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Toguro roflstomps

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Toguro easy.

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poor Sanji's going to get ripped apart

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Sanji is the weakest of the monster trio he easily gets taken down by toguro

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I don't think it's a stomp... I mean Sanji' haki will keep him from being instantly annialated. Sanji just in't strong enough to put Toguro down XD

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Sanji is the weakest of the monster trio he easily gets taken down by toguro

How fast and how durable is this guy?

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@leo-343 said:
@deathhero61 said:
Sanji is the weakest of the monster trio he easily gets taken down by toguro

How fast and how durable is this guy?

Town level durability if not far more. Speed is high hypersonic. He was fast enough to easily keep up with yusuke who very very early on was casually dodging bullets, at one point reacted to lightning and so on and so forth. You never read yu yu hakusho? The anime is so good but a tad bit different from the manga. You should should check it out.

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@deathhero61:

Town level durability if not far more.

Sanji should one-shot...

Speed is high hypersonic. He was fast enough to easily keep up with yusuke who very very early on was casually dodging bullets, at one point reacted to lightning and so on and so forth.

These are CP9 level feats man...Current Sanji is far above that.

You never read yu yu hakusho? The anime is so good but a tad bit different from the manga. You should should check it out.

Will do.

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Sanji IMO.

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@leo-343 said:

@deathhero61:

Town level durability if not far more.

Sanji should one-shot... Since when has Sanji been town level? If you said this for Luffy and Zoro this would be understandable since they just performed feats above town level but Sanji is nowhere near town level.......

Speed is high hypersonic. He was fast enough to easily keep up with yusuke who very very early on was casually dodging bullets, at one point reacted to lightning and so on and so forth.

These are CP9 level feats man...Current Sanji is far above that. Artificial lightning from an artificial cloud. Sorry but no.

You never read yu yu hakusho? The anime is so good but a tad bit different from the manga. You should should check it out.

Will do. Same person who made Hunter X Hunter

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#14  Edited By Leo-343

@deathhero61:

Since when has Sanji been town level? If you said this for Luffy and Zoro this would be understandable since they just performed feats above town level but Sanji is nowhere near town level.......

One-shotting a pacifista easily puts him above town level.

Artificial lightning from an artificial cloud. Sorry but no.

Lol, almost everyone has accepted it as a natural lightning feat, I could have sworn I've even see you use this argument, regardless, that doesn't matter: the 'artificial' lightning was created using science, she created a storm cloud using cold and hot air and water...the same way normal storm clouds are made.

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@deathhero61: Luffy casually performed a high multi-city block feat (formerly town+) with a regular Busuoshoku bullet and arguably stronger G2 kick.Sanji by scaling should be far above that.Not to mention casually destroying a pacifista.

Sanji also sent Wadatsumi flying.

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Sanji mid/high difficulty

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I highly doubt Sanji can tank a spirit gun like Toguro did

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No clue why people are saying Toguro stomps...Sanji takes this.

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#19  Edited By UnbiasedRodger

Toguro stomps.

Sanji has neither the durability or damage output to compete with Toguro.

Also, Toguro's aura alone will kill sanji since he has NO spirit energy or demon energy found in the yyh verse.

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@leo-343: what counter he has for soul sucking?

Toguro does this casually.

Toguro also has insane Healing ability as a immortal.

Feats here include his arm nearly blown off by Genkais best shot, and it heals in seconds. Then Yusuke as pretty much a A Class kicked Toguro as hard as he could, breaking his neck, and Toguro just whips it back fine.

Toguro also has air bullets from his strength. Unless Sanji is bullet proof to piercing attacks, Im not sure. these attacks are fast enough to make Yusuke own super speed work hard.

These are major obstacles considering his raw durability, strength, and speed that more than matches.

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#23  Edited By JeanXon

YT stomps pretty hard

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Toguro.

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#25  Edited By Captain_Redfists

@deathhero61: so and Suzaku's lightning is even more artificial then nami's since its magical where nami uses science plus there's always the feat of luffy kicking cloud to ground lightning back in skypiea even if you don't accept that feat Zoro has a mach 9 feat in the Water Seven arc when he intercepted and cut 7 cannon balls from the Franky Family and Blueno was able to speed blitz Zoro in that same arc Which means that hes's atleast mach 9 as well and seeing as though Rob Lucci Rokushiki is 5 times greater than Blueno he should be in the mach 45 range through simpler powerscaling. and this was pre-skip so Sanji should be above the likes of Rob Lucci by now seeing as though he can blitz a Pacifista before he shot a laser which pre-skip G2 luffy could not. Scans:

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Toguro wins. Sanji was very few durability feats, and the ones he have are pretty poor.

And please, the wadatsumi scan is worthless, Surume was beating him up quite easily. Toguro would kill wadatsumi with a punch, not just set the big fish on fire

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The only thing I've seen that would give Sanji pause is soul sucking, as far as physicals go Sanji is clearly ahead...

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@leo-343: Toguro tanked this blast by Yusuke and it wasn't even his final form. I sure have not seen Sanji having any better durability feats.

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#30  Edited By Leo-343

@nightwingx: That it?

... Sanji has tanked a simultaneous punch to the face from both Luffy and Jinbei, both of whom are strong enough to one-shot something that can tank a mountain level explosion.

Sanji is also strong enough to one-shot something that can tank a mountain level explosion. Based on that clip Sanji is easily more durable than him, not to mention much faster with precog as well.

Based on that clip Sanji curbstomps.

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@leo-343: Toguro tanks mountain size Spirit Gun shots, not sure why Sanji is better since Sanji also has no healing factor.

Still did not show me Sanchi tanking piercing damage from he air bullets either.

Still no counter for soul sucking.

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Toguro just because he's from an incredibly superior anime/manga. c:

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#33  Edited By Leo-343

@sirfizzwhizz: 'Mountain sized spirit shots' right but do they actually bust mountains? It doesn't really matter, pacifistas can also tank mountain level blasts but Sanji still one-shots them.

Air bullets? How fast are they?

From what I've seen, Sanji is faster, that and his precog means he won't get his soul sucked.

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@leo-343:

Sanji one shot guys with no immortality or healing factor? not the same.

Air bullets are nearly as fast as Yusuke who could barely keep up the blocking of them.

I doubt he is faster, there is no proof at all as neither have on panel statements of top speeds, only fan calcs and guesswork, which put early saga Yusuke by some views on par with current luffy truth be told. To me they are practically the same unless someone provides FACTUAL stated speeds and not OPINION fan calcs.

Precog counter soul sucking how? It doesn't.

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#35  Edited By Leo-343

@sirfizzwhizz: You haven't told me how this healing factor works, how good it is etc

Sanji has one-shot something that can tank a mountain level blast, he did this is one hit, he can spam kicks.

How fast is Yusuke?

You doubt he's faster? Why?

Pre time-skip he can blitz lightning timers and kick at Mach 25+ evidenced by his legs catching fire which is re entry level speed, currently he's much faster than that. That's your facts. Those fan calcs use maths and are accurate and accepted by pretty much everyone.

Umm... He see's Toguro sucking his soul in a vision so he... Flies into the air, avoids it or just doesn't put himself in that situation.

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YYH wanks are the worst. Sanji has more impressive feats he wins easily.

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Also Toguro isn't soul fucking Sanji. He can only soul fuck people who are weaker than him which Sanji isn't.

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@leo-343: Uh... I kinda did. he healed his arm nearly taken off in his weaker power level instantly. He suffered a broken neck from Yusuke best hit, and whip it back in place while joking. So any damage will be healed and he will carry on. Considering he has mountain level durability casually, Im not seeing any suppose "one shot"

Toguro has super speed, and spams punches. he does not even need to hit you with punches, the shock from them do damage.

I doubt he is faster because there is not speed feats from Luffy that trumps anything Yusuke and crew done at low tier level much less the highest of there mid tiers. You can low ball yusuke feats, and same can be done for Luffy. Unless you have solid on panel statements, your arguing your own bias fan logic. Speed is not a factor for either to debate with any fact.

Speed wise why should what you listed matter to these feats?

  • Dodge Bullets easily in a small hallway, seeming to instant teleport behind the shooters (D Class)
  • Thrown over a hundred punches in a fraction of a second (this was D Class).
  • Swing a over 17 times in what seem one strike (D Class).
  • Yusuke reacted to multiple lightning attacks (this was D Class).
  • Create after images that last for seconds before fading (C Class).
  • Create multiple after images Dragon ball Z style (C Class).
  • Cut a demons arm off and it took many seconds for the Demon to feel the pain register to his brain (C Class).

Then the fact every class is super more powerful to the lower ones. A S Class should kill 100 A Class easy. A Class should do the same for B Class. b Class for C Class. Toguro was the highest level of B Class. Toguro showed this superiority when he blitz C Class Yusuke and Kurabara working together at a mere 20% power, not even 100%. Toguro was so fast he could not be seen by C Class Yusuke at all. Why should your character be for fact faster? At best speed is roughly the same, and that is being generous.

As for the soul sucking, it was a entire battle field. Sanji going to BFR himself? never getting close? Thats a win for Toguro mate.

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@kinasin_ said:

Also Toguro isn't soul fucking Sanji. He can only soul fuck people who are weaker than him which Sanji isn't.

And YYH low ballers are even worst.

How can he avoid soul suck when only spiritual/demonic/Psychic energy counters it? Haki is none of those. Nice try though.

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Also Toguro isn't soul fucking Sanji. He can only soul fuck people who are weaker than him which Sanji isn't.

@kinasin_ said:

Also Toguro isn't soul fucking Sanji. He can only soul fuck people who are weaker than him which Sanji isn't.

And YYH low ballers are even worst.

How can he avoid soul suck when only spiritual/demonic/Psychic energy counters it? Haki is none of those. Nice try though.

Where's does it say that only spiritual, demonic, or psychic counters it? Toguro flat out stated he can only use soul absorption on demons and humans significantly weaker than himself.

Sanji has tanked Doflamingo's five colored string. Has fought on par with Vergo who would decimate Toguro.

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#41  Edited By SirFizzWhizz

@kinasin_: Read the scan then, oh wait, Im sure you just ignore the fact only beings with powerful spiritual energies like Koenma could block it. Humans with none of that protection were going to be one shotted before being save. Heck even the more powerful low B class like Kurama, and Hiei were about to die from it regardless being very powerful and having Domic Energy to somewhat counter.

The question remains. Does Sanji have soul protection? Does he have Spirtual/Demonic energy, as stated needed, of high degree like Koenma? No to both? He gets one shot.

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@kinasin_: Read the scan then, oh wait, Im sure you just ignore the fact only beings with powerful spiritual energies like Koenma could block it. Humans with none of that protection were going to be one shotted before being save. Heck even the more powerful low B class like Kurama, and Hiei were about to die from it regardless being very powerful and having Domic Energy to somewhat counter.

The question remains. Does Sanji have soul protection? Does he have Spirtual/Demonic energy, as stated needed, of high degree like Koenma? No to both? He gets one shot.

Let's try this again.

Where's does it say that only spiritual, demonic, or psychic counters it?

Finally, once again, it only works on opponents who are weaker than him. Which Sanji clearly isn't. Sanji one shots. GG

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@kinasin_: Sigh

Stated several times as chi. Referring to the demon and spiritual energy of humans and demons. Haki is not the same, nor described as such. Sanji dies.

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@sirfizzwhizz: It's really weird how you would resort to calling people bias and automatically assume Toguro is faster when you don't even know what Sanji or Luffy's best speed feats are, just a heads up in case it escaped your notice, their speed feats aren't just random assumptions by fans. Most if not all are factual and have a basis with actual maths, Zoro Water 7 feat, Luffy's Fishman Island water bullet dodging feat, Sanji's kicks etc all use maths.

This has pretty much been you in every One Piece thread, doubting their speed and being sceptical... For some reason, even when people give evidence.

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@goldroger: Fan calcs are just that. I also never claim YYH, in this case Toguro, is faster at all. I stated this several times. So.............

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@sirfizzwhizz: Alrighty then.

Fishman Island was stated to be 150km in length, Hody threw his water bullet so fast it covered that distance in 10 or so seconds. That is Mach 40-44 of I'm not mistaken. Luffy dodged a barrage of these in base form with ease.

What about this fan calc is inaccurate?

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@goldroger: The TEN OR SO SECONDS part. You dont have a exact time. Its fan calc with assumption.

There is fan calcs that place Yusuke and crew as Mach 300+ and other that show Yusuke and crew faster.

Here Yusuke in a single instant blitz over 30 S Class Demons, each one faster than Toguro. Can we fan calc this? No, but its more impressive by alot to Mach 300 Fan Calcs.

Point is Fan Calcs are BS. something many Naruto, Dragon Ball, YYH, Bleach, One Piece, any manga fan seem to do time and again.

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@sirfizzwhizz: The 10 or so seconds part was common sense... And it doesn't change the fact he was in the given speed range.

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#49  Edited By SirFizzWhizz

@goldroger said:

@sirfizzwhizz: The 10 or so seconds part was common sense... And it doesn't change the fact he was in the given speed range.

common sense by whose standards? Yours? The person who made the calcs? Again there is no shown time and distance, the two things needed together to calc speed accurately.

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@josephgomes619: the Wadastumi feat shows sanji's AoE since it covered his 300 meter+ body. If you want potency feats he one shotted a pacifista who has town level durability. All i'm saying is that Sanji should be capable of kicking YT's head off when a weaker Yusuke is capable of breaking his neck in a nerfed scenario.