Tokita Ohma & Imai Cosmo vs Nightwing & Red Hood (H2H only)

• Pre/New 52 DC
• Perfect Teamwork
• Standard Mindset
• Both sides wear normal sport clothes
• H2H only
• Victory by death, Incapacitation, K.O. or capitulation

Fight in here, start at the opposite ends

Callouts

I’ll back the Kengan team. Ohma is ridiculously skilled and hits like a goddamn freight train, and Cosmo can put either of them to sleep with his zone/python combo.

I don't know the first 2.

@indomitableregal: Both in comic book peak human strength(strong enough to crater concrete and take hits in that area), peak human speed (faster than sound, Imai has shown to be able to react to a guy that had 75 ms reactions), skilled martial artists (Street fighting & Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for Cosmo) and a technique called "Niko-style" for Ohma, it's basically a mixture of different techniques including things like hardening your muscles to take less damage

@rac95: Ah. Sounds like they may be a bit much for the DC duo.

@rac95: Where did you get faster than sound from? Nobody in the series is close to supersonic.

@kingcrimson: You have Akoyo dodging a bullet and ripping a guys throat out, Tokita deflecting a full speed tip of a whip (which actually is faster than sound, hence the sound), you could argue Kuroki dodging bullets during his training and as mentioned they fact that Imai for example can operate in a time frame under 0.1 seconds (first explanation of the zone during the fight against Adam Dudley) and Akoyos speed, who gets topped by the rest of the (more important) cast

@rac95: Akoyo’s bullet dodge is the only legitimate one so far IMO, and reacting to a supersonic projectile doesn’t make you faster than sound. Kuroki’s bullet timing is due to pre-cog and 0.1 seconds although fast isn’t a supersonic time frame.

I think the speed of the series is underrated, but I think supersonic is a little too fast at the moment.

@kingcrimson: Akoyo speaks for himself, we have Ohma deflecting against the tip of a whip (faster than sound) and to separate statements from Akoyo that Imai is improving his speed, which is also shown due to the fact that he can partially dodge him

Fuck. Got the ping WAYYY too late. But as someone who's read KA and the sequel series. I'm backing Team Kengan. Ohma is faster and was casually shattering huge boulders in base form at one point.

ohma could solo

@streak619: I think there’s a marked difference between reacting to something at that speed and actually having combat speed on that level. I wouldn’t claim every person who’s deflected a bullet to have supersonic speed, personally.

Inaba’s feat looks like legit bullet timing to me honestly, and absent any context I would say it was. However, the series is pretty grounded and makes a point of explaining all the feats as “realistically” as possible. If Inaba could truly perceive and deflect multiple automatic rounds at point blank range, it would make him faster than Kuroki, Niko etc.

In fact, IIRC, during both Niko’s and Kuroki’s bullet timing feats, the narrator states that reacting to bullets after they’re fired isn’t possible, and then proceeds to explain how they both deflect bullets through pre-cog or aim deflecting. It wouldn’t make sense for two of the god tier characters to be on that level when people like Inaba can just smack bullets out of the air with pure speed.

@streak619: Flowing Edge isn’t that complicated a manoeuvre, he just deflects it in essence. It doesn’t mean he’s supersonic.

It wasn’t more than a few feet away - definitely no further than Kuroki was when he blocked the rifle shot. What supersonic feats do they have?

How can the feats disagree when the author takes time out to explicitly explain that they are not in fact bullet timing?

@streak619: a few milliseconds change in his “pattern“ of changing forms IIRC, which threw Kuroki’s timing off. Nothing about that makes either of them sonic in speed.

The author mentions more than once in the manga that reacting to bullets isn’t possible:

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It doesn’t even leave anything open to interpretation. To just wilfully ignore those 2 statements when looking at other bullet timing feats seems silly to me.

Akoyo‘s seems the most legitimate, but he’s stated to have superhuman reflexes. Ohma’s whip feat seems legitimate too, but that’s nowhere close to deflecting automatic gunfire at close range.

Bump

Team 1 high diff, Cosmo can take too much punishment

if it was standard gear then team 2 wins easily, h2h only team 1 high diff

Kengan stomps. They literally tank and deliever concrete-shattering blows.