Thought Robot Superman vs SCP 3812

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Thought Robot Superman vs SCP 3812

- composite DC Cosmology not allowed. use feats of only Final Crisis cosmology as written at the time.

- statements of SCP 3812 taken at face value.

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SCP-3812 stomps.

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CAS wrecks. The point of Monitors are that they reside outside of the DCU. SCP-3812 does not reside outside of SCP. Limbo is DC author retcon and Monitors override that entire conceptual space. Mr. Mxyzptlk has the exact same feats as 3812 and even better ones, he is the first to tell you flat out that he can't compare to Monitors.

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#4  Edited By Deagonx

>statements of SCP 3812 taken at face value.

That makes things very simple. 3812 wins. He is stated by God to transcend anything that would transcend him, which would include Overvoid. I mean if a magic phone can take you to Overvoid, Im sure "infinite layer transcendence" can too.

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Thought Robot stomps

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Lol you didnt even read the prompt.

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Composite DC cosmology forbidden is

irrelevant because DC is now officially composite cosmology.

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Composite DC cosmology forbidden is

irrelevant because DC is now officially composite cosmology.

"Statements about 3812 are taken at face value"

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@deagonx:

SCP 3812 is invincible because author said so.

It is same as CAS.

And, CAS is metafictionally stronger for the story of Superman.

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@einefaust:

>SCP 3812 is invincible because author said so.

No, he transcends everything that would transcend him. He's not invincible, but he does transcend Overvoid.

No author said CAS is invincible. He literally was destroyed at the end of the only comic he was in.

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@deagonx:

Based on what?

SCP3802 doesn't transcend Overvoid because Overvoid is the canvas holding everything in fiction.

And, Morrison has confirmed CAS to be unstoppable force for good.

So,Your lowballing don't make sense again.

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@einefaust:

>SCP3802 doesn't transcend Overvoid because Overvoid is the canvas holding everything in fiction.

3812, and he transcends it.

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@deagonx:

Based on what?

Author said so doesn't make sense if Overvoid holding everything or CAS being unstoppable don't make sense.

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>CAS wrecks. The point of Monitors are that they reside outside of the DCU. SCP-3812 does not reside outside of SCP.

You honestly sound daft sometimes. You really seem to think that they are actually alive in the real world? That they are actually outside of DC Comics? The Nil Monitors you seem to love so much are copyrighted fictional entitities written on a piece of paper or a digital equivalent by an actual person. That person even has an editor who might make some external decisions regarding the DC Comics playthings known as The Monitors©. And no the Nil Monitors aren't the actual editors because they aren't real.

Earth-33 that you guys seem to love to quote as "Our real world representation"....is still fictional period. What says that SCP-3812 who was designed to be above it's own creator and his creator going on endlessly doesn't metaphorically shit on Earth-33 and all the Monitors? Because Grant Morrison said they were...real? Because Nix Uotan or whoever held a comic book in his hand...in an actual comic book that we can buy and manipulate however we want? He went inside DC Comics...while being in a comic book by DC Comics. Don't be so damn silly.

SCP-3812's power is that he made his own "Grant Morrison" his little toy from infinite narrative stacks above him. CAS has no way of dealing with him. Also last time i checked Overvoid > CAS and some metaphorical piece of paper or a canvas (Which also isn't real. That i even have to say that) won't contain such an entity. I really suggest you reading more on SCP-3812 and his narrative-bending powers before trying to dimiss him.

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SCP 3812 is invincible because author said so.

It is same as CAS.

And, CAS is metafictionally stronger for the story of Superman.

The Thought Robot clearly has a limit in that he can't go beyond or higher than The Overvoid. He has limits, he has taken damage and struggled with Mandrakk. The whole adapting to any threat angle doesn't work because of his obvious limitations. SCP-3812 supersedes anything that supersedes him fictionally. He goes infinitely above the narrative stacks. And you're saying that he can't go beyond a fictional piece of paper and a metaphorical idea of a canvas because....? Because it has significance within the fiction of DC?

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#15  Edited By SleepyGypsy

CAS Stomps. I'll trust the scans and not your interpretation statement here that is absent a single scan to back up what you claim.

In SCP, the perceived reality of the universe is singular and no other SCP has been able to showcase higher dimensional states. Now, this is where the Narrative part comes into play, because it is theorized only that SCP 3812 is not like the other most powerful reality warpers in SCPs database, its a different thing entirely that can habituate the higher dimensions, and that higher echelon of existence only views the narrative below as such. This is not Meta. Start at 7:55, it only views us as a comic book, not that it is actually a comic book. This is absolutely confirmed to be the case.

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Mr. Mxyzptlk, by the way, views us the same way...exactly. There are four references to this SCP only viewing everything below it as a comic series or flat nothing that is unreal. Not that it actually is.

Captain Allen and Mxyzptlk do the exact same thing.

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>CAS wrecks. The point of Monitors are that they reside outside of the DCU. SCP-3812 does not reside outside of SCP.

You honestly sound daft sometimes. You really seem to think that they are actually alive in the real world? That they are actually outside of DC Comics? The Nil Monitors you seem to love so much are copyrighted fictional entitities written on a piece of paper or a digital equivalent by an actual person. That person even has an editor who might make some external decisions regarding the DC Comics playthings known as The Monitors©. And no the Nil Monitors aren't the actual editors because they aren't real.

Earth-33 that you guys seem to love to quote as "Our real world representation"....is still fictional period. What says that SCP-3812 who was designed to be above it's own creator and his creator going on endlessly doesn't metaphorically shit on Earth-33 and all the Monitors? Because Grant Morrison said they were...real? Because Nix Uotan or whoever held a comic book in his hand...in an actual comic book that we can buy and manipulate however we want? He went inside DC Comics...while being in a comic book by DC Comics. Don't be so damn silly.

SCP-3812's power is that he made his own "Grant Morrison" his little toy from infinite narrative stacks above him. CAS has no way of dealing with him. Also last time i checked Overvoid > CAS and some metaphorical piece of paper or a canvas (Which also isn't real. That i even have to say that) won't contain such an entity. I really suggest you reading more on SCP-3812 and his narrative-bending powers before trying to dimiss him.

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@deagonx:

SCP 3812 is invincible because author said so.

It is same as CAS.

And, CAS is metafictionally stronger for the story of Superman.

The Thought Robot clearly has a limit in that he can't go beyond or higher than The Overvoid. He has limits, he has taken damage and struggled with Mandrakk. The whole adapting to any threat angle doesn't work because of his obvious limitations. SCP-3812 supersedes anything that supersedes him fictionally. He goes infinitely above the narrative stacks. And you're saying that he can't go beyond a fictional piece of paper and a metaphorical idea of a canvas because....? Because it has significance within the fiction of DC?

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SCP 3812 needs to perceive the narrative to warp it. CAS is designed to instantly adapt to counter any future threat. Meaning the moment SCP even perceives CAS, CAS has already countered him.

Infinite transcendence < infinite instant adaption.

The victor is clear.

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The CAS cult never cease to amuse me.

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CAS's adaptation isnt instant, proven by his fight with Mandrakk.

>CAS Stomps. I'll trust the scans and not your interpretation statement here that is absent a single scan to back up what you claim.

If you actually believe this you just dont know who CAS is fighting. Or you didnt read the prompt.

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#21  Edited By SleepyGypsy

Absolutely correct. He demonstrated infinite adapting powers to a Meta Concept that was designed to infiltrate and assess an entire creation made by superbeings like Perpetua and Yahwe.

Only someone interested in voting for favorites would say 3812 > Yahwe or Perpetua. CAS stood above them.

@xearesay said:

SCP 3812 needs to perceive the narrative to warp it. CAS is designed to instantly adapt to counter any future threat. Meaning the moment SCP even perceives CAS, CAS has already countered him.

Infinite transcendence < infinite instant adaption.

The victor is clear.

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@sleepygypsy:

>Only a fool would say 3812 > Yahwe or Perpetua.

Surprise, someone didnt read the prompt.

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#23  Edited By DamnINeedABreak

im suprised on how CAS is getting wanked to death his powerful by logic but by feat his not impressive but CAS still wins either way

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#24  Edited By SleepyGypsy

I agree with this. His feats aren't plentiful, he only appeared in one issue. Much like Yahwe, he has few direct feats, but indirectly and through other characters, we know exactly how powerful he is.

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im suprised on how CAS is getting wanked to death his powerful by logic but by feat his not impressive but CAS still wins either way

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#25  Edited By xearesay

@coolguy18: Sharing a common interest/understanding of a verse and hierarchy of fictional characters is not a cult. That's called a community. Stop using words you don't understand the meaning of.

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#26  Edited By Enigma22

@xearesay said:

SCP 3812 needs to perceive the narrative to warp it. CAS is designed to instantly adapt to counter any future threat. Meaning the moment SCP even perceives CAS, CAS has already countered him.

Infinite transcendence < infinite instant adaption.

The victor is clear.

Yeah that doesn't work like at all. Read my previous post. The Thought Robot has a limit. He has shown weaknesses. He has taken damage, he struggled and he clearly can't go beyond the Overvoid. That's a hard limit. He stops there. SCP-3812 hasn't shown such limitations as of yet. He's beyond conflict and threats in that fictional setting. Who knows how far up he is in the narrative stack.

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>CAS Stomps.

Show me actually why the Thought Robot would win in this fight. Showing Captain Allen holding a comicbook inside a DC comicbook really proves my previous point here. What excactly does CAS have, which he can use to fight SCP-3812? The counter any threat ability has already been debunked because CAS has limitations. You know he has, so stop using that as an argument. He doesn't have any influence outside of the DC narrative.

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#27  Edited By SleepyGypsy

@enigma22 said:
@xearesay said:

SCP 3812 needs to perceive the narrative to warp it. CAS is designed to instantly adapt to counter any future threat. Meaning the moment SCP even perceives CAS, CAS has already countered him.

Infinite transcendence < infinite instant adaption.

The victor is clear.

Yeah that doesn't work like at all. Read my previous post. The Thought Robot has a limit. He has shown weaknesses.

Yea that doesn't work at all, not proving this in the slightest.

He has taken damage, he struggled and he clearly can't go beyond the Overvoid.

What a load of nonsense, Nil is in the Overvoid and nothing is past the Overvoid.

That's a hard limit. He stops there. SCP-3812 hasn't shown such limitations as of yet. He's beyond conflict and threats in that fictional setting. Who knows how far up he is in the narrative stack.

He's beyond conflict? Oh wow, tell me more mate.

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>CAS Stomps.

Show me actually why the Thought Robot would win in this fight. Showing Captain Allen holding a comicbook inside a DC comicbook really proves my previous point here.

It proves you never read 3812's story, who four times confirmed his higher dimension only views lower dimensions as fictions, not that it actually is. Four times. Four. In the span of just one small narrative and that is proof you didn't read it. I showed you Allen and Mxy doing the exact same thing.

What excactly does CAS have, which he can use to fight SCP-3812? The counter any threat ability has already been debunked because CAS has limitations. You know he has, so stop using that as an argument.

- Existing past existence itself, being able to fight a thing that can fight things that haven't been written yet, ignoring retcon of the fiction, fighting and beating the authors dad, existing beyond Yahwe level entities and creators, being every single concept that is and is not.

Your turn.

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#28  Edited By Deagonx

@sleepygypsy:

>Nil is in the Overvoid and nothing is past the Overvoid.

Nil is not in the Overvoid anymore, its in the source wall. And nothing is past Overvoid in DC only.

3812 transcends Overvoid, and then transcends whatever is above that, etc.

Also, 2-4 pathologically dedicated wankers is not a community. Don't use words you don't understand.

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#29  Edited By SleepyGypsy

Feats from FC cosmology written at the time... Nil is part of the Final Crisis story and was featured in it in Superman Beyond Issues 1 and 2.

3812's narrative said 4 times that his higher dimensional state only views lower dimensions as fictions, not that it actually is. He is on par with Captain Allen in feats.

Meta Concepts and beings who literally hold the future unwritten canons of the DCU and battle the authors avatar's father > beings who are infinite-dimensional. Beyonder is infinite-dimensional and he gets his ass handed to him by Lucifer.

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>3812's narrative said 4 times that his higher dimensional state only views lower dimensions as fictions, not that it actually is. He is on par with Captain Allen in feats

Captain Allen was only able to do that to one layer. 3812 would do that to Overvoid.

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Overvoid contains all fictions, SCP included. T_T'ing

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@sleepygypsy:

>Overvoid contains all fictions, SCP included

3812 transcends SCP anyways lol. Even if we accepted that statement at face value, 3812 would still win. It doesnt affect this fight in any way.

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>Existing past existence itself, being able to fight a thing that can fight things that haven't been written yet, ignoring retcon of the fiction, fighting and beating the authors dad, existing beyond Yahwe level entities and creators, being every single concept that is and is not.

You really try your best on this one but i'm sorry it's still all in the DC COMICS universe. It's fiction in the DC UNIVERSE. You try to make it sound all grand but it's not. No matter how many infinities upon infinities you try to throw at me. It's still contained within DC Comics. Am i right, or am i wrong? Even you cannot state that CAS has any influence outside of the DC NARRATIVE. Don't try to argue that a fictional character on a piece of paper has any sort of real life influence. It really sounds like you're going that way.

Here's how the fight will go. SCP-3812 suddenly gets dropped in DC and CAS becomes aware of it and tries to do his little i can counter anything trick. Too bad for him as a self-defence measure he transcends the entire narrative. Going beyond the Primal Monitor. Can CAS do that? No! So you don't have any further means to debate this. He's gone up the narrative stack to whoever the fictional version of Grant Morrison would be, and then he goes beyond that one and beyond that one.

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#34  Edited By SleepyGypsy

CAS stomps. He transcended the narrative from the beginning and 3812 never did. Said it four times he only viewed it as a fiction, not that it actually was. 3812 has no feats of messing with Platonic Concepts in the slightest and CAS reigns over Platonic Concepts as a Meta Concept. More empty statements without a single scan or statement as evidence, more Nuh Uhh argument and my opinions are facts cuz' I say so, while I posted all the scans relevant from SCP 3812's narrative entry.

Four times it said it. You are aching for a win, but you won't receive one.

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@sleepygypsy:

>Said it four times he only viewed it as a fiction, not that it actually was.

So he transcends and views Overvoid as fiction. Boom, he wins.

>You are aching for a win, but you won't receive one.

Well considering I've already won twice this week, I think I'm good. But I could go for a third

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Said four times he never transcended the narrative and that he only views lower dimensions as a fiction, the same way Mxy and Allen do. Boom, he loses.

Lmao, telling yourself you won...after I call you out for dodging like 50 topics in a row. CAS stomps, he transcended the narrative from the start. 3812 is tough, but he is basically another Beyonder.

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>the same way Mxy and Allen do

Lol. 3812 would view Mxy and Allen as fiction.

>.after I call you out for dodging like 50 topics in a row.

Except I never dodged any of them, addressed each topic you claim I "dodged" directly with evidence, and all you had was a desparate claim that Grant was wrong in his interview lol.

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"Nuh uhhh, 3812 wins cuz I like him more! Who needs evidence, all my Crisis buddies on Discord agree!"

CAS unmakes 3812. Higher-dimensional entity? lol, that's literal fodder to Perpetua even who made all the infinite layers.

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@sleepygypsy:

You've shown me a fan video of SCP-3812's entry. Read the actual entry and the Pataphysics department one. The SCP-Foundation is an infinite D-construct. djkaktus is the writer of SCP-3812. His avatar "Ben" is part of SCP-001 (S Andrew Swann's Proposal) which sees the entire SCP-Foundation, which is an infinite dimensional construct as fiction, as a narrative. That's the first narrative stack. In the Pataphysics department it's referred to the writers as above the narrative stack. Above their entire fictional construct. Not the dimensional stack.

So i have no idea what kinda nonesense you try to come up with. But it won't matter at all. You refuse to come up with feats that show CAS having any influence outside of the DC Narrative? Show me that.

All what you are doing to me is giving me a description of CAS. Like that's enough. Yeah i know who he is. Once again throw all your he's above meta/platonic concepts/retcon/authors bs at me. But you still cannot prove that he has any iota of influence outside of the DC Universe.

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>CAS unmakes 3812.

Lol, 3812 transcends Overvoid. Direct from God himself.

>Nuh uhhh, 3812 wins cuz I like him more! Who needs evidence, all my Crisis buddies on Discord agree!"

Imagine being such a pathetic baby that you roleplay people youre debating with like a creep.

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@sleepygypsy:

You've shown me a fan video of SCP-3812's entry. \

The video details the text perfectly. You are saying otherwise because you know hardly anyone will watch it and cross reference with the text version.

Read the actual entry and the Pataphysics department one.

Lmao, Petaphysics, made by Perpetua.

The SCP-Foundation is an infinite D-construct.

Perpetua made infinite-D cosmology in the DCU, owned by Nil Monitors

djkaktus is the writer of SCP-3812. His avatar "Ben" is part of SCP-001 (S Andrew Swann's Proposal) which sees the entire SCP-Foundation, which is an infinite dimensional construct as fiction, as a narrative.

You are trying to educate me on this as if I don't know it, yet I am the one who mentioned Ben first here.

That's the first narrative stack. In the Pataphysics department it's referred to the writers as above the narrative stack. Above their entire fictional construct. Not the dimensional stack.

Cool. So he inferior feats to Mxyzptlk then.

So i have no idea what kinda nonesense you try to come up with. But it won't matter at all. You refuse to come up with feats that show CAS having any influence outside of the DC Narrative? Show me that.

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All what you are doing to me is giving me a description of CAS. Like that's enough. Yeah i know who he is. Once again throw all your he's above meta/platonic concepts/retcon/authors bs at me. But you still cannot prove that he has any iota of influence outside of the DC Universe.

Its fine if you want to ignore the author, the guidebook and Multiversity saying so. You have every right to ignore all of this and impart your favoritism.

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@sleepygypsy:

>Its fine if you want to ignore the author, the guidebook and Multiversity saying so.

And yet you ignore the author of SCP-3812 saying he supersedes anything that would supersede him.

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"Lol, 3812 transcends Overvoid. Direct from God himself. "

Perpetua made God in the DCU including all the Spheres around Yahwe. She and Batman who laughs just ate The Spectre and stomped The Phantom stranger in Hell Arises.

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"Imagine being such a pathetic baby that you roleplay people youre debating with like a creep."

Imagine needing to tell yourself that you won, when almost nobody but the same 5 others in your Discord agree with you.

CAS stomps. He started out transcending the Narrative and 3812 did not. One of them is higher dimension beyond made of physics and dimensionality. The other is a Meta Concept that has a little brother who ate Yahwe and his two most powerful servants.

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#44  Edited By Deagonx

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>Perpetua made God in the DCU including all the Spheres around Yahwe.

Neat. 3812 transcends her infinitely.

>Imagine needing to tell yourself that you won

Yeah. Imagine that.

>CAS stomps.

He cant stomp someone that transcends him infinitely lol.

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Mmm yum tears tell me more

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Tear are so yummy, mmmm T_T

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As you post a scan that proves my point lmao.

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Lol you know someone's ego is damaged when they had to type "I won twice this week." LOL.

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@xearesay said:

Lol you know someone's ego is damaged when they had to type "I won twice this week." LOL.

But you just typed it... LOL

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#49  Edited By COOLGUY18

@xearesay:

Sharing a common interest/understanding of a verse and hierarchy of fictional characters is not a cult. That's called a community.

- Naaah,sharing common illogical, retarded and ridiculous views of heirachy and characters of a verse, and spreads it around battleboards like it's the word of God IS A CULT. You have some guts calling your cult a community. Oh, as if it really matters since your "community" is a meme and laughingstock here in the vine that nobody takes seriously lmao

-Stop using words you don't understand the meaning of.

That's why i called your retarted comminity a "cult" because i understand it too much and because it perfectly fits your "community"

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#50  Edited By Enigma22

@sleepygypsy:

>Petaphysics, made by Perpetua. Perpetua made infinite-D cosmology in the DCU, owned by Nil Monitors. inferior feats to Mxyzptlk then.

Once again, all DC characters contained within the narrative of DC Comics. You are giving me descriptions about characters and not really much more.

>Its fine if you want to ignore the author, the guidebook and Multiversity saying so. You have every right to ignore all of this and impart your favoritism.

What have they to do with SCP-3812? Why should i care that Grant Morrison wrote about CAS being super-duper strong in the DC Narrative? Because you suddenly throw pataphysics and platonic concepts at me or something. Like it suddenly changes everything? Yeah i know about CAS already. He's strong, he's cool, he's an interesting character.....contained in DC Comics and it's narrative. SCP-3812 by design transcends the narrative. I could even become quite lenient in saying that DC has like 4-5 narrative stacks within. It still wouldn't matter.

BTW i don't know what all this Discord stuff is about.