UFC Fighter/s VS Navy SEAL/s

This is between an elite UFC Fighter and an average Navy SEAL.

Scenario 1: Cage fight

Scenario 2: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons

Scenario 3: Street fight, but picking up whatever that's on your normal street near a bar is allowed.

Scenario 4: Clearing a building with 7 terrorists. Both have tactical weaponry.

Scenario 5: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons except 2 groups going up against each other :

-Group 1: All in their prime

1. Anderson, "The Spider" Silva
2. Georges, "Rush" St Pierre
3. Jon, "Bones" Jones
4. Fedor Emelianeko, "The Last Emperor"
5. Matt Hughes
6. Chuck, "The Iceman" Lidell
7. Royce Gracie
8. B.J. Penn, "The Prodigy"
9. Frank Shamrock
10. Bas Rutten
11. Conor McGregor
12. Brock Lesnar
13. Tito Oriz
14. Frank Mir
15. Randy Couture

VS

-Group 2:

15 average Navy Seals.

Scenario 6: Same as Scenario 5 but in a very large room with mats on the ground. Everyone in both groups is blood-lusted. No weapons just pure unarmed combat.

Scenario 7: Group 1 and Group 2 face off in a paintball match.

Scenario 8: Fight to the death with guns and weaponry.

Scenario 9: Every single round except SEAL's are replaced with US Marine/s.

Scenario 10: Combat with batons.

This all seems pretty even. Who wins each round?

1. UFC murderstomp so hard it's not even funny.

2. Same as above.

3. Maybe the SEALs... Maybe.

4. SEALs... WTF is this.

5. I think you're missing part of that sentence.

6. Assuming no weapons allowed, UFC murderstomp once more.

7. SEALs...

8. Wat

9. Same results, all rounds.

Call outs:

Scenario 1: Cage fight

fighter

Scenario 2: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons

fighter

Scenario 3: Street fight, but picking up whatever that's on your normal street near a bar is allowed.

seal

Scenario 4: Clearing a building with 7 terrorists. Both have tactical weaponry.

seal lmao........

Scenario 5: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons except 2 groups going up against each other :

fighters

@the_red_viper: I fixed Round 5. That's the first group one. Round 8 is both groups but using guns. Round 4 heheh XD

@lpnq: If round 4 was to beat up 10 terrorists with bare hands in a building (terrorists have no guns) who would win the 15 ufc fighters I mentioned or 15 average navy seals? lololol And finish all scenarios or I'll stab you.....please.

I have no clue

Scenario 1: Cage fight MMA Fighter

Scenario 2: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons Heavy odds on MMA fighter 8-9/10

Scenario 3: Street fight, but picking up whatever that's on your normal street near a bar is allowed. SEAL 7-8/10

Scenario 4: Clearing a building with 7 terrorists. Both have tactical weaponry. SEAL 9-10/10

Scenario 5: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons except 2 groups going up against each other : MMA 6-7/10

Scenario 6: Same as Scenario 5 but in a very large room with mats on the ground. Everyone in both groups is blood-lusted. No weapons just pure unarmed combat. UFC 9-10/10

Scenario 7: Group 1 and Group 2 face off in a paintball match. SEALS 8-9/10

Scenario 8: Fight to the death with guns and weaponry. SEALS 9-10/10

Scenario 9: Every single round except SEAL's are replaced with US Marine/s. wow..Rnd 1 Same, Rnd 2 Same, Rnd 3 Marine 5-6/10, Rnd 4 9-10/10, Rnd 5 Same, Rnd 6 Same, mmmm Marines 7-8/10, Rnd 8 Marines 9-10/10

Scenario 10: Combat with batons. UFC 8-10/10

Silva solos

@heroup2112: How does a group of bloodlusted SEALs score a 9-1/10 against 15 bloodlusted pro MMA fighters (round 6)...?

Unarmed combat = MMA fighters

Armed combat = Seals

It's not that hard ....

One of us must be reading it wrong Scenario 6: Same as Scenario 5 but in a very large room with mats on the ground. Everyone in both groups is blood-lusted. No weapons just pure unarmed combat. UFC 9-10/10

I THINK it reads that the UFC guys win between 9 to 10 times out of 10. Maybe I'm reading what I wrote wrong?

@heroup2112: *slowly backs away into a dark corner, never to be seen again*

@heroup2112:

That's why in that case I just put 9+/10

:)

lol It's okay...I've misread things before. I thought maybe for a second that I was reading it wrong.

Ah, yeah, might've saved some confusion...

@heroup2112: Lol I have no idea what went wrong along the way. Maybe because you wrote "UFC" instead of "MMA" for some reason.

Id argue the seals could win the non bloodlusted unarmed combat rounds. But they should lose the others

round 6 is the one i strongly disagree with seal stomp that round despite the physical disavantage. these guys work as a team, practice as a team, and fight as a team pro fighters do not you could almost double that number of well reconised fighters and they would still have difficulty with the seals

for the rest i just cant say mma stomps anyround tho the unarmed single combat rounds they should win 7-10 aganst a avrage seal. these are the best mma guys after all. that three out of ten is simply because seals will do things they have been taught that kill, they are NOT trained for honerable combat...... they fight to kill. not subdue like police, but to kill and that is a huge diffrence that is in there favour

Seals for the majorirty

To a degree I'm with you on the team work and trained to kill part of your argument...to a degree. However there are two other things that need to be considered here as well. While the SEALS WILL work well as a team, the average Navy SEAL is around 5'10" and probably tops out at like 190lbs (yes there are much larger SEALS, but there are much smaller SEALS as well, I'm just giving the average)...I haven't done the math here but I'd bet the average of these UFC Champions listed would probably be something like 6'1" and 205 or so. Furthermore, while SEALS may be trained to kill (and they most certainly are) unless they've elected to take more hand to hand training in their personal time, hand to hand combat training is a significantly small part of their skill set. Put a weapon of most any kind in their hand, especially any kind of cutting or puncturing weapon, this turns into a whole different ball game. However, these UFC guys not only train almost exclusively for YEARS at hand to hand fighting (though most don't really train at hand to hand combat the skill set is DAMN close). Remember also that these UFC guys are A. Champions...they're the best at what they do. B. They KNOW that they are fighting for their lives and even though they won't be as good at "cheating" as the SEALS they still will. Add that to their already massive hand to hand and physical advantages and they're way ahead of this game at the outset.

I typically like to leave at least a tiny little bit of wiggle room for dumb luck lol...especially in paint ball...people get really brave in paintball where they wouldn't with real bullets I've noticed.

That, and all the target practice that the SEALs have is worth peanuts here. The ballistics of paintball guns has its own laws of physics.

If this is a team fight? Fighters take round 1. Seals could probably take rd 2. Seals take every rd after that. Youtube Elite cage fighters vs Marines for further elaboration. Fighters like gonzaga and griffin get absolutely slaughtered at usmc center of excellence. (Combat Martial Arts School where mcmap was developed) Marines actually get really good unarmed and h2h training in comparison to the seals, but that isn't what beat the fighters anyway...it was team tactics, and environmental fighting. You're taking specialist, individual prize fighters out of the arena and putting them in general team combat against the best combat team in the world. Seals win after 2.

1, 2 ufc

3, 4 navy seal

5 is a toss up that depends on if some of the seals can beat the easier opponents then double team the fighters

1 on 1 in a regular fight, the seals lose most of the time

2 on 1, the seals should win

Well, yes and no. When I DID paintball I found that the better shot you were the better odds you had at putting paint on target, BUT yeah...it drove me and other actual shooters BANANAS that we would sometimes get beat by snot nosed, arrogant little punks who we KNEW would be geeked in thirty seconds in a real fight. The rules, weapons, and strategies are just so different it was hard to adjust to. lol We were fighting, they were playing a game and until we loosened up and figured out how to "play" we got slaughtered...which infuriated us I can tell you.

Lol as in even in terms of overall winning. About ufc guys probably win half of these rounds and Seals win half of these rounds.

The team fights doesn't get up to until Scenario 5. Plus that youtube video shows 2 marines against 1 ufc fighter where round 5 & 6 is 15 against 15. Also in that youtube vid, part 2 of 3 I think, it was 2 against 2 and one of the ufc fighter's dropped the marine to the ground which the Marine instructor/watcher guy said, "If they shave there beards we can sign them right up".

@heroup2112: Well yeah the better shot you are the better poise you have, better recoil compensation and all that. But other than that you can forget everything you ever learned on ballistics when stepping into a paintball match lol.

(Obviously I'm exaggerating, but...) Yeah...you sweep, you reflexively zoom your sight line and "marry up" your weapon with your target (you don't "actually" aim per se), but you know you're dead on, you stroke the trigger like you have thousands of times before as naturally as blinking your eyes, and then "PHTHAT" the ball hits you in your own elbow. FTW???

@heroup2112: Lol. Yeah pretty much.

lol Yeah... I hate frigging paintball.

Scenario 1: Cage fight

Ufc fighter with ease 10/10

Scenario 2: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons

Ufc fighter should take this. 8-9/10

Scenario 3: Street fight, but picking up whatever that's on your normal street near a bar is allowed.

Navy SEAL should have an edging factor here. 8/10

Scenario 4: Clearing a building with 7 terrorists. Both have tactical weaponry.

Hahaha lmao.....Navy SEALS with the clear win

Scenario 5: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons except 2 groups going up against each other :

-Group 1: UFC Fighters All in their prime-Group 2: 15 average Navy Seals.

I'd say the UFC fighters because this may essentially be one on one and each Navy Seal would be preoccupied toe-to-toe with one of the World's most talented fighters ever produced. 8-9.8/10

Scenario 6: Same as Scenario 5 but in a very large room with mats on the ground. Everyone in both groups is blood-lusted. No weapons just pure unarmed combat.

Jeez blood-lusted?! Probably 9.95/10 Ufc fighters way.

Scenario 7: Group 1 and Group 2 face off in a paintball match.

Lol Navy SEALS should take this handily 10/10. Paintball's hurt like a *****.

Scenario 8: Fight to the death with guns and weaponry.

Major stomp Navy SEALS way 10/10

Scenario 9: Every single round except SEAL's are replaced with US Marine/s.

Marine's are much less trained then Seals aren't they? If so each unarmed combat round should be 10/10 for Ufc fighters.

Scenario 10: Combat with batons.

Ahhhh probably 50/50. That's hard to say in all honesty. The physical advantages gap of a UFC fighter to a Seal in unarmed combat is massive but Seals are trained with that kind of thing I'm pretty sure.

I'm curious Cap, I assume round 10 would be fairly even in away or in a Seals favour. I want to hear your take.

Scenario 1: Cage fight

UFC

Scenario 2: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons

UFC

Scenario 3: Street fight, but picking up whatever that's on your normal street near a bar is allowed.

SEALS

Scenario 4: Clearing a building with 7 terrorists. Both have tactical weaponry.

SEALS

Scenario 5: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons except 2 groups going up against each other

Very hard as the SEAL's teamwork would make it very difficult for the UFC fighters, however i believe UFC would come through.

Scenario 6: Same as Scenario 5 but in a very large room with mats on the ground. Everyone in both groups is blood-lusted. No weapons just pure unarmed combat.

Again UFC with the same explanation as above

Scenario 7: Group 1 and Group 2 face off in a paintball match.

SEALS

Scenario 8: Fight to the death with guns and weaponry.

SEALS

Scenario 9: Every single round except SEAL's are replaced with US Marine/s.

I'm confused with this Scenario ? Are you saying Marine's vs SEAL's for every Round ?

Scenario 10: Combat with batons.

SEALS

Nope just that the SEALS are replaced by the Marines so the Marines do all the rounds the Seals did.

Scenario 1: UFC.

Scenario 2: UFC again likely.

Scenario 3: Close depends on the fighter, many ufc fighters are ex military like randy couture. Seal 7/10.

Scenario 4: Seals definitely.

Scenario 5: All lot of these guys are h

-Group 1: UFC stomp nearly all these guys are heavyweight or light heavy weight which is much heavier than the average seal. Not to mention if they are prime.

Scenario 6: UFC again just overall much stronger and larger.

Scenario 7: Seals.

Scenario 8: Seals.

Scenario 9: Every single round except SEAL's are replaced with US Marine/s.

Scenario 10: Probably seals, depends on if its against a good fighter like mcgregor who knows how to manage distance well.

@ackrecky7 said:

Ahh understood, probably the same outcome as the SEALS, due to both having more knowledge with using weapons and objects than UFC fighter who are solely hand to hand combat.

well did some reserch the average seal is 175 pounds and 5,10 there is a reason for this that being cardio. Most big men tire to quickly and wash out of seal training.

and out of those mma fighters the average is prob around 190 if that these arnt all super heavyweights. some of them are in the 160-180 class. then there is the age old size vs speed issue. the seal may give up 15 pounds or so but they should also be quicker. the fact they train in death blows or blows to cause maximum pain so they can deliver the death blow.... well you dont want a seal fighting for his and his brothers lives to be delivering that blow

There is a few more points in the seals favour aswell.

One. the brotherhood this is no small thing or point. Read the words of former soldiers (this is even deeper with special forces) they all say the same thing. They will fight and die for there brothers who fight with them. Infact i know that in special forces training when heavy loads are carried over the there heads (loggs boats ect) even if its the end of the day (10-16 hours of hard triaing) the shorter members put cans on there heads so that they can carry there fair share. What this means is when one solders is down in to one of the several take down artists. the others will give up there backs and let the strikers hit them well they snap the neck of the grappler to save there brother in arms.

two. shape it shoudnt come as a shock that mma fighters execpt a very few are not always in the shape you see them in. they all take crash courses before a fight. seal on the other hand well there always ready there trianing is constant, they dont trian up for a fight what they do is life and death. They are always training to survive there next mission because it could come at any time.

three. most mma guys are specialists in one form or the other. seals are more well rounded tho they have there training being in defence then leathal strikes. so the defence would be aka not being put in a armbar. but there not looking to reverse it the same way. they are trained break your fingers or bite you. then knee you in the balls when you let go and snap your neck. or the same defence for boxing take it on the arms defend the vitals but there counter punch is not a jab to creat distance and reset. it could be to stomp on your toes then hit you in the throat or drive a finger in your eye. the fact the defensive training is the same is going to take away alot of the mma fighters trianing advantages. its the offence that is they hold there advantage.

your right combat training is close to hand to hand fighting. but in effect its a world of diffrence. A great example is the uppercut a mma fighter will deliver it with a closed fist. it will stun and possiable knock out a seal. the seals use the heal of the palm and follow thru this will tear the mussles in the neck and possiabliable snap it. its going to deliver massive damage if not kill the opponent. It only looks like there doing the same thing

four. hand to hand combat training is a small part of what they do yes but they do that small part at least a 12 hours a week. and some moths more. thats just the matinces of skills portion to keep the skills they take in longer course fresh. Many take much more as the competive nature of special forces is to always be the best. and this is direct competion, something there culture is built on and for good reason.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/429350-styles-martial-arts-navy-seals-learn/ some of the courses

http://nation.time.com/2012/02/02/who-teaches-seal-team-6-how-to-fight/ the level of experince the trainers have

http://3yryua3n3eu3i4gih2iopzph.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/pdf/USMCcombat.pdf the basic pdf on combat for the navy. not dealt squad of the seals in known for going well above and beyond the normal hand to hand training.

anyways the point here is that well the there is no "massive advantage" in skill or size. there is a advantage for the mma fighter but its counterd hard by teamwork, and the willingness they have to risk there lives for each other. on a final not i think its very important to note the seals will not heasitate to kill. its not a easy thing to do and takes alot of trianing to overcome the natrual instinct to not kill your fellow man. not to disrespect the mma fighters at all. they are champions they trian to win and will go to the limit.

but in the minds of the special forces they are fighting for show. These guys fight for real and to the death. Tapping out is never a option for them when they engage in combat they come at you full throttle. and due to there trianing they dont lose there cool either. I dont think anyone stomps a group of men like that. right from the get go one will charge in willing to take the shot to the chin to deliver the distraction. well the other crushes your larnx with a throat chop. no hesitation. this is what there up against.

1 and 2 MMA fighter annihilates no contest

3 would be a tad harder but MMA fighter still wins

4 SEAL easy win

5, 6 UFC curbstomp

7 would have SEALS advantage, but it could go either way as paintball massively differs from actual combat. Either way, both groups have a blast

8 SEALS own

9 Basically the same, maybe the weapons engagements take a little longer? Idk

10 UFC

Basically:

Scenario 1: Cage fight ufc fighters

Scenario 2: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons toss up

Scenario 3: Street fight, but picking up whatever that's on your normal street near a bar is allowed. seals

Scenario 4: Clearing a building with 7 terrorists. Both have tactical weaponry. seals

Scenario 5: Street fight just unarmed combat so no weapons except 2 groups going up against each other : seals

Thing is, if the weapons involved had any kind of hard edge (say like a two by four), a cutting edge, or a stabbing point, or could be easily broken to have any of these I'd agree, or probably even put it in the SEALS favor. However, this is all blunt force instruments which the UFC guys have much more experience with delivering and taking damage from (blunt force I mean, not the weapons). To me this would be (to a degree) an extension of their skill set. Sure the SEALS would likely come up with some creative ways to use the batons, but the sheer extra force the UFC guys would be able to bring to bear is just enormous. Tough as the SEALS would be this is where I can see a ton of one shots happening, maybe even some one shot killing blows.

I'm well aware of everything you've pointed out here, but my opinion still hasn't changed so I'll answer these (or most of them) one at a time. To start things off btw, I was in the Army for ten years. I lived, breathed, ate, slept, and even bled the military. I'm on board with the brotherhood mentality, believe it. :) I don't LIKE having to admit that swaggering, (sometimes) show off, sport athletes can most likely beat up our (average) elite guys, but I've war gamed this a LOT and I keep coming up with the same conclusions. In a ring with no available weapons, and elite guys having nothing but their basic hand to hand training (which is still WORLDS better than normal troops basic hand to hand training), it's VERY unlikely the Elite Military guy is going to win.

• Like I said on the UFC stats, I didn't know them for sure so I SWAGd it (Scientific Wild Ass Guess).
• It's unlikely that the average SEAL is quicker than the average UFC fighter. MMA guys train for speed as well as power.
• This scenario assumes that A. The SEAL is the average, out of the box, no special extra training Team guy, not one who's undergone extra hand to hand training. B. That the UFC fighters are at the peak of their career and the peak of their game (ie trained up for a match).
• There are several things to consider based on your assessment of the team fighting, one SEAL "giving up his back to let another snap his opponent's neck" thing. Yes, one SEAL would sacrifice himself for his brother but this is NEVER the first option...trust me here. If it got down to it, yes this would happen, but they'd do their best to take the guy down together...dying for the cause is a sometimes unavoidable stupidity, killing for the cause is Plan A. ;) As for the odds of even another UFC guy simply breaking another's neck using their hands? HIGHLY unlikely, that kind of thing happens in movies. I've trained to do it, and the technique was almost taught as a joke. Doing it relies on a very unlikely set of factors, and doing it to someone as highly trained in hand to hand combat in situational awareness as either a SEAL or UFC fighter just is VERY unlikely.
  • I TOTALLY agree the way Elite Forces are taught to do hand to hand combat is very different from how Combat Sports athletes are taught are different things, however like I said, they're not THAT far apart. Furthermore, SEALS train to do it as a SMALL supplement to their PRIMARY training of: Diving, combat diving, combat swimming, underwater demolitions, underwater mapping, demolitions, explosive ordnance disposal, normal parachuting, HALO jumping, HAHO jumping, patrolling, clandestine ship boarding, oil rig boarding, SDV operation, submarine deployment recovery, ship/boat interdiction, communications, enemy weapons familiarization, intelligence gathering techniques, intelligence gathering technologies, basic medical training, counter terrorism operations, counter insurgency operations, hell, ...probably stuff you nor I have likely ever heard of too, PLUS constant physical training, keeping current on new technical advancements in each Team members field of specialization (I've left out things like sniping, engineer work, and things like that that might be each team members personal field, like advanced medical training for medics)...oh...and one of the things they're rarely going to use, hand to hand combat training. Are they badass at it? Hell yes. Do they train as hard, as consistently, and as focused at it as champion (or even regularly competing) UFC fighters? Hell no. Sorry, you're going to do that math here and figure out where the 12 hours a week is coming from.
• Also, in a situation where UFC fighters are fighting for their LIVES, all the rules they have to obey in the ring are going to go out the window. Pulling punches? Gone. No hitting in the groin? Gone. No kicking the knee? Gone. No thumb in the eye? Gone. However, unless it gets into a situation where there are only a few left, even THESE guys won't be able to get into positions where they can likely break necks. Once there are only a few people left and the opponent is tired or beat to hell, then yeah, they can clinch them and torque down real good and break at their leisure...that's a different story.

Anyway, that's where I get my assessment from. It wasn't always this way, but I came to it after long study and evaluation. Opinions will, of course, vary and I do respect yours. The only way to really know is if we put these guys all in a room and see who walks out. :)

@heroup2112: respect your service and your opinin. if you want to know the 12 hour comes from a manual i read that says two 6 hour courses a week for hand to hand combat for special forces is average. Far as i can gather in the special forces your average member does do extra hand to hand training. nobudy likes to guy who losses in the hand to hand sparing matches.

breaking necks is proboaly harder then one would think. but there is many other things most of them involving hitting the throat area. most of them deadly disabling (its takes what 4-6 psi to crush the larynx?)

and i didnt mean give up his back to die i mean he would take the hits from a fighter to deliver a crushing blow and help his bother. its doubtfull a trained mma fighter will kill a seal in the few seconds it takes him to put the hurt on a take down artist who is in a very prone positon at that moment to anyone who isnt the guy hes owning on the ground. in a team envioroment that is why i give it to the seals. i just dont see it as 15 one one one fights. its a cluster of 15 guys trying to get a one on one fight so they can apply there skill. vs 15 guys who are watching eachothers backs and know if they provide the window someone is gonna be there to back them up

one on one i agree with you for the most part giving the mma 7/10. that 30% being what they would call in boxing a punchers chance as you cant take away the fact a seal has trained to kill with his bare hands. Anyeways agree to disagree. for me mindset makes a world of difrence and only one group is going into that room with any idea of what is about to actually happen. and there no bullshit ready for it weapons or not when it became a team deathmatch it became what they trained for.

Actually, if I recall that number on the larynx thing that sounds about right. However, it's every creature's natural instinct to protect their throat (especially trained fighters), it's also one of the reasons God (nature, whichever you prefer :) ) gave us chins.

I will say however that you've convinced me that due to their tremendously better team work that the SEALS would probably have the 30% win ratio that you've got in your win column.

Sorry, I missed this. Watch the whole thing. That "UFC" fighter was I'm pretty sure, Brian Stann, who began his MMA career when he was a Capt. (maybe 1lt at the start) in the USMC stationed at the MACE...yes, that training center they were at. So, a Marine with a Silver Star did that.

From his citation: "Second Lieutenant Stann personally directed two casualty operations, three vehicle recovery operations and multiple close air support missions under enemy small arms, machine gun and mortar fire in his 360-degree fight."

He's living proof that there are Marines comparable to pro-MMA fighters, as he himself was a world champion while still on active duty.

*Edit: I stand corrected. I found the clip. :)
But it doesn't really do anything to further the argument, as they were facing off against each other.

That is a valid point Cap, I agree.

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Oh you're talking a different vid. The one I'm talking about had 2 ufc fighters vs 2 marines with these baton things and a ufc dropped a marine to the ground and the instructor guy pulled him off. Then it showed some clips on the ufc guys teaching the marines more effective judo techniques and jujitsu techniques when they rolled with them.

It's not exactly living proof that Marines are comparable to elite MMA Fighters, Brian Shaw is a unique physical specimen far above the average marine standards in unarmed combat. Sure there's probably 1 or 2 like him out there somewhere but the rest, average marine are no where near elite UFC level. For example Carlos Condit a WEC fighter visited one of the Marine camps and he was asked to spar/fight with one of the marines. He did a few combos, did a head-kick and dropped the marine in a pretty short time span. Then there's that vid with the bjj girl who put a marine in a choke-hold and made him tap out. And one video in Russia where the mma fighter wrestled with the special forces. He fought them one by one so after each person he defeated another special force guy came to try his luck, he defeated 10 of them. So not every marine is the same. Also Brandon Wolff who was a former Navy Seal never made it to the elite level and couldn't beat not even an okay UFC fighter and also average Navy Seal > average Marine in hand to hand.

Georges St Pierre solos.