Toshiro (Bleach) vs Ban (SDS) and Escanor (SDS)

VERSUS

Rules:

• Fight ends in Death or KO
• All fighters are at their peak
• Fight takes place in the DBZ wastelands

@ourmanuel@leothegreatest@hittheassasin@shirso

Toshiro.

Ban/Escanor solo

At their peak, I’m willing to back Toshiro based on him shattering Gerard’s sword.

But I can see team winning very easily too.

Adult Toshiro stomps.

Ban solos.

Ban solos. THE ONE can solo. Team stomps.

Ban takes all his energy or rips his heart out. Escanor would be a good counter to the ice as well.

@alextheboss: Dont just Toshiro ice negate ban ability if he froze him ?

Adult Toshiro with no diff .

Team stomps hard. Very, very hard

@ultrashaggy: Ban isn't immortal anymore. His raw durability is just so high he's functionally immortal.

@flashingsabre: His durability wont save him from bankai toshiro , or a zanpaktou .

Toshiro might be able to beat either individually but 2v1 is too much for him here.

Gerard muscled through it no problem, and Ban is much stronger than him.

Ban also has immense cutting and piercing durability now. The Demon King can barely break his skin.

@flashingsabre: Gerard >=Shikai kenpachi >>> Ban .

Holy form gerard >> Bankai Kenpachi >>> Gerard >= Shikai Kenpachi >>> Ban .

Gerard on an another level .

@ultrashaggy: Ban is island+ in physical strength before using strength steal. He's physically stronger than anyone in Bleach, by scaling and easily by feats.

If they were as strong as you say they are then they would have obliterated the entire Soul Palace every time they hit the ground.

Gerard didn’t “muscle” through anything, it’s just how his ability works.

@ourmanuel: Daiguren Hyorinmaru turns off the target's ability. Meaning Gerard didn't bust out of the ice using the Miracle, since the Miracle couldn't activate as long as he was frozen.

He had to have broken free with pure muscle strength. Which Ban easily surpasses.

Lol people do realize that once Gerard "muscled" through Toshiro's Ice to grab him, he got instantly frozen again.

@flashingsabre: by your logic, toshiro’s ice only covered his body, and didn’t actually freeze into his body. Which makes no sense.

@flashingsabre: Gerard could breakout becasue his power is beyond ordinary matter and elements. This was stated by Gerard himself

When are we going to stop pretending that NNT Top-tiers can hang with Bleach’s High-tier Captains?

Stength:

Eyepatch (suppressed) Shikai Kenpachi busted a country level meteor with a one arm swing of Nozarashi. Then without his eyepatch (an increase comparable to a Bankai) and using Kendo (significantly amplifies his power) could only nick V1 Gerards blade. Adult Toshiro managed to completely bisect V2 Gerard’s blade with a casual swing. This puts Adult Toshiro leagues above country level in strength. WAY more than enough strength needed to one shot the sins hundreds of times over.

Speed:

Base Aizen lol blitzed an Ichigo who can react to mach 1,000 while commenting that Ichigo’s nothing to him in comparison to the point where any distance between them is meaningless. That should easily put base Aizen in the mid to high 4 digit mach speeds. Base Aizen isn’t even a transcendent but guess who is? EoS Base Kenpachi. EoS Kenpachi is a transcendent which is a pretty significant boost from Base Aizen. His Eyepatch Shikai is a significant stat boost from his base and him removing his eyepatch is another significant stat boost. That places Adult Toshiro who’s proven he‘s leagues above a full powered Shikai Kenpachi well into 5 digit mach speeds. WAY more than enough speed needed to blitz the Sins many times over.

Abilties:

Adult Toshiro has all the ice abilities of his Bankai but greatly amplified and has the ability to nullify the powers of anything he freezes and after 4 seconds he‘s able to flash freeze any substance he wants.

So here’s the number of ways this fight can go in:

1. Toshiro effortlessly flash freezes the Duo. (The most likely scenario)
2. Toshiro effortlessly blitzes and oneshots the statues(Sins).
3. Toshiro effortlessly seals them with one of his 5 seals.
4. Toshiro stands there and tanks all of the sins attacks until they die from exhaustion.

Ban is way to strong now.

Escanors writing kind of got renji like recently so idk if he can solo adult toshi but ban def solos with low dif

Team stomps.

And lol at Toshiro being 5 digit mach.

I doubt his ice can affect Escanor at his ONE form,and Ban already has high resistance to cold and ice so i don't think Toshiro can freeze him(he was in Hell where there he been frozen to the bones and come back again and again for hundred of years until his body adapt to this and wasn't affect by that)

Wait i just realize OP said that all characters at their peak,so that mean Ban still has his immortality

That completely stomp for Ban

@flashingsabre: Kenpachi in shikai , with eye patch on , casually sliced up an island - small country sized meteor , with a casual sword swing .

Bankai 5x multipiler .

Kenpachi's eye patch 3-5x multipiler .

And Gerard beat Kenpachi , even without his holy form , and Toshiro beat Gerard , even with in his holy form .

@leothegreatest: this may end up being for the worst of Bleach debaters but he could only achieve the meteor feat because of his ability.

The first time this came to me, it was because I knew that the meteor is a product of the Visionary which should hold Gremmy's potency. With MY scaling the potency at that level is weeeeeelll beyond country busting and I thought that feat was accomplished by strength. These two findings don't go together because if the extra damage beyond the blade point is only by strength, then Kenpachi's strike should have erased, well pretty much everything literally. The original thought was that his physical strength is country level, but with lore and scaling, destroying that meteor would be impossible if that were so since it's a product of Gremmy's reiatsu and possesses his potency, plus it was two of him, so I thought about the situation for a bit.

Kenpachi's shikai can cut anything (below his spiritual pressure defense potency) as long as his blade makes contact so the size of that meteor wouldn't matter because his shikai ability would cause him to cut any length of it.

His bankai would allow him to cut anything no matter the distance away from him. He doesn't have to make contact though the target in question must be within his range of potency.

May make lowballers downplay even more and I just wanna share my findings, but the fact of the matter is, he's very far beyond country level even in just base, no denying that fact.

@zxc6: toshrio can freeze all matter including fire theirs nothing they can do

And toshiro is wayyy faster than any of them

Prime ban is still immortal, he gave up his immortality post training, so prime ban is immortal and post purgatory...

Prime escanor is the one...

Immortal post purgatory Ban, and the one curb.

@zxc6 said:

Not really how things work. See the thing is, who gets frozen by Toshiro's power is almost entirely dependent of reiatsu. He can't really affect people with far more reiatsu than him (depending little on the ice potency itself) even if they have zero natural resistance. Eg. A dude in Bleach could have a fire ability but weak reiatsu an can barely burn someone. He can then increase his reiatsu but not the flame temperature and vaporize said character. Temp resistance is almost out of the question. Unfortunate for debating purposes but many things in Bleach are like that, I really do mean many. There's even a mechanic where no one without powerful reiatsu (outside the verse chars) can percieve a character Lt level or above without some kind of extremely potent sensing ability that needs to be more and more potent with increasing power even though they aren't really that fast. Reacting is kinda out of the question since their movements are in a "much slower plain". Hard to explain now but it's kinda crazy.

Series example. Rukia freezes a dude with her shikai which is absolute zero, the dude could resist it's effect and overcome it then was frozen to shards of ice easily after she went bankai. You can't go any colder than absolute zero, all that happened was an increase in her spiritual pressure. Her ability would have gottened negged by by a dude Shiro was iceburging. Btw if she had much less spiritual pressure but that same ability, she couldn't affect any sternritter or gotei captain and lieutenants with that ability.

@kingfrieza: really doesnt matter toshiro auto sends him to hell

@undre: can he do that without a heart? A flash freeze might would beat a snatch, but that's going to beat snatch in a who hits first exchange...

also durability feats for it? It would have to get near the one without getting destroyed, when even his soul almost killed a commandment trying to eat it even before noon.

@alextheboss: He can't even see him tho It's impossible