TRIPLE THREAT TAG: Storm/Jean/Juggernaut VS Sue/Wanda/Hulk VS WW/Mera/Doomsday

damn this ones hard

T3

@koays: Is there perfect teamwork?

X men trio

Jean controls Wanda, Sue, and Mera to go on her side so it’s then: Jean, Mera, Storm, Juggernaut, Invisible Woman, and Scarlet Witch Vs Hulk Vs Wonder Woman and Doomsday

With enough time hiding in Sue’s shield I’m sure Wanda would find a way to put down Doomsday. Or of course she could just stop time and cast a more powerful spell to eventually put him down.

Bloodlusted Sue can defeat Hulk with head force bubble

Mera can suck the water out of Diana

So yea Jean's the mvp

@geekryan: assume yes

Either avengers or dc team take it

Avengers stomp.

this, I would like to add that Jean could mentally control Diana as well as Maxima did.

if Diana goes for the blitz, i can see DC team winning.

Team Avengers should take the majority. Hulk can mental shift whenever he likes it. There is no reason to assume he doesn’t stomp at least 50% of the gauntlet, Doomsday included, here before the real battle even happens, and we have Sue who is well...

I think ww>>jean=sue>wanda>storm>mera.

But doomsday and hulk absolutely dominate juggs so it's between team 2 and 3.

Team DC. Diana and Doomsday's physicals are too much. Diana is also the best tactician here, so can likely strategize the best plan for her team.

Team DC for the Win on the count of Doomsday.

-Sure Wonder Woman can speed blitz, until she runs smack dab into Invisible Woman's Force Field.

-This fight comes down to Juggernaut vs Hulk vs Doomsday really.

-The Females would have already killed each other.

Are they really going to break Sue‘s force field with Wanda’s intervention? Her power being possibility manipulation should always be able to place the outcome according to which her team is accompanied by good fortune, and based off what we have seen from the latest annihilation event(bad writing but still), the force field SHEILD ENTIRE PLANET and TOOK SEVERAL BEATINGS FROM THE VOID AND THE CANCERVERSE FORCE.

Concerning the Immortal Hulk, Bruce who was hallucinating after beeing driven crazy by Xemnu has stated that this will take place hadn’t he been suppressing Hulk all these years:

Wanda’s power is not to fit impossibility into the determining point of events but rather to make the best out of what appears to be possible. If this is possible why can’t she make it happen?

Forget about the rest of the participants lol. Everything written above concludes that the avengers stomp.

I don't think sue can do shit to immortal hulk like what she gonna do

Expolde his head lol he regenerates in a matter of seconds

@huko: Sue is in the same team lol.

@chad_douglas: ........

Lol

Anyway since emmafrostxman do think sue can beat IH

I am curious to know how exactly

@huko: Maybe?

@chad_douglas: Only the Hulk would be of any answer to Jean Grey only on the Avengers team, while the other two would be instantly telepathically dominated. Even then, its not entirely certain Hulk would resist her telepathy since Xemnu regularly messes with Hulk’s head. By feats Xemnu is about on par with your average high tier psychic like Charles Xavier, Emma Frost, and (wouldn't ya know?) Jean Grey.

Avengers won’t be dominating anybody. They probably have the least bit of a chance to win based on the circumstances of both teams, where we have Juggernaut being impervious to most physical hits, Doomsday’s fast acting healing, and Wonder Woman’s superior speed. The best bet on the team is probably Sue for faster acting powers vs Hulk who is not any faster than most on the team who literally use their powers at or faster than the speed of thought.

@pyrofn: Why can’t Wanda who probably needs to contemplate with countless possible outcomes everytime she uses her power at least have some resistance against it? Why can’t Sue’s force fields shield them up from telepathic waves given the impact it should have on Electromagnetic waves’ travel? When has Jean’s tp penetrated any energy force field before? Why can’t Sue take away the visibility of her teammates and then proceed to make Jean’s head explode? And why wouldn‘t Jean go for the rest 4 instead of just these two? No, that is a lie. Xemnu has retarded just Banner and Child Hulk. Immortal Hulk or the current state of Hulk allows Hulk to personality-shift whenever he needs it. He can call out World War Hulk if he needs.

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Leader stated it himself Xemnu can’t do jackshit to world war Hulk. That three-face Hulk is arguably stronger than even World Breaker Hulk because even the latter claimed to have held back multiple times. Hulk letting loose is killing everyone as seen in the image above. Why can’t Wanda unlocks his potential and let him rampage on these other combatants?

Just most. That barely works against serious Hulk. In this match up Hulk is going to be at his most powerful with Wanda’s help. To point that Xemnu feat out as well, while we can clearly see that Xmenu put the helpless Minotaur in the process by which sausages are made with absolute ease using his tendrils we also have the statement from Thor calling Minotaur Hulk-level. Assuming that is true, World War Hulk just one shot a guy who crushed average savage Hulk level being with one punch. Well, Hulk from World War storyline did show plenty of fast healing. A huge while ago the Devil Hulk just merged all of his disassembled parts into one. Why do you think Doomsday’s healing is impressive? Even if it is, we still have Hulk who is going to let loose here. No, the Avengers stomp.

@chad_douglas: 1) “ Why can’t Wanda who probably needs to contemplate with countless possible outcomes everytime she uses her power at least have some resistance against it?”

Because she doesn’t demonstrate it consistently to say that she could. The best she has ever done was reflect a psychic probe once. Not three or even two times. Once. Looking at her history with psychics, Wanda does not consistently deal with psychics. At best, she has to be ready for them to reverse their powers, which is not a guarantee against someone who can simply think “sleep”.

2) “ Why can’t Sue’s force fields shield them up from telepathic waves given the impact it should have on Electromagnetic waves’ travel”

That hypothesis falls apart when considering, again, a characters history with telepathy. In Sues case, she has put up forcefields against psychics before. One case was not psionic, but rather technological (Psycho Man). Another was against a psychic who didn’t even do anything, nor did they think that she could block him (Psilord). Another was when she did get hit psychically by Emma Frost. And to top it all off, the most recent FF/ X-Men crossover has Susan wearing a psi-proof suit to specifically keep out telepaths. The woman who has a forcefield and can turn herself and others invisible to escape physical notice while her forcefield should theoretically escape psychic notice requires a suit to keep out telepaths. The math is easy and it does not favor Susan.

3) “ Why can’t Sue take away the visibility of her teammates and then proceed to make Jean’s head explode”

That is a time waster that favors Jean, who could simply think “sleep” to deal with Sue and everyone else susceptible to telepathy.

4) “ And why wouldn‘t Jean go for the rest 4 instead of just these two?”

Why are thinking as if Jean can only focus on one thing at a time? Not only has Jean shown great multitasking, but again, Jean is out entire crowds to sleep and mind-controlled entire crowds while being inhibited. It is not like she would stop what she is doing to focus on whoever is resisting. She would deal with whoever is susceptible and then deal with the rest who are resisting.

5) “ Xemnu has retarded just Banner and Child Hulk. Immortal Hulk or the current state of Hulk allows Hulk to personality-shift whenever he needs it. He can call out World War Hulk if he needs.

Leader stated it himself Xemnu can’t do jackshit to world war Hulk. That three-face Hulk is arguably stronger than even World Breaker Hulk because even the latter claimed to have held back multiple times. Hulk letting loose is killing everyone as seen in the image above.“

I will take your word on that, but that assertion depends entirely on Hulk’s state of mind, which even then does not guarantee his win since he won’t be focusing on Jean the entire battle. Who Jean focuses on depends entirely on who hasn’t been dropped psionically by her, which would most likely leave only Wonder Woman and possibly Doomsday. I am banking that they will target the big green monster over the human red-head any day of the week. This isn’t even factoring Storm or Juggernaut.

6) “ Why can’t Wanda unlocks his potential and let him rampage on these other combatants?”

Same reason as I stated above on number 1.

7) “ Why do you think Doomsday’s healing is impressive?”

It’s to do with his ability to adapt to his opponents attacks.

As it stands already, Hulk is on his own this match and Jean has plenty of space to work through Hulk’s mind while having the telekinetic strength to shield from whatever fallout comes from the fight or any others who get the bright idea to attack her instead.

Jean is not soloing, but she is a major factor in this battle that keeps this from being a stomp in anyone’s favor. Hulk will have a fight on his hands. He is not one-shotting anybody by any stretch of the imagination, even if he happens to win by some brand of luck or strength he can somehow reach.

Not sure who wins this honestly, it's tough.

What is a head force bubble suppose to do to Immortal Hulk? The guy that already had half his brain blown off and didn't even flinch and the guy that was cut up into dozens of pieces and was still fine and smiling?

@pyrofn:Only the Hulk would be of any answer to Jean Grey only on the Avengers team, while the other two would be instantly telepathically dominated. Even then, its not entirely certain Hulk would resist her telepathy since Xemnu regularly messes with Hulk’s head. By feats Xemnu is about on par with your average high tier psychic like Charles Xavier, Emma Frost, and (wouldn't ya know?) Jean Grey.

Xemnu has failed to affect Hulk with his TP than he has succeeded also the exact context of what was happening with Immortal Hulk is unknown because it seems Leader and Green Scar are also working together and Green Scar seems to have beat up and chained Immortal Hulk inside Banners head, with that said Jean has failed to even sense Immortal Hulks mind and Mentacle who has called Xavier average by her standards has also failed to TP Hulk, so this isn't as easy as you might first think.

@underfire47: This is win by death. Hulk’s healing factor prevents death basically so I’m assuming it isn’t available otherwise Hulk solos the other teams

Eh, Immortal Hulk can still die, he has died twice in the series so far but came back immediately since death just restarts him, but in neither of those instances i mention did he die, he has received similar damages before his whole Immortal Hulk shtick and didn't die either, his healing factor alone prevents him from dying from such things, his immortality brings him back when his healing factor gets bypassed like it was in the 2 instances where he died which both had his healing factor turned off.

@underfire47: Sue can just spam internal force bubbles until he dies then I guess

@emmafrostxmen: If he didn't die when his head was destroyed before, then destroying it over and over again wont do much of anything except make him angrier and then you see where this is going... Also when has Sue ever affected the insides of someone of Hulks level? The guy's internal durability is almost as good as his outter one. A hydraulic press that can bend titanium like paper has struggled to cut apart his exposed heart with an adamantium scalpel. I dunno if Sue can cause him that much internal damage.

Don't see how they are going to kill Juggernaut or Immortal Hulk. Ends in stalemate I guess.

@hulk_like_fire: well if it falls between Juggs and Hulk, we will only have the answer in a few months since Juggs will fight against him on his solo book.

@waitomegastorm: he's gonna fight immortal hulk? What's the issue called?

Juggernaut #2 by Fabian Nicieza

@waitomegastorm: thanks

@underfire47: Sue’s shields have blocked attacks from celestials...

@emmafrostxmen: Sue has a special connection to the Celestials which allows her to harm them and block their attacks, i mean her shields have been broken by Hulk and Ben before and i am sure neither are more powerful than the Celestials. However to further explain how impressive Hulks inside durability is, he once inhaled Pandoras box, an entity capable of destroying our world. The box was measuring at 134 Hercs while 1 Herc was the maximum energy Hercules can unleash in a single blow. Hulk inhaled the energy of 134 of those blows and had his insides tank it.

@underfire47: “Jean has failed to even sense Immortal Hulks mind and Mentacle who has called Xavier average by her standards has also failed to TP Hulk, so this isn't as easy as you might first think.”

Terrible example. Avoiding detection does not make one immune to telepathy. Observe below:

A character can avoid telepathic detection by blending one’s thoughts to a primal level, similar to an animal, as expressed by Wolverine to perhaps one of, id not the most, the most powerful telepath in fiction. Are you gonna tell me that because Wolverine could avoid telepathic detection that he is automatically immune to a telepaths power?

The right answer would be no.

It’s at best a strategy someone could use to sneak up on a telepath. The problem with that is that this is the Hulk we are talking about. Jean is gonna be instantly aware of Hulk, not searching for him on a battlefield while he goes Solid Snake.

I think eventually DC wears the other teams out. This version of post crisis WW had quite a few telepathic upgrades/immunity/resistance feats and literally none of the other women here are on her level physically, hell the second in that department is Mera. I know there are a LOT of variables as to who can tag who first, but I think WW's teams speed + strength and durability will eventually or instantly trounce the others.

Not very likely, that was before Wonder Woman's upgrades.

Sue is not fast enough to stop Wonder Woman if she is not very lucky, the rules say blood lusted.

Team DC because of Wonder Woman's overwhelming speed against the other teams, Doomsday's power in general, and support of Mera.

@pyrofn: You can't say it's a terrible example and then use a terrible example yourself, Jean was not actively searching or trying to sense Wolverine there, he literally tried to ambush her out of nowhere and once she was aware what was going on she then sensed his partner as well. Jean has no problem detecting Wolverines mind when she wants to. With Immortal Hulk however someone was blocking one of their gates to Krakoa and preventing mutants from passing through them for over a month.

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They tried to sense who that is but couldn't find him. They were actively searching for him.

Win only by Death, Immortal Hulk.....

Team DC

@bayman007: how?

@underfire47: It’s not a terrible example the way I used it because it’s being used to describe how one masks their thoughts. It’s a ”how-to do this” guide. If you want an actively searching example, here ya go.

The whole point of masking ones presence is to blend into the environment (I.e. with other minds) so that the telepath in question doesn’t sense you coming when you sneak up on them. Jean in both cases was searching for Logan, but his blocks made it difficult to pinpoint him. As pointed out by even you yourself, Logan can still be affected and located by Jean Grey anytime she wants to look for him. That doesn’t make it easier though because of that hurdle she has to go over. But Hulkes case won’t be like that example. It will be like the teen Jean example I posted before, where she clearly sees him in front of her.

That in turn is why you used a terrible example. Immortal Hulk isn’t gonna be trying to blend in with his surrounding if Jean can already see him on the battlefield. You yourself even state that the telepaths has no idea who they were looking for, so it is entirely possible that he blended his thoughts to hide from them. Hulk won’t be doing that in this battle, so using this as an example of telepathy being ineffective is effectively wrong.

@pyrofn: Hulk doesn't have any psychic blocks in his head, so that example is also bad and the second one is Logan getting a jump on her while she is distracted another bad example, neither of which have anything to do with the Hulk one.

Jean can see him on the battlefield but she can't get inside his head, if she tries she is gonna end up like Mentacle, which is to scream in horror.

Logan's blocks are only one aspect of the point, not the entire point. And yes, Jean is distracted in the second example. Do you understand why I used that example? Or do I have to reiterate myself.

And are you really gonna try to use the "Hulk's head is too horrible for a telepath to withstand" excuse? You should know as well as I do that Jean has faced a hell of a lot worse than what Mentacle has faced in his entire lifetime. You want to look at horrors that no human should ever face? Lets try.

Are you seriously gonna compare the durable mind of a comparably nobody telepath to someone who literally had a telepathic link to her dying friend the moment her powers arose at the age of 10-12?

You are gonna compare Mentacle who had never faced anything comparable to someone who literally felt themself slowly die while trying to save their friends in the middle of a solar storm that led to their replacement by a practical cosmic god?

You are comparing to someone who has the memories of their time as said cosmic god who had their worst nightmare come to life by an object that scaled to a universal level threat?

You are gonna compare Mentacle to someone who had new nightmare's created for her by way of that cosmic god that turned life upside down in such a way she nearly went mad the moment she woke up?

You are gonna make such a stretch of a comparison when the same telepath we are arguing about has the memories of destroying an entire living civilization in her head 24/7, an experience that was so traumThe atic she initially rejected the memories on instinct?

The woman who has the memories of a literal clone of herself who committed suicide with the vendetta that prompted her to try to take Jean down with her ?

But this ancient history, right? Lets fast forward to something more recent. Like when the same cosmic god incinerates her to death as a teenager with Jean's adult soul watching it all go down in front of her eyes.

Or when that same force wipes her memories and traps her in an illusion and Jean's subconscious has to cry out for help because that same bird is trying to mold her into its living host once more and the solution to snap her awake is to kill an illusion of her childhood best friend in front of her eyes.

Team 1

X-Men trio wins. Noone is beating Juggs here. He is literally the most unkillable here. Noone is hurting him. And then you have Jean who can contend with anyone here with her telepathy and powers in general.

Then you have Storm who can.. beat Wonder Woman, just like in the crossover.....