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That part was the poisons illusion and still wouldn’t matter because Mayuri isn’t slow.
Mayuri has no speed feats.
That was simple banter. On panel feats prove that was only banter.
Funny because all we see him do is experiment or reference how he expirements or reference experiments
That isn’t an excuse as he later said that his on guard body was tough, if it wasn’t he would‘ve simply avoided the shield and cut him continue to cut him in base instead of going into his shikai.
chapter 666 and 667 proves otherwise Kenpachi never attacked his body on guard so how would he know how durable it is?
Uuuuuuummmm you do realize the scan you posted legit has gerard saying he sees no change in Kenpachi and that his blade appears to Be broken therefore “you are at the same level you were to before but with a broken blade looks like I won’t be needing Hoffung” inferring that Gerard indeed need Hoffung for Shikai Kenpachi.
You completely made that up. It’s in fact,
“A rapid rise in spiritual pressure... suggested a Bankai yet I see no significant change.”
Gerard noted a Bankai power conforming he was above his Shikai stage at this point then he put the Hoffnung down because Kenpachi’s blade was in tatters and was going to crush him with a straight up punch.
Going to keep my quote up there to prove what I’m saying isn’t made up anyway Gerard says “A suggested Bankai “ thats proof enough that he saw no change he didn’t not a Bankai power like you are suggesting he only used context clues via Kenpachi changing(skin turning red) The spiritual spressure example also doesn’t work as Again he said he saw no. Difference and if he did see some semblance of a difference it’s null vis him saying himself how he was disappointed then the icing on the cake is when he verbatim states it himself “ Yet I see no significant change“ he clearly didn’t see a difference in Kenpachis Shikai to Bankai boost and even put his Hoffung because of that fact coupled with what looks to him to be a broken Blade from Kenpachi it’s right there on panel and it’s exactly what I just said Leo which is why I’m keeping my quote there maybe give it a read again.
He was referring to this attempt.
Which happened right after that conversation. They later pulled it off in his Adult form but that wasn’t the initial plan. ”It’ll take time” is in reference to the time it’ll take for Toshiro to freeze him to the bone and he’ll need Byakuya to distract him.
Arguement Nullified as Toshiro states “Maximum output” which is in his Adult form.
All Toshiro said was that he was being more considerate than Toshiro would have thought that’s not conceding that’s a comment on Kenpachi’s personality and Toshiro wasn’t trying to battle him there.
Eeeh I guess it’s up to interprentation I see it as Toshiro saying He was considerate for holding back and not cutting him in half while listening to what he has to say.
A Shockwave from a Gerard dozens of times stronger than Shikai Kenpachi is more than dozens of times the power Mihawk can output.
You do realize those shockwaves were only knocking down building?
It’s not a biased opinion it’s honest fact and a casual strike from Zoro means nothing to characters like the Top Espada much less Base Kenpachi and Toshiro.
I’ll bite show me a physical feat on par with Zoro or Sanji‘s from the Espada or even Base Kenpachi.
Power that doesn’t even warrant the attention of the top Espada’s much less Base Kenpachi and Toshiro.
!? You would be hard pressed to actually get feats To back up your claims.
This doesn’t make any sense. First of all you‘re trying to argue that a character is above another because of other debaters “unbiased“ opinions.
It isn’t an opinion though, it’s facts that you have you to rebuttal.
Second of all Dangai Ichigo is above the likes of Bankai Kenpachi and V3 Gerard which you admit is above the OP characters mentioned.
you cannot read then as I said a non Shikai Kenpachi And Bankai Toshiro.
Dangai has no feats or even a statement that puts him at those levels either
Luffy>Dangai>Zoro>Non Shikai Kenpachi>Bankai Toshiro
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