Titans vs X-Men

Nightwing, Tempest, Omen, Donna Troy, Arsenal, Wally (current roster and feats)

VS

Havok, Nightcrawler, Marvel girl (rachel), Warpath, Storm

Starts off in character but combatants gradually get more bloodlusted as the battle rages on

Win via death/ko

Edit: Rachel has a small portion of the Phoenix, the same levels she was at during "the rise and fall of the shi'ar empire" storyline

Titans stomp honestly.

@watcher5000: Not if Rachel is Phoenix. Though I don't know if she ever had it as Marvel Girl, but I saw a lot of Phoenix symbols. I should know better though from Jean that Phoenix looking things don't equal Phoenix presence.

@koays: Did Rachel ever have the Phoenix during her time as Marvel Girl?

Titans because these are the best of the Titans and the worst of the x-men (exept for havoc)

Rachel should be a big problem whether it's enough to beat these Titans alone doubtful

The Titans side Wally is the big problem from the X-men side Marvel Girl and Storm. I don't know the Titans like that.

Titans.

@pyrofn: Yea. During war of kings and Kingbreaker she had the phoenix echo which granted her partial versions of her phoenix power

A bloodlusted Rachel +Storm are an issue for the Titans , and Wally is an issue for X-men .

So is Donna Troy.

@themultiversity:

I know a lot about Donna Troy ( the Titans especially Raven ) . I need to know if this is Rachel with Phoenix if so it's over.

Omen is a telepath so rachel doesn't have to be a big issue.

@watcher5000: Again does Rachel have Phoenix

This is a stomp. No cyclops wolverine or any worth any salt but havoc. Storm is eh.

@thevoidofdeath: The op never stated she does so it is weird to even ask tbh.

@watcher5000: Not weird to ask people always do this crap , where they post things and mean another thing . It said blood-lusted this is why . Its like Raven vs Jean grey threads , and people don't specify if Jean has Phoenix or if Raven has Trigon . Then later that day we will finally see the person say oh Raven is possessed by Trigon or Jean has 5% of the Phoenix force.

@thevoidofdeath: ok well until @firestarlord73194 says if she has it or not it makes much more sense to assume she doesn't.

@watcher5000: Interesting .

Omen, Donna Troy & Wally

vs

Nightcrawler, Marvel Girl (Rachel) & Warpath

.

Those would be the winners of the initial clash.

Re-grouped pair-offs:

- Wally vs Nightcrawler

- Donna Troy vs Warpath

- Marvel Girl (Rachel) vs Omen

.

Leaving Wally versus Warpath & Rachel.

Hard fought, but I think the X-Men pull this off, if just.

@rockette: What is stopping Wally from throwing them both in the time stream like he did Abra kadabra?

Rachel, that's who.

She'd freeze his mind (freezing his movements) and Warpath could cut him down with his Vibranium Knives.

I will rephrase what is stopping Wally from blitzing them and throwing them into the time stream like he did to Abra kadabra.It wouldn't take long.

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@watcher5000 said:

@rockette said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette: What is stopping Wally from throwing them both in the time stream like he did Abra kadabra?

Rachel, that's who.

She'd freeze his mind (freezing his movements) and Warpath could cut him down with his Vibranium Knives.

I will rephrase what is stopping Wally from blitzing them and throwing them into the time stream like he did to Abra kadabra.It wouldn't take long.

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Even as Marvel Girl, Rachel still has the Phoenix Force Echo. Minor time manipulation, enhanced telepathic and telekinetic abilities, and some cosmic awareness. She'd know what Wally was doing before Wally even moved, and pre-emptively halt him, then Warpath can cut him down.

I see it as Plausible, in the least.

@rockette said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette: What is stopping Wally from throwing them both in the time stream like he did Abra kadabra?

Rachel, that's who.

She'd freeze his mind (freezing his movements) and Warpath could cut him down with his Vibranium Knives.

I will rephrase what is stopping Wally from blitzing them and throwing them into the time stream like he did to Abra kadabra.It wouldn't take long.

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Even as Marvel Girl, Rachel still has the Phoenix Force Echo. Minor time manipulation, enhanced telepathic and telekinetic abilities, and some cosmic awareness. She'd know what Wally was doing before Wally even moved, and pre-emptively halt him, then Warpath can cut him down.

I see it as Plausible, in the least.

Wally is faster than thought even if she can know the future this won't help as she is to slow to do anything.And Kadabra is able to manipulate time and whatnot but you can see how much that helped him.

And why is donna losing to warpath anyway>

@watcher5000:

Warpath is strong enough to have temporarily held WW Hulk down, and has the experience, reflexes, feats, and has Vibranium Knives to take her on.

Classic "Super Warpath" who had flight & strength around She-Hulk level would've owned Donna Troy.

This Warpath is somewhat weaker strength-wise, and has no flight, but seems to have gained more combat prowess, heightened senses, better reflexes, and gained Vibranium Knives (kinda like Drax's change huh?).

@rockette: Hulk was holding back

ok I guess I can see donna losing then.

Cool beans.

I'm gonna look and see if I can find any battles between Rachel (Marvel Girl/Phoenix Force Echo) vs Wally West somewhere.

I'm torn, Rachel is amazing.

Wally does have the feat you showed me.

Titans

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/flash-flash-flash-vs-phoenix-phoenix-phoneix-1682576/

This is all I could find. ^^

"This is Phoenix Echo Rachel, she is a Omega Mutant with a fraction of Phoenix Force"

That's in there. ^^

@tinyford: i HATE you for that! even if you don't like Storm you don't have to make her weaker than she is!

@flolikeyou:

haha honestly I love storm as well. She is one of my favourite characters from the x-men but if we have to be honest there are a lot more powerful mutants than her (magneto, charles, wolverine, jean, cyclops, legion, franklin and obviously the one everyone always brings up Phoenix (which could mean magic as well as she can also access the force))

Looking at the Titans' side the OP deliberately chose Nightwing instead of Robin. Didn't include beast boy. Included Wally as the strongest and fastest version he can be...

Storm is off course one of everyone's favourite characters, but when it comes to this fight I just feel like she won't be all that usefull in the team.

Sorry if what I said made you hate me, I hope my explaination can win me back some love

@lordofallhumans said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette: What is stopping Wally from throwing them both in the time stream like he did Abra kadabra?

Rachel, that's who.

She'd freeze his mind (freezing his movements) and Warpath could cut him down with his Vibranium Knives.

I will rephrase what is stopping Wally from blitzing them and throwing them into the time stream like he did to Abra kadabra.It wouldn't take long.

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Rachel's primary mutant power is astral time travel meaning she can move her mind through the time stream. She was already dumped into the time stream after the Askani timeline was destroyed. The Phoenix left her and her powers were being inhibited and she was still able to send her thoughts telepathically through time to reach Cable. In this scenario her powers are not being inhibited so there's no reason to believe she can't attack telepathically or astral project from the time stream to make him bring them back or take out his own team.

Nice. Creative. I like it.

@thevoidofdeath: I'm editing the OP, she has the same power as she did in "the rise and fall of the shi'ar empire" which she had a small portion of the Phoenix

That would be the Phoenix Force Echo. That's what I've been arguing already.

@lordofallhumans said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette: What is stopping Wally from throwing them both in the time stream like he did Abra kadabra?

Rachel, that's who.

She'd freeze his mind (freezing his movements) and Warpath could cut him down with his Vibranium Knives.

I will rephrase what is stopping Wally from blitzing them and throwing them into the time stream like he did to Abra kadabra.It wouldn't take long.

Gallery

Rachel's primary mutant power is astral time travel meaning she can move her mind through the time stream. She was already dumped into the time stream after the Askani timeline was destroyed. The Phoenix left her and her powers were being inhibited and she was still able to send her thoughts telepathically through time to reach Cable. In this scenario her powers are not being inhibited so there's no reason to believe she can't attack telepathically or astral project from the time stream to make him bring them back or take out his own team.

Then since they would already be deep in battle wally can just phase kill her as everything he phases through gets atomized.

@rockette: ok, didn't realize there was a term for it.

It's cool yo. Most people aren't up on Rachel.

Not that I'm even close to 100% up on her, but I know enough to debate/battle here.

@watcher5000 said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette said:

@watcher5000 said:

@rockette: What is stopping Wally from throwing them both in the time stream like he did Abra kadabra?

Rachel, that's who.

She'd freeze his mind (freezing his movements) and Warpath could cut him down with his Vibranium Knives.

I will rephrase what is stopping Wally from blitzing them and throwing them into the time stream like he did to Abra kadabra.It wouldn't take long.

Gallery

Rachel's primary mutant power is astral time travel meaning she can move her mind through the time stream. She was already dumped into the time stream after the Askani timeline was destroyed. The Phoenix left her and her powers were being inhibited and she was still able to send her thoughts telepathically through time to reach Cable. In this scenario her powers are not being inhibited so there's no reason to believe she can't attack telepathically or astral project from the time stream to make him bring them back or take out his own team.

Then since they would already be deep in battle wally can just phase kill her as everything he phases through gets atomized.

What? You asked what's stopping him. The answer is Rachel. Astral forms and telepathy are not made of atoms or physical substance at all, so phasing is not going to work on her if he time dumps her.

@lordofallhumans: The time dumping is just one way he can stop her that I mentioned.I am saying instead of time dumping he could atomize her.

@tinyford: honestly i like you now ^^ i feel like you just compared her with the others on titans side :) so atleast you dont mean it mean at all, just that she is not enough for them.

I see, well with her power set, time dump won't stop her. Now with definite Phoenix power and the ability to alter her body fully transmuting it without it (Phoenix) or thinking about it, I wanna think she can at least resist her body being atomized by phasing.

@lordofallhumans: has Wally ever atomized someone via phasing??

@firestarlord73194: Did you mean to ask me?

if so

Wally eventually solos.

@elijah_c_washington: That is debatable on Rachel. Now with a definitive answer saying she has the Phoenix Echo we can try to determine the most likely outcome.

@watcher5000: well not sure if atomizing her would work. She has TK on the atomic level which I'd imagine would make her resistant to atomization