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#1  Edited By Gilateen  Online

•Ulquiorra starts in 1st Resurreccion

•Starrk starts in Resurreccion

•In character

•Starting distance: 67ft

•Location: Whole Cake Island

•No Knowledge/Prep

•Win by DEATH

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You get an Elbaf spear and you get an Elbaf spear everyone gets an Elbaf spear.

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#3  Edited By ovy7

You get a Cero and you get a Cero, everybody gets a Cero

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#5 FaradaySloth  Online

Someone call Oda because one of his Yonko just got stomped.

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lol. cero spam/wolfs gg.

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Depends on whether lanza lands or not. Ulq starts in R1, so BM could very well curb before he ever gets the chance.

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#8 FaradaySloth  Online

Depends on whether lanza lands or not. Ulq starts in R1, so BM could very well curb before he ever gets the chance.

BM got zero counters for a Cero Oscuras blowing up in her face

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They most likely blitz , if not ic. If they IC ulqi most likely just shoot her down with a cero oscuras , accidently . Stark or Ulqi solo.

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#10  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

OP doesn’t have notible energy durability feats above city level.

Cero Oscuras is enough to oneshot and Starkks Ceros would be overkill.

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@worldofruin6 said:

Depends on whether lanza lands or not. Ulq starts in R1, so BM could very well curb before he ever gets the chance.

BM got zero counters for a Cero Oscuras blowing up in her face

BM tanked a large blast from Zeus without(?) armament iirc. R1 Ceros shouldn't be a problem. In character Ulq would most likely start with h2h anyways or at least mix in ceros with his h2h, so Ulq would die first. Starrk would probably be the one to start by spamming ceros, but again BM should be able to tank a few ceros, so cero metraletta is the only attack that will put down BM other than lanza. This is likely to end up BM vs Starrk with either BM killing Starrk with physicals or Starrk pinning her down with consecutive ceros.

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Big Mon stomps, Bleach isn't this strong.

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#13 shirso  Online

Linlin one shots them one by one . And no her energy durability exists

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BM legitimately busted a chunk of an island, she no sells town level ceros.

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Lol at some wolf spam damaging her lmao. Shii couldn’t even kill kyoraku and my man had like 0 energy feats before that.

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#17 FaradaySloth  Online

@worldofruin6: how is Zeus’s body Conor’s or to Cero oscuras in any way.

No reason for Ulquiorra to go H2H with a giant like Big Mom.

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@ecoblitz said:

Lol at some wolf spam damaging her lmao. Shii couldn’t even kill kyoraku and my man had like 0 energy feats before that.

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BM legitimately busted a chunk of an island, she no sells town level ceros.

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Linlin one shots them one by one . And no her energy durability exists

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Big Mon stomps, Bleach isn't this strong.

Depends on whether lanza lands or not. Ulq starts in R1, so BM could very well curb before he ever gets the chance.

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Thank God you didn't let these same Bleach fanboys on every thread Bleach vs. Nnt/Naruto/One Piece thread get the better of you.

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@skysanji said:

You get an Elbaf spear and you get an Elbaf spear everyone gets an Elbaf spear.

No Espada is tanking an Elbaf spear:

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Especially when you scale it to Dorry and Broggy who punched a gargantuan hole into the Island eater.

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#20 AlexTheBoss  Online

Probably big Mom. She is too durable and elbaf spear will cut right through the espada. The espada's best chance is to keep their distance and spam ceros, but big Mom has Zeus to follow them into the sky.

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Big Mom

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#23 FaradaySloth  Online

>SH Crew dodges it

>Thinks it'll tag Espada.

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If a Lanza catches her, or a few cero oscurases, that’ll be the end of her.

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#25  Edited By ourmanuel

@ecoblitz said:

Lol at some wolf spam damaging her lmao. Shii couldn’t even kill kyoraku and my man had like 0 energy feats before that.

It’s not that surprising. Kyoraku is stronger than ichigo, who could survive cero oscuras.

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#26  Edited By Man_of_Miracles

Depends how smart the Espada play it. They need to keep their distance and avoid Elbaf spear. If they try to engage physically they get dominated.

They keep their distance and spam they could take 7-8/10 if they try to engage physically or fail to keep distance they lose.

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>Acts like Big Mom was in control of her actions

>Acts Like Big Mom doesn't gradually get weaker during her Hunger Pang state

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#28 FaradaySloth  Online

>Tries to create excuses to save bad arguments

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>Can't refute what I said so chooses to opt out and use a strawman arguement.

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#30 FaradaySloth  Online

>Thinks I claimed the Espada would tank the spear

>I actually said it would never tag them by his own scan

>He panics and yells strawman

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@skysanji said:

You get an Elbaf spear and you get an Elbaf spear everyone gets an Elbaf spear.

@ovy7 said:

You get a Cero and you get a Cero, everybody gets a Cero

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Bigmom tanks their ceros and lanza then proceed to oneshot

people act like she didn't tank a nuke , a lighting bolt which completely vaporised the ground leaving a crater 25m+deep,was standing on top of Prometheus for Hours same Prometheus tat was stated to be so huge and hot that even if it falls into the sea it would be unaffected...she did all these feats in her Hunger pangs which makes her extremely less stronger and durable while not putting any form of defense what so ever and still yet took no damage. And she scales light years above pre time skip Franky in durability who tanked a nuke that blew up a mountain

And lanza is getting overrated as usual ,lanza is only mountain lvl in AP ,any body with the title yonko or admiral sits comfortably at least island lvl , and big lol at town lvl cero even doing anything whatsoever to her ,just because the op verse don't use energy attacks like most shonen doesn't mean any energy projection would kill everyone in the verse

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@joviolma said:
@skysanji said:

You get an Elbaf spear and you get an Elbaf spear everyone gets an Elbaf spear.

@ovy7 said:

You get a Cero and you get a Cero, everybody gets a Cero

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@ovy7: Big Mom is one person so The Oprah reference doesn't makes any sense, I think that's what he's getting at?

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@skysanji: but Big Mom also has Napoleon, Prometheus, and Zeus, so my reference was technically right.

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Big Mom should win solidly.

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@worldofruin6: how is Zeus’s body Conor’s or to Cero oscuras in any way.

What??

No reason for Ulquiorra to go H2H with a giant like Big Mom.

Ulq, like most characters, starts with close combat. BM's size has nothing to do with what Ulq would do IC.

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@worldofruin6:

What??

Sorry, was on mobile. Freaking hate autocorrect lmao. I'll say it again.

"How is Zeus's blast comparable to Cero Oscuras in any way?"

Ulq, like most characters, starts with close combat.

Ulquiorra isn't dumb, he won't go H2H with someone whose nose is bigger than his body. Pointless to try to decapitate someone like Big Mom's head with a Luz de Luna.

BM's size has nothing to do with what Ulq would do IC.

It absolutely is relevant. Ulquiorra in this form only blitzed Ichigo and tried to go for a decapitation because he knew he was capable. Whywould someone like Ulquiorra try to decap someone as huge a Big Mom, or even try to go H2H with them? That's not IC Ulquiorra, In-Character means how they act when they are fighting, Ulquiorra is a calm, intelligent, composing, etc. person when fighting, blitzing a giant who is physically superior is suicide and he knows it. Just because he blitzed Ichigo and Uryu is the real irrelevancy.

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Big Mom godstomps

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@worldofruin6:

What??

Sorry, was on mobile. Freaking hate autocorrect lmao. I'll say it again.

"How is Zeus's blast comparable to Cero Oscuras in any way?"

The blast from Zeus was easily multicityblock+ and BM nosold it. Pre timeskip Franky tanked a city busting explosion. Blackbeard was tanking town busting blasts from Ace iirc. BM via feats and scaling shouldn't have trouble tanking ceros. Lanza is on another level tho.

Ulq, like most characters, starts with close combat.

Ulquiorra isn't dumb, he won't go H2H with someone whose nose is bigger than his body. Pointless to try to decapitate someone like Big Mom's head with a Luz de Luna.

Size means NOTHING in fiction, especially in Bleach. Ichigo wasn't afraid of fighting Jidanbo cuz he was stronger. Ulq isn't a coward to be frightened by size alone before knowing his opponent's capabilities.

BM's size has nothing to do with what Ulq would do IC.

It absolutely is relevant. Ulquiorra in this form only blitzed Ichigo and tried to go for a decapitation because he knew he was capable. Whywould someone like Ulquiorra try to decap someone as huge a Big Mom, or even try to go H2H with them? That's not IC Ulquiorra, In-Character means how they act when they are fighting, Ulquiorra is a calm, intelligent, composing, etc. person when fighting, blitzing a giant who is physically superior is suicide and he knows it. Just because he blitzed Ichigo and Uryu is the real irrelevancy.

The thing is that Ulq doesn't know that BM is physically superior and size is never a direct indicator of physical strength, so why would Ulq not start with close combat? Ulq could very well come to the conclusion that BM is too much of a glutton to be a real threat and end up getting bodied.

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#42 Gilateen  Online

@undre: Change your name to BleachWanker

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#43 FaradaySloth  Online

@worldofruin6:

The blast from Zeus was easily multicityblock+ and BM nosold it.

Cero Oscuras is easily city level at the lowest, so not impressed here.

Pre timeskip Franky tanked a city busting explosion.

(At least you didn't say mountain busting lol) This feat is honestly an outlier, Franky has never been able to replicate anything close to this caliber ever again, you can't really scale from it other than just saying Franky is several tiers below BM, and the consistency of OP is usually been city-small mountain busting so Fodder like PTS Franky tanking one is just inconsistent.

Blackbeard was tanking town busting blasts from Ace iirc.

I believe the only reason Blackbeard seem to "tank" Ace's blats were from his darkness. Besides, Cero Oscura is easily city level at the lowest, not impressed.

BM via feats and scaling shouldn't have trouble tanking ceros. Lanza is on another level tho.

From a single cero, yeah I guess, Cero Oscuras? No feats close to this. Cero Metralla? BM can't handle hundreds-thousands of ceroes being shot with no end in sight. Lanza? BM gets turned into a skeleton.

Size means NOTHING in fiction, especially in Bleach. Ichigo wasn't afraid of fighting Jidanbo cuz he was stronger.

You just refuted yourself here, Ichigo was indeed stronger, which is why he went straight up with Jidanbo, BM has better physicals than Ulquiorra, so why would he want to go H2H with her?

Plus, terrible example, all Ichigo could do was fight H2H at that point of the story, he didn't have a choice. Ulquiorra can sit back and shoot Ceroes alllll day.

Ulq isn't a coward to be frightened by size alone before knowing his opponent's capabilities.

Yeah, Ulquiorra isn't a coward, but he isn't dumb either.

The thing is that Ulq doesn't know that BM is physically superior and size is never a direct indicator of physical strength, so why would Ulq not start with close combat?

This isn't a counter to any of my points. If energies are equalized then Pesquisa alone would be enough, however, if they aren't equalized, then Ulquiorra shouldn't go straight in for the kill. He isn't Kenpachi, he needs to see how potent BM is. That's IC Ulquiorra, not H2H...

Ulq could very well come to the conclusion that BM is too much of a glutton to be a real threat and end up getting bodied.

Why wouldn't he end it with a cero then lmao. Sounds like you're purposely trying to ignore his specialty for his weaker side like H2H.

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@ourmanuel: ukitake was also the same, guess he’s also more durable than ichigo. Also again kyoraku had no energy durability feats

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#45  Edited By ourmanuel

@ecoblitz: why wouldn’t ukitake be more durable than ichigo? He had one of the highest amounts of reiryoku in the series.

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Still no feats for anyone in OP tanking Ceros Oscuras.

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#50 shirso  Online

Big Mom swings Napoleon the Espadas turn to dust.