
-Enkidu's chains absolutely binds any target with a trace of divinity, no matter their own strength. They cannot escape the chains with any ability and that includes reality warping and conceptual manipulation, making them effectively stuck until the chains either disappear or no longer receive mana from a source.
- Ea erases targets from reality upon contact on a fundamental level, surpassing aristocratic and platonic concepts. It's described as being an "anti-purge attack that cannot be defend against at all." It is basically the act of genesis (the creation of all-things) placed in a stick, making its true capabilities unlimited in terms of destruction and creation.
-Unsuppressed Shaq Naqba Imuru makes him omniscient, the embodiment of his mentality "spread across all corners of the world as if the brilliance of the stars, seeing through all creation."
@enviid: time manipulation is also nothing new to Yogiri :
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