Toneri vs Raditz

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Toneri (Naruto) vs Raditz (DBZ)
Toneri (Naruto) vs Raditz (DBZ)

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  • Win by KO or Death
  • Random Encounter

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Dis gun b gud

Any DB thread vs Naruto or Saint Seiya ends up being a comedy show, lmfao.

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Raditz

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Any DB thread vs Naruto or Saint Seiya ends up being a comedy show, lmfao.

No kidding.

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Rad

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Toneri

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This gonna be gud

@jman88933@zokologue... I only known that 2 guys :P To be honest TDP is not very active this week.

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@joviolma: TdP got a week long ban for a troll thread

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Dis gun b gud

Any DB thread vs Naruto or Saint Seiya ends up being a comedy show, lmfao.

LOL, you love it don't you ?

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Obvious GG is GG.

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Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

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#22 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz is Multi FTL with multi-moon level attacks scaling off the much inferior piccolo.

This is a mismatch.

Sike Toneri wins.

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Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

But... Naruto literally overpowered the same moon splitting beam with a punch and imo

Hokage Naruto and Wandering Sasuke < Kaguya

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@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:

Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

But... Naruto literally overpowered the same moon splitting beam with a punch and imo

Hokage Naruto and Wandering Sasuke < Kaguya

Kaguya is a bad h2h fighter (got tagged by Sakura, blitzed by Kakashi, blitzed by Naruto) and would try to tank the Moonslicer. Raditz is a highly skilled h2h fighter, outran a Kamehameha (FTL feat) and would easily outskill Toneri in h2h. I am a huge Toneri fan but the guy just has a glass jaw per the canon. That makes Toneri a classic glass cannon-type character. He can one-shot low intelligent overpowered opponents like Kaguya (who needs Black Zetsu to feeds her commands) but anyone who just dodges the moonslicer and has better physicals can just pound him out straight up.

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@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:

Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

But... Naruto literally overpowered the same moon splitting beam with a punch and imo

Hokage Naruto and Wandering Sasuke < Kaguya

Kaguya is a bad h2h fighter (got tagged by Sakura, blitzed by Kakashi, blitzed by Naruto) and would try to tank the Moonslicer. Raditz is a highly skilled h2h fighter, outran a Kamehameha (FTL feat) and would easily outskill Toneri in h2h. I am a huge Toneri fan but the guy just has a glass jaw per the canon. That makes Toneri a classic glass cannon-type character. He can one-shot low intelligent overpowered opponents like Kaguya (who needs Black Zetsu to feeds her commands) but anyone who just dodges the moonslicer and has better physicals can just pound him out straight up.

Kaguya was stomping SPSM Naruto who is > BSM Last Naruto by feats (bar striking) and Kaguya was out of his, Rinnegan Sasuke, Sakura and DMS Kakashi's league, they only kept up due to Kaguya's mindset, her spamming dimension swap and the Seals Hagaromo gave them.

Not to mention iirc Toneri (BSM Naruto level) was stated on par with Madara (Naruto and Sasuke's teen level) while Momoshiki (comparable to Adult Naruto and Sasuke) was stated on par with Kaguya (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi's massive superior) so yeah

Basically

Kaguya > Momoshiki (Fused) > Adult Naruto/Sasuke > Madara > Teen Naruto and Sasuke > BSM Naruto (Last)/ Sasuke > Toneri

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#26 Posted by Antonio_1996 (1809 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:
@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:

Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

But... Naruto literally overpowered the same moon splitting beam with a punch and imo

Hokage Naruto and Wandering Sasuke < Kaguya

Kaguya is a bad h2h fighter (got tagged by Sakura, blitzed by Kakashi, blitzed by Naruto) and would try to tank the Moonslicer. Raditz is a highly skilled h2h fighter, outran a Kamehameha (FTL feat) and would easily outskill Toneri in h2h. I am a huge Toneri fan but the guy just has a glass jaw per the canon. That makes Toneri a classic glass cannon-type character. He can one-shot low intelligent overpowered opponents like Kaguya (who needs Black Zetsu to feeds her commands) but anyone who just dodges the moonslicer and has better physicals can just pound him out straight up.

Kaguya was stomping SPSM Naruto who is > BSM Last Naruto by feats (bar striking) and Kaguya was out of his, Rinnegan Sasuke, Sakura and DMS Kakashi's league, they only kept up due to Kaguya's mindset, her spamming dimension swap and the Seals Hagaromo gave them.

Not to mention iirc Toneri (BSM Naruto level) was stated on par with Madara (Naruto and Sasuke's teen level) while Momoshiki (comparable to Adult Naruto and Sasuke) was stated on par with Kaguya (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi's massive superior) so yeah

Basically

Kaguya > Momoshiki (Fused) > Adult Naruto/Sasuke > Madara > Teen Naruto and Sasuke > BSM Naruto (Last)/ Sasuke > Toneri

Fused Momoshiki is inferior to Adult Naruto. He got completely stomped in h2h by Naruto when he went SPSM in the manga and easily got defeated once Sasuke joined him. Not to mention that he was nerfed before the fight even began since he got his chakra drained for god knows how long. Imo, it's more like this :

Kaguya>Adult Naruto/Sasuke>Momoshiki(Fused)>The Last Naruto/Sasuke>Madara>Teen Naruto/Sasuke(Six Paths Sage Mode)>Toneri.

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#27 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8081 posts) - - Show Bio

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Toneri

any reason(s) why?

Damn, that will take I long, I hope you can read until the end.

Well, for my knowledge in DB and Naruto everything that Raditz have is DC that is moon level + by power scaling, whatever I doubt a little about the moon feat, according to Toriyama the distance between the Moon and Earth in DB is the same as real life, but the real problem is that Toriyama don't take this account, we have some evidences by the manga and statements by characters strongers than Roshi, when Piccolo uses all his energy according to Goku, he was only able to destroy the Tournament Island and Goku even said that he never feel anything like that before, even though that he is a ''moon'' buster.

Chapter 190: ''Piccolo destroys Everything''

http://i10.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/190/dragon-ball-1949645.jpg

http://i7.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/190/dragon-ball-1949663.jpg

Actually even Piccolo the Guy who easily defeat a Saibamen was impressed and terrified by a crater made by Nappa, even though that he is a ''Moon'' Buster.

http://i6.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/217/dragon-ball-1949797.jpg

What I want to say is that, the moon in DB is likely less durable than our Real moon, since Piccolo was able to destroy her very casually but against Goku he need to release all his energy in order to destroy the Island, actually Goku in DB classic climbs until the moon very casually, but takes 6 months to cross 1.000.000 KM :P

Toneri is faster, The Z warriors in Saiyan Saga are stronger than Raditz, they take like 2-3 days to cross the Snake Way which have 1.000.000 KM, Goku takes 28 hours by calculations, so his movement/travel speed was Mach 29-30.

72/28= 2.57

That means Goku was 2.57 times faster than the Z Warriors that means that their speed is Mach 11+, lets say that Combat speed is 10 times faster than the Travel speed, that puts Raditz with Mach 110 + in speed.

Was already calculated and accepted that Raikage's speed is Mach 2720 +

Let's calculated Toneri's speed by Naruto's Incomplete KCM feat:

Raikage is only 4 inches from Naruto's face so we have what calculate:

To find the time frame Naruto had to dodge raikage, I'll the time it would take for Raikage to connect with Naruto's face.

Time = Distance / Speed

D = 4 inches

S = Mach 2700

4in / 2700Mach= 80.6135944 microseconds

Speed = Distance / Time.

4ft /80.6135944 microseconds= Mach 32.427 + Naruto with his KCM Incomplete.

Toneri was able to keep up with Naruto using the KCM+ Sage mode, that puts him above Mach 2720+ speed and by the calculation, above Mach 32.427 +

He is stronger, physically speaking, no DB character have a big physical feat to be honest, at least in that time, Goku with 3.000.000 PL was able to kick Frieza and throw him some Islands and miles away, that makes Goku strong as hell, but again, we don't have any kind of good physical feat for Raditz, actually Goku with 416 PL have trouble to move with 10 times gravity, Raditz is only 3 times stronger than him, so that means Raditz can lift at least 100-400 tons, I not take account Mercenary Tao's feat because is kind of contradictory, we see later lesser physical feats that are not even close to Tao's level, is most likely because DB at that time was likely a Gag comic.

Again, I will scale Naruto to Toneri, Naruto was able to clash punches with Kaguya's chakra arms which are obviously above the Juubi Jinchuuriki's Chakra arms(By power scaling, Madara was said to have a chakra greater than Juubito, and Sasuke said that Kaguya's chakra far is greater than Madara) which casually destroys the 4 CRF which was tanking the Juubidama that can cross countries in seconds and destroy entire cities(her Shockwave can be feel even countries away)Actually the Juubi's Jinchuuriki barrier, which tank 4 Juubidamas are said by Shikamaru(A genius with a IQ above 200) to be in the same level as the Kages

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111245356/4826826-7215247445-p_000.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/5073179-8083544485-HWfr4.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-feae66ed6364d48b589cc765b8cf076c

No scans of the barries :P sorry, but you can found in youtube the anime scene(is canon)

I don't uses Ki as a example because, Ki was never proved to be a heavy energy, only destructive.

And TSBs possess a kind of weight, as we see in the manga when the TSBs fall in the ground while in the gravity dimension , Toneri makes a Moon Size Beam and easily move her and cut the Hollow moon in half, in RL, is needed 115 octillion joules. (1.157e29 J), this is 766.666.666.666.666.666.666.666.666 stronger than a Karate Punch(Calculated by Professor Tom Steiger)

And he have better hax, TSBs destroy everything and anything in a molecular/atomic level and if you not possess the SPC, you don't have any way to protect from it.

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@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:
@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:

Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

But... Naruto literally overpowered the same moon splitting beam with a punch and imo

Hokage Naruto and Wandering Sasuke < Kaguya

Kaguya is a bad h2h fighter (got tagged by Sakura, blitzed by Kakashi, blitzed by Naruto) and would try to tank the Moonslicer. Raditz is a highly skilled h2h fighter, outran a Kamehameha (FTL feat) and would easily outskill Toneri in h2h. I am a huge Toneri fan but the guy just has a glass jaw per the canon. That makes Toneri a classic glass cannon-type character. He can one-shot low intelligent overpowered opponents like Kaguya (who needs Black Zetsu to feeds her commands) but anyone who just dodges the moonslicer and has better physicals can just pound him out straight up.

Kaguya was stomping SPSM Naruto who is > BSM Last Naruto by feats (bar striking) and Kaguya was out of his, Rinnegan Sasuke, Sakura and DMS Kakashi's league, they only kept up due to Kaguya's mindset, her spamming dimension swap and the Seals Hagaromo gave them.

Not to mention iirc Toneri (BSM Naruto level) was stated on par with Madara (Naruto and Sasuke's teen level) while Momoshiki (comparable to Adult Naruto and Sasuke) was stated on par with Kaguya (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi's massive superior) so yeah

Basically

Kaguya > Momoshiki (Fused) > Adult Naruto/Sasuke > Madara > Teen Naruto and Sasuke > BSM Naruto (Last)/ Sasuke > Toneri

Fused Momoshiki is inferior to Adult Naruto. He got completely stomped in h2h by Naruto when he went SPSM in the manga and easily got defeated once Sasuke joined him. Not to mention that he was nerfed before the fight even began since he got his chakra drained for god knows how long. Imo, it's more like this :

Kaguya>Adult Naruto/Sasuke>Momoshiki(Fused)>The Last Naruto/Sasuke>Madara>Teen Naruto/Sasuke(Six Paths Sage Mode)>Toneri.

By Naruto/Sasuke I mean as individuals while Naruto and Sasuke means together. Fused Momoshiki is superior to Naruto and Sasuke individually but is far weaker than both together.

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#29 Posted by Guayusa (64 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:
@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:

Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

But... Naruto literally overpowered the same moon splitting beam with a punch and imo

Hokage Naruto and Wandering Sasuke < Kaguya

Kaguya is a bad h2h fighter (got tagged by Sakura, blitzed by Kakashi, blitzed by Naruto) and would try to tank the Moonslicer. Raditz is a highly skilled h2h fighter, outran a Kamehameha (FTL feat) and would easily outskill Toneri in h2h. I am a huge Toneri fan but the guy just has a glass jaw per the canon. That makes Toneri a classic glass cannon-type character. He can one-shot low intelligent overpowered opponents like Kaguya (who needs Black Zetsu to feeds her commands) but anyone who just dodges the moonslicer and has better physicals can just pound him out straight up.

Kaguya was stomping SPSM Naruto who is > BSM Last Naruto by feats (bar striking) and Kaguya was out of his, Rinnegan Sasuke, Sakura and DMS Kakashi's league, they only kept up due to Kaguya's mindset, her spamming dimension swap and the Seals Hagaromo gave them.

Not to mention iirc Toneri (BSM Naruto level) was stated on par with Madara (Naruto and Sasuke's teen level) while Momoshiki (comparable to Adult Naruto and Sasuke) was stated on par with Kaguya (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi's massive superior) so yeah

Basically

Kaguya > Momoshiki (Fused) > Adult Naruto/Sasuke > Madara > Teen Naruto and Sasuke > BSM Naruto (Last)/ Sasuke > Toneri

Fused Momoshiki is inferior to Adult Naruto. He got completely stomped in h2h by Naruto when he went SPSM in the manga and easily got defeated once Sasuke joined him. Not to mention that he was nerfed before the fight even began since he got his chakra drained for god knows how long. Imo, it's more like this :

Kaguya>Adult Naruto/Sasuke>Momoshiki(Fused)>The Last Naruto/Sasuke>Madara>Teen Naruto/Sasuke(Six Paths Sage Mode)>Toneri.

Look guys, if we are counting Boruto feats, then Adult Sasuke & Naruto jobbed to Shin Uchiha pretty hard who is way below Toneri-level. He was literally putting them down with sharp throwing objects IIRC. I'm going by the facts here, no one in the Narutoverse split anything bigger than what Toneri split, which was their moon. Toneri has the top on-panel destruction feat in the verse. Kaguya might be planet-level, but she didn't get a chance to display that due to her loss as a result of her being the inferior battle tactician. Everyone else is below these in terms of damage output.

The point is, Toneri is a top tier opponent and his moonslicer would be a one-hit kill for anyone in the Narutoverse who tried to tank it. Let's be realistic, adult Sasuke got hurt by sharp objects, if he doesn't dodge the moonslicer he would be dead in a split second. Naruto overpowering it was just plot, but I'll give him moon-slicer+ defense, but not moon-slicer+ offense.

If Raditz tried to tank the moonslicer from Toneri, he'd die, but if you watch how Raditz fights Piccolo & Goku there is no way he would tank an attack that has a chance of killing him. He's one of the smartest fighters in DBZ. He analyzes every attack before it connected.

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#30 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@antonio_1996 said:
@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:
@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:

Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

But... Naruto literally overpowered the same moon splitting beam with a punch and imo

Hokage Naruto and Wandering Sasuke < Kaguya

Kaguya is a bad h2h fighter (got tagged by Sakura, blitzed by Kakashi, blitzed by Naruto) and would try to tank the Moonslicer. Raditz is a highly skilled h2h fighter, outran a Kamehameha (FTL feat) and would easily outskill Toneri in h2h. I am a huge Toneri fan but the guy just has a glass jaw per the canon. That makes Toneri a classic glass cannon-type character. He can one-shot low intelligent overpowered opponents like Kaguya (who needs Black Zetsu to feeds her commands) but anyone who just dodges the moonslicer and has better physicals can just pound him out straight up.

Kaguya was stomping SPSM Naruto who is > BSM Last Naruto by feats (bar striking) and Kaguya was out of his, Rinnegan Sasuke, Sakura and DMS Kakashi's league, they only kept up due to Kaguya's mindset, her spamming dimension swap and the Seals Hagaromo gave them.

Not to mention iirc Toneri (BSM Naruto level) was stated on par with Madara (Naruto and Sasuke's teen level) while Momoshiki (comparable to Adult Naruto and Sasuke) was stated on par with Kaguya (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi's massive superior) so yeah

Basically

Kaguya > Momoshiki (Fused) > Adult Naruto/Sasuke > Madara > Teen Naruto and Sasuke > BSM Naruto (Last)/ Sasuke > Toneri

Fused Momoshiki is inferior to Adult Naruto. He got completely stomped in h2h by Naruto when he went SPSM in the manga and easily got defeated once Sasuke joined him. Not to mention that he was nerfed before the fight even began since he got his chakra drained for god knows how long. Imo, it's more like this :

Kaguya>Adult Naruto/Sasuke>Momoshiki(Fused)>The Last Naruto/Sasuke>Madara>Teen Naruto/Sasuke(Six Paths Sage Mode)>Toneri.

Look guys, if we are counting Boruto feats, then Adult Sasuke & Naruto jobbed to Shin Uchiha pretty hard who is way below Toneri-level. He was literally putting them down with sharp throwing objects IIRC. I'm going by the facts here, no one in the Narutoverse split anything bigger than what Toneri split, which was their moon. Toneri has the top on-panel destruction feat in the verse. Kaguya might be planet-level, but she didn't get a chance to display that due to her loss as a result of her being the inferior battle tactician. Everyone else is below these in terms of damage output.

The point is, Toneri is a top tier opponent and his moonslicer would be a one-hit kill for anyone in the Narutoverse who tried to tank it. Let's be realistic, adult Sasuke got hurt by sharp objects, if he doesn't dodge the moonslicer he would be dead in a split second. Naruto overpowering it was just plot, but I'll give him moon-slicer+ defense, but not moon-slicer+ offense.

If Raditz tried to tank the moonslicer from Toneri, he'd die, but if you watch how Raditz fights Piccolo & Goku there is no way he would tank an attack that has a chance of killing him. He's one of the smartest fighters in DBZ. He analyzes every attack before it connected.

Exactly, they Jobbed. As in PIS.

Toneri and The Last Naruto and Sasuke are Moon level while Kaguya is Planet Level..

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#31 Posted by Guayusa (64 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:
@antonio_1996 said:
@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:
@chaos239 said:
@darkvortex15 said:

Toneri is definitely one of the strongest Naruto characters, he can probably one-shot anything in his respective verse such as Kaguya with a direct hit from the moonslicer attack he has in his pocket. The only issue is that Raditz, per the canon, is faster than the speed of light and dodged Piccolo's blast which should be on par with the moon slicer. Remember, the moon only has 1.2% of the Earth's mass and the Naruto moon is supposedly hollow so it's probably much less. So basically, this is a pretty even match in fire power but Raditz wins due to Toneri's weak h2h feats. He can just blitz Toneri, dodge the moonslicer and KO him with a shot to the jaw.

But... Naruto literally overpowered the same moon splitting beam with a punch and imo

Hokage Naruto and Wandering Sasuke < Kaguya

Kaguya is a bad h2h fighter (got tagged by Sakura, blitzed by Kakashi, blitzed by Naruto) and would try to tank the Moonslicer. Raditz is a highly skilled h2h fighter, outran a Kamehameha (FTL feat) and would easily outskill Toneri in h2h. I am a huge Toneri fan but the guy just has a glass jaw per the canon. That makes Toneri a classic glass cannon-type character. He can one-shot low intelligent overpowered opponents like Kaguya (who needs Black Zetsu to feeds her commands) but anyone who just dodges the moonslicer and has better physicals can just pound him out straight up.

Kaguya was stomping SPSM Naruto who is > BSM Last Naruto by feats (bar striking) and Kaguya was out of his, Rinnegan Sasuke, Sakura and DMS Kakashi's league, they only kept up due to Kaguya's mindset, her spamming dimension swap and the Seals Hagaromo gave them.

Not to mention iirc Toneri (BSM Naruto level) was stated on par with Madara (Naruto and Sasuke's teen level) while Momoshiki (comparable to Adult Naruto and Sasuke) was stated on par with Kaguya (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi's massive superior) so yeah

Basically

Kaguya > Momoshiki (Fused) > Adult Naruto/Sasuke > Madara > Teen Naruto and Sasuke > BSM Naruto (Last)/ Sasuke > Toneri

Fused Momoshiki is inferior to Adult Naruto. He got completely stomped in h2h by Naruto when he went SPSM in the manga and easily got defeated once Sasuke joined him. Not to mention that he was nerfed before the fight even began since he got his chakra drained for god knows how long. Imo, it's more like this :

Kaguya>Adult Naruto/Sasuke>Momoshiki(Fused)>The Last Naruto/Sasuke>Madara>Teen Naruto/Sasuke(Six Paths Sage Mode)>Toneri.

Look guys, if we are counting Boruto feats, then Adult Sasuke & Naruto jobbed to Shin Uchiha pretty hard who is way below Toneri-level. He was literally putting them down with sharp throwing objects IIRC. I'm going by the facts here, no one in the Narutoverse split anything bigger than what Toneri split, which was their moon. Toneri has the top on-panel destruction feat in the verse. Kaguya might be planet-level, but she didn't get a chance to display that due to her loss as a result of her being the inferior battle tactician. Everyone else is below these in terms of damage output.

The point is, Toneri is a top tier opponent and his moonslicer would be a one-hit kill for anyone in the Narutoverse who tried to tank it. Let's be realistic, adult Sasuke got hurt by sharp objects, if he doesn't dodge the moonslicer he would be dead in a split second. Naruto overpowering it was just plot, but I'll give him moon-slicer+ defense, but not moon-slicer+ offense.

If Raditz tried to tank the moonslicer from Toneri, he'd die, but if you watch how Raditz fights Piccolo & Goku there is no way he would tank an attack that has a chance of killing him. He's one of the smartest fighters in DBZ. He analyzes every attack before it connected.

Exactly, they Jobbed. As in PIS.

Toneri and The Last Naruto and Sasuke are Moon level while Kaguya is Planet Level..

You can't have it both ways though. Raditz was stronger than Piccolo who vaporized the moon in literally 2 seconds from Earth with a casual blast. Toneri is not even moon-level technically, he's a moon-slicer level, which is still impressive, but not nearly as impressive as this:

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So if Naruto & Sasuke get moon-slicing level by scaling off Toneri's feat, then Raditz gets moon-level+by scaling off by beating the crap out of Piccolo. How do you know Sasuke or Naruto can slice a moon when they have never shown anything near this level by feats? Either way, if we go by the feats, Raditz has the tools to wrap this fight up at light speed.

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#32 Posted by SuperGoku17 (7220 posts) - - Show Bio

Toneri stomps

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#33 Posted by Oreoghoul (2655 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: wow, great analysis! appreciate the effort

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#34 Posted by Asurakj (1132 posts) - - Show Bio

Toneri oneshots also momo isnt strong as adult sasuke or naruto only reason it happened was because of plot. Stop light speed raditz wank, also stop using him as he has no feats for anything.

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#35 Posted by Marc_55 (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

How Toneri is one shotting anyone in Naruto, when he specifically failed to do so much as harm Naruto, is beyond me.

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#36 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19670 posts) - - Show Bio

Toneri seemed more impressive.

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#37 Posted by DrunkHC (750 posts) - - Show Bio

Any shinobi rank S wins from Raditz until Hidan would do it.

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#38 Posted by MainJP (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I've seen Toneri curbstomps.

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#39 Edited by azrael1973 (2984 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz by power scaling. He is more powerful then piccolo, who actually has a real moon busting feat.

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#40 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4520 posts) - - Show Bio

Toneri.

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#41 Posted by Thenewguysnm1 (7545 posts) - - Show Bio

@mainjp: no raditz tanked the same attack piccolo busted the moon with without any damage the moon splitter will do nothing

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#42 Edited by AlexTheBoss (19670 posts) - - Show Bio

@drunkhc said:

Any shinobi rank S wins from Raditz until Hidan would do it.

No, not even close. Raditz can spam above mountain level blasts like nothing via on panel feats. Nobody below Madara or Hashirama level even has a chance against him.

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#43 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8081 posts) - - Show Bio

@mainjp: no raditz tanked the same attack piccolo busted the moon with without any damage the moon splitter will do nothing

Would, is made of TSBs which destroy everything in a molecular level and ignore durability.

There are lots of statements and feats proving that the moon buster thing is a outlier, or plot moment, or simple because in DB the moon easier to destroy than in real life.

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#44 Edited by Antonio_1996 (1809 posts) - - Show Bio

Toneri curbstomps.

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#45 Edited by ElderElijah190 (2104 posts) - - Show Bio

What's going on here? Raditz wins. He's multi moon level via scaling,disregard his scaling or not but it's not changing anything. Inb4 an outlier or gag feat refute.

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#46 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenewguysnm1:

If Piccolo used a moon level attack on earth against Raditz who was standing on the ground it would have done way more AOE damage than it did.

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#47 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8081 posts) - - Show Bio

What's going on here? Raditz wins. He's multi moon level via scaling,disregard his scaling or not but it's not changing anything. Inb4 an outlier or gag feat refute.

No, honestly speaking, Toneri would destroy Raditz.

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#48 Edited by Cooldes (4908 posts) - - Show Bio

Wank so strong.

Raditz casually stomping goku and piccolo at the same time, while piccolo is a confirmed moon buster, shows he easily godstomps.

Anyone arguing toneri is obviously wanking at this point and should be ashamed

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#49 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@cooldes: Can you show me one other instance of piccolo doing anything close to moon level?

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#50 Edited by JOVIOLMA (8081 posts) - - Show Bio

@cooldes said:

Anyone arguing toneri is obviously wanking at this point and should be ashamed

If choose the winner is something wrong, I think almost everyone in there is wrong.