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Poll Thought Robot runs the Endless gauntlet (65 votes)

Stops at Dream 62%
Stops at Destiny 3%
Stops at Death 5%
Thought Robot clears 31%
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Round 1 : Dream of the Endless

Round 2 : Destiny of the Endless

Round 3 : Death of the Endless

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Why do these mismatches man? Thought Robot stomps the Endless. Put all of them in the same round and it wouldn't change a thing.

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What are these mismatches? TR stops at 1, gets steamrolled by Destiny and Death won't even notice him. This bait is obvious.

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What are these mismatches? TR stops at 1, gets steamrolled by Destiny and Death won't even notice him. This bait is obvious.

Thought Robot > Presence = Perpetua > Lucifer and Michael> Endless

Do you agree with my ranking or not?

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Stops at 1 for obvious reasons.

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Clears because official source > Comicvine bullshit.

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Endless are just one aspect of a larger universal force in DC.

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CAS. Nobody is listening to the Final Crisis Support Group anymore except those who are squatting the building and refusing to leave after their eviction notice was given.

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What are these mismatches? TR stops at 1, gets steamrolled by Destiny and Death won't even notice him. This bait is obvious.

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@soratoumiga said:

What are these mismatches? TR stops at 1, gets steamrolled by Destiny and Death won't even notice him. This bait is obvious.

Why ?

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If using composite stops at 1 if not its debatable that he gets past dream but diffinately loses to death who is the death of all things including concepts which include thought

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If using composite stops at 1 if not its debatable that he gets past dream but diffinately loses to death who is the death of all things including concepts which include thought

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#15  Edited By Rijehu

This is misleading and purposely misinterpreted.

First of all, this entire source is referencing 1990, 3 decades ago and has nothing to do with cosmology, past nor current. It is quite literally referencing the fact that writers who utilized DoTE in DC comics, assumed that she was just another aspect of the concept of Death, (like The Black Racer, or Nekron etc...) and Gaiman corrected them by affirming that DoTE ins't an embodiment or aspect of death, but she IS Death personified.

Matter of fact, in every bio of the Endless, it is explicitly stated that the Endless are not mere representations of the concepts, but THEY ARE the concepts. There is no "higher forces" than the actual forces themselves. Death of The Endless herself is present in not only all DC/Vertigo canons, but also other franchises like Marvel. There is no higher version of herself, as she is it. In Books of Magic, we see that eventually claims all of DC actuality.

But for the sake of not arguing, please link me to:

A) The actual statement by any DC writers of current Morrison cosmology who specifically says that there is a higher Universal force of which the Endless are only aspects of, within DC.

B) The actual Universal force being referenced.

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Clears because official source > Comicvine bullshit.

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What are these mismatches? TR stops at 1, gets steamrolled by Destiny and Death won't even notice him. This bait is obvious.

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@supkent: @soratoumiga:

What are your arguments for refuting what MichaelJulius said about monitors?

It is all well and good to say that Thought stops at Dream. But when a guy goes to great lengths with highly argued texts to prove that Thought Robot is superior, he might want to listen to it, right?

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@zgtfreak: Lol good try.

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Look at Dream powerless to stop the actions of the realm of a COIE Monitor lol. Also even if the guy on the top was Destiny, he is never mentioned in The Multiversity, Convergence, Justice League or Dark Knights Metal and DC already confirmed the Endless (or at the very least Death) are just parts of concepts highter than themselves.

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@yamiyodare: No, I am not interested in debating someone who thinks TR felt him in his sleep.

On the other hand, lol at the lies posted above.

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Stops at one. Morpheus claps him away.

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1 if he is what contains the multiverse dream has already rewrote destinys book which also does the same dream has created his own creation an of course has the power to destroy creation

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#23  Edited By zgtfreak

@sagathelegend: Except Destiny has books/fictions with the Endless in it beneath the real ones. The most used map cites the Endless as being above the Monitors.

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#24  Edited By El_mago

Not again a thread of this kind,thought bot absolutely clears how and when? will you guys understand that DC follows morrison s cosmology a fact that have not only been confirmed by the COMPANY publisher itself but also different authors who follows this type of meta to make histories

utter spite thread.

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Stops at round 1.

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Why do you repead what was already debunked?

CAS murderstomps because official source > Comicvine bullshit.

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Thought Robot is an aspect from the Overvoid itself. Lol how the hell are anyone of the Endless going to beat an embodiment of the Monitor Mind itself? TR bops them all over the head.

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3 or Clears

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Dream blinks this fodder.

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#31  Edited By MichaelJulius

I asked the illustrator if that was true and he said no, it wasn't. These authors and editors don't think like us debaters and aren't out to prove who the strongest is. They just make fun content and it was entirely metaphorical that Destiny was shown at the top, because he is the icon of recording data. It worries me that even with this, the amount of trolling still exists and is not being immediately shut down by others.

Mr. Hughes said this on Twitter

He had 3 references to the Monitors > The Presence on the Cosmic Map. One is Elohim, found in Skyland with all the other Pantheon Peaks. Elohim appears as a Voice in the Silver City, but his home base is in Skyland. Further, we have the Monitor ships scrubbing fatally contaminated Continua from existing. That is not a physics or universe reference, Continua is a reference to the Biblical God and his Creation.

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We saw who was fatally contaminated and scrubbed out of the continua

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Elohim and the Word of the Voice = Yahwe The Presence

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This Endless bs> Monitor nonsense should be flagged for massive spite in favor of CAS. The CAS was so absurd that Monitor Mind could not defend against it and still got infected by it, and its infinite intelligence could not explain the Cosmic Armor. All the Endless get one shot by the CAS where the downplayers wish to deny it, or not.

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@sagathelegend: Except Destiny has books/fictions with the Endless in it beneath the real ones. The most used map cites the Endless as being above the Monitors.

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This mismatch just came back??? Why???? All the endless accidentally blinks not even being there.

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I asked the illustrator if that was true and he said no, it wasn't. These authors and editors don't think like us debaters and aren't out to prove who the strongest is. They just make fun content and it was entirely metaphorical that Destiny was shown at the top, because he is the icon of recording data. It worries me that even with this, the amount of trolling still exists and is not being immediately shut down by others.

Mr. Hughes said this on Twitter

He had 3 references to the Monitors > The Presence on the Cosmic Map. One is Elohim, found in Skyland with all the other Pantheon Peaks. Elohim appears as a Voice in the Silver City, but his home base is in Skyland. Further, we have the Monitor ships scrubbing fatally contaminated Continua from existing. That is not a physics or universe reference, Continua is a reference to the Biblical God and his Creation.

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We saw who was fatally contaminated and scrubbed out of the continua

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Elohim and the Word of the Voice = Yahwe The Presence

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This Endless bs> Monitor nonsense should be flagged for massive spite in favor of CAS. The CAS was so absurd that Monitor Mind could not defend against it and still got infected by it, and its infinite intelligence could not explain the Cosmic Armor. All the Endless get one shot by the CAS where the downplayers wish to deny it, or not.

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@sagathelegend: Except Destiny has books/fictions with the Endless in it beneath the real ones. The most used map cites the Endless as being above the Monitors.

Can you teach me the ways of a monitor, oh wise great one?

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I feel awful for new and excited readers wanting more information.

"Omg, I love comics, I've never read them before, this stuff makes me so happy! Wish I started reading more years ago. Who are these characters, they are so interesting! I need to Google for more information. Oh, who is the DivineCreator and ZTGFreak guy and what are they saying here? Oh, there was some type of Cosmic Map Guidebook? And the illustrator never explained this on Twitter? Hmm, Ok, I guess they must be right.Why would they lie?"

"Oh man big bro, I want to read comics too, explain all this to me!"

"Ok lil' bro, you see, there are these these users on this website who claimed Endless are stronger than Monitors so that must be true. They said the Illustrator of this guidebook never explained this out to us, so they are absolutely telling us the truth."

"Oh wow, they are super smart and credible!"

"Yep!"

Me: -__-

What a sad thing to portray to other new readers who just got into comics and want more information on these characters they love now, as you break their excitement for the truth with nonsense like this.

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Endless stomps but Cas is op

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#37  Edited By MichaelJulius

Every now and then, I try to ask someone to defend themselves with some type of adult logic, but so far I've not encountered anyone who can. Would you be willing to try? What makes you think the endless would stomp the Cosmic Armor?

I realize you aren't serious about your statement here, because you didn't back it up, but, there is a small chance of some window into your viewpoint, so I'd like to try to see what that is.

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@sagathelegend: nah endless stomp

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#38  Edited By Deagonx

He had 3 references to the Monitors > The Presence on the Cosmic Map. One is Elohim, found in Skyland with all the other Pantheon Peaks. Elohim appears as a Voice in the Silver City, but his home base is in Skyland. Further, we have the Monitor ships scrubbing fatally contaminated Continua from existing. That is not a physics or universe reference, Continua is a reference to the Biblical God and his Creation.

Even though you've been thoroughly disabused of this notion, you persist in lying to comic book fans about easily debunked misconceptions. The Presence isn't listed anywhere on the map. The only Presence-related term on the map is the Word of the Voice which isn't actually the Presence himself, just one of his agents from back in the day. Even the Voice is just an aspect of the Presence.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Word_(New_Earth)

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And as explained to you multiple times, "the Elohim" is not a term for The Presence. The Elohim is the plural form of the word Eloah, and has only been used as a term for God in the Tanakh for the Jewish God. Real life does not dictate comics, and no DC comic has called the Presence "Elohim."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

At other times it refers to deities in the plural.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

the fatally contaminated continua, which means Creator.

Continua does not mean creator. Continua is a plural form of the word continuum. As in space-time continuum.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/continua

In other words, the Presence is never listed on the Multiverse Map, which makes sense since we know from DC canon that he's God of the Omniverse.

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We saw who was fatally contaminated and scrubbed out of the continua

Mandrakk never said he was responsible for wounding the dying god, and it does not refer to the Presence. Darkseid was dying throughout the comic, and you wouldn't use "the" for the Presence anyways, which means "the dying god" can't refer to him. Which is the same reason "the Elohim" doesn't mean God.

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Here is the actual wounded dying god, a couple of pages before Mandrakk references Darkseid, we're told he's wounded and dying.

"And on the way he wounded you, beyond repair, didn't he? A rotten carcass of a god, crawling into the sewer to die."

Read comics before arguing about them, MJ. You'll find them quite enlightening.

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Thought Robot stomps

anyone who says otherwise is moron

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#41  Edited By DucksAreNotHot

If we were to take Meta into account, CAS stomps

If we take Feats The Endless.

Honestly, the whole point of CAS is to being an unending protector, simply can't be beaten. So CAS clears probably.

Ps: Destiny should be last.

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I like how people say that CAS can't be beaten despite the fact that he was literally rendered broken and incapable of of functioning in his first and only fight.

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I like how people say that CAS can't be beaten despite the fact that he was literally rendered broken and incapable of of functioning in his first and only fight.

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Lol. Stop bringing logic into debates.

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@userthatisme: Referring to the time when Mandrakk hit him with the heat of a million suns?Yeah and goku is laser level.

CAS stomps

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Either its PIS or it's Mandrakk's blood that hurt him not sure of which one.

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Gets stopped at round one.

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Yep. The official Guidebook says so.

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Because the Silver City = the Presence

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And Mandrakk is the one who drilled right through him. And it was even touched on that something drilled through the Presence in Vertigo. Mandrakk is the one who drilled the Bleed holes through the Silver City that remained indefinitely all the way to right now in Death Metal. Every version of the Map shown in the comic still retained the Bleed holes all the way from pre-Final Crisis when Mandrakk made them, all the way to right now in Dec. 2020 with Death Metal.

Because Cain is back, leader of the vampires, which isn't supposed to happen if Yahwe is around

Because Rox Ogama, depowered, defeated the Presence and yoinked his Creation Orb

Because the Silver City is the Primum Mobile of Vertigo , the last possible place there is.

Both of these places, are literally above all the Endless in Vertigo, as the angels descend DOWNward to Destiny's Garden and The Dreaming below.

And because this location is 4-5 tiers below where CAS exists, even beyond Elohim and the Word of the Voice which is what Trigon and Phantom Stranger referred to Yahwe as.

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Because the Omnisceient book that is not sentient, that is 100% unbiased and has no reason to lie or exaggerate said the ultimate truth is that Mandrakk is the real God

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Because Mandrakk was the Overvoid's corrupted side and CAS still was able to 1v1 it.

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Because Grant Morrison said that Gaiman was upset that his concepts like Fate pre-dated the Endless and that the original concept, Fate, is even too scared to speak the name of Mandrakk aloud

Because the guide entry in the re-release of Final Crisis says Monitors > All the DC Gods

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Because Monitors can sketch and remove the meta DC guidebook 13 years before it is written. Can the Presence do that? Or the Endless? Can Dream of the Endless reach into the "real world" and remove the as yet unwritten official DC guidebook 13 years before the author wrote it? The weakest Monitor did.

This is Nix in 2008's Final Crisis Sketching the guide entries for a comic release that didn't actually show up until late 2019 in reality. We never saw those images for another 13 actual years.

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CAS > Endless. Because Grant's meta concepts are what upset Gaiman and the eldest, strongest of his concepts is mortified of Mandrakk.

Thusly, objectively debunked. But I am sure reinterpretation will come around as a counter, because those users cannot deal with facts that debunked them. So, they will try to rewrite it, explain it in a subjective way and somehow think that subjective rewrite is factual.

@michaeljulius: okay can you explain to me why cas wins?