Trigon vs Hades (Saint Seyia)

Tearing the fabric of time space and something that all gemini gold saints show open and close dimensions as well, Hades created a dimension (universe) where anyone who enters did not have the protection of a God would be disintegrated instantly also created a dimension full of life that is infinite, I create a third dimension that is hell where people without divine protection or who have not awakened the eighth sense end up becoming slaves of the will of Hades, Shijiima virgo and able to send adversaries to an infinite dimension BFR , Athena who is inferior to Hades and capable of throw them from within her. 

Skills related to dimensional powers and what is not lacking in Saint seiya.

@drunkhc: I tried to argue , but no one was listening and these freak dbz fans joined the lists

Hades is extremely versatile in terms of barriers.

@thevoidofdeath: I know

I already spoke once and I will repeat I have no problem accepting Trigon as the winner if he is in fact more powerful, the problem was the SS donwnplayers and the saltys fanboys of Dbs.

@aldebaranss: Ignore him in that case.

Don't antagonize dragon ball fans. This topic has nothing to do with dragon ball.

@hypnos0929:

God bless you man. You have no idea how much it means to all of us to finally have someone who isn't arguing out of overwhelming salt and wanking, but actually being able to give a challenge. Hell, your knowledge on Trigon makes me want to learn more about him and Raven by reading the comics.

And speaking of the comics, where do you get this information from? What issue or comic do I have to read from DC?

Hades absorbed power from Cronos the king of the titans.

Titan is able to destroy entire timelines consecutively

@jashro44: "Don't antagonize dragon ball fans. This topic has nothing to do with dragon ball."

Your trying to sustain positivity here and I respect that, but I think your missing the point. He didn't throw shade at the entire fanbase. Just the people who can't accept a loss and took their petty anger to try and downgrade another series with cheap and ignorant claims, which can result in the ruin of a series for someone else. (Like they already did many pages back on this thread. Which is mostly the reason Dragon Ball's name was even dropped here.)

And your response is probably going to be "That doesn't matter". But locking, kicking and even banning can only do so much if issues like these aren't addressed, so people can be aware of who they're dealing with.

Sure act like all of yours do nothing, as if you don't love to lowball DB Verse but if people do that to SSV then they are salty, lowballers

cryers and everything. What double standards are your people

Oh look the trolls want to get another users banned so none can annoy they

@drunkhc:@hypnos_0929@jman88933@roadrabbit

I am no longer via mobile so I will be able to thoroughly give an explanation on where Trigon power levels lie.

*Frist we shall look at his sons ( as they are a pale/weak comparison to Trigon)

Trigon, btw still considered them weak, useless, and Raven had easily (and in a gruesome and bloody manner) take down the oldest of them, Belial (Belial is also the father of Etrigan and Merlin, which make Trigon their granddaddy and Raven their aunt). However Belial, the smartest and older one, seem to have learned something more since then (especially in magic department), and he eventually had taken the hell throne from Lucifer himself, which he defeated and keep him now in a small cage hanged near his throne

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they can relax in that omniversal nexus with millions of universes colliding around and through them, and Belial was knowledgeable, bold and powerful enough to take down Lucifer himself, that hell council will be more like a bump on their way than a real threat.

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His Daughter Raven ( who again is considered weak until; /full potential

Her power levels fluctuate according to the plot. If the plot requires that someone looks stronger or prevail, she won't use her powers for some reason, or her powers will be as low as the plot requires so she loses.

Otherwise, I suppose she will be too overpowered and end the plot right away. Theoretically, she can simply take over the world and make everyone comply. In her kinda evil future self (Titans of Tomorrow story) she simply drained of emotions everyone in more than half of America and make them do whatever she wished. Another time she easily restrained Superman with her magic, was almost about to kill him actually.

Also, the Presence/the Source personally forced Raven to flee from the Heaven gates (she teleported there with an entire team piercing with no problems through the protective veil of all the angel armies after she absorbed the power of Zauriel holy sword). Right after that the Archangel Michael (and here there aren't any doubts it was him) shows up there and admonished angel Zauriel for even thinking that the daughter of Trigon will be permitted to enter Heaven.

The same holy sword had given some nasty wounds to Spectre with his more powerful host ever, angel leader Asmodel, yet Raven managed to absorb its power and merge it with her soul self. And that was still moral on Raven who usually doesn't use her full potential.

Here you have some statements about her peak implied power (which range from universal to more than universal to "can do anything", including at some point, surpassing trigon and these are mentioned through all her history and various incarnations)

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the Anti-Monitor was searching for either of them to use them as his soldiers/allies during his rampage through the multiverse but he was running out of time (neither he or the Monitor could actually find Raven anywhere).

toward her peak, she can operate at universal scale

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Her soul-self is a sort of interdimensional nexus existing in a space between real world and the afterlife realms, also connected to Trigon and his realms (that are implied to not be even part of the main DC multiverse)

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As White Raven, she rather easily contained and controlled an entire universe of souls or summoned emotions from everyone who lives, from the entire omniverse, filter through them and finds a single person she was looking for.

As evil Raven she casually one-shotted her brothers (who had taken from Trigon enough power to destroy Raven, her world, and the universe) and didn't seem to have a use for that power for herself, she just wanted to transfer it into the Titans to transform them in her evil companions and servants to rule the world at her side.

This means she should be beyond or above those universal power levels.

Then, as you saw, she loses to some she shouldn't have to normally. But in her "regular" state she also uses just fractions of the powers and abilities she can use when don't hold back.

TRIGON

Trigon thing is not as much to destroy universes (as making them vanish or disappear) but to consume or absorb all the souls, life and energies from there, leaving behind a hollow, empty, burning or devastated realm. Or sometimes he keeps some peoples there, as slaves or using them as cannon fodder, for his entertainment or needs. He's nigh-omnipotent ( with Raven 100% completely by his side she said in an issue I have to find he would be limitless ).

He absorbed the Heart of Darkness, who contained an unknown number of universes/billions of souls, but he didn't do it in an instant, however it didn't take too long either, was rather fast, and that however was a 5/10th it wasn't Trigon at full power, as he became after. The fact that those Divine beings that created the Heart of Darkness had no idea who Trigon is confirmed that they had come there from a different universe, and they were moving from a universe to another to eliminate evil.

Trigon in a weakened state (1/10 of his power) considered is still powerful enough to destroy Raven (who at her peak is also above universal), her world (main DC, with every known superhero) and her universe (main DC universe).He wasn't lying as Raven had a mental connection with him and would know if so, and she saw he wasn't lying as he mentioned he is not alone and so she finds he has other kids as well, which was confirmed as true a bit later when her brothers show up for the first time.

He did challenge God/doG in Phantom Stranger, along with a bunch of other nasties (Mister E, Neron, Eclipso, Blight and the Sineater):. He had enough power to challenge the likes of the presence/ was confident in his power; level and the presence was pissed and forced phantom to leave. (the Presence is above him and more powerful and can defeat him, but not anywhere as easy as simply will him out of existence.) After that fight, Trigon survived and continued universes conquering.

Ashley

@drunkhc: @drunkhc: So he's pandimensional with control over space and time yet can't escape Hades, then he clearly isn't all to powerful. Also, you have yet to answer my other questions. When struck by Hades sword that person is removed from the Wheel of Samsara and sent to World of Emptiness. Trigon is not part of and never has part Wheel of Samsara, so why would it effect him if he isn't part of that cycle? He also contains thousands of souls, he's absorbed the soul of a universe, exists upon every plain of reality and more.

I don't understand how you think this is a stomp considering Trigon has shown a lot more feats and power, whilst Hades are simply other feats with "Hades > XX" captioned on them. Unless Hades was the one behind that feat then it isn't his feat.

This thread is so funny meanwhile Trigon still solos.

Zalama and Xenoverse Bardock blink the greek mythology by accident.............................................................................................................

And we will keep doing this, if trigger then or not, Is not our problem, let them cry as much as they want

then you deserve all lowballing you get.what you expect dbz fans to stay quiet.lmao

Yes, you see but still denying. By your logic since Naruto survive Molecular Destruction Frieza Namek Saga can't hurt him since the first molecular level thing happens in Majin Buu Saga with Gohan SSJ 2, just because their resist don't mean they would resist Hades as well, Saga is said to be the strongest of all the Golden Saints and yet can destroy souls in a Multi-Galaxy level, the clashes between Shaka and Shiijima created countless Universes and destroyed them, while this DB Multiverse is only 18 Universes, Countless Universes > 18 Universes, Saga can simple burn his cosmos and surpass his limits like all saints already to do, Shura surpass the Initial inflation of the Universe this is sexti. of times FTL, Saga can do the same, Golden Cloths already resist without a scratch a power which have all the power of the Big Bang in a single point but they are easily destroyed by Thanatos even Shiryu confirmed that was the first time that the Golden Clothes are destroyed, Hades is above Thanatos very easily, I don't see any evidence proving that DBX would be a threat for Hades, until you give any feat of resistence, speed or anything I will still saying:'' Hades > >>DB Verse and DB Omniverse.

nothing here is convincing.thanks for proving my point so i will keep my opinion that some teamed up xv characters can beat hades

salty fanboys are trying to downplay Hades because in other threads, Hades was proved to be Superior to Beerus and they don't like that there is a fictional character stronger than they favorite character, so they try to lowball Hades.

Yes, makes sense, we put then in their place and proves that DB is inferior to SS and we deserve Lowballing, I love how db fanboys victimizing themselves, stop crying, and accept, no one will stop saying that a Saint stomp DB verse just because you think we are trying to trigger the salty fanboys, DB fans can say as much they want:''DB character stomp'', but if SS fan says that a SS character stomp, we trigger a fan, when they stop to be crying babies and accept a stomp maybe some people stop to say that a Saint stomp a DB characters

ok then saint seiya fans deserve what they are getting now then(the lowballing and trolling from dragonball fans).not my fault this is happening since you are just getting what you deserve.be my guess keep saying a saint stomp or whatever,it will keep getting worse for saint seiya characters here.its not my problem.be my guess do what you will...

No matter, your opinion don't change the truth Hades, would god stomp all the DB Omniverse.

your opinion can't twist the truth either.hades wouldn't stomp all of dragonball omniverse.some of them teamed up will stomp hades and that is the truth and nothing will change that.

Yes, we love lowball and downplay DB characters, is like we start this right ? Is not like they come with a image saying that Hades was hurted when throw in a wall and are saiyan that he is below wall level durability, we are the villans....

A by the love of god, stop with this victimizing, they are just some salty fanboys who don't accept the fact that SS would destroy DB and then they pick up images downplay characters and when we do the same they all cry like babies saying that we are downplaying their Verse

like i said be my guess.do what you will things will keep getting worse for saint seiya characters here if saint seiya fans don't stop.i will say it again be my guess say what you will.

Team or not, Hades kill them like Insects, Until you give me any good argument, feat, statement or anything proving that they can even touch him, I doubt that anyone in DB omniverse is fast enough to even get close to Hades, the guy who casually blitz 5 God Cloths Saints which in weakest forms cross a Billions of Galaxies in minutes and are above Thanatos which power was able to cross the Hyperdimension and the real Universe until reach the Earth in some seconds, no one in DB Omniverse would be able to touch Hades before he destroy their atoms and souls, Hades is above Thanatos which was strong enough to destroy Golden Cloths with one attack, which already resists without any scratch a Universal attack, no one in DB Omniverse is strong, fast or have any hax to kill Hades, just accept, Hades >>>DB Omniverse.

nothing here is convincing enough to prove hades can beat them.you ask me to give a feat or prove they can beat hades???well i don't need to because you are not convincing in the first place so there really is no point for me to do it...my point stands.the teamed up characters still god stomp hades...and zalama destroys the saint seiya verses like they are fodders

@joviolma: nothing you posted proves hades beats the teamed up characters either.so i don't need to prove anything since you can't prove anythingn in the first place.lolololol.

you think hades win by pure favoritism not us.we give reasons

zalama has limitless power by statements so he blinks away saint seiya verse.

@joviolma: none of the feats you posted are impressive whatsoever...some teamed up characters still stomp hades.

zalama still blinks away saint seiya verse...there is no proof whatsoever he is below zeno

LOL is very clear that you only is a salty fanboy denying facts, not even read what I posted, is sad to be honest.

@jashro44 So, can you do something about that fanboys ?

I'm tired of getting notifications from this thread. If you guys can't debate civilly don't debate at all.