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Toji Fushigoro

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Sasuke still blitz

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Toji beats his ass honestly. Sasuke being faster is hard to argue imo, but not impossible- I just don't think it matters really though. Toji stats him in sooo many significant areas- durability, skill, strength, stamina, experience, intelligence.

Sasuke simply cannot win here.

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#5  Edited By Raziel2014

Sasuke dies horribly, Maki during her fight with Hanami showed physicals on par with Gated Lee in terms of power, Toji is far stronger than Maki at that time he crushes sasuke so bad he turns him into meatpaste

Toji touching Sasuke is akin to a human stepping on an ant on the ground.

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Sasuke dies horribly, Maki during her fight with Hanami showed physicals on par with Gated Lee in terms of power, Toji is far stronger than Maki at that time he crushes sasuke so bad he turns him into meatpaste

Toji touching Sasuke is akin to a human stepping on an ant on the ground.

LMFAO

Base guy from part one would beat the living shit out of Sukuna and Gojo physically, let alone Toji.

what feats does Toji have to beat Sasuke?

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Sasuke .

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Toji completely styles on Sasuke

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#12  Edited By SixPathsOfCapra

Genjutsu gg or Toji. Don't recall kid sasuke's genjutsu being a thing. So Toji wins.

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lol sasuke takes this mid diff to high diff.

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Sasuke still gonna blitz the shit outta toji lol.

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Sasuke dies horribly, Maki during her fight with Hanami showed physicals on par with Gated Lee in terms of power, Toji is far stronger than Maki at that time he crushes sasuke so bad he turns him into meatpaste

Toji touching Sasuke is akin to a human stepping on an ant on the ground.

Maki's Playful Cloud boosts the users strength. without it she wasn't impressive

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@nozak: what manga panel/scan says playful cloud boost strength?

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#19  Edited By KingCrimson
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@nozak: what manga panel/scan says playful cloud boost strength?

That’s not exactly what it says, but it’s not far off. Playful Cloud is the only Special Grace Cursed Tool that doesn’t have an imbued technique, its ability is just pure solid power, so it will be stronger if a stronger person is using it.

With that said, it’s a special grade tool precisely because it allows users to output power above what they’re capable of without it.

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By the start of Chunnin exam Toji could slap the shit out of Sasuke

But by the end. Sasuke had the curse mark and he was statuting Mach speeds. Not to mention he now has chidori and speeds close to gated Lee and by all means low near Jounin level.

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#21  Edited By MaulSmacker
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But by the end. Sasuke had the curse mark and he was statuting Mach speeds. Not to mention he now has chidori and speeds close to gated Lee and by all means low near Jounin level.

Canonically, Chunin level, like high chunin level tops.

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#22  Edited By galaxium

@maulsmacker: Sasuke was probably Chunin level from before the exams and before training for handling the Demon brothers, blitzing Zabuza clones, and threatning Haku. I'm convinced that he was mid Jonin by the end of the exams after acquiring the Sharingan, Chidori, and Lee's speed.

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#23  Edited By ManimalMan

@galaxium: definitely not mid jonin lvl.

The range of chuunins is the widest of any ninja ranks. Sasuke post exam got his ass beat by casual sakkon . The sound 4 together with their lvl 2 curse marks active nearly died fighting 2 low-mid jonin.

Sasuke was definitely chuunin lvl before the exams but even though he got several times stronger, he was still in the range of a chuunin.

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#24  Edited By galaxium

@manimalman: Sakkon was stated to be the strongest of the 4 and Sasuke was stated to have not fully recovered from hospital and just finished fighting Naruto as well. The fact they were beaten by people who are arguably much weaker than Sasuke proves he would have defeated them one on one if he was at full. But it was neither one on one nor Sasuke was at full.

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@saxz said:

But by the end. Sasuke had the curse mark and he was statuting Mach speeds. Not to mention he now has chidori and speeds close to gated Lee and by all means low near Jounin level.

Canonically, Chunin level, like high chunin level tops.

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Characters punching far above their official Ninja ranking isn't a rare occurrence. Naruto beat a Chunnin back in chapter 1, even before graduating. Sasuke schooled two chunnin during the Zabuza arc despite being an amateur Genin. At this point Sasuke is arguably greater than base Gaara and should definitely be a threat to Low jounin levels like Ebisu

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Manga Sasuke>manga Toji.

Anime Sasuke>anime Toji.

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Toji > hebi Sasuke

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Does Sasuke even have a way to hurt Toji?

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@saxz: jonins are the elites like kakashi and guy. then there is the ''tokubetsu jonin'' that's an in between rank for chunin and chunin. and chunin being a broad category itself. sasuke was still a chunin till he activated his curse mark 2, only then did he become a ''tokubetsu jonin''. that's it

Manga Sasuke>manga Toji.

Anime Sasuke>anime Toji.

what? lmao. the anime = manga in this case.

Does Sasuke even have a way to hurt Toji?

no

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Sasuke smokes Toji

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@yoroshi0 said:

@saxz: jonins are the elites like kakashi and guy. then there is the ''tokubetsu jonin'' that's an in between rank for chunin and chunin. and chunin being a broad category itself. sasuke was still a chunin till he activated his curse mark 2, only then did he become a ''tokubetsu jonin''. that's it

Manga Sasuke>manga Toji.

Anime Sasuke>anime Toji.

what? lmao. the anime = manga in this case.

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Does Sasuke even have a way to hurt Toji?

no

Huh neat notifications working now.

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Manga Sasuke>manga Toji.

Anime Sasuke>anime Toji.

what? lmao. the anime = manga in this case.

Manga and anime have different feats for both. Toji without anime feats is trash that would get slaughtered by Jirobo or weightless Lee.

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#33  Edited By MaulSmacker

@saxz said:
@maulsmacker said:
@saxz said:

But by the end. Sasuke had the curse mark and he was statuting Mach speeds. Not to mention he now has chidori and speeds close to gated Lee and by all means low near Jounin level.

Canonically, Chunin level, like high chunin level tops.

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Characters punching far above their official Ninja ranking isn't a rare occurrence. Naruto beat a Chunnin back in chapter 1, even before graduating. Sasuke schooled two chunnin during the Zabuza arc despite being an amateur Genin. At this point Sasuke is arguably greater than base Gaara and should definitely be a threat to Low jounin levels like Ebisu

being a threat =/= being equal, Sasuke is super intelligent so you can say he is near the pinnacle of chunin level, Ebisu is a special Jounin, any proper Jounin like raido, genma, anko (tho she is elite) or shizune is definitely destroying sasuke, I mean neji is relative to Sasuke in speed and he got blitzed by a sick Gemma, the kids may be handy and crafty, but they don't have the stats to challenge a jounin.

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Toji > hebi Sasuke

Hebi Sasuke would solo JJK without only Gojo being debateable, Toji gets destroyed.

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@yoroshi0:

jonins are the elites like kakashi and guy. then there is the ''tokubetsu jonin'' that's an in between rank for chunin and chunin. and chunin being a broad category itself. sasuke was still a chunin till he activated his curse mark 2, only then did he become a ''tokubetsu jonin''. that's it

@saxz said:
@maulsmacker said:
@saxz said:

But by the end. Sasuke had the curse mark and he was statuting Mach speeds. Not to mention he now has chidori and speeds close to gated Lee and by all means low near Jounin level.

Canonically, Chunin level, like high chunin level tops.

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Characters punching far above their official Ninja ranking isn't a rare occurrence. Naruto beat a Chunnin back in chapter 1, even before graduating. Sasuke schooled two chunnin during the Zabuza arc despite being an amateur Genin. At this point Sasuke is arguably greater than base Gaara and should definitely be a threat to Low jounin levels like Ebisu

being a threat =/= being equal, Sasuke is super intelligent so you can say he is near the pinnacle of chunin level, Ebisu is a special Jounin, any proper Jounin like raido, genma, anko (tho she is elite) or shizune is definitely destroying sasuke, I mean neji is relative to Sasuke in speed and he got blitzed by a sick Gemma, the kids may be handy and crafty, but they don't have the stats to challenge a jounin.

First off I consider tokubetsu jounin actually Jounins. I believe they were given the jounin rank because they're more or less as capable as a jounin.case in point Genma(a tokubetsu jounin) can stalemate Baki. Baki is actually one of the most skilled jounin from the sand we know at this time. Then again these ninja rankings cover a broad category with there being a lot of exceptions so it's not exactly an accurate way to gauge power.

curse mark 2 Sasuke is able to stalemate Kyubi Naruto and Kyubi can press Haku and make Kakashi and Zabuza actually think twice. So I think CM2 Sasuke would actually defeat any jounin that isn't an elite.

Like I specified earlier, at the end of the chunnin exam he has the stats to challenge a low jounin. He has Lee's speed and whole lot of AP with Childori. I don't expect him to defeat a top tier Jounin but being able to make short work of Gaara already puts him at that level.

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@saxz:

First off I consider tokubetsu jounin actually Jounins. I believe they were given the jounin rank because they're more or less as capable as a jounin.case in point Genma(a tokubetsu jounin) can stalemate Baki. Baki is actually one of the most skilled jounin from the sand we know at this time. Then again these ninja rankings cover a broad category with there being a lot of exceptions so it's not exactly an accurate way to gauge power.

You can consider them proper Jounin, Genma can just be a proper jounin in term of fighting prowess, while chunin level in term of other things such as stealth, tracking, information gathering e.t.c., Baki is strong but he is from a really weak village, the portayal of the sand village is considerably worse than the other four great Shinobi nations while Konoha's is best followed by Iwa and then Mist/Lightning, Sand is never portrayed at that level.

obviously, Genma's statement about Sasuke would be from Konoha standards.

curse mark 2 Sasuke is able to stalemate Kyubi Naruto and Kyubi can press Haku and make Kakashi and Zabuza actually think twice. So I think CM2 Sasuke would actually defeat any jounin that isn't an elite.

The Portrayal of Nine tails goes down with time, when the first time we see nine tails we see that Kakashi was actually worried, and Zabuza deduced that the power was foul and far too immense to belong to the likes of Kakashi, but as the series progresses, even Neji matches KN0 Naruto who is obviously not in Kakashi's league, the potrayal of kyuubi chakra changed.

Like I specified earlier, at the end of the chunnin exam he has the stats to challenge a low jounin. He has Lee's speed and whole lot of AP with Childori. I don't expect him to defeat a top tier Jounin but being able to make short work of Gaara already puts him at that level.

Eh, Nah, Like you said he is weightless Lee level in speed, weightless Lee is below Neji, Neji got blitzed/outpaced by a sick Gemma, his physicals are probably Lee/Neji level meaning he isn't a threat to any Jounin either, the only shot is Chidori landing but that's probably not happening, and his fire is meaningless as every Jounin knows two elements too.

I don't see how Sasuke can beat a Jounin until he gets really lucky.

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@galaxium: the whole reason sasuke went with him is he knew he was weaker than and figured he’d need that kind of strength to avenge his family.

Most jonin would fold chuunin exam sasuke.

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@saxz:

You can consider them proper Jounin, Genma can just be a proper jounin in term of fighting prowess, while chunin level in term of other things such as stealth, tracking, information gathering e.t.c., Baki is strong but he is from a really weak village, the portayal of the sand village is considerably worse than the other four great Shinobi nations while Konoha's is best followed by Iwa and then Mist/Lightning, Sand is never portrayed at that level.

obviously, Genma's statement about Sasuke would be from Konoha standards.

While I do agree sand shouldn't be considered the strongest among the great villages. Saying they are really weak is a stretch. During the chunnin exam you could see the tension their arrival put on Konoha. Konoha definitely didn't think starting a war with them is something they could come out unscathed off.

And like you said Konoha is the strongest of the strongest five nations. so Sasuke being a top tier chunnin by their standards means he is pretty much low Jounin level by most general standards.

The Portrayal of Nine tails goes down with time, when the first time we see nine tails we see that Kakashi was actually worried, and Zabuza deduced that the power was foul and far too immense to belong to the likes of Kakashi, but as the series progresses, even Neji matches KN0 Naruto who is obviously not in Kakashi's league, the potrayal of kyuubi chakra changed.

I don't think the portrayal changed, Kyubi chakra is still considered immense and foul and elicit a shocked reaction everytime even during the Neji battle. I don't see anyone who isn't a notable jounin getting through him easily.

Neji and Sasuke are around the same level at this point.and both barely matched KNO and they both got defeated with Sasuke needing his 3rd Tomoe.

Moving on, CM Sasuke matched KN1 Naruto not KN0 and I don't think anyone outside of an top jounin defeats that.

Eh, Nah, Like you said he is weightless Lee level in speed, weightless Lee is below Neji, Neji got blitzed/outpaced by a sick Gemma, his physicals are probably Lee/Neji level meaning he isn't a threat to any Jounin either, the only shot is Chidori landing but that's probably not happening, and his fire is meaningless as every Jounin knows two elements too.

Base Lee is never said to be below Neji in speed. In Taijutsu and overall technique and defense. Yeah. But in speed they should be around the same level or Lee would be greater. Lee was actually below Neji at some point and wanted the chance to test his skills once more against Neji during the chunnin exam but didn't get that chance

I don't really remember the Genma instance. Maybe you should clarify. I already settled Genma is an actual full fledged Jounin able to stalemate Baki a top jounin from another great village.

I don't see how Sasuke can beat a Jounin until he gets really lucky.

Like I said being greater than Base Gaara while being suppressed by his cursed mark puts him at that level. Gaara one shots chunnins casually. Something only a Jounin tier can do.

Most Jounin would beat Sasuke. yes. But not anyone would beat him just because they hold the title.

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@saxz:

While I do agree sand shouldn't be considered the strongest among the great villages. Saying they are really weak is a stretch. During the chunnin exam you could see the tension their arrival put on Konoha. Konoha definitely didn't think starting a war with them is something they could come out unscathed off.

I mean, the sand attacked with all their might, combined with the sound, while Orochimaru held off the strongest ninja in the village singlehandedly...and...they got stomped by the counterattack, the only reason they even achieved something was because a monster like Orochimaru was there, other than that? they... didn't really stand a chance.

And like you said Konoha is the strongest of the strongest five nations. so Sasuke being a top tier chunnin by their standards means he is pretty much low Jounin level by most general standards.

they're the strongest but not that overwhelmingly, a average Konoha jounin and average Iwa jounin are probably relative, given by the general portrayal of the countries.

I don't think the portrayal changed, Kyubi chakra is still considered immense and foul and elicit a shocked reaction everytime even during the Neji battle. I don't see anyone who isn't a notable jounin getting through him easily.

Neji won that fight without being a Jounin and clashed evenly with Naruto in that state even if a little less powerful.

Neji and Sasuke are around the same level at this point.and both barely matched KNO and they both got defeated with Sasuke needing his 3rd Tomoe.

Yea, but Neji matching KN0 just kills the hype it got during Zabuza arc.

Moving on, CM Sasuke matched KN1 Naruto not KN0 and I don't think anyone outside of an top jounin defeats that.

That's just unfair I mean, CM2 Sasuke can be jonin level, the thread and one in my statement is CE Sasuke, CM2 stomps CE Sasuke.

Base Lee is never said to be below Neji in speed. In Taijutsu and overall technique and defense. Yeah. But in speed they should be around the same level or Lee would be greater. Lee was actually below Neji at some point and wanted the chance to test his skills once more against Neji during the chunnin exam but didn't get that chance

he needs the gates to do an overwhelming speed attack to defeat Neji per guy, which would mean at the absolute worst Neji is a bit faster than Weightless Lee as Lee needs to hurt himself to stand a shot.

I don't really remember the Genma instance. Maybe you should clarify. I already settled Genma is an actual full fledged Jounin able to stalemate Baki a top jounin from another great village

It was either raido or genma, it was in the scene where Neji was about to move to kill Hinata but everyone just blitzed him.

Like I said being greater than Base Gaara while being suppressed by his cursed mark puts him at that level. Gaara one shots chunnins casually. Something only a Jounin tier can do.

CE Naruto can stomp some chunins, and he is definitely not jonin level.

Most Jounin would beat Sasuke. yes. But not anyone would beat him just because they hold the title.

I mean, If CE Sasuke loses to most jounin, he is just not jonin level, high chunin is where he would be.

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#40  Edited By galaxium
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@galaxium: the whole reason sasuke went with him is he knew he was weaker than and figured he’d need that kind of strength to avenge his family.

Most jonin would fold chuunin exam sasuke.

Sasuke left the Leaf because he is far weaker than Itachi who is literally stronger than everyone in every village it is not fair. But he beat base Gaara, who is the strongest kid in the exams and was implied to be above Chuunin. He even stated to Shino that it would only take him 10 minutes to finish Gaara off.

Additionally, by the end of part 1, Kabuto, who was stated to be equal to Kakashi multiple times, was intimidated by Sasuke. Which implies he already surpassed Kakashi and Kabuto by that point and the Chuunin exams are not far in timeline from that.

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End of land of waves arc Sasuke = Low Jounin

End of Chuunin Exams Sasuke = Mid Jounin

End of part 1 Sasuke = High Jounin

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@galaxium: Post VOTE Sasuke is massively above Chuunin exams Sasuke

CE Sasuke (Peak Chunin) <<< Sound 4(Low Jonin) <<< Kabuto <=> Kimimaro <=> End of part 1 Sasuke (High Jonin)

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@galaxium: The sound 4 were clearly above Sasuke lmao

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@pizzagod342: Who was stated to have not fully recovered from the hospital and they ganged up on him. It doesn't make since for them to defeat Sasuke that easily only to go on and struggle against Kiba and stuff who were mids in the exams.

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@galaxium:

Who was stated to have not fully recovered from the hospital

When was this stated?

and they ganged up on him

Ukon easily dealt with him in a 1v1 even before they ganged up on him

It doesn't make since for them to defeat Sasuke that easily only to go on and struggle against Kiba and stuff who were mids in the exams.

Yes let's completely ignore that Kiba was using his strongest jutsu and still lost lmao

Even if Sasuke is stronger than Sound 4 in base and CM1, Sound 4 still edges out since they have CM2 which Sasuke doesn't

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@galaxium: big lol at pre shippuden sasuke surpassing kakashi.

one kamui and he's dead even if he uses curse mark

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@yoroshi0 said:

@galaxium: big lol at pre shippuden sasuke surpassing kakashi.

one kamui and he's dead even if he uses curse mark

Kakashi never used kamui in part 1

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@galaxium:

When was this stated?

Ukon easily dealt with him in a 1v1 even before they ganged up on him

Yes let's completely ignore that Kiba was using his strongest jutsu and still lost lmao

Even if Sasuke is stronger than Sound 4 in base and CM1, Sound 4 still edges out since they have CM2 which Sasuke doesn't

Right when he told Naruto to fight him

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Sakon giving him one punch with his other self before the others joined is not "easily dealt with him". it is just one punch. Sasuke took dozens from Naruto and still kept going.

Even if Sasuke is stronger than Sound 4 in base and CM1, Sound 4 still edges out since they have CM2 which Sasuke doesn't

Well, he has the Sharingan too but that's fair.

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@gaoron said:
@yoroshi0 said:

@galaxium: big lol at pre shippuden sasuke surpassing kakashi.

one kamui and he's dead even if he uses curse mark

Kakashi never used kamui in part 1

so? he still had the mangekyo sharigan since then and could use it, he just refrained from doing so

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I mean, the sand attacked with all their might, combined with the sound, while Orochimaru held off the strongest ninja in the village singlehandedly...and...they got stomped by the counterattack, the only reason they even achieved something was because a monster like Orochimaru was there, other than that? they... didn't really stand a chance.
Of course they didn't stand a chance. Like I said Konoha is just that much stronger. My point is they aren't really weak and Konoha wouldn't come out unscathed. Which they didn't. They may be weak compared to the other great villages but in general they're not a weak Nation.
they're the strongest but not that overwhelmingly, a average Konoha jounin and average Iwa jounin are probably relative, given by the general portrayal of the countries.
At this point, the only portrayal we see from mist is From the land of waves which is not too impressive. The rest village would still have no success invading Konoha. The Sand once implied they focused on the quality of their shinobi not the quantity.
Neji won that fight without being a Jounin and clashed evenly with Naruto in that state even if a little less powerful.
Yea, but Neji matching KN0 just kills the hype it got during Zabuza arc.
It doesn't kill the hype. It means Neji is just that good. Which proves yet again the elite Genin of the exams were nearing jounin level. And again, Neji lost so it's not that big of a deal.
That's just unfair I mean, CM2 Sasuke can be jonin level, the thread and one in my statement is CE Sasuke, CM2 stomps CE Sasuke.
This was for the other person who said CM2 Sasuke is low jounin level at best.
he needs the gates to do an overwhelming speed attack to defeat Neji per guy, which would mean at the absolute worst Neji is a bit faster than Weightless Lee as Lee needs to hurt himself to stand a shot.
Nah it just means they could be equal in speed or Lee could be slightly above in speed but falls short in Taijutsu and defense.. especially when you consider the fact that Neji has rotation a defense said to be even more perfect than Gaara at the time.
It was Hayate, the exam proctor and I wouldn't call it blitz. Hayate was not that far from Hinata than Neji was. Also I am against using a single Instance to judge a character's top speed.
CE Naruto can stomp some chunins, and he is definitely not jonin level.
If chunnin email Naruto can stomp chunnins with little difficulty then he is very much at the threshold of jounin level. Now if you realize this is a guy who has mastered the Rasengan and can summon a toad that can more or less subdue a tailed beast, then Naruto being jounin level is not outlandish as you make it seem. Except you know of other chunins running around subduing tailed beast.
I mean, If CE Sasuke loses to most jounin, he is just not jonin level, high chunin is where he would be.
I think at the end of the day we're just saying the same thing. If you believe he beats some jounin the he is already jounin level in some stats ergo low jounin level. If you are adhering strictly to the ninja rankings then high chunnin level shouldn't be able to defeat jounins. Period. Which is why Sasuke is placed at low jounin level. Which equals being able to make short work of any chunnin who isn't an irregular and can actually defeat some jounins who aren't moderately capable ergo low jounin level.