Mace Windu, Master Yoda, Revan, Grandmaster Luke
vs.
Mother Talzin, Darth Nihilus, Emperor Palpatine, Valkorion
Random encounter, Legends feats allowed for all, starting distance 20 meters.
- She wasn't dead.
She was no longer physically anywhere. Call it death or anything else you want, anyway she was not on Dathomir but anywhere and everywhere. Maul communicated on her on his ship in the middle of nowhere. Clearly her powers are not bound to her planet as much as people like to think if she can be effectively NOWHERE and still use force powers to great effects. That is my point.
- Fought Mace to a standstill for mere seconds.
Well a lot of fights in Star Wars universe happen for mere seconds, that doesn't mean they are invalid. If there is a significant gap in power between combatants, the fight tend to end immediately.
Windu fought Talzin for a good couple moments there, it was not a single lightsaber clash exchange or anything, it was a normal fight and nobody had an advantage, that's my only point. The fact she can match Windu and the fact that she BARELY had any power left, and was not on Dathomir is the only point I was trying to make. Full power Mother Talzin is a great threat and definitely a high tier. She is no pushover and she can match Sidious without any trouble.
- Nighsister Magick isn't the same as Sith Sorcery.
Well both Nightsister Magick and Sith Sorcery are just technial terms but they mean the same thing - using dark side of the force for various spells, incantations, force powers and hax.
- Revan isn't just going to get overwhelmed by lightning.
by lightning coming from 4 Sith Lords this powerful? Sure he will.
She was no longer physically anywhere. Call it death or anything else you want, anyway she was not on Dathomir but anywhere and everywhere. Maul communicated on her on his ship in the middle of nowhere. Clearly her powers are not bound to her planet as much as people like to think if she can be effectively NOWHERE and still use force powers to great effects. That is my point.
It's just her becoming intangible and showing up somewhere else, or it's one of her force illusions.
No. It was definitely not. If you follow her story, after Mother Talzin after fighting Mace Windu was stripped of the last of her powers she literally vanished. We only see her as a ghost from that point on, and she took form again only after she stole the body of Count Dooku and drained him from his power. She was not projecting any illusions at the time, it was actually her. Why else would she call herself "returned" if she wasn't gone?
Well a lot of fights in Star Wars universe happen for mere seconds, that doesn't mean they are invalid. If there is a significant gap in power between combatants, the fight tend to end immediately.
Not once did I claim the power gap between Mace and Talzin was reminiscent of the Yoda - Ventress difference. In fact I do believe she's more powerful than Windu.
On that we agree.
Windu fought Talzin for a good couple moments there, it was not a single lightsaber clash exchange or anything, it was a normal fight and nobody had an advantage, that's my only point. The fact she can match Windu and the fact that she BARELY had any power left, and was not on Dathomir is the only point I was trying to make. Full power Mother Talzin is a great threat and definitely a high tier. She is no pushover and she can match Sidious without any trouble.
There are far better demonstrations of power performed by Talzin than stalemating Mace for a short period. Maul has replicated this.
I was just giving an example of her performing impressive feats while not being connected to Dathomir in any way. She does not need to have "fighting location - Dathomir" to be an effective opponent.
Well both Nightsister Magick and Sith Sorcery are just technial terms but they mean the same thing - using dark side of the force for various spells, incantations, force powers and hax.
Yes they fall under the same banner of 'Sorcery' which was never in dispute. But the spells and rituals are performed differently, by a different group of people, and have different effects.
Well maybe at some point, but not anymore. Sidious has traded knowledge with Mother Talzin, learning her force rituals and techniques so he had effectively written that into Sith data.
They are seperate from one another. You don't just see Naga Sadow using voodoo dolls or bringing warriors back from death with spells.
Some Sith Sorcerers like Marka Ragnos had developped Sith Sorcery techniques that can ressurect you from the dead and possess other beings with force-enhanced objects like his Scepter. Like I said, this is two names for the same thing. Sith Sorcerers of the past had many techniques almost identical to Nightsister magic and even if some of that knowledge was forgotten over time now that Sidious have re-learned them from Nightsister magic and most likely added that to Sith holocrons its basically one and the same thing.
Talzin isn't a sith
well she uses dark side right? Revan is technically not a jedi master too, nobody gave him that title. Come to think about it, Luke was never titled a master either. Oh dont forget Valkorion is not actually a Sith just his puppet too. xD Yeah... this is probably just top light side vs top dark side isn't it.
and Nihilus isn't Top 4.
Whoa you lost me there. Who exactly would you put in place of a guy like Nihilus, who can kill an entire planet with a shout?
"This is my world. My people, the Miraluka, see its beauty not with their eyes, but through the Force. They do not see it has less than an hour to live. Katarr was a world filled with Force sensitives, and it called to my lord. Aboard his dead ship he hungered through the Force, drew sustenance from death. My people never saw his face when he struck, but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died. The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force, the screaming of countless lives. As the Miraluka see life through the Force, we can see death as well."
―Visas Marr (Star Wars: Unseen, Unheard)
On topic, Team 1 wins decisively. Luke can likely take Sidious, Windu can stalemate Talzin, Yoda can about match Valkorion and Revan beats Nihilus.
I think team 1 can probably win this, but not the majority. Since majority of team 2 relies on force powers they are likely to kick off with a combined force storm. That is going to absolutely destroy team 1, most of them can't survive that initial blast. Team 2 can provide such ridiculous force lightning/drain together that only Luke and Yoda can ever hope to mitigate this amount of AoE damage with tutaminis. Come to think of it, I don't think even Yoda is up to the task. After all RotS Sidious was already powerful enough to give him trouble with his lightning. This Palpatine gets legends feats, and he has 3 powerhouses adding their lightning to his. You see even guys like old Yoda absorbing all that, really?
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