$$$ TRNY R2: IheartZombies92 vs Dextersinister(DEX WINS)

IheartZombies92: Package Delivers

Team:

Equipment & Perks:

Dextersinister: Attackers(Stop The Package)

Team:

Equipment & Perks:

Round 2 Mission:

The Map:

Halo High Ground(Night Time, Moonlight, No Stars)

• Asgard Has Demanded The Package Be Delivered In 24 Hrs To Portal At The Blue Star.
• Delivers Start At The Beach On The Red Star
• Attackers Start At The Grey Star
• There are camps of Innocent People At The Pink Stars(25 Each Camp)
• Map Is 10 Miles x 10 Miles
• Red Star(Delivers) If You Take The Pathway It Is A Distance Of 20 Miles As It Is Not A Straight Line. Going Over The Mountains Will Slow Down Some Characters & Mountains Are 2 Miles High
• Grey & Red Stars are 8 Miles Apart, Grey Is Only 12 Miles Away From The Blue Star Portal
• No Using Weapons On The Map
• You may use the natural resources.

Moral Surprise

Rules Of Round 2:

Posting Deadline: April 4, 2014

ALL RIGHT!!!!! Wow both of these teams are packing a lot of heat!!! Let's see how this goes!!! @iheartzombies92 vs @dextersinister!!!!!!!!!

Alright, let's roll. Give me a mo to post.

Also, by "no weapons", does that mean my Muramasa blades, etc. are not allowed? @lukehero

@iheartzombies92: He just means the Halo weaponry, not your equipment.

@iheartzombies92: @dextersinister: yes, just halo

@lukehero: Ah, cool.

The Team

First, let's start off with a few introductions, and a quick brief of the powers and personalities of my team.

Captain America (Ultimate Universe)

• A natural leader, Steve Rogers has lead the Ultimates (read: Avengers) many times in combat, as well as other groups both in WWII and modern times, and is quick at developing camaraderie amongst team-mates. He is no-nonsense and mission-oriented, willing to work with even villains for the greater good.
• Super-Soldier Serum: this was a treatment of chemicals and steroids given to the young, weak Steven Rogers during the war, enhancing his abilities to superhuman levels. He now has super strength to the degree of being able to bench around 5 tonnes/leap 12 metres into the air without a run-up, super speedto the point of being able to run up to 75 mph, agility and reflexes that are far superior to those even of an Olympic-level gymnast which allow him to dodge automatic gunfire and have perfect coordination, stamina and durability to the point where he can exert himself for hours on end without stopping and take a hit from a car moving at 80 mph with only a sore body to show for it, regeneration to the point where bullet wounds and knife wounds are gone in under an hour and even broken necks are gone after a mere day, and increased cognitive capacity to the point where he can learn, absorb and adapt much, much faster than even the best human genius - he has perfect recall, high deductive and reasoning skill, and can instantly absorb and understand incoming info. He can formulate perfect plans in "less than a second", with Nick Fury remarking his ability to overcome even computers in adaption and info processing.
• Steve is also a master of marine martial arts, jiu-jitsu, judo, boxing and muay thai. He is an expert sharpshooter, a very good shot with projectile weaponry, and is proficient with swords, bludgeons, and whatever comes to hand at the time.
• Steve is also well-versed in all Armed force disciplines, including (deep breath) intelligence gathering, escape arts, assassination, demolition, survival tactics, hunting, swimming, mountaineering, march or drill skills, map making, map reading, decoding cipher and other secret code messages, reading and making wood craft signs and other secret code languages, disguising, interrogation, computers, explosives, communication systems, vehicles and electronic appliances used in armed forces.

Some feats:

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1. Curls 1000 lb dumbbells like it's nothing
2. Stops Spider-Man dead in his tracks
3. Catches a 5 tonne tree easily
4. Winds an Asgardian-level character

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1. Easily dodges bullets fired from a computer-targeting AK-47
2. Dodges automatic gunfire from underneath and around him, barely a metre away
3. Bullet dodging from all around him
4. Captain reacts and deflects one of the Silver Surfer's attacks, after he fired it

Some basic strength and speed feats for you to get a general gist of his power. More to come...

Herr Kleiser

• Herr Kleiser was once an average Nazi, until he was devoured and absorbed by a member of the shapeshifting race of Chitauri. He, like all Chitauri, is very calm and controlled, rarely giving in to strong emotions. He is also not inherently evil, and can work with hero and villain alike.
• Like all Chitauri, Kleiser possesses powers of mimicking and shapeshifting, being able to assume both the appearance and social behaviour of any living creature that he might encounter. Kleiser also possesses powers that are vastly superhuman; essentially, look at Cap up there - Kleiser is superior to him in every way. He is stronger, faster, far more durable, and has a far superior regeneration factor. When they fought, he only lost to Steve due to poorer tactical skill - when they fought again, in modern times, Kleiser decisively beat Cap. It took the Hulk to finally bring him down. Kleiser also can detect invisible people with ease.
• Kleiser is also highly skilled in hand-to-hand combat, tactics, and leadership.

Some feats:

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1. Humiliating Cap (part of a larger battle)
2. Surviving having his head ripped apart, tosses and invisible Fury away easily
3. Survives a huge explosion

Jack the Ripper

• Jack the Ripper from the Imageverse is the Jack the Ripper of legend, an old, experienced killer and formidable opponent in combat.
• Like many other users of the Hercules Method, an ancient technique invented by the first killer (Cain) that bestows superhuman abilities upon the user, Jack has super strength in the region of ten to twenty tonnes, insane regeneration and durability that allows him to regenerate grievous bodily wounds without slowing down and tank the blows of a ten tonner, speed that borders on the sonic, and stamina, agility and reflexes that are far superior to any human (or, indeed, your average metahuman). Here is a respect thread I made for the guy (Luther Strode) whom he fights in some of the scans I'll show. See Luther taking down buildings with punches and being practically unkillable? Yeah? Well, this motherlover over here is even better.
• Jack's weapons of choice are knives, which are, going by feats, ridiculously durable and extremely sharp, and he wields them with extreme precision.
• Jack, personality-wise, is a calm and good-natured individual, almost philanthro- BWAHAHAHAH. Joking. Guy's a sociopath who slaughters entire shopping centres full of people for kicks. However, he can be controlled, and for as long as he gets to kill someone, he'll do what you say.

Some feats:

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1. The only way to restrain this guy (and he's been alive for over a century) is in a special, magical box and chains
2. Here's Jack, moving like a blur to a guy who easily dodges automatic gunfire while sprinting at it (Luther)
3. Jack humiliates Luther, outpacing, outmuscling and slicing him up while making comments
4. Same as last, displays superhuman speed and strength
5. At this point, he's basically sonic speed, running around luther dozens of time in a second, easily blocking his blows
6. Durability feat: gets smashed into the ground so hard a shockwave appears, he tanks this easily
7. His combat speed is so fast it looks like his hands are in a dozen places at once
8. Casually dodges oncoming auto gunfire and deflects a bullet with a knife
9. Ritually kills almost every person in a shopping centre. In fact, he doesn't kill them, but leaves each one barely alive, showing skill
10. Moves so fast he literally appears to be a shadow
11. Same as last one, he's barely visible
12. Again, toys with Luther in combat, slicing him up and outpacing him
13. It finally takes having his legs cut off, stabbed, gutted and restrained, and then decapitated with a chainsaw to actually put this guy down. And Luther couldn't do it himself.

Mr. Fantastic

• A genius from an early age, Reed was a prodigy in physics, mathematics, and mechanics, as well as other aspects of science. Thanks to the cosmic rays which gave him his powers, Reed's intellect is now literally superhuman.
• He has the power of plasticity, the ability to convert the mass of his entire body into a highly malleable state at will. Mister Fantastic can alter his form in a matter of seconds, often much less (depending on the complexity of the shape), and revert to his normal humanoid shape within a similar time. Mister Fantastic's transformation to a malleable state is reflexive and nearly instantaneous: if he was at his normal form and taken unaware by machine gun fire, his body would still absorb the bullets' impact through radical deformation. He can tank a 12 lb of TNT explosion with relative ease, and once shielded many superheroes from a 150 billion tonne mountain falling on them for a few seconds before Hulk caught it. It is almost impossible to penetrate Reed's skin.
• Reed can extend any body part up to around 1500 feet, at which point it starts becoming painful.
• Reed possesses a mastery of electrical, mechanical and aerospace engineering, electronics, chemistry, all levels of physics, and human and alien biology. A theoretician and machine smith, he has made breakthroughs in such fields as space travel, time travel, extra-dimensional travel, biochemistry, robotics, computers, synthetic polymers, communications, mutations, transportation, holography, energy generation, spectral analysis and more.
• Reed is affable and studious, preferring to study and prepare rather than rush into combat. However, he is no stranger to it, and is willing to do what is needed for the greater good.

Some feats:

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1. Stretches extremely far, over a kilometre away
2. Absorbs and reflects bullets
3. Stretches up to skyscraper height
4. Walks through a wall
5. Takes down a flying dragon beast with a choke and slam
6. Hurls a missile at extreme speeds across the land
7. Restrains the Hulk for a while
8. Invents a shrinking gas in hours

Gambit

• Remy LeBeau, an experienced mutant with a troubled, criminal past, Gambit is a powerful opponent.
• Gambit has the power of molecular acceleration, where he can charge any non-organic object with kinetic energy, using its potential energy. He can charge an object the size of a small house in seconds, and smaller items like cards or knives instantly. The explosive power of the charged item is proportional to its mass - a card explodes like a hand grenade would, for example. He also has enhanced agility due to his charging of the cells within his body. He also possesses various telepathic abilities, like a hypnotic charm, which allows him to convince anyone without hier-tier telepathic protection to do whatever he wants. He can also charge the particles around his head to protect him from telepaths.
• Gambit is also quite intelligent, knowing how to speak English, Cajun French and some Japanese. He is also a highly trained fighter, with Nick Fury remarking that Remy is "one of the best hand-to-hand combatants that [he's] ever seen". He is also a marksman when it comes to projectile weapons.

Some feats:

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1. Catches Spider-Man off guard
2. Takes out Mr. Sinister (a very powerful mutant) with a few cards
3. Easily maneuvers through a laser grid
4. Does acrobatic maneuvers off moving vehicles, showing agility and precision
5. Casually selects cards while backflipping and making acrobatic moves
6. Uses three cards to wind a woman, knock a bomb out of her hand, and disarm it in one go

The Thing (1982)

• God knows what this is, or where it came from. Just don't get in its way.
• This is basically a moving mass of organic matter, capable of assimilating other organics - be it dogs, humans, food, etc. - and add it to its mass. It can also shapeshift into pretty much anything it wants to be - a huge mouth, a human... pretty much anything. It can also mimic any behaviour perfectly. Oh, and it's almost impossible to kill. Satisfied?

Some feats:

Kinda hard to do, seeing as how this is from a movie, and I might not be able to get clips. Anyhoo, we'll see how things go, if I feel a feat is appropriate, I'll mention it. Basics: it can essentially only be killed by starvation.

The Strategy

Without further ado...

Everyone makes a move at the same time, just for you to know. Also, Mr. Fantastic and Gambit are the ruthless picks.

1. In the one hour of prep, Gambit charges up the bullets in Cap's rifle. They each now pack the punch slightly higher than a normal hand-grenade.
2. The seconds the battle begins, Jack uses his near-sonic speed to rush to your team (black line) and catch them off-guard. Using the Muramasa blades, he starts slaughtering indiscriminately, while also throwing down the huge glue trap to slow them down.
3. Cap (the blue line) sprints over (but keeps his distance) and, while your team is occupied with Jack, starts sniping. Thanks to grenade bullets, he does even more damage.
4. Kleiser and the Thing guard the exit out of that gulley, if any of your team try and get past they get attacked/assimilated.
5. Meanwhile, Mr. Fantastic uses his powers to easily life both Gambit and the crate, and very rapidly (note the above stretch scan) closes distance to the portal. He drops Gambit at the purple circle, who charges and destroys it to block any of your team trespassing.
6. Mr. Fantastic safely delivers the package.

How do you defeat my strategy, @dextersinister?

@iheartzombies92:

• Can Gambit really keep the charge on those bullets, why would they go off when they hit the target and not when the gun hammer strikes them taking Caps hand off?
• Please use scans from when either of us where actually alive for Mr Fantastic and not in an era when writers didn't give a f*ck, he can no longer do some of those things so no he cannot easily stretch them that far
• He strains at 1500 feet let alone a kilmeter and needs to distribute his mass so he wouldn't be able to lift Gambit that far let alone the package
• You have a NAZI that despises Captain AMERICA working with a more violent alt Captain America

I'm not big on character intros, I normally only post feats when there needed

Team

Edward Elric - Ruthless

Monet - Ruthless (pretty ruthless already by now more so)

She could honest to goodness probably solo your team simply by using her well

Bison - Leader

Gaara

Ghost Rider 2099

Clayface

The Danger Room will be pretty much the same as the last match, the team will spend practical time working together on the first day, Monet and Ed will research modern tech for his alchemy. The next six days will utilize full knowledge by entering your parameters into the danger room so we can practice against you.

Ed will effectively create a fortress in the pathway 1000 yards from where you start and as many artillery cannons as he can so he can completely obliterate the approaching area and alter the immediate terrain so that there are huge spikes pointing forward

In front of those spikes will be a hole as Gaara grinds up the Earth to make colossal amounts of sand and then proceeds to grind up the upper layer of ground behind the fortress and in front so that there is plenty for him to work with.

Examples of what he can do in a second let alone given 45 minutes and knowledge on modern artillery, pretty much construct what I need almost instantly

• constructing cannons
• instantly reconstructing buildings
• reshaping the Earth

Bison will have 3 T-spheres and a T-mask with 1 weeks practice using them

Monet will have 3 T-spheres and a T-mask with 1 week practice using them

Ed will be transported by Monet 300 yards down from the fortress where he can quickly make a cave for Clayface to take cover where he will blend into the cave wall as disguise and have 2 submerged T-spheres

All except Monet will be behind reinforced cover with arrow slots at match start

Won't use the Fistigons or Teleport bomb

When the match starts it appears Jack is running ahead lugging a huge glue trap, he gets completely slaughtered

The initial assault will be long range artillery firing down the line with an approaching tidal wave of sand, the difference between the shown fight is that Gaara will have vastly more sand to work with from the get go, it took him a fraction of the time I am given for him to gather up this much

Jack gets caught, crushed and buried. If your going to say he won't there are lots of other things to contend with.

• Monets tp messing with his motor functions
• Monets mach 3 speed and TK

She knocks the top off a skyscraper by plowing right through it at mach 3 in that story

• Bisons TK

• He's still lugging that giant glu trap
• GR2099 sniping with his zoom and enhanced targeting
• Multiple T-spheres

None of your characters are capable of going over the mountains with any degree of speed bar Fantastic so they need to come at us as and I think that Fantastic may be incapable of lifting it and then stretching too far.

Although it would be better if he can. If he and Gambit made off on their own Monet could have tracked them with the T-mask and swooped in at mach while he was mid stretch and effortlessly made off with the package.

Here she zooms over and grabs someone out of the way from a point blank bullet.

I will see how you you handle the initial sh*t storm that takes place at match start.

@dextersinister: @iheartzombies92: Iheart. Did you ever declare which two good guys you are going to make ruthless?

@lukehero: Yeah, it says just under the picture :) It's Gambit and Mr. Fantastic.

@dextersinister I'll reply in a mo

• Yeah, he can. He's done things like charged a card, put it in a pack, took it out later and used it.
• What is wrong with those scans? They haven't been retconned out, and are thus still valid. But sure, let's say that he can't stretch that far for the sake of argument.
• He does strain at 1500 feet, so why stretch that far in one go? Do it 1300, then 1300, and so on. And he has held up a 150 billion tonne mountain before (yes that feat is valid), so Gambit and the package would be a breeze.
• No, I have a politically neutral alien with Cap. Kleiser is not a Nazi, he just pretended to be one for a while. Both are leaders, and both understand what is needed to be done and when. They will have almost no issue working together - and anyway, they fight at different points at the map, so it's fine.

How does Monet solo my team? What is that feat supposed to be? Any of my team could dodge/tank a thrown iron bar.

And I looked up her powers, her max bench strength is around 10 (compare Jack or Kleiser's superior strength) and due to rules of the match, she can't go over Mach 1 (so Jack can easily catch up to her with the blades and rip her up).

Don't cannons count as pets? Even if they don't, that doesn't stop my team. Ed will create a fortress 1000 yards away from my starting point? He gets anywhere near that distance, Jack shreds him up. Or Cap takes him with the rifle.

Again, Ed can't do any of these things as he can't get close. If they do, the Thing can simply sneak by and assimilate any of your team. Likewise, you have to contend with Cap dishing out the pain with a rifle from long distances.

How does Jack get "completely slaughtered"? He has tanked severe damage before. He also have Mach reflexes and speed, and will see any attacks that are coming. TP won't do jack as he could wear the helmet of Magneto. And again, Monet can't go at Mach 3 due to rules.

At the start of the match, Jack can go and lay down the trap with Cap providing support. The pair alone can cause significant damage to your team.

Jack has 10 tonne strength, lifting the trap will be easy. Now let's see some reaction feats for those guys - what will they do when they get plowed into at just under the speed of sound?

No, Monet wouldn't catch up to Reed, but even if she did she wouldn't take the package of him - his strength is far superior to hers, or anyone in this match.

So, in summary:

1. Jack can make short work of a fair number of your members by himself. With Cap at rifle (+ charged bullets), they'd cause significant damage.
2. Ed can't create anything because he also will get ripped up at superspeed.
3. TP is nullified with Mags' helmet.
4. Kleiser and the Thing will just cause your team even more losses.
5. Mr. Fantastic and Gambit easily deliver the package OR Reed uses his slingshot ability to simply catapult the package to near the portal and then go over and put it in OR he can also then catapult Cap who can grab the package and go for the home run while Reed helps me, and your team is being taken out OR we simply give the package to Jack and have him sprint over (just under speed of sound, it will take him around 95 seconds) while my team goes all out on yours to distract them...
6. We deliver the package and win.

@dextersinister Look forward to your reply!

Don't cannons count as pets?

@lukehero, They should if Ivy making plants is restricted.

@dextersinister: @pr0metheus: @iheartzombies92:

No -_- Cannons do not count as pets. Why would they? They are objects that must be activated. Smart plants & animals can do things on their own. Ed or one of his teammates would have to fire the cannons.

Speeds Will Be Kept Under Super Sonic

Supersonic is not Mach 1. Super Sonic is rated as Mach 1.2-5

@lukehero: Oh he has to fire the canons?

Seems useless.

Whatever then.

• Yeah, he can. He's done things like charged a card, put it in a pack, took it out later and used it.

So you don't have any showings of him charging someones else's items for later use.

Would it not make more sense that he charged the card as he took it out and again what stops the bullets from exploding when the gun hammer strikes them?

• What is wrong with those scans? They haven't been retconned out, and are thus still valid. But sure, let's say that he can't stretch that far for the sake of argument.

Well yes they have. It's commonly accepted on the vine that feats from the bygone era are no longer appropriate if feats within the last 20 years contradict them.

• He does strain at 1500 feet, so why stretch that far in one go? Do it 1300, then 1300, and so on. And he has held up a 150 billion tonne mountain before (yes that feat is valid), so Gambit and the package would be a breeze.

Yes he can stretch multiple times the same way a person can put one foot in front of the other multiple times. He doesn't stretch instantaneously.

Not true, that's like you saying you can lift a car because one drove over you. Support is not the same as lift.

• No, I have a politically neutral alien with Cap. Kleiser is not a Nazi, he just pretended to be one for a while. Both are leaders, and both understand what is needed to be done and when. They will have almost no issue working together - and anyway, they fight at different points at the map, so it's fine.

I can feel the love

How does Monet solo my team? What is that feat supposed to be? Any of my team could dodge/tank a thrown iron bar.

I placed that just to show how ruthless she could be, it followed the sentence mentioning she was ruthless.

And I looked up her powers, her max bench strength is around 10 (compare Jack or Kleiser's superior strength) and due to rules of the match, she can't go over Mach 1 (so Jack can easily catch up to her with the blades and rip her up).

You looked up a wiki, you shouldn't be reliant on those when some place her at 50. She has effortlessly held up the upper stories of an apartment block and recently one shotted a re-empowered Enhantress cratering her deep into the ground while holding back, I think that trumps the shockwave scan

Luke clarified that the speed could be up to mach 4.9, supersonic cuts off at 5 and and Jack can't fly.

Don't cannons count as pets? Even if they don't, that doesn't stop my team. Ed will create a fortress 1000 yards away from my starting point? He gets anywhere near that distance, Jack shreds him up. Or Cap takes him with the rifle.

Why would they be? that's like saying your guns count as pets.

Sort of missing the point of the artillery, they fire at you. He did it during prep, I am allowed to create as close as 500 yards during prep, it's in the tournament rules, why I picked Ed.

Caps going to take aim with his rifle at people in cover while being bombarded?

Again, Ed can't do any of these things as he can't get close. If they do, the Thing can simply sneak by and assimilate any of your team. Likewise, you have to contend with Cap dishing out the pain with a rifle from long distances.

I had prep, you can't attack each other during prep and you didn't arrive until match start

I wasted a T-mask on Monet, I suppose I could just have it revert to another T-sphere.

I'll post feats if you could explain how in the hell this Thing is sneaking up on me when?

• I am bombarding the area
• a huge sand tidal wave is coming down the way
• I have T-masks to locate it
• Monet has incredibly powerful super senses can detect heat signatures and could even tell that Siren took a sharp intake of breath while in a hospital
• Ghost Rider has enhanced senses
• other things worth mentioning if necessary

and why is it that according to you Cap out in the open with a single sniper rifle is so damn intimidating when my dozens of instantly made artillery cannons and more if necessary, T-spheres, a massive sand tidal wave while in a canyon, GR2099 with futuristic weaponry aren't?

How does Jack get "completely slaughtered"? He has tanked severe damage before. He also have Mach reflexes and speed, and will see any attacks that are coming. TP won't do jack as he could wear the helmet of Magneto. And again, Monet can't go at Mach 3 due to rules.

He's in a canyon with thousands of tons of sand baring down on him.

He could wear the helmet but he didn't, you cannot retroactively place it on his head. As far as I am concerned it's just sitting at the starting area while your team rushed on ahead.

I pointed out earlier that the speed is up to 4.9

At the start of the match, Jack can go and lay down the trap with Cap providing support. The pair alone can cause significant damage to your team.

How is Jack getting past the tidal wave that pulled down someone with beyond mach speed and much greater strength and durability than Jack.

Jack has 10 tonne strength, lifting the trap will be easy. Now let's see some reaction feats for those guys - what will they do when they get plowed into at just under the speed of sound?

Really? I was under the impression that he was faster but not as strong as Luthor.

No, Monet wouldn't catch up to Reed, but even if she did she wouldn't take the package of him - his strength is far superior to hers, or anyone in this match.

Reed can travel at Mach 1 now?

I have shown that to be far from true and already mentioned that she could grab it from him while he was mid stretch. Reed gets physically weaker as his mass is stretched out and none of his strength feats have so far competed with hers.

Jack can make short work of a fair number of your members by himself. With Cap at rifle (+ charged bullets), they'd cause significant damage.

Jack is not reaching the team and if the angels where on his side in that 1000 yards of hell while lugging the trap he is not a threat against all of them

Addressed Cap, he would die when he pulls the trigger and sets off his charged bullets if he wasn't killed by the bombardment while trying to take aim.

Ed can't create anything because he also will get ripped up at superspeed.

I had an hours prep :/

TP is nullified with Mags' helmet.

You never put it on him, also in the last round you put it on Cap.

Kleiser and the Thing will just cause your team even more losses.

How?

I have yet to see any mention of how you are getting around the sand wave and bombardment. I haven't even needed to mention what GR2099, Ed, the T-spheres or Clayface could do in a straight up fight

Mr. Fantastic and Gambit easily deliver the package OR Reed uses his slingshot ability to simply catapult the package to near the portal and then go over and put it in OR he can also then catapult Cap who can grab the package and go for the home run while Reed helps me, and your team is being taken out OR we simply give the package to Jack and have him sprint over (just under speed of sound, it will take him around 95 seconds) while my team goes all out on yours to distract them...

• I've shown how Monet can easily out distance anyone who has the package.
• Slingshot the package, Monet will catch it in the air, that's also not your original strategy
• How can you give Jack the package when he ran off in another direction doing something else, whats his best strength feat?

As far as I can see you have Jack on a suicide run up death canyon where he gets shredded and sucked deep into the Earth, we could get into details on the rest of the team but they are too slow we will cut to the real matter. Monet and Bison will then be aware of the packages movements with either the T-mask and/or her super senses.

You are attempting to have Mr terrific carry a 1 ton weight and Gambit up a up a 2 mile high wall away from the rest of your team where you will be intercepted by Monet, Bison who can fly and teleport and 6 or 7 T-spheres which have speeds that are much higher than the tournament limits. This is the most important paragraph.

I also left the big issue you failed to address for last, Bisons TK

T-Spheres are hilariously OP, pretty much do everything dont they?

@pr0metheus:

1. I didn't say anything about getting rid of them or being uncounterable.
2. I doubt they are any where easy to hack considering the guy that made them is much smarter then Batman or a Terminator.

@pr0metheus:

1. :D OK I'm just making sure.

2. Maybe right on Batman, but the TX is from the Future & has Skynet programing.

They were on the verge of being overthrown by outclassed humans whose population is dwarfed compared to ours. SkyNet only stood a chance because of having the element of surprise. Put our full world military with knowledge about the Terminators and what they are fully capable of and we would stomp.

I haven't even really used them in either match but yes they are powerful, it appears no one can handle

@lukehero can. He is an extravagant ball handler.

Fortunately for me he is not in this tournament.

@dextersinister: @pr0metheus: -_-

@pr0metheus: -_-

@pr0metheus: Dat is creepy^^. 0_o

@iheartzombies92: @dextersinister:

Knowing Iheart, I know he is working on one hell of a counter. Just posting friendly reminders.

Indeed I am! Sorry for the tardiness, I have been quite ill of late, but I'm just finishing up now

@iheartzombies92: Stay healthy my friend. Eat fruits & veggies. Drink OJ. :D

@iheartzombies92: Not saying he does. And in this case, they are one and the same - you have your analogies mixed up. If a car drove over me and I held it up (like Reed did with the mountain) then that means I could lift a car, with difficulty at least - and surely if I could support a car, I could support a package that is 150 billion times lighter, no?

Simple question are you actually trying to say he lifted the mountain higher which would be well outside of Things strength limit let alone Reeds or was my analogy correct and it simply fell on top of him. Simply post the scan to show.

Cool. Based on feats, I can easily say that Jack is over Mach 10 (given that he looks like a blur, even when observed by someone with super reflexes and speed), so they're on the same level too.

You could say that but no one would buy it, if he moves so fast compared to Luthor then how was Luthor able to tag him? answer is neither Luthor or Jack are as fast as some make them out to be, heavy blurring is the art style of the comic, I don't buy after images being of any importance in Marvel or DC either. Monet knocked a building when moving at mach 3, he barely chipped the wall when he rushed on to one

Also if he was even running at mach 1 then where is the sonic boom as he breaks the sound barrier?

Your actually posting a picture of him jumping in a building as some comparison to flight ?!?

Fair enough. And how big is this artillery setup? And how quick is it to fire, and how fast do the projectiles go? Almost all of my team are bullet-timers, and almost all are super-fast -

so they could just go around.

The route is through a canyon, a wide canyon but a canyon none the less so a straight line towards me.

You have yet to show measurable superspeed for any of them and most are below 60 mph and if you've noticed I never said the artillery would kill any of them except one guy maybe Cap who is sitting taking aim.

The artillery creates a danger zone, a situation where you either back off and lose or run at my characters who are sitting comfy where it becomes unrealistic for you to claim that you could dodge all of there ranged attacks while your contending with a gauntlet.

Yeah, why not? I can post scans of Cap giving exactly zero f*cks and maintaining a cool veneer, even under fire.

He can have whatever look he wants if he is going to sit there and take aim while artillery fire is coming down.

I could get the thing to assimilate a bird, and while your team is fighting mine, just fly around and sneak up on your team. Enhanced senses won't help, as the Thing perfectly mimics anything - and how is Monet or GR going to be able to tell a Thingified bird from a regular one?

ok so now the thing is out of the match, he's running around looking for a bird to assimilate and if he eventually catches one long after it matters he will realize that it has the intelligence of a bird and is just as likely to go after his allies than his enemies or a rat, or snake or whatever is nearby.

He can outrace the sand, go around it, spring up the side of the mountain, etc. Says who? Sure I can. I can adapt to your strategy just as you can adapt to mine.

Could but unlikely

Hell, I didn't even know any of your team had TP before you told me.

I didn't need to so this ones on you, you have neither basic or advanced knowledge.

Read above. He can move faster than the sand, or just go up the side of the mountain. Forward isn't the only way, you know.

Just because you said he can do something doesn't mean he will succeed when he is carrying a glue trap,being targeted by TP sniped at by multiple shooters and he has no answer for TK.

Luther is easily 10-20 tonnes, yeah, Jack's within that range.

I've seen people say otherwise so I'll need proof he is within that range.

Heh, no, but Monet would be too distracted by the other fighting to catch up. What about the mountain feat?

Why would she be? although not as fast as your making him out to be Jack is still your fastest character so rushing in on his own expecting him to solo means that he is taken out before any of the others are an issue.

Reed casually takes on Dr. Doom, Carnage (a 50+ tonner) and the Thing (100+ tonner). He has excellent strength feats.

Those are neither relevant or decent, Thing does not weight 100 tons and none of him have him seriously stretched as you are are doing to him

Shatterstar knocking around Thing, not knocking him out

old scan of Thing easily overpowering Reed

more relevant scan to the situation as I am blitzing the box out of his unsuspecting hands and Spiderman moving at a slower speed can knock him off balance

how I could easily beat Reed if that was the goal. Either sonic or energy both of which Reed is susceptible to.

I'll explain how he does. And even if the bullets aren't charged, 50. cals will hurt. He's far away enough to not be hurt by the bombardment, or he can simply outrun it.

Not through the sandwave and cover. Cap is not a factor

Yeah, and? Now he's wearing it. What does the last round matter?

It shows what you most likely would have done rather than try and retroactively place it on a specific characters head just as they are being targeted which is not allowed.

You make the sand wave sound a lot scarier than it really is. Same with the bombardment. Unless the shells are flying faster than bullets, my team can dodge/tank them. The sand wave can be tanked by Reed, or my team can simply climb up the mountain with Reed's help.

It took out a damn forest and is near unavoidable for Jack the only character that will be facing it before I take the box because the rest are too slow. He will be crushed and pulled into the ground and your not even factoring in all the other things he needs to worry about.

Your one character is not soloing my team WHO HE IS RUNINING STRAIGHT AT while they are waiting

Reed is not there only Jack and no he could not, he would be pushed over and pulled under, he cannot stand in the way of 100's if not thousands of tons of sand.

How so? Jack is on the same speed level as her, and she'll have her hands full fighting the rest of my team members. If Reed has the package, then we could simply use the launch method and then have Jack or Cap do the home run.

No he is not and no she will not, Jack ran on ahead.

You are allowed to change strategy, you know? And as I said, Monet will have her hands full.

So you are saying that if you made a losing strategy you are allowed to change it using knowledge you wouldn't have?

I'm presenting various scenarios. He has 10-20 tonne bench strength, seeing as how he is stronger than someone with 10 tonne strength,

No you don't, your attempting to change your strategy based on what I've done.

Let's say we do have Jack do the "suicide run". A), you overestimate sand - couldn't he, you know, just run on top of it? And like I said, unless the bombardment is a) gigantic,

He can attempt to run on top of sand wave if he wants

b) has a huge range,

Your a thousand yards away not miles, WW2 artillery could easily accomplish that let alone modern and full metal had near modern tanks and artillery pieces on top of Ed studying up in the danger room which generate images for him to look over.

He can zigzag, use trees for cover, run up the side of the mountain and flank your team - anything, really.

Just like that bone guy but he was still washed up except he had the advantage of having supernaturally hardbones covering his body and a curse amping all his stats. Jack isn't even bullet proof.

Again, Mr. Fantastic can carry the both of them, or he could carry just the package, or he could use the slingshot option - and you seem to be forgetting my other team members, as Cap can provide rifle support, while the Thing (as per my earlier plan) assimilates some of your team members, Kleiser also supports and engages in H2H with your guys - and you seem to really underestimate Gambit, as he can charge any item that isn't organic (like the T-Spheres) from a distance and explode them, or use his hypnotic charm to turn Bison (whose TK feats don't seem to be too impressive) to our side, and in general cause you problems. My plan can work any way - either Jack and the Thing commence frontal assault while the rest go around and deliver the package, or Jack sprints around with the package while the rest of my team takes out yours. Simple, really.

• `you made the Thing useless by having him waste his time capturing and turning a bird which will be unable to follow orders as it has the intelligence of a bird and could attack your team-not a factor possibly a liability
• Kleiser is too slow,-not a factor
• Cap is apparently dodging artillery while shooting at targets behind a cover and a sandwave 1000 yards away-not a factor
• You have Jack speeding out against my team on his own, who have prepped for a direct attack with spikes, a pit, a sandwave, cover and expect him to avoid it all and solo, despite Gr2099 sniping him if he makes it over the wave, multiple spheres, TK, TP messing with his motor functions (which pretty much makes sandwave death certain) and whatever else. That enough just makes his dash horribly unrealistic.
• You are attempting to backtrack to save characters or not waste their time, I expect the Thing may give up on his avian hobbies in the next post
• I didn't underestimate Gambit you just hadn't done anything with him
• You are now breaking the rules by attempting full control over Bison so I won't bother listing immunities and resistances I don't even think Gambit can do that anymore.
• You never mentioned Monet in any of the things Gambit will be doing so she just blitzed the box out of Fantastics grasp mid stretch or grabs it in the air. None of your ranged attacks would even make her flinch.
• Gambit cannot take out the T-spheres in that manner
• You think smashing a truck into a mountain with TK isn't impressive?

Anyway I have this, most of your characters are either performing useless of suicidal actions. Gambit is being carried by Fantastic so he can't engage Monet if he was capable of reacting fast enough.

The box is either snatched from the air or Fantastic while he is mid stretch, he is simply too slow at the best of times but is taxed strecthed thin and carryiing Gambit and a ton

If I had to Monet could Ram him which takes out Gambit as well, Bison could fling him or ram him taking out Gambits as well, Tspheres could blitz or blast taking out Gambit as well.

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@dextersinister: @iheartzombies92:

Just trying to read along. Keep up the good work. Just remember no controlling the actions of another opponent.

#7.No Mind or Soul Rape or Controlling Anyone -All Other Soul/Mind Attacks Count

@iheartzombies92: Quick question before I reply, can you prove Jack has a travel speed at multiple times the speed of sound?

@iheartzombies92:

I am going ahead under the assumption that I have seen the best of Jack from your scans and that mach speed let alone hypersonic travel speed is beyond his means.

No, he didn't, he stopped it from coming down. Supporting it. As in, he held it, stationary in the air for a few seconds.

Would you please read what I right. I said he supported, I asked you if he lifted it, the answer is no and his ability to lift is lessened as he distributes his mass.

A coffee table can support weights it cannot lift. ***

Everyone who reads Strode "buys it", Luther is also no slowpoke himself. And Luther could only tag him when they started fighting close range, hand to hand. No, it's not the style, blurring isn't present anywhere else done like that. That is clearly showing how he's moving so fast, he is a blur. Good for her, it wasn't his intention to "knock a building", nor could he, as he was fighting inside.

The artist didn't draw it. Superman barely ever visibly breaks the sound barrier, and yet he flies at FTL speeds. Your point?

Your right on the Superman part, they don't include it every time but once is enough.

You actually need something to show someone can move at these speeds other than the same flawed logic that people use to claim certain anime characters are hypersonic+. Sonic Boom, statement of actual speed, distance and time frame or outracing something with a measurable speed such as a jet.

Well, yes. That's how flying works. I'm not saying he can float in the air or control his flight, but he could cover large distances through the air using strength and speed. This is less flying, more controlled jumping.

So you where actually comparing jumping which was never shown to go that high as it was in the confines of a building to actual to flight, I don't feel I really need to say anything here. ***

Yeah, a wide canyon. So how big is this set up? The canyon, from the measurements given, looks to be at least a mile and a half wide to four miles at some points. We could easily go around. Jack especially, with his superspeed and reflexes could just sprint around, as per my original plan. I've shown Mach + speed for Jack, Cap, Kleiser is as fast as Cap (if not faster), the Thing doesn't need superspeed as it can just assimilate a bird and fly over the conflict, Gambit will be elsewhere and Reed can tank any artillery shots.

Refutted Jacks speed and Cap can run at best 60 mph on a straight road so how where you possibly expecting him to keep up with Jack? ***

The rest will just have me repeating points.

A gauntlet? So, your team? And would your team not be in danger too? And what about my gauntlet? Like I've said before, the second the match starts, Jack will head forward - glue trap or not - and attack with his blades. Another thing, how tall is the artillery set up? Jack could, you know, leap over it, as he has leaped great heights before. So he could start attacking your team, Cap could be sniping (and yes, he has fired under fire before), Kleiser could be running without a care in the world for you (considering that Cap would make 500 yards in under thirty seconds, I reckon Kleiser could do it in 25-30) the Thing would fly up as a bird and then go around and blindside your team, while Reed goes up the side of the mountain (he doesn't even need to! He could just hug the wall of the canyon and go around like that) with Gambit protecting him with his own TP and kinetic energy powers.

Why would my team be running towards you?

You have no gauntlet you wasted your prep.

I have refuted Jacks speed.

The rest are not factors as they are either too slow, have useless ranged attacks or are not going this way.

If he feels like it, he could close those 500 yards in under thirty seconds. And depending on the rate of fire/spread of the artillery shots, he could run to the far sides of the canyons and snipe from there.

1000 yards, firing beyond the sand wall at people in cover

Why after long? There are birds flying around. And it could assimilate one during prep time. And no, it'll still have its own intelligence - it is just as intelligent as it always is, even when it is a dog, for example. So my plan is still in place.

But you didn't you wasted your prep and no it wasn't intelligent as a dog, it only showed rational thinking as a human.

Unlikely =/= impossible. He can. Why couldn't he? So you accept this point?

Considering the sandwave was shown actively grasping at someone I won't humour you, no, there is no hope in hell of Jack running on top of it.

Fair enough, I understand. However, any of my team could take the helmet and it could be useful. To be honest I just forgot about it, but giving it to Jack who'll be taking the frontal assault is the most logical option.

If I was targeting whoever was carrying the cargo you could say he would be the most logical.

You forgot to assign it unlike me who had assigned his T-spheres, you suffer for your mistakes.***

The glue trap's weight is no big deal, he could cover half the distance and then simply toss it, the helmet protects him from TP, and he laughs at snipers (r guns in general), if you see my scans.

I saw scan of him dodging a girl with nothing else to distract him. Here's one of GR2099 sniping a more advanced Spidermans webbing with his targeting and lasers as he attempted to get away. Just in case I need to remind you that lasers move faster than bullets, some even believe they are even above hypersonic :P

You don't have the helmet don't repeat this point

Like who? I made a respect thread for him here, and based of his feats of bringing down a building with punches, shattering concrete with his fists, etc. should place him at least at ten tonnes. I can call some of the guys on the battle callout phonebook to settle this, if you want.

That's Luthors respect thread not Jacks :/

so the answer is till no then

It would probably look really bad if you got others to debate for you

He's up to the tourney limit in speed, so he's as fast as her. Unless you plan on sending off Monet (your heaviest hitter), he easily solos your team. With the combination of a glue trap, the anti-superhuman factor blades, and Cap/Kleiser/Thing support, your team will have their hands full, to say the least.

Speed refuted

Helmet not there

I am going to end up repeating this a lot: Jack ran ahead ***

Decent? What does quality have to do with them? And yes, they are relevant. FYI, "100 tonner" means bench strength. Reed clearly wasn't fighting there. He stands there, says "amazing" while Spidey hits him, not doing any damage at all. Fact: Reed cannot be hurt without massive blunt/cutting force, and the only times he has everbeen defeated (and I mean properly defeated) was when guys who are in the billion tonne range stretch him out/tie him in knots. I'm not saying it's impossible to take Reed out using simple strikes/cuts, but it is very hard, and I don't see how anyone on your team is strong enough to take a box off morals-off Reed.

You've completely missed the point again, I stated that I don't need to hurt Reed, Spiderman was capable of knocking Reed over with much less force than I can deliver.

Again, read the earlier part of my plan. Unless the sand wave is over two miles long, it isn't covering the whole canyon. And most of my team could easily toss him to the side. He is a factor.

The wave was generated almost instantly

You mean Reed could? he's not there. ***

Where does it say that? I am using what gear I have to accommodate for your strategy. It's not like I'm saying, "oh, I know your character will be at x at time y, so I place a bomb there" - there'd be nothing to debate about. Me and my opponent did this in our first match. And anyway, even if there is no helmet, he'll be on top of your team before any TPing can happen.

That's exactly what you've done, you attempted to place the helmet on his head after he was targeted. ***

Don't exaggerate his speed***

Like what other things? Your team? Again, with the help of gunfire, the Thing, and Kleiser, they will be toast. How fast is it? How wide? How tall? He can sprint around it, go over it, or simply get there really quickly (500 yards is no big length). He's not getting crushed or puller anywhere.

If you want the answer to these questions watch the video provided

Fine, he doesn't solo

I am going to hold you to that because if anyone is foolish enough to believe that he is that fast then this is you effectively admitting that I've won as the rest are useless

but the Thing, Kleiser, and Cap make this easy for him.

all useless

Yes he is, and yes she will, because if she doesn't, then Jack can easily slaughter the rest of your team. While she's trying to disarm Reed, my guys can pull up and take her down.

Read the mission details, the cliff face is 2 miles high so they cannot simply hop up it. Attempting ?!? she's too fast for Reed to stop

What knowledge wouldn't I have, apart from TP? And anyway, my current strategy is the winning one, same as my first one.

Then why have you gone on about being allowed to change it? ***

What? No I'm not. How? By giving a character a piece of equipment that I have, that he'd logically wear anyway?

What you or I consider is logical is irrelevant you had one helmet and did not place it therefore no one has it.

You also forgot the retroactive Thing prep and changing where you sent your characters. ***

Sure. He could also go around it, or jump over it, easy.

Speed refuted

I thought it was five hundred yards? Doesn't matter, 1000 is also miniscule. Okay, fair enough. What is the firing rate? How many cannons are there? What is the width of the range? My team could go around, or over, or just catch up in barely any time at all (500/1000 yards is tiny for my team, which has pretty fast guys who can cover that in no time)

I said 1000 yards, I reminded you that I could build as close as 500 if I had wanted to.

Reminder of what's happening, Jack is speeding ahead and is taken out, Monet and Bison then go after the package handlers up on the mountain/hill/cliff/whatever

A reminder that you are not running along a race track because of what I did during prep

alter the immediate terrain so that there are huge spikes pointing forward

In front of those spikes will be a hole as Gaara grinds up the Earth to make colossal amounts of sand and then proceeds to grind up the upper layer of ground behind the fortress and in front so that there is plenty for him to work with.

Both the above taken from my prep

No, he tanks bullets

No he doesn't they penetrate his body and these aren't bullets it's a sand coffin crushing him

How is it useless? It can get to the bird during prep-time. And no, the Thing retains its intellect. This part of my plan is solid.

Repeated point, you never did that during prep and no it doesn't have human intelligence as a bird, in fact they where suicidaly dumb even as humans ***

• No he's not, he can cover 500 yards in less than half a minute (and 1000 yards in under a minute) and has insane durability/regen. A factor who gives your team a headache.

Repeated point, 1000 yards, the gauntlet is not a race track, Jack rans ahead

• He gets around the sandwave as I've mentioned, has great accuracy with a rifle, and the cover doesn't sound too great. He's a factor who can mess up your team once they start fighting whether you like it or not.

Repeated point, not a race track, Jack runs ahead

Yeah, he can just jump over it. How high is this cover again? Sniping doesn't mean jack (puuun), he's beyond bullet timing. I've detailed how he (and the rest of my guys, for that matter) can dodge your sandwave. TP is protected by the helmet (and anyway, he will get there in seconds). Spheres and TK are too slow. His dash of barely any distance with support from my team is successful.

Repeated point, filled with unproven abilities, Jack has never jumped that high. Not wearing the helmet

T-spheres too slow! lol. They can go at about 14 mps which is roughly 50,000 miles per hour or in this tournament top speed

No, you simply don't comprehend the Thing's power, he's not giving up any hobbies, rather, he takes your team out from the air. I am not backtracking, everything is per my original plan.

Repeated point and outright lie, below is all you did for prep

In the one hour of prep, Gambit charges up the bullets in Cap's rifle. They each now pack the punch slightly higher than a normal hand-grenade.

I have him using TP on anyone who approaches, destroying T-Spheres/equipment with kinetic energy, and protecting Reed.

I already said he won't be able to destroy them, why did you repeat this point without proving otherwise?

Full control? Eh? No, not full control. Gambit will just "convince" Bison not to attack him. That's not controlling him.

You are outright lying again and about something you said one post ago, below what you said.

his hypnotic charm to turn Bison (whose TK feats don't seem to be too impressive) to our side

And yeah, he can,and he's always been able

Bullsh*t, next your going to say he's always at New Suns level, anyway may as well just end this control point.

T-spheres stopping mind control.

Again, Mr. Fantastic has great feats relating to stretch strength power, and Monet will have her hands full with Jack anyway. You can't have her trying to TP him and attacking Reed at the same time. What ranged attacks? Jack simply slices her up with the blades.

Jack rushed ahead and may I remind you said he cannot solo.

Sure he can, that's his power.

Proof

Compared to what my team have faced, no, not really.

Faced and handled are 2 different things and yes, because most of them haven't faced TK

No, I rather think I have this, as most of my characters are getting around your attacks and taking out your team, apart from two, who are delivering the package. Again, Monet can't be in two places at once. Jack takes her down with help from my team, and maybe a Thingified teammate of yours.

Snatched out of the air by whom, if Monet is busy? No, he is not taxed, carrying just over a tonne is easy for him. He can wrap himself around them, and no one will get to them.

Bison and Monet will need to help your team, because if they don't, when Jack, Kleiser, Cap, and Thing are finished with yours, they'll come down hard on the pair. I've mentioned how Gambit can take out the Spheres. Monet ramming a guy with Reed's durability wouldn't do a thing.

The rest of this has all been refuted by correcting your misinformation. Jack ran ahead and got taken out, Kleiser can't keep up and even if he could is too slow to avoid a sand wave, Thing wasted his time at the start of the match looking for a bird and is too slow, ditto on sand wave, Cap fell behind Jack and irrelevant of canyon size my characters are not 2 miles wide and are behind a sand wave.

I've mentioned how Gambit can take out the Spheres. Monet ramming a guy with Reed's durability wouldn't do a thing.

Mentioned but never proved despite being called on it. ***

Monet ramming a guy with Reed's durability wouldn't do a thing.

Except knock him on his ass, as I said earlier his ability to survive blows is not an issue and regardless my tactic is blitzing it out of his hands as he is mid stretch, ramming, T-spheres,TK are merely fall backs if you ever get around to showng fantastics strength (not support) when he has stretched to the limit

all points with *** are repeats or closed, don't reply to them, replying to an earlier point is good enough and will tidy up the posts.

@dextersinister: @iheartzombies92:

Bumping the Thread, Cause I can :D, good posting. Keep up the good work.

Will reply shortly

Thread closes tomorrow so may want to make it a closer.

@dextersinister: well I'm going to try and close them all tomorrow evening, most of you guys stayed on schedule this time

@iheartzombies92: Alright time for my closer

He didn't push it up, he held it stationary. If I put you under a mountain, would it not collapse upon you? A coffee table cannot lift because it can't do anything, as it is a coffee table.

You never addressed the question I asked multiple times, just continually dodged it

You need to move the ton weight a great distance. You never provided evidence that he could do this while stretched.

Bullets travel at over mach three (depends on the gun).

Luther is faster than bullets, as shown in the scans posted at the start.

Jack is much faster than Luther.

Ergo, Jack is faster than mach 3 (at least).

None of the scans provided ever showed Luthor or Jack travelling that fast, you have horribly exaggerated his abilities. Even if we say they have those reflexes Spiderman at best can dodge a mach 3-4 rifle bullet in motion but struggles or simply cannot keep up with a speeding car let alone move at mach 1.

I will not feel the need to address any further points concerning Jacks travel speed as no evidence was provided.

I'm not saying he can jump a mile into the air and fly for an hour. I was just proving that he can take to aerial combat momentarily, which I did.

No you really did not and it is ridiculous to think that jumping in the confines of a building equals flight.

What? When did I say this?

What? What even is a gauntlet, how did I waste my prep?

No they're not, all but Gambit (who is going a different direction) can cover 1000 yards in under a minute. Also, Cap has a rifle.

When you said what about me running your gauntlet

You wasted your prep by having one character do something that you had never seen him do while the rest did nothing.

This was your last post and you made another statement without proof.

Right, 1000 yards. Just under a minute, then. We get over the sand wall, and then we fire. Also, you don't seem to go into detail about the size of this cover - how big/strong is it? My team can just clear your defense in a jump.

You could have just watched the video that I directed you to rather than repeat this.

Why do you keep telling me I "wasted my prep"? You are allowed to make this decisions mid-combat. That's the point of this debate. And yes, it did. It showed rational thinking as everything it was, be it man, spider-thing, or dog. It shows rational planning as a dog when it evades the humans and then bides its time to attack. Does a Skrull turn stupid when she shapeshifts into a non-human form? No. Likewise, the Thing so far shows intelligence in all forms. Are you seriously arguing that a shapeshifter would lose its intellect by shapeshifting? That'd be a terrible power, which wouldn't work at all.

Go look at your prep.

Yes you can make decisions in combat which you carry out in combat, you do not make decisions and then time travel to perform them.

Why are you comparing a Skrull to the Thing? I will provide evidence. A quote from the novelization and examples of it's lower intelligence when not fully human:

"When attacked, it looks like even a fragment of one of these things will try to survive as best it's able. Even a sample of its blood. Of course, there's no higher nervous system, no brain to suppress a natural instinct like that if it's in the best interests of the larger whole to do so. The cells have to act instinctively instead of intelligently. Protect themselves from freezing, say. Or from incineration. The kind that might be caused by a hot needle, for instance"

This perhaps also accounts for why the Norris spiderhead scurried from its hiding spot when it did. Maybe its body mass was not sufficiently large enough to form an intelligent brain center. Consequently, it didn't know enough not to blow its cover when the men still presented a danger.

The thing as a dog started assimilating dogs as soon as it was put in the cage with them drawing the attention of the humans and leading to it's destruction.

The dog showed no rationale planning it got itself killed because it didn't understand that assimilating would draw attention from the humans and it merely ran from humans trying to kill it, something even a mouse is capable of doing.

It can be if I want it to be, no rule shows that I cannot retroactively change my gear.

Another ridiculous statement, you shouldn't need rules for the obvious.

I have. That looks like a not at all wide, fairly short wave that Jack could leap over easy, or my other team-mates can go around.

Really ?!? I am just going to re-post the video skippedto the part where the guy see's how big the wave got within moments and sh*ts himself and this guy was fighting on par if not better than Rock lee. It then washes over a forest.

Yeah, dodging automatic gunfire from a few metres away. And deflecting other shots with a simple knife. Even above hypersonic? No, surely not! ;)

Sure, lasers do, but there's the actual question of aim - if GR can't get a bead on the guy, how's he planning on shooting him?

Your character is not hypersonic and your actually comparing beams of light to hypersonic :/

The same way I always make sure they do by not forgetting that your character is not dodging this all one at a time, he's attempting to dodge everything at once

This isn't me effectively admitting anything. This is you simply deciding that no one can hurt your team, and that you've won. You're placing your entire plan on a flimsy, one-shot defence that, as I've said, Jack can go over/around, and my other team-mates can go around.

Back to this, how are they fighting alongside Jack when

quote from you

The seconds the battle begins, Jack uses his near-sonic speed to rush to your team

JACK RAN AHEAD

Again, you do not prove this, you just say so. How are they useless? They are all formidable and can hurt you. The Thing, as I have mentioned, can take one of your guys out and get them on our side. My other fighters can go one-to-one.

JACK RAN AHEAD

Again, she'll be tangled up with my team. As I've said, they can hug it (not literally, just stay close) and go around like that, not necessarily up.

JACK RAN AHEAD

once he is quickly dealt with they go after the box, your team have no means of stopping her at range and Bison can teleport, more examples of TK

I am going to skip any further comments on going back and changing your prep.

Yeah he does, users of the Hercules Method stop bullets with their muscles.

Decent durability compared to a normal man but the bullets still penetrate.

Great that it's a coffin and all, but as I've said, he can go over.

Your entire basis combating flight and the grasping sandwave was this scan

He is not taken out, your team cannot achieve that.

You saw how much sand Gaara created by pulling minerals from the Earth within seconds so he could easily make a big hole within an hour as that's all he has to do during prep.

Shown here creating a row of spikes in a split second so I would have no problem creating a line within half an hour

Um... okay? What is your point here?

why are you quoting running times under optimal conditions when these aren't optimal conditions. What do you think Usain Bolts time would be running 1000 yards at my team when they are attacking and have prepped the ground?

All of his speed and strength abilities are proven, and he has shown great jumping feats. He has not jumped that high but with his speed and strength, he easily could.

Entirely based on speculation, terrible logic and overestimation of characters ability.

Okay, that's pretty impressive, I admit.

I am sorry but your new spoiler blocks won't open for me.

No, it really isn't. You just dislike my strategy and instead of refuting it, simply tell me I cannot use items/do things because it is not to your satisfaction.

What are you talking about? I am pointing out that you never did it when you could have.

You do not get to add to prep once the match is under way, everyone should know that

He can charge items, but I agree, 14 miles per second is impressive.

I am aware of his ability to charge items bit you never showed me him charging multiple moving items at range.

*sigh* No, I'm not. Instead of just accusing me of lying, over and over, try and refute some of my points. He can use his charm to influence people's behaviour, not outright control them.

How can you say this when I directly quoted you saying you would turn him against my team.

No, I'm not. You can predict what I will say? Are you precognitive?

Yes and because I revealed the future before it happened it was altered.

Great, but it isn't mind control. That isn't allowed. It's subtle influence.

That's like saying a punch will get past what hammer couldn't, the T-sphere blocks all mental influence. He has created a field to protect an entire city street with a few but rather than waste time posting more scans I should point out that, you have provided no evidence that he can still do this, it requires that you have a conversation with him, it's not Jessie Custers word of god and finally but most importantly it doesn't work on people who are aware of it - I have full knowledge.

Say please. Here's him charging objects at distance (apart from the last one).

The first scan had him deflecting bolts with a blast

Second actually shows him holding the cards he is throwing

last as you pointed out is unrelated

Unless we see some amazing reaction feats for Bison, what's to say a simple rifle shot from Cap won't put him down?

Sand wall! Cover! Caps too slow, but just to impress the rubes

Here he is d*cking with Guile

and here is his durability which has him knocked into a building which then collapses and he emerges unscathed, he can also regen from stab wounds through the chest but the building thing makes that redundant against a rifle.

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No, it wouldn't. The great thing about his power is his malleability - hell, he might even just wait for Monet to come in close and then restrain her, as he regularly does with 100+ tonners. Again, why would he be stretched to the limit? He won't need to stretch a lot here.

You showed a few scans of him knocking back 100 tonners, here's what happens after they get knocked back

One hit to the head and he struggles to get up and he needs Sues help to get Namor off him. I also posted a scan of Thing easily overpowering him. But not important as...

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...he was unable to react to Spiderman tumbling towards him how can he react to Monet at mach 3? The T-spheres can also take him out. Bison can fling him away and all you've shown for Gambit are some feats of him throwing cards and deflecting laser boltss. I showed the T-spheres one shotting tanks and moving over the limit.

You had him stretching to his limit. One last quote for the road

Do it 1300, then 1300, and so on.

Summary for those too lazy to read through the entire tournament.

For prep I had my characters construct a fortified base, cannons spikes, grind up the surrounding area into a bed of sand and make a pit, my opponent does something that Gambit has never done and would have probably killed Cap when he pulled the trigger on charged bullets in the barrel.

Throughout the match he attempted to add to his prep to counteract my actions which simply makes no sense, that's what time travellers do.

He then sent his fastest character at my team expecting him to solo and was continually questioned why I kept saying he died first when he ws up against TP, TK sand waves, T-spheres and a laser sniper before he even reached them. The rest where too slow to keep up with Jack and if you read his strategy where never actually going with him.

Sorry Clayface you weren't needed, he could intercept the slower characters but they don't matter on to what did.

After Jack is buried beneath the Earth Monet and Bison along with 6 t-spheres would have intercepted a vulnerable Mr Fantastic mid stretch where she would blitz the box out of his grasp. She was shown to have immense strength and actually blizting someone away from a point blank gunman.

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@iheartzombies92: @dextersinister: You guys ready to vote?

@lukehero: Go ahead

Woah, just need to post my closer

Go ahead but if it includes any new info I may need to respond, the closing date was yesterday.

@dextersinister: @iheartzombies92: That's fine, let's work toward wrapping it up this weekend.

@lukehero: Cool, thanks

@dextersinister: Nah, no new info, just summing up my argument, really