top DCEU trio vs top FOX trio vs top MCU trio (no abstracts)

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DCEU trio:

Reborn Superman (post JL)

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Prime Ares (WW feats & Olympus invasion/Apocalyse invasion feats)

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Post nuke Doomsday

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FOX trio:

Silver Surfer

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fully powered Apocalypse

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Phoenix powered Jean

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MCU trio:

Prime Thor (as of Wakanda battle)

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Prime Captain Marvel (end of CM and Endgame)

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Endgame Thanos

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If you don't personally view my trio to be a perfect "top" trio for each series, than just treat this as random trios please. In any case, which trio is the strongest, and which is the weakest?

Fight on an indestructible planet. No BFR. Basic knowledge for all.

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#2 Eri_Joni  Online

FOX in a stomp.

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#3  Edited By Thoromdil

DCEU should win here. Jean is the only threat for them, but after one shoting fodders 3 on 1 they can handle her.

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Wanda >> Endgame Thanos

Don’t give me the She’s a perfect counter excuse, because she overpowered him, and broke his Vibranium cutting sword while going hand to hand with him.

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@thoromdil: Just a curious question,are you and Turr the same person cause everytime he comes online you come too.

How does Jean not turn them to ash?And she is not the only threat here.

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Fox, and it's not close.

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#7  Edited By Soratoumiga

FOX stomps hard here. It's not close.

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So basically DCEU trio vs Fox trio.

Fox should win this with mid diff

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FOX without any real difficulty here

They’re all planetary or City level they could

Oneshot anyone they fight here

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@georgewbush: how is apocalypse 1 shotting anyone here his offense is piss poor silver surfer is the same way. Fox only wins cause of jean. Team dceu mops team marvel through.

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LMAO FOX stomps so bad that the other debaters aren't even focusing on them xD

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Team FOX stomps.

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Any DC solo

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FOX >> DCEU > MCU

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DCEU > MCU > FOX

Fox = Glass canon, DBZ style Hax powers which needs 15 minutes to activate.

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Fox >>> DCEU >> MCU.

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So FOX vs EVERYONE. FOX, and it’s not even close.

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Fox >>> Dceu>>> Mcu

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Lmao when they give Jean the PF but then say "no abstracts for MCU"

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This fight is probably

FOX >>>>> DCEU >>> MCU

Even if Fox has to fight both Dceu and mcu at the same time it still a stomp lol

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You could debate some of the fox team as being more powerful than most mcu abstracts, Surtur and even Ego on his moon would still lose to them.

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This fight is probably

FOX >>>>> DCEU >>> MCU

Even if Fox has to fight both Dceu and mcu at the same time it still a stomp lol

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Fox with almost no difficulty.

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Fox in an utter mismatch!

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@eri123: Jean really is overrated bro. She is yet another easily breakable glass canon. Not to mention, she lacks feats to turn anything even remotely as durable as Sups or Doomsday to ash. She can turn human level beings to ash, what makes you think she can overcharge Doomsday's energy absorption powers, that really seem limitless without the use of kryptonite?

As of me and @turr being the same person - no, we're not. It's funny to me that ppl notice such things. You must be like a 3rd person to ask. I actually introduced Turr and his gf to CV some time ago, and we do sometimes argue over stuff here I guess. He sometimes hints me when he posts something interesting. We barely agree on anything though, mostly because that lazy ass has never had a comic in his hand and only posts on movies and books like lotr.

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#26  Edited By Thoromdil

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Lmao when they give Jean the PF but then say "no abstracts for MCU"

technically, Jean is just a host for PF so she is not an abstract in herself. Similarly to Verse, who is a host to abstract-like powers of the Tesseract... and Surfer, who is a host for power cosmic.

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@thoromdil said:
@rajjar said:

Lmao when they give Jean the PF but then say "no abstracts for MCU"

technically, Jean is just a host for PF so she is not an abstract in herself. Similarly to Verse, who is a host to abstract-like powers of the Tesseract... and Surfer, who is a host for power cosmic.

Problem is, people treat her as an indestructible planet-buster due to the flashback and the last shot of the movie.

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If your gonna Include Jean give Thanos the stones

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#29  Edited By LordOfAllHumans

@rajjar: Jean had the Phoenix's memories before the scene with Vuk with the Phoenix showing her it's power.

Phoenix bonded with Jean, when it usually destroys whatever it comes into contact with and thus traveled across space just to bond with her.

Jean no longer bled or had any non energy related insides. This is hinted at before the last fight because the Force is flowing through her veins, where blood should be, and when trying to absorb the Force, with Jean's permission, Jean too was being absorbed, due to the bond being established immediately. Upon running tests it was believed it was just her mutation evolving. We know it's the Force but the foremost geneticists on the planet see it as part of her mutation, because they didn't know about the Force. Showing how bonded they were from the start.

Jean realizes she can't stay on Earth in her form and apparently can't just let the Force go as she tried and failed, so she sheds her body and by her own narration and the screen after the fact survives and evolved into the Phoenix Force. No longer flesh and blood for any of these mostly physical fighters to even touch let alone blitz and decapitate. Decapitate what? Someone that already destroyed her own head and became one with an angry energy cloud? We saw what happens when lethal force was used twice, Jean survived. She survived the lethal force of being impaled and the lethal force of being vaporized in space, which would technically be a third lethal force.

The Force has the power to bust planets, Jean had access to that power and is now one with it, ergo the power to bust a planet is well within Jean's power, just like anything one person can do with say the IG everybody can do with it. The difference being the IG doesn't seemingly permanently bond to individuals and can be taken, the Phoenix not so much.

Why would a seemingly indestructible being with the power to planet bust not be treated as such?

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@rajjar: Jean had the Phoenix's memories before the scene with Vuk with the Phoenix showing her it's power.

Phoenix bonded with Jean, when it usually destroys whatever it comes into contact with and thus traveled across space just to bond with her.

Jean no longer bled or had any non energy related insides. This is hinted at before the last fight because the Force is flowing through her veins, where blood should be, and when trying to absorb the Force, with Jean's permission, Jean too was being absorbed, due to the bond being established immediately. Upon running tests it was believed it was just her mutation evolving. We know it's the Force but the foremost geneticists on the planet see it as part of her mutation, because they didn't know about the Force. Showing how bonded they were from the start.

Jean realizes she can't stay on Earth in her form and apparently can't just let the Force go as she tried and failed, so she sheds her body and by her own narration and the screen after the fact survives and evolved into the Phoenix Force. No longer flesh and blood for any of these mostly physical fighters to even touch let alone blitz and decapitate. Decapitate what? Someone that already destroyed her own head and became one with an angry energy cloud? We saw what happens when lethal force was used twice, Jean survived. She survived the lethal force of being impaled and the lethal force of being vaporized in space, which would technically be a third lethal force.

The Force has the power to bust planets, Jean had access to that power and is now one with it, ergo the power to bust a planet is well within Jean's power, just like anything one person can do with say the IG everybody can do with it. The difference being the IG doesn't seemingly permanently bond to individuals and can be taken, the Phoenix not so much.

Why would a seemingly indestructible being with the power to planet bust not be treated as such?

I'm actually fine with that. What I had a problem was is the no abstract rule for the MCU. There are only 4 abstracts in the verse, and none of them have feats.

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Wow, this one has so much wrong in it.

@eri123: Jean really is overrated bro. She is yet another easily breakable glass canon.

The hell are you talking about? She was in an explosion from a space shuttle and was healed and brought back from the dead in that very small amount of time. She literally is impaled through the chest and is instantly healed. Yet she is a glass canon? Get out of here with that because that is absolutely ridiculous.

Not to mention, she lacks feats to turn anything even remotely as durable as Sups or Doomsday to ash.

The force onside her is a casual planet-buster and she access to all its powers. Until I see something that shows Doomsday or Superman can handle power on a planetary scale, Superman and Doomsday will be below her.

She can turn human level beings to ash, what makes you think she can overcharge Doomsday's energy absorption powers, that really seem limitless without the use of kryptonite?

Human level beings? Beings that take down helicopters, get lethally cut, shot at, and fight on par with Beast who casually tosses cars and still get back up to swarm the X-Men are around human level? I don't know who these humans you know are, but I am pretty sure that human beings in general can't take hits from any of what I mentioned.

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@rajjar:

I think we should break Fox Phoenix into 'Avatar of the phoenix' and 'fully realized phoenix'.

Or else every battle will end with, "'Jean doesn't need a body and can planet bust''; which is fine for battles against other 'abstracts', but irritating when debating with a purely physical character.

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@death4bunnies said:

@rajjar:

I think we should break Fox Phoenix into 'Avatar of the phoenix' and 'fully realized phoenix'.

Or else every battle will end with, "'Jean doesn't need a body and can planet bust''; which is fine for battles against other 'abstracts', but irritating when debating with a purely physical character.

I agree completely.

I'm not sure who the OP's referring to as abstracts. Dormammu isn't one, he's just powerful and not fully corporeal. Celestial's aren't either - still organics or techno-organics. The 4 beings who created the stones are, but their names practically give them away.

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Jean solos both opponents teams

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@mattyboi said:

Jean solos both opponents teams

At once and with ease

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FOX without any real difficulty here

They’re all planetary or City level they could

Oneshot anyone they fight here

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@georgewbush said:

FOX without any real difficulty here

They’re all planetary or City level they could

Oneshot anyone they fight here

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Fox stomps Apocalypse and Jean both solo Apocalypse is a million+ tonner with TK and Jean can disinigrate the other teams.

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Fox stomps since MCU has limitations.

It should have been Dormammu, IG Thanos and Surtur or Ego

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DCEU vs FOX

I’d back Fox 6/10

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Any DC solo

Took me a while to hunt you down from a thread that wasnt locked u troll. ill poop on ur head lets argue rn.

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@turr:

Jean is broken, in thread she should be nurses to just the hosts body.

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As it stands Jean solos all teams.

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She is a abstract and should be here.

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Any FOX godstomp solo's

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Fox >>>>>>>> MCU >>>>>>>>>DCEU

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Surfer solos

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@detectivesomerset__ said:
@thanosii said:

Fox stomps since MCU has limitations.

It should have been Dormammu, IG Thanos and Surtur or Ego

They still get fodderized by QS , Apoc they would get a stalemate also :)

Stop wank If it have dormammu he will soloing OP it clealy (no abstracts)

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FOX > DCEU > MCU

Thanos could use a stone or two

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1. Fox Team

2. DCEU Team>=MCU Team

Jean is too powerful to lose here, perhaps more powerful than Surfer