UI Team Vs Hakai Team

Vs

Rules:

• No Time Limit to Angel Moro.
• Current MUI Goku and Granolah.
• Morals OFF.
• No prep goes down in the ROSAT.

Probably team 2.

Hmmmmmm…….

Hard one But Team 2 has the Edge with Beerus.

Team one

Big stretch to say that they can take down 3 MUI users with one being an Angel

Inb4 Beerus wank

Merus > Beerus

Goku > Vegeta

Moro holds off granola

Team 1 obliterates.

Any one of team 1 is superior to Beerus, MUI Goku and Moro-73 are already established to be Beerus' superior. Being MUI Goku's equal, Merus is also better than Beerus.

UE Vegeta is a glaring weak link. This dude barely learned hakai for a couple of days and is in a form when he is consumed with ego and relies on taking damage to grow stronger. This is a recipe for disaster for him, because Vegeta, being consumed in the thrill of battle and his own ego, failed to realise the extent of the damage he sustained until it's far too late - and his ego would make him take damage that his body would be unable to sustain for long. He gets bodied by any member of Team 1.

Granolah is the strongest in Team 2. 100% Granolah, which we have not seen yet, should on paper be stronger than MUI Goku, but he should not be able to carry his two allies. And given his current showings, which isn't his strongest showing yet, he remains inferior to Beerus, and thus worse than any member of Team 1, and gets disposed easily.

Can't wait for the army of brainless gnats to swarm here and say Beerus stomps, using a flawed 'wish' and a subjective 'room for improvement' interview in a feeble attempt to grasp at straws.

Team 1.

Gods of Destructions doesn't stand a chance against an angel.

MUI would low diff Vegeta.

Moro would mange it.

Depends entirely on how strong merus is.

Beerus solo.

Merus is the only threat and his just an Angel Trainee......

Pretty good matchup I'd say Team 1 and Lmao at Beerus soloing

lmaooo at beerus soloing, team 1 takes it

Team 2 wins. Nothing in the OP specifies that Merus has no restrictions so he ceases to exist the moment he does anything remotely threatening to team 2. Which leaves team 1 in a bind as everyone on team 2 is stronger than them and Beerus could probably solo.

pre-retcon Beerus, the one who gets retconned (due to bad writing) every manga arc and movie solos.

If you claim that Beerus' strength is retconned and that he surpasses MUI Goku, read this:

@iron_hand_: UI team is better as for me

Might go with team 2 tbh.

Vegeta > Moro

Granolah > MUI Goku

Beerus > Both

I'm not really sure how to gauge Merus's power though.

Goku can make up to 6 clones and there's god bind. And meerus can tap into his angel powers. There's also moro's energy draining. Team 2 will be outnumbered, could get caught in god bind and be at the mercy of team one, there's moro's energy draining, and meerus can tap into his angel form. Don't see how team 2 wins. Especially with vegeta's mindset, his ego, his apparent method of getting stronger and said method having a limit. The way I see it is goku creating clones those clones using god bind on team 2 and team 2 being completely helpless and vulnerable to team one.

@noobsnowman: Regarding number 2, Uchida and Toyo talked about in in the interview:

Goku was unbelievable strong and perfect against Moro but there's a level of perfection beyond perfect that Goku has yet to reach. Toyo puts Whis, Beerus, and Grand Priest on that level, with Uchida adding Broly.

@jack_hart: Read my other response because you responded the same way to my other post, but whatever ill repost it here anyways:

Read that interview yourself. It shows no context in what ways has Goku has to grow 'beyond perfect'. And there is no indication about the power of the listed characters in relation to Goku's room to grow, all they did was throw a couple of names without adding context. I addressed it concisely in my post.

If anything there is evidence against it referring to power, because Beerus himself has not mastered Ultra Instinct, while Goku already grasped the fundamentals of its power. Beerus already demonstrated that he struggled with the technique in the Zen Exhibition Match. If Beerus is going to be Goku's room of improvement, it is not going to be anything related to him refining his MUI form.

@noobsnowman: But they did mention the context. Goku became unbelievable strong against Moro, so strong that Toyo considered him perfect. So right there we have Toyo equating strength with perfection. Toyo then brought up a level of perfection beyond perfect to show that Goku can still get stronger and brought up Whis, Beerus, and Grand Priest as what's still left for Goku to shoot for. Beerus might not mastered UI but as he pointed out UI isn't the only technique of the gods and not everyone (including the destroyers) can rival the angels' compatibility with UI, so someone like Beerus who has mastered Destruction can surpass a mortal like Goku who isn't proficient in UI outside of transformations.

@jack_hart: Technically Uchida is the one who shoehorned Beerus in there. Toyo was not originally going to bring him up. Just Whis and GP. Then he has to repeat himself just to add him.

Beerus does not have UI on Goku's level, which was the context that Toyo was speaking of. It also lines up with what Whis stated as far as Goku’s ultimate goal as stated in the manga

Either way his word should be taken for a grain of salt since he isn't the writer and only draws the manga and characters.

Team 1, Merus solos

@jack_hart:

Goku became unbelievable strong against Moro, so strong that Toyo considered him perfect. So right there we have Toyo equating strength with perfection. Toyo then brought up a level of perfection beyond perfect to show that Goku can still get stronger and brought up Whis, Beerus, and Grand Priest as what's still left for Goku to shoot for.

Again, did they mention anything in regards to the power of those listed? You said that those beings are what Goku should aim for, but read the interview again, did it mention that, in your words, those beings are what Goku should shoot for? There is none. All that's happened, like I said earlier, was them listing names left and right without extra context. No mention in regards to Whis/Grand Priest/Beerus/Broly's power. Nothing.

Goku's fight with Moro is a red herring, because it is irrelevant to what sort of extra 'perfection' that Goku can achieve, the authors only remarked Goku's power growth during the Moro Arc, and how their training paid off. The only real context we have in regards to his improvement, starts here:

If you really want to get to the nitty gritty, the context of Goku's room for growth of his MUI power in the manga is stated in that Goku can hone his mastery of Ultra Instinct by using the passive technique outside of the MUI form, which would in turn allow him to use MUI for longer without suffering the strains behind it. Goku's training in Whis is pretty much dodging Whis' staff in his base form with his eyes closed. Does such a training require someone to be more powerful than Goku in his MUI form? Hardly so. Beerus can throw a couple of ki beams at Goku and the training would still be the same. Not to mention that Goku has other glaring bad habits, such as letting his guard down, which obviously does not require someone stronger than Goku to help work away those habits, especially since Goku lost to a ring laser due to this bad habit alone.

Beerus might not mastered UI but as he pointed out UI isn't the only technique of the gods and not everyone (including the destroyers) can rival the angels' compatibility with UI, so someone like Beerus who has mastered Destruction can surpass a mortal like Goku who isn't proficient in UI outside of transformations.

Irrelevant, this is a red herring. Mastery of Destruction does nothing to point to the fact that Beerus cannot offer anything to help with Goku's advancement of his MUI power that Whis mentioned, if Beerus himself isn't even on Goku's level with the ability. And even then, just because he mastered Destruction does not mean that he surpasses Goku, if he is relative to other GoDs and thus inferior to Jiren according to multiple statements, and thus by extension he is weaker than Goku by a noticeable degree.

Beerus solos. Why do people think Merus is more powerful than MUI Goku when Merus-absorbed Moro was only equal to MUI Goku? Beerus > Granolah > Goku/Vegeta/Moro > Merus.

Beerus destroys everyone

It could go either way to be honest (if you want to take Uchida seriously, then this is probably a stomp in favor of team 2), but I'm leaning more towards team 1.

Granolah makes all the difference, Meerus is not that experienced to be able to combat Beerus, team two stomps

Merus solos

Team 1

Leaning towards team 2

Whis scale for UI was Merus Than him Than Grand preist with goku admits he is on the bottom.

@sky__warrior:

Whis scale for UI wasMerus Than him Than Grand preist with goku admits he is on the bottom.

Whis said Goku's next milestone for UI would be himself, then the Grand Priest.

Moro with Merus's power absorbed was weaker or equal at best to Moro arc MUI Goku.

UI team stomps

Hakai team is overrated honestly

Goku clearly say here he is the weakest UI user as whis clearly mention Merus UI being Lower level than himself but still above Goku's.

@wizardking: Moro wasnt using Merus full power he couldent contain it.

even without time limit of self bust he is still fodder to Merus.

T1 and it isn't as close as some people think it is. Merus is far stronger than Beerus just by virtue of being an angel regardless of him being trained by Whis or not.

Goku is stronger than Vegeta and this whole "Ultra Ego" bs is overrated. Moro beats Granolah.

But guys, a graphic designer included Beerus when talking about Goku's room to grow! Beerus should solo!!!!

In all seriousness: