Ulquiorra vs Big Mom

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Ulq starts in his strongest form

Who wins

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Big Mom slaughters him unless he starts in the sky

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@naronu: Big mom is slow

Big reacted and block hit from Gear 4 Luffy, plus he keep in fight against Kaido who blitz Gear 4 Luffy so not really mate

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#5  Edited By AldoronTHEGOAT

@gokuisthebest:

No she isn't.

At least, her reaction speed isn't

She causally intercepted 4th Gear Luffy who is in the relativistic ranges of speed.

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@gokuisthebest: FTL Ulq feats please. I'm excited to see what you come up with

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Katakuri beats Ulquiorra, no need for Mama.

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@naronu: @exauce:In the bleach the guide it was stated that soul society Ichigo was fighting Byakuya at the speed of lighting and Ichigo said he could fight faster (Speed of lighting 200,000 to 220,000 MPH) and Ulquiorra>>>>>>>>>SS Ichigo and resurreccion=bankai release (5 to 10 times) because when soi fun and Hitsugaya were fighting Barragan and Harribel all of them uses resurreccion and Bankai

When Grimmjow and Ichigo were fighting in their first fight Ichigo got stomped then he trained with the visored and then he fought Grimmjow with his hollow mask and even damaged him but Grimmjow was fighting with one arm (they were similar) if the hollow mask gives Ichigo a 10-times increase like a Bankai and it is comparable to base Grimmjow then that means base Grimmjow is 10 times stronger and faster then Bankai Ichigo (Lighting speed times 10) then in there Hueco Mundo Ichigo forced Grimmjow to use resurreccion and went toe to toe and Ichigo won the fight in the end and if so a espanda release form (times 10) then Grimmjow in his Pantera is at least 100 times stronger and faster then pre Hueco Mundo arc Ichigo (so making him 100 times faster than lighting which is 22,000,0000 MPH)

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@naronu: @exauce:In the bleach the guide it was stated that soul society Ichigo was fighting Byakuya at the speed of lighting and Ichigo said he could fight faster (Speed of lighting 200,000 to 220,000 MPH) and Ulquiorra>>>>>>>>>SS Ichigo and resurreccion=bankai release (5 to 10 times) because when soi fun and Hitsugaya were fighting Barragan and Harribel all of them uses resurreccion and Bankai

When Grimmjow and Ichigo were fighting in their first fight Ichigo got stomped then he trained with the visored and then he fought Grimmjow with his hollow mask and even damaged him but Grimmjow was fighting with one arm (they were similar) if the hollow mask gives Ichigo a 10-times increase like a Bankai and it is comparable to base Grimmjow then that means base Grimmjow is 10 times stronger and faster then Bankai Ichigo (Lighting speed times 10) then in there Hueco Mundo Ichigo forced Grimmjow to use resurreccion and went toe to toe and Ichigo won the fight in the end and if so a espanda release form (times 10) then Grimmjow in his Pantera is at least 100 times stronger and faster then pre Hueco Mundo arc Ichigo (so making him 100 times faster than lighting which is 22,000,0000 MPH)

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@gokuisthebest: So how does that all fit in with Gin's bankai being stated at Mach 500?

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Big Mom eats the Hill buster

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@naronu: When was it stated and I said going by the guide books and kizaru is not even at the speed of light he might not even be half of the speed of light because if he travels that fast he should solo the verse and he will destroy it by travelling

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@gokuisthebest:

Gin Ichimaru talking about his own Bankai's speed:

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Kizaru in the databook:

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Translation:

A light man who consumed the pika pika no mi - Light fruit.

Kizaru can turn his body to light and can spam attacks at light speed.

Although Kizaru boasts overwhelming speed he speaks at a very comfortable/steady tone.

After observing Sakazuki’s “ruthless and thorough justice” and that which opposes it Kuzan’s “extremely laid-back/lazy justice”, he came up with his own “Not gonna use either justice” which gives him the most freedom and comfort, he adheres to instructions and carry’s out justice at his own pace.

He releases an infinite number of light bullets frontwards, It’s very efficient for blinding and attacking a large amount of enemies at once.

His ability is very effective for both evasion and movement, so it’s impossible to grasp even a single one of his movements without being a proficient Haki user.

This is just the most recent statement of Kizaru being LS in both combat and travel speed it's been a confirmed thing since 2012.

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Not even real light...Lasers dont fucking explode,neiter Logias act like real element

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@naronu: But didn't gin lie about his Bankai and that's his ability not his speed as a fighter and I think lizard could have moved at the speed of light when we first met him but oda changed because he is too op

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LOL! The return of the FTL SS Hisagi returns

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@suitonuser:You know what the kanji of Logia (自然系) directly translates to right? "Natural Element"

@gokuisthebest: Kizaru has been confirmed LS multiple times in both the manga and databooks. Gin lies about his bankai to Aizen not to Ichigo, also yes he's faster than his Bankai but mid quad mach (Which is about as fast as you can reasonably get R2 Ulq) isn't going to blitz Big Mom who's casually reacted to both Boundman and Kaido (who blitzed Boundman).

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Sorry I'm late but As i can see this is already being taken cared of.

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#23  Edited By exauce
@suitonuser said:

Not even real light...Lasers dont fucking explode,neiter Logias act like real element

It been multiple time said to be lightspeed and act like their real element so keep crying mate

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@naronu: Explain to me how kizaru moves at the speed of light and still can get tagged and lol do you even know gin Bankai

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@gokuisthebest: Because the people who tag him are either FTL/LS or Relativistic with pre-cog...

Also Gin's bankai is Kamishini no Yari the expansion/retraction...

The poison is a secondary ability IIRC

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@naronu: First of all kizaru is the fastest character in OP and he is not fast as light that's a fact

And gins Bankai release a poison that can kill anything but Aizen survived because of the hogyoku

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Big Mom is slow as shit. She took an entire chapter to run across her tiny ass island. Recently, she couldn't even catch Nami in a foot race. She isn't going to catch Ulquiorra before he flies into the air and just nukes the area for damn sure.

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@gokuisthebest: Kizaru is LS he's literally made of light... Oda's statements about both Kizaru specifically and Logia's in general >>>>>>>>>> your headcanon.

He's also never stated to be the fastest character in the series.

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A bleach character loses so Faraday starts crying

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@wabubub said:

Big Mom is slow as shit. She took an entire chapter to run across her tiny ass island. Recently, she couldn't even catch Nami in a foot race. She isn't going to catch Ulquiorra before he flies into the air and just nukes the area for damn sure.

Dude react and block hit from Gear 4 Luffy and keep up in fight against Kaido who blitz Gear 4 Luffy so he ain't slow. It didn't took her an entire chapter and whole cake Island ain't small, she never run against Nami in foot race Big mom was able to catch to Sanji in a foot race in a matter of seconds plus that was an enrage big mom not really the real her. he is pretty easily.

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@naronu: :Then why did he has a hard time with Silvers Rayleigh who is isn't speed of light and I know because of precog he could see kizaru but I can't see him reacting to speed of light and Ulquiorra is faster than light so ulquioora>kizaru

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@exauce: Big mom can react to lighting speeds because of precog but she can't fight in lighting/light speeds

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#36  Edited By exauce

@gokuisthebest said:

@naronu: :Then why did he has a hard time with Silvers Rayleigh who is isn't speed of light and I know because of precog he could see kizaru but I can't see him reacting to speed of light and Ulquiorra is faster than light so ulquioora>kizaru

He never had a hard time with Rayleigh and Rayleight fightning equal footing with him is already proving his speed is relative Kizaru, plus he already reacted and cuts kizaru light while he was already moving

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And what feat does Ulq has that FTL? Let think about it none

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#37  Edited By exauce

@gokuisthebest said:

@exauce: Big mom can react to lighting speeds because of precog but she can't fight in lighting/light speeds

Big mom has no lightning speed feat unless u talking about when she was enrage and book never shown any precog when he fough Kaido and Luffy so no mate she can fight people with in around lightspeed.

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@gokuisthebest: Also light>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lightning so don't put them as the same thing

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@exauce: Lol at big mom being light speed and why do you use the "mate" alot

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@gokuisthebest: She is around that in combat speed considing he was react and blocking hit from Gear 4 Luffy who dodge Lasers, and was keeping with in a fight against Kaido who blitz Gear 4 Luffy, so Yea he will around that speed mate.

Cuz I like using "Mate", is that bothering u?

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@exauce: Well Ulquiorra is a lot faster than light and Grimmjow in his Pantera is faster than big mom and ulquiorra can span ceros and we all know 4>6

It is kinda bothering me

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@gokuisthebest: Again please show a FTL Ulquiorra feat, all the dubious scaling from before was still below LS.

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@naronu: @exauce: In the bleach the guide it was stated that soul society Ichigo was fighting Byakuya at the speed of lighting and Ichigo said he could fight faster (Speed of lighting 200,000 to 220,000 MPH) and Ulquiorra>>>>>>>>>SS Ichigo and resurreccion=bankai release (5 to 10 times) because when soi fun and Hitsugaya were fighting Barragan and Harribel all of them uses resurreccion and Bankai

When Grimmjow and Ichigo were fighting in their first fight Ichigo got stomped then he trained with the visored and then he fought Grimmjow with his hollow mask and even damaged him but Grimmjow was fighting with one arm (they were similar) if the hollow mask gives Ichigo a 10-times increase like a Bankai and it is comparable to base Grimmjow then that means base Grimmjow is 10 times stronger and faster then Bankai Ichigo (Lighting speed times 10) then in there Hueco Mundo Ichigo forced Grimmjow to use resurreccion and went toe to toe and Ichigo won the fight in the end and if so a espanda release form (times 10) then Grimmjow in his Pantera is at least 100 times stronger and faster then pre Hueco Mundo arc Ichigo (so making him 100 times faster than lighting which is 22,000,0000 MPH)

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@gokuisthebest: Scans not scaling please, also Light speed is 670 Million mph so your scaling doesn't get above 1/3rd LS.

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@exauce: Well Ulquiorra is a lot faster than light and Grimmjow in his Pantera is faster than big mom and ulquiorra can span ceros and we all know 4>6

It is kinda bothering me

And I think @naronu already took care of this

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@naronu: Tell me a character from one piece similar to that ( no kizaru)

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#47  Edited By exauce

@gokuisthebest: But please show him being faster than light cuz u just saying stuff there mate.

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#48  Edited By exauce

@gokuisthebest said:

@naronu: Tell me a character from one piece similar to that ( no kizaru)

Every character who has react and dodge light

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@exauce said:
@gokuisthebest said:

@exauce: Well Ulquiorra is a lot faster than light and Grimmjow in his Pantera is faster than big mom and ulquiorra can span ceros and we all know 4>6

It is kinda bothering me

And I think @naronu already took care of this

How did he?

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#50  Edited By exauce

@exauce said:
@gokuisthebest said:

@exauce: Well Ulquiorra is a lot faster than light and Grimmjow in his Pantera is faster than big mom and ulquiorra can span ceros and we all know 4>6

It is kinda bothering me

And I think @naronu already took care of this

How did he?

By debunking ur scaling not even being 1/3 of lightspeed, or by countering ur lightspeed claim with Gin bankai speed