TOBA Hulk runs the Gauntlet!

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Round 1: Oz Vessalius

The Bloodstained Black Rabbit
The Bloodstained Black Rabbit

Round 2: SoK

Saint of Killers
Saint of Killers

Round 3: Gilgamesh

CCC - Gilgamesh
CCC - Gilgamesh

Round 4: Oblivion

Oblivion
Oblivion

Round 5: Doctor Manhattan

Doctor Manhattan
Doctor Manhattan

Round 6: Spectre

Unbound Spectre
Unbound Spectre

Round 7: Luci

Lucifer
Lucifer

Round 8: Thought Robot

Thought Robot
Thought Robot

Round 9: Hajun

Hajun
Hajun

Round 10: Li Qiye

Li Qiye
Li Qiye

Bonus Round: Wang Lin the Edgeboi, Su Ming the Sadboi, Meng Hao the Schizophrenic, and Bai Xiaochun the Henpecked

All Er Gen Protagonists
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Rules:

Fight takes place in the void beyond space and time. Hulk is fully recovered after every round. Win by death or KO.

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Based on the composite DC megaversal structure that houses infinite numbers of probability within each galaxy type 69 mega existential quantum 9 proto-omnimegauniversal the Marvel abstracts are harmed by physics therefore he stops at 5

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@solaris6 said:

Based on the composite DC megaversal structure that houses infinite numbers of probability within each galaxy type 69 mega existential quantum 9 proto-omnimegauniversal the Marvel abstracts are harmed by physics therefore he stops at 5

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Also, Lucifer > Thought Robot.

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#6  Edited By Jucaslucasa

TOBA Hulk sounds so wrong

I heard he killed everyone in Marvel or smth? If so, he should be able to beat Oblivion (would have already done it and all that). I think he should be stronger than Manhattan, and Spectre is a huge jobber, afaik.

If he's really an Anti-TOAA, he might beat Lucifer, Li Qiye and the Er Gen squad, idk. No idea about Thought Robot or Hajun.

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@solaris6 said:

Based on the composite DC megaversal structure that houses infinite numbers of probability within each galaxy type 69 mega existential quantum 9 proto-omnimegauniversal the Marvel abstracts are harmed by physics therefore he stops at 5

Which isn't true because nobody said that.

@mylittlefascist

Anyway, TOBA Hulk does not have impressive feats. TOAA failed to fix an physics based unbalanced multiverse and Gilgamesh is already way deeper than that.

Also, here: There are different levels of voids. One that represents archetypal boundlessness from which creation derives from (Chaos, mythology), Presence (Archetypal boundless omnipotent void from which every metaphysical quality derives from), but then they are fodder voids who can get harmed by physics, like oblivion or Beyonder. Just liked to point that out. Many voids in fiction are literal fodder, so this ''Void wank'' does not really apply.

Gilgamesh is above oblivion.

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@solaris6: It was said on-panel that TOAA cannot fix the universe inbalance caused by the regulator.

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@jucaslucasa said:

TOBA Hulk sounds so wrong

I heard he killed everyone in Marvel or smth? If so, he should be able to beat Oblivion (would have already done it and all that). I think he should be stronger than Manhattan, and Spectre is a huge jobber, afaik.

If he's really an Anti-TOAA, he might beat Lucifer, Li Qiye and the Er Gen squad, idk. No idea about Thought Robot or Hajun.

Yea he killed everyone in Marvel and destroyed everything in the multiverse, he is meant to be the opposite side of TOAA, the writer even said they are 2 sides of the same coin and wasn't exactly sure on if TOBA was as powerful as TOAA or not, but he did say he was more powerful than Oblivion though.

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@solaris6 said:

Based on the composite DC megaversal structure that houses infinite numbers of probability within each galaxy type 69 mega existential quantum 9 proto-omnimegauniversal the Marvel abstracts are harmed by physics therefore he stops at 5

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#14  Edited By Yamiyodare

Lol at Thought Robot stronger than Lucifer. Hard stops at 7.

Lucifer should be at 10.

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Probably stop at 5.

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Lol haha those scans an fabricated they came from starlins story I believe the infinity conflict

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@solaris6 said:

Based on the composite DC megaversal structure that houses infinite numbers of probability within each galaxy type 69 mega existential quantum 9 proto-omnimegauniversal the Marvel abstracts are harmed by physics therefore he stops at 5

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#22  Edited By zgtfreak

This gauntlet is horribly out of order. Excluding the first 2, who I have no idea about, the gauntlet would be this:

R3: Oblivion

R4: Hajun

R5: Doctor Manhattan

R6: Gilgamesh

R7: Thought Robot

R8: Spectre

R9: Li Qiye

R10: Lucifer

And TOBA hard stops at 4 horrendously.

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#24  Edited By solaris6  Online

@y3kthunder: Because i just called Jim to confirm and he said it's fake.

Stop spreading lies.

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@y3kthunder: He's actually my uncle, we're not really close though.

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@solaris6: oh alright well my great uncle Walt owns your uncle so I get the last laugh

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#28  Edited By FiendishMind
@yasindermann said:
@solaris6 said:

Based on the composite DC megaversal structure that houses infinite numbers of probability within each galaxy type 69 mega existential quantum 9 proto-omnimegauniversal the Marvel abstracts are harmed by physics therefore he stops at 5

Which isn't true because nobody said that.

@mylittlefascist

Anyway, TOBA Hulk does not have impressive feats. TOAA failed to fix an physics based unbalanced multiverse and Gilgamesh is already way deeper than that.

Also, here: There are different levels of voids. One that represents archetypal boundlessness from which creation derives from (Chaos, mythology), Presence (Archetypal boundless omnipotent void from which every metaphysical quality derives from), but then they are fodder voids who can get harmed by physics, like oblivion or Beyonder. Just liked to point that out. Many voids in fiction are literal fodder, so this ''Void wank'' does not really apply.

Gilgamesh is above oblivion.

It depends on the writer, in Ultimates, Al Ewing had Marvel's abstracts as explicitly metaphysical beings that can only really be harmed in a metaphysical plane of "ideas" like the Superflow. In the second series, in order for the Maker to affect reality at a significant level he specifically had to go beyond physics and work at the level of "stories".

Starlin's Above-All-Others seems to be a different beast all together and honestly his work hasn't seemed to affect or represent the main continuity in years. I mean have any of the events from any of his 2010s works been acknowledged in another creator's work... like even once?

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#29  Edited By Eigo-Kaiki

I thought Li Qiye is stronger than Er Gen mcs?

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@eigo-kaiki: Alot of T's need to be crossed, and I's dotted for that to be conclusive imho.

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#32  Edited By etriel  Online

@fiendishmind: Yes, and that same story proved that you can defeat superior more powerful abstracts if you had enough will power. To do it.

That's how the Tiger God was able to take down abstracts that should be unfathomably more powerful than itself.

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#33  Edited By etriel  Online

Gets stomped at 3.

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#36  Edited By Y3kthunder

@solaris6: guess your lying mr fabricator cause you wont prove your relationship. An to answer your question guess you'll never know

See burden of proof lies on you after all you made the claim that theyre fabricated and the claim that starlin was your uncle first so it's on your head to prove that your not lying

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@y3kthunder: No it doesn't, if i say something then it's true, you're the one who has to prove it.

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@etriel said:

@fiendishmind: Yes, and that same story proved that you can defeat superior more powerful abstracts if you had enough will power. To do it.

That's how the Tiger God was able to take down abstracts that should be unfathomably more powerful than itself.

In the Superflow at least, "combat" there is metaphorical.

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@etriel said:

@fiendishmind: Yes, and that same story proved that you can defeat superior more powerful abstracts if you had enough will power. To do it.

That's how the Tiger God was able to take down abstracts that should be unfathomably more powerful than itself.

In the Superflow at least, "combat" there is metaphorical.

Exactly, that's a fatal weakness that Marvel abstracts have. Entities outside that system can easily take advantage of this.

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@solaris6: what? Lol how's does that work. Nah dude you made the claims first pony up

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@y3kthunder: You're in my universe, you have to answer, not me.

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@etriel: What are you talking about? Panther separated Order and Chaos from Logos by exploiting its logical weakness, in a realm where combat is fought as combat and metaphors. That's not going to necessarily work on the other abstracts unless it happens to contradict their nature.

It has nothing to do with power or will.

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@solaris6: your universe? Since when who died an made you king

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#46  Edited By FiendishMind
@etriel said:
@fiendishmind said:
@etriel said:

@fiendishmind: Yes, and that same story proved that you can defeat superior more powerful abstracts if you had enough will power. To do it.

That's how the Tiger God was able to take down abstracts that should be unfathomably more powerful than itself.

In the Superflow at least, "combat" there is metaphorical.

Exactly, that's a fatal weakness that Marvel abstracts have. Entities outside that system can easily take advantage of this.

I'd say it's a potential weakness, it doesn't always work, Galactus was able to resist and beat Order and Chaos but then was bested by Logos with ease. It's also debatable as to if it would still work this way given the maturation of the abstracts and the removal of the First Firmament's influence. Ewing specifically stated in the Ulti-Mails that Order and Chaos could not have killed the Living Tribunal in the prior multiverse and it was only possible at the time due to a flux in the new forming cosmos and later hinting at FF's influence also playing a part.

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@fiendishmind said:
@etriel said:

Exactly, that's a fatal weakness that Marvel abstracts have. Entities outside that system can easily take advantage of this.

I'd say it's a potential weakness, it doesn't always work, Galactus was able to resist and beat Order and Chaos but then was bested by Logos with ease. It's also debatable as to if it would still work this way given the maturation of the abstracts and the removal of the First Firmament's influence. Ewing specifically stated in the Ulti-Mails that Order and Chaos could not have killed the Living Tribunal in the prior multiverse and it was only possible at the time due to a flux in the new forming cosmos and later hinting at FF's influence also playing a part.

I agree.

The Tribunal is an Organ inside Multiversal Space-Time, but if this Multiverse does not heal its diseases properly in order, he is vulnerable, and forces external to this Multiversal Space-Time can influence him without even knowing it.

Beings made of physics, do have a chance of countering against Abstracts with metaphors in the Superflow.

And since First Firmament is the Original Universe from which the Marvel Multiverse are made up of different divided splinters of the First Universe, then there.

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@solaris6: I see that you. Just paddle around them so what makes you believe I'll back up my claim when you can't back yours.

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#50  Edited By FiendishMind
@etriel said:

I agree.

The Tribunal is an Organ inside Multiversal Space-Time, but if this Multiverse does not heal its diseases properly in order, he is vulnerable, and forces external to this Multiversal Space-Time can influence him without even knowing it.

And since First Firmament is the Original Universe from which the Marvel Multiverse are made up of different divided splinters of the First Universe, then there.

It wasn't that the Multiverse was "diseased" that made the LT vulnerable, it was it's barely-reborn nature. The FF wasn't influencing the LT, it was influencing Order and Chaos and Ewing hinted that the FF may have been amping them when they usurped the LT. These are factors that are no longer relevant and were unique to begin with.

Given the circumstances of Ultimates, you can only say that "Beings made of physics, do have a chance of countering against Abstracts with metaphors in the Superflow" as long said "Beings made of physics" have conceptual protection/guidance (BP specifically notes this was required for his presence in the Superflow) and said abstracts are in a state of flux due to rebirth.