Tobirama Senju vs Itachi Uchiha

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I would definitely go with Itachi if he wasn't sick, but his stamina suffers and using susanoo might strain him a bit.

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@bull909: This. God the Itachi wank is so real.

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İtachi never beat a Hokage level char on Naruto series. His mystery and genjutsu make his look good. But the other hand he is wield Mangekyou Sharingan. This is mean that; that power is also give him a huge weakness.. His durability, strentgh and stamina far more worse than Tobirama...

On The Other Hand Tobirama Use Body Flicker (Shunshin no Jutsu) and Flyin Thunder God (Hirashin no Jutsu) tecniqs.. He is very fast.. And itachi cant stab him with totsuga blade...

And without totsuga he has no chance on any Hokage or Sannin.

Tobirama is the only Hokage ı dont like very much.. But Tobirama is too much for İtachi...

Tobirama beats easily Madara's lil brother Izuna who has same powers like İtachi..

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I'm gonna back Itachi now. Tobirama's got nothing on him but stamina.

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@thevivas said:

I'm gonna back Itachi now. Tobirama's got nothing on him but stamina.

Teleportation? Knowledge and experience killing Uchihas? Speed? Intelligence?

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@comicstooge: Itachi would know about teleportation, none of the Uchiha Tobirama fought had Itachi's Jutsu set, regular combat speed I don't see as a big difference, and intelligence should be around the same, tbh.

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#59  Edited By bull909

@thevivas: Izuna also knew about Tobirama's teleportation, and Tobirama killed him.

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@thevivas said:

@comicstooge: Itachi would know about teleportation, none of the Uchiha Tobirama fought had Itachi's Jutsu set, regular combat speed I don't see as a big difference, and intelligence should be around the same, tbh.

Tobriama managed to skewer Izuna despite him knowing about teleportation. He uses it creatively.

The basics are still there, so he'd know to avoid genjutsu by not looking at his eyes. And Itachi's finger poke is just regular genjutsu which Tobirama should be logically able to break.

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@thevivas said:

@comicstooge: Itachi would know about teleportation, none of the Uchiha Tobirama fought had Itachi's Jutsu set, regular combat speed I don't see as a big difference, and intelligence should be around the same, tbh.

Tobriama managed to skewer Izuna despite him knowing about teleportation. He uses it creatively.

The basics are still there, so he'd know to avoid genjutsu by not looking at his eyes. And Itachi's finger poke is just regular genjutsu which Tobirama should be logically able to break.

Which is going to leave him at a severe disadvantage fighting against Itachi, who can use amaterasu to burn Tobriama. It would be an interesting fight none the less but going by panel feats and not word of mouth Itachi should take this.

He's got a lot of ways to fight against the 2nd's speed. Remember, he was always shown holding back and was usually at half strength when shown fighting. When he was Edo he was able to seal Pain and defeat Kabuto who are both Kage level shinobi with genjutsu. I think it would happen here as well, despite Tobriama's experience against the Uchiha.

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@comicstooge: Itachi isn't Izuna.

Just because he should "logically" be able to break out of it, it doesn't mean he actually does know how to break out of it. How will he even know he's in a Genjutsu when he gets affected by Itachi's finger Genjutsu? The only reason Naruto knew was because Itachi told him.

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#66  Edited By ComicStooge

@thevivas said:

@comicstooge: Itachi isn't Izuna.

Just because he should "logically" be able to break out of it, it doesn't mean he actually does know how to break out of it. How will he even know he's in a Genjutsu when he gets affected by Itachi's finger Genjutsu? The only reason Naruto knew was because Itachi told him.

I'd imagine when his face starts peeling off, he'd figure it out. Tobirama is a lot smarter than Naruto, they're not comparable whatsoever. Not only that but he's an excellent sensor and sensors can observe their own chakra patterns to see if they're disturbed.

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@comicstooge said:

@thevivas said:

@comicstooge: Itachi would know about teleportation, none of the Uchiha Tobirama fought had Itachi's Jutsu set, regular combat speed I don't see as a big difference, and intelligence should be around the same, tbh.

Tobriama managed to skewer Izuna despite him knowing about teleportation. He uses it creatively.

The basics are still there, so he'd know to avoid genjutsu by not looking at his eyes. And Itachi's finger poke is just regular genjutsu which Tobirama should be logically able to break.

Which is going to leave him at a severe disadvantage fighting against Itachi, who can use amaterasu to burn Tobriama. It would be an interesting fight none the less but going by panel feats and not word of mouth Itachi should take this.

He's got a lot of ways to fight against the 2nd's speed. Remember, he was always shown holding back and was usually at half strength when shown fighting. When he was Edo he was able to seal Pain and defeat Kabuto who are both Kage level shinobi with genjutsu. I think it would happen here as well, despite Tobriama's experience against the Uchiha.

He didn't seal Nagato alone. He had two Jinchūriki to assist him (one of which has complete control of his bijuu).

Kabuto fell on his own, he was emotionally unstable.

I also get the feeling that a skilled water user like Tobirama can use Hidden mist to block the Sharingan's view

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@comicstooge: You forget there was more to that Genjutsu than just peeling away of the face. Plus that wasn't even the real Itachi. The real Itachi can get you in a Genjutsu and have it game over in a few seconds like he did with Deidara.

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@thevivas said:

@comicstooge: You forget there was more to that Genjutsu than just peeling away of the face. Plus that wasn't even the real Itachi. The real Itachi can get you in a Genjutsu and have it game over in a few seconds like he did with Deidara.

Deidara looked into Itachi's eyes, not something Tobirama would ever do.

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You gotta love it. Not one mention of tsukuyomi from some of the all time taggef naruto debaters. Yet, when it comes to genius vs any other characters outside of naruto its f2f he first thing mentioned. Mind you, its tobirama of all ninjas.

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Neither characters are edo tensei

Both are bloodlusted

Fight take place in a forest

Who wins?

Depends on where the fight is, how strong Itachi is at point of fight.

Anyways, in my humble opinion, Tobirama absolutely murder stomps.

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@juzacloud: Tsukuyomi isn't even really needed, tbh.

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@thevivas said:

@comicstooge: You forget there was more to that Genjutsu than just peeling away of the face. Plus that wasn't even the real Itachi. The real Itachi can get you in a Genjutsu and have it game over in a few seconds like he did with Deidara.

Deidara looked into Itachi's eyes, not something Tobirama would ever do.

He doesn't need to. Finger point Genjutsu and Amaterasu combo are a game ender.

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@thevivas: Can you stop talking about Itachi like he is God?

First of all, Amateratsu takes a while for Itachi to charge. His chakra pool is terrible and he knows that. Even bloodlusted, he wouldn't use right off the bat.

Also, any genjutsu can be countered. Time seems meaningless against it and both users can be trapped in a quick genjutsu battle. Just as Sasuke did with Itachi. Tobirama is also regarded as a highly skilled genjutsu user. Top 5 actually, so he's alright in that department.

Susanoo is great but Itachi cannot use for long at all. His stamina is terrible. Sasuke has a huge pool of chakra and he couldn't barely hold it. Also, it would be insanely difficult to tag Tobirama with it. His only offrnsive feats are tagging a giant snake, and tagging Nagato while he was standing still. His only resort is to use it as a defensive technique but it would futile after a bit because of his stamina.

All his fire jutsu can be countered by Tobirama who is one of the best water jutsu specialists.

Plus, Tobirama knows how to fight the sharigan and the mangekyo sharigan. He has fought against all those techniques and survived handily. He is also much more experienced and ruthless.

Genjutsu is not a game changer here and Itachi is not a god either. Look at the actual facts before speaking.

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Can you stop talking about Itachi like he is God?

LOL so because I think he has a chance at winning that means I think he's "God"? Get real, man. Lol

First of all, Amateratsu takes a while for Itachi to charge.

No it doesn't.

His chakra pool is terrible and he knows that. Even bloodlusted, he wouldn't use right off the bat.

I see no reason why he wouldn't.

Also, any genjutsu can be countered.

Indeed.

Time seems meaningless against it and both users can be trapped in a quick genjutsu battle. Just as Sasuke did with Itachi.

Except Tobirama hasn't shown any Genjutsu. And Itachi also beat Deidara in a matter of seconds. The same can happen to Tobirama.

Tobirama is also regarded as a highly skilled genjutsu user. Top 5 actually, so he's alright in that department.

I would love to see proof of that.

Susanoo is great but Itachi cannot use for long at all. His stamina is terrible.

He can use it long enough. It's not going to be another "Madara vs Hashirama" fight that lasts longer than a day.

Sasuke has a huge pool of chakra and he couldn't barely hold it.

When was that? By the time of the Kage summit? Nope. Sasuke was literally sitting in Susanoo while fighting Danzo.

Also, it would be insanely difficult to tag Tobirama with it. His only offrnsive feats are tagging a giant snake, and tagging Nagato while he was standing still.

Not really. Tobirama has no idea Itachi has low chakra levels so he's not going to sit around and wait it out. Plus, he's never fought against a Susanoo and has no knowledge whatsoever about Totsuka Blade or Yata Mirror. Not that Tobirama has anything strong enough to get through them, anyway.

His only resort is to use it as a defensive technique but it would futile after a bit because of his stamina.

Do you think Tobirama just teleports 24/7 when he fights? And you honestly believe Itachi can't hold his Susanoo for more then maybe 15 minutes? Jesus...

All his fire jutsu can be countered by Tobirama who is one of the best water jutsu specialists.

I am well aware of this already, hence why I didn't even bring up Fire style jutsu.

Plus, Tobirama knows how to fight the sharigan and the mangekyo sharigan. He has fought against all those techniques and survived handily.

He's never fought against Susanoo, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, or Itachi's relics.

Genjutsu is not a game changer here and Itachi is not a god either.

So Itachi can put Tobirama in a Genjutsu by pointing at him(which Tobirama has absolutely no idea that he can do that), then either A) Amaterasu him, B) make him attack himself, C) stab him with Totsuka and seal him, and so on and so forth, yet it's not a game changer? Izuna managed to make eye contact with Tobirama when they fought in the anime, so Itachi(who actually has speed feats) shouldn't have any problem. People throw around the "he's fought Uchiha's before and has beaten them" card all the time, yet forget that none of those Uchiha's were Itachi, none of them had the techniques he has, and none of them even had a Susanoo.

And of course he's not a god.

Look at the actual facts before speaking.

Or you can actually read the manga like I have and then come back here and show me a single "non edo" feat of Tobirama's that is better than any of Itachi's "non edo" feats.

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@thevivas: whoops, disregard my entire last post. I got my peeps mixed up ^.^

Also, I wasn't referring directly to you with my post so don't take it personally either. I deleted it anyways

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Tobirama more often but he is still going to have trouble with Amaterasu.

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@thevivas: On that note though, Sarutobi vs Itachi might be interesting no?

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I think Tobirama has engaged with Susanoo before or at least seen it when Hashirama fought Madara's fight. I am also dang sure Izuna can cast a powerful genjutsu with his Mangekyou, at least on the level of the Tsukuyomi.

I don't think Tobirama is stupid enough to engage Susanoo (and its equipments) on his own. He most likely will let some of his shadow clones do the work or let an Edo Tensei crash with Itach's Susanoo.

Most likely Tobirama will use teleportation as a sneak attack, much like how he sneaked up on Madara.

Also what is stopping Tobirama from casting "Hidden Mist" to block the Sharingan's range and sight?

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Tobirama vs Izuna only had 1 panel in manga, i have no idea if the anime fight is considered canon or not, but here it is:


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Tobirama breaks out of the genjutsu fast enough to react to Izuna's Katon, counter it, devise a plan, and blitz someone with precog...

And about Izuna's capabilities, they are not showcased in either medium, but we know along with Madara they are the first to awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan (later retconned since Indra also had it, unless he was born with it), they were acknowledged by the rest of the clan as prodigies, and became the leaders of it.

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@rukelnikovftw: this pretty much should shut all the itachi fan boys up and now we see more of him in the anime is should put his abilities in the fore front

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lol with this Itachi dies.

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Itachi.

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#91  Edited By The_New_Avenger

Tobirama was raised in a time period of war between the Uchiha he knows all the trick's and secrets that Itachi has, Tobirama killed Isuna which was close to strength with Madara, Tobirama could give an alive Madara a run for his money, he can beat Itachi.

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@the_new_avenger: Tobirama giving alive Madara a run for his money is laughable.

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@thevivas: Talking about the same person Hasi killed right? yea before all of his buffs he could. it is known that Isuna and Madara where close to equals and the senju bros killed them both.

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@the_new_avenger: Madara had Perfect Susanoo and Kurama. Izuna didn't have either.

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@thevivas: Madara having those is after his bro died, Im not saying he can beat Madara im just saying Madara wouldn't be able to walk right over him.

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@thevivas: That's Besides the point anyway, This Is Itachi vs Tobirama, and Tobirama takes that.

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Tobi. Faster, physically stronger.. More experienced, hmm knows a sh*t ton of jutsus.. k

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@iamnot: The wont listen because " meh Itachi" Out of the first 4 hokage he cant beat any of them.

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