Ulquiorra vs Marco the Phoenix(One Piece)

Depends if you consider Marco to be high relativistic from intercepting Kizaru's attack (I don't personally)

However, even if you ignore that and scale Marco to Katakuri I would still give Marco the win, unless he gets hit with Lanza. EDIT: Or Cero Oscuras

The lanza is not going to do anything to marco.

Marco stomp, better physicals and speed.

Oh wait, you're one of those people who don't think split durability exists, the CV equivalent of thinking the Earth is flat.

@sup3rn0va:

The argument of the energy attacks was already denied.

The Lanza force is garbage for Marco and the heat it generates too. as much as you don't like it, it doesn't do anything to marco

Your argument was absolutely terrible

It was something along the lines of "All attacks use energy so they're the same".

And your comparison was that Dragon Ball Z characters have Star-Solar System level physicals because you think their Energy attacks and Physical attacks are the same.

@sup3rn0va:

Saying that my argument is terrible does not deny the real evidence of how this work.

All attacks had energy, thats why we can measure the power of any attack.

Akainu can generate more force and heat (so...more energy) than a shitty lanza , so yes marco can take the lanza without any problem, deal with it.

Using Dragon Ball as a reference is always a bad sign.

Lanza >>> Cero Oscuras that vaporized 40-50% of Las Noches' roof.

Akainu's heat is quite literally fodder feat wise in comparison to that.

If Cero Oscuras or Lanza hits Marco he gets vaporized.

@sup3rn0va:

Nope, akainu can vaporize steel.

Vaporize steel>>>vaporize concrete.

So yes, marco can take cero oscura or any "energy attack" from ulquiorra without problem.

Dude just stop seriously

Akainu melted a sword.... Literally about a quarter inch of steel in terms of thickness

Cero oscuras vaporized the roof of Las Noches... The walls are this thick, no reason to assume the roof is massively thinner

I can't actually believe I'm debating with someone who just tried comparing melting a thin piece of steel to a massive portion of an entire fortress.

@sup3rn0va:

Thickness has nothing to do with temp.

Cero oscuras has more AoE than akainu but less temp, vaporizing steel requires more temp than vaporizing a roof, lol.

Akainu vaporize that steel sword and the iceberg from aokiji, aokiji ice is harder than steel.

You dont know anything about this, stop being ignorant.

This dude is a brick wall

I get that Shirso and Skysanji aren't as active anymore but that doesn't mean you have to go into overdrive and wank the verse just to make up for them not being here.

@sup3rn0va:

LOL.

Steel>>>>brick wall, begone genius.

When you get informed, you can debate this.

Your opinion is invalid without evidence.

As I said, a Brick wall.

Keep pretending like you know what you're talking about, it just makes me laugh at you harder.

@sup3rn0va:

I do, you can see my CaV, there is all the evidence of how "energy attacks" works.

When you realize that the heat required to vaporize steel is higher than brick.

you are going to stop saying nonsense, and that Ulquiorra can vaporize the roof of Las noches is because of his AoE, because the temperature that is needed to achieve that is the same, since to measure temperature we need the material and time, no the amount of the material (or thickness LOL).

Since you're still going with this, let me ask you

What is the melting point of steel?

And what is the heat required to break down concrete and vaporize it?

This should be fun

Melting concrete is so much better and harder since concrete you know... doesn't melt.

That's basic 5th grade science kids.

You're correct, but enough heat can separate the components that make concrete, which would produce vapor as shown in the scan.

Ulqiorra one shot .

Or just blitz.

LMFAO At some still say kizaru is ls , if we go by statemants then all ss arc captain woud be ls at minimum , lol.

@sup3rn0va: The amount of temperature requires for that would be astronomical. Concrete doesn't have a melting point but its components mostly separate... so yeah, you are right... but someone else it seems didn't pay attention in school.

@sup3rn0va:

Bricks are made of clay

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engineeringtoolbox.com/amp/melting-points-solids-d_148.html

Melting point 1600° celsius.

Boiling point 2980° celsius.

Ulquiorra stomps mismatch

Nice try, but I'm not that dumb

You said it was Concrete and now you're back pedaling because you realize Concrete would take much more heat to completely break down than a thin piece of steel.

Concrete isn't made solely of Clay, it's made of a dozen things which is why it doesn't have the melting point of Clay.

@sup3rn0va:

Concrete will melt around 1600° celsius.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-concretes-melting-point

https://amp.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/8ifsqn/whats_the_melting_point_of_concrete/

Is just the same as clay

The amount of materials in the composition does not affect, since if the vaporization point of the material that needs the highest point is reached, the other materials will also vaporize.

And thats the clay point in the concrete.

1. Concrete doesn't have a melting point

2. Nowhere in that "Quora" does it say 1600° celsius. (Totally reliable btw, not just posted by some random person on the internet who for all I know has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, kinda like you)

3. Limestone alone would only begin to melt at 2572° celsius, obviously it would take a lot more to completely vaporize.

4. You nor they are considering that melting isn't the same as vaporizing

5. Steel melts at 1370-1400° celsius

A lot of lowballing here ,first off just omnihater said there's no real way to quantify temp of attacks in fiction except by using the material affected and it's time frame

Akainu didn't MELT steel he VAPORISED it passively

Here we see oda Covey to the readers his style of drawing a melting metal

Here we see akainu erase a steel sword with his heat arua passively clear sign it's being vaporised

whether you like it or not this actually puts his heat temp above most standard vaping rock attacks in shonen regardless of the size difference of what's actually vaped just like instantly vaporising a concrete >>vaporising a lake, volume of what's being vaped mostly depends on its AOE whereas in this case cero or lanza has enough.

Saw this on t5forums where akainus heat is accepted as 160,000c

Ulquiorra.

This is either a stalemate or ulquiorra wins

@yray said:

At the end of the day, the energy required to vaporize a huge portion of Las Noches roof is so so so so so much higher than the energy required to "melt" 50% of a steel sword, and since we're talking about heat energy here, one is clearly superior to the other.

Btw just as my last post in this thread

I don't even see why we're arguing that Marco has good heat resistances

It's extremely likely that he withstood Akainu's Magma attack with CoA, since even Whitebeard was casually getting melted by it and since Marco can't use Full Body COA it's irrelevant.

And lastly, Marco isn't regenerating from nothing, both Cero Oscuras and Lanza would encompass his entire body.

@sup3rn0va:

Well looks like you are right.

Well cosidering that vaporizing concrete is better than steel in terms of temperature.

Franky can do it too, and thats not gonna vaporize marco.

https://i.imgur.com/2DKsJ5q.jpg

Ulq has this to be honest

>Yray: “Akainu didn’t melt steel he vaporized it”

>Yray: *shows Akainu scan of him not vaporizing steel*

I like the idea of this fight: both have good regen

I say Marco can take a few Ceros but not Lanza and if he he does take a Lanza it will damage him a lot. Also Marco has a limit to his regen like Ulq but it hasn’t been shown.

If this is close range I say Marco takes it

Win the CaV will not be hard I assume, I wonder when I will have time to answer him and Leo, was planning to give both rebuttals before Christmas 0_0

@yray: fodder arrancar have steal skin, And grimmjow litterly vaporized luppies top HALF. Luppies skin is stronger than steal btw

Keep in mind cero oscuras is 10x more powerful thena regular cero according to the data book...

Ichgio tanked cero oscuras which broke his mask. R2 ulq could break masl with his bare hands.

Fodder arrancar steal skin<<<<luppie<<<base grimmjow cero<<<cero oscuras /ulqs bare hands<<<<lanza

Ulquiorra takes it Mid diff in base, Stomps in release form, Mega stomps in second form.

This is a better scan

@undre: having steel like skin translate more to having durability of steel not it's melting point, lol

Ulquiorra stomps with cero osurras or lanza spam in 2nd release.

However base and first form ulquiorra vs Marco could go either ways IMO.