Trigon vs Dormammu
"Dormy, without too many issues. "
@lord_oraculous016 said:
"Trigon edges him out.. "
@Achilles. said:
"Trigon "
@Fortanono said:
"Trigon. "
Arguments for and against would be nice as this is a debate : )
Any being who is powerfull enough to either trap or take on Eternity more than once, is a very powerfull and feared being. As powerfull as Trigon is written/percieved to be, I just don't believe that DC have put him on par with someone like Dormammu, who's a constant threat to 616, not just a team. I believe Dormammu has more feats that are constant and put him where he is.
And yet he has on many occasions shown power levels significantly lower than being able to imprison Eternity (I'm ignoring the fact that this was written a long time ago when character power levels fluctuated more than my bank account).
So I'm looking at his more consistent power level - something more in line with sky-fathers.
" @CosmicSpiral said:Did you see his appearance in Doctor Voodoo? Beaten by skulls and ravens. The Dread Lord's stock has fallen far." Both of them have been slacking lately. "This is true. "
" @Silver2467 said:everyone has to fall sometime" @CosmicSpiral said:Did you see his appearance in Doctor Voodoo? Beaten by skulls and ravens. The Dread Lord's stock has fallen far. "" Both of them have been slacking lately. "This is true. "
" @CosmicSpiral: Let's not underestimate Dr Voodoo the Loa are pretty powerful. "Dormammu used to be Classic Strange's prime enemy. Half the time he lost because he has to keep promises not to directly attack Strange, making all his plans convoluted and strange. But now he gets punked on his own turf by someone who just gained the power and is drawing upon the power of weaker deities? *shakes head*
" @CosmicSpiral: Weaker dieties you must no nothing of the Loa. of course I'm speaking from the stand point of a practitioner but I don't think their so much weaker as lesser used because they're inherently Afro/Haitian and their aren't that many Afro/Haitian superheroes. "A practitioner? Cool. Tell me more.
I'm not being ignorant of the Loa's powers. But they have to show me a lot more to convince me they're on the level of the Vishanti.
You can see Fate's helmet under Hawkman's carcass, bear in mind this is a future that didnt come to pass in the Booster Gold series that showed what would have happened if the Teen Titans had not been around to stop Trigon, also they find a Kyle Rayner without any knowledge of becoming a GL (not sure wich version of Fate that would have been around at the time).
And what happened the last time Trigon visited Earth.
" @Nelomaxwell said:The Loa are skyfather level group of gods just like the Norse, Egyptian, Olympian, Japanese and other mythical gods. All of these gods except for Mikaboshi were descendants of the Elder Gods. So they are weaker than the Elders. The Vishianti are Principality level group of extra-dimensional abstracts above Elder gods. Oshter may have once been a daughter of the Elder Gods, but when she was taken as a part of the Vishianti, her omnipotence became multiversal." @CosmicSpiral: Weaker dieties you must no nothing of the Loa. of course I'm speaking from the stand point of a practitioner but I don't think their so much weaker as lesser used because they're inherently Afro/Haitian and their aren't that many Afro/Haitian superheroes. "A practitioner? Cool. Tell me more. I'm not being ignorant of the Loa's powers. But they have to show me a lot more to convince me they're on the level of the Vishanti. "
@CosmicSpiral said:
" @Nelomaxwell said:" @CosmicSpiral: Let's not underestimate Dr Voodoo the Loa are pretty powerful. "Dormammu used to be Classic Strange's prime enemy. Half the time he lost because he has to keep promises not to directly attack Strange, making all his plans convoluted and strange. But now he gets punked on his own turf by someone who just gained the power and is drawing upon the power of weaker deities? *shakes head* "
Well sometimes, Dormammu invokes on entities much more powerful than he. Cyttorak for instance. Oh and if you're talking about Dr. Strange on the last sentence than what dieties to you speak who are weaker than Principalities like Dormammu?
Typically only the head figure of the pantheons are considered skyfathers, and they are skyfathers in more than name. When Odin passed on his title to Thor, Thor needed to inherit the Odinforce to be his father's equal and only surpassed him by exceeding Odin's own trials." @CosmicSpiral said:
" @Nelomaxwell said:The Loa are skyfather level group of gods just like the Norse, Egyptian, Olympian, Japanese and other mythical gods. All of these gods except for Mikaboshi were descendants of the Elder Gods. So they are weaker than the Elders. The Vishianti are Principality level group of extra-dimensional abstracts above Elder gods. Oshter may have once been a daughter of the Elder Gods, but when she was taken as a part of the Vishianti, her omnipotence became multiversal." @CosmicSpiral: Weaker dieties you must no nothing of the Loa. of course I'm speaking from the stand point of a practitioner but I don't think their so much weaker as lesser used because they're inherently Afro/Haitian and their aren't that many Afro/Haitian superheroes. "A practitioner? Cool. Tell me more. I'm not being ignorant of the Loa's powers. But they have to show me a lot more to convince me they're on the level of the Vishanti. "
The Elder Gods are merely the forerunners of the pantheons, not their superiors by any means. Chthon and Set devoured their own kind to increase their power while others like Oshtur increased their own through knowledge.
Oshtur was an Elder God and mastered magic. Her power was already considerable before she created the Vishanti, and there's no indication that it was increased by the union.
@ThaJuggernautKick said:
Invoking another entity does not mean that you are weaker than that entity. It means the entity is powerful in the specific type of task you seek to perform i.e. Cyttorak is well-known for binding spells so someone like Dormammu or Strange invokes that particular spell. Strange himself had invoked spells tied to Dormammu before he learned his true nature.Well sometimes, Dormammu invokes on entities much more powerful than he. Cyttorak for instance. Oh and if you're talking about Dr. Strange on the last sentence than what dieties to you speak who are weaker than Principalities like Dormammu? "
I'm talking about Doctor Voodoo.
I know nothing of Trigon except that-- it very much seems like the creator was reading Doctor Strange when he thought of him.
But anyways Dormammu has held his own with Agamotto who is literally the Mystical power of light (Agamotto's appearance alone draws back the extra dimensional demonic entity Nightmare) aswell Dormy has defeated the Phoenix Force. And don't forget being made out of pure mystical energy Dormammu can't die, as long as there is someone in some dimension who would worship him.
Dorammu summoning Cyttorak. Win.
Why would Dormammu summon Cyttorak and how would Cyttorak win this for him ..
Dorammu summoning Cyttorak. Win.
Why would Dormammu summon Cyttorak and how would Cyttorak win this for him ..
Dont you dare question my masters power!
So much power of the power, of the power, of the..... power.... of... pow...... I'm hungry now.
@cadencev2: LOL no idea what to add, although nothing there talks about Cyttorak :p i was surprised to see him being mentioned.
@cadencev2: LOL no idea what to add, although nothing there talks about Cyttorak :p i was surprised to see him being mentioned.
I thought Obama summon Cyttorak to win his election both times. So I thought Dormammu could do the same to beat Trigon.
Trigon
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